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Senator Bernie Sanders Discusses Big Wins in Michigan Primaries

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump panicking over his collapse in Michigan and swing states across the country and Meiselas interviews Senator Bernie Sanders about the big wins in M...

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Heidi, gutes für alle. Donald Trump is panicking as the news gets even worse for him in Michigan. Donald Trump is collapsing in Michigan, where his approval right now stands at net-negative 25. Let me repeat that, his approval net-negative 25.

So here's what he just posted.

As we also are seeing the Democratic Party rallying around Abdul El Saiyad after his victory in the primaries, Donald Trump post great news for the Republican Party says, "Mr. net-negative 25. Al Saiyad, a communist loser who hates Jews and Israel, is the projected winner in his race with the socialist as usual, the polls were way off on this one, when, when, when,

when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, divide divide, and then the winer and thief posts, my real polling numbers, not those made up by the fake news media, are the best they've ever been. And then he posts, manufacturing is booming, factory activity has hit the fastest pace in more than four years.

He says that everything that we're doing is a massive success. He says right now, he says, "This is the golden age of America and we're just getting started. We're already achieving heights that nobody thought possible, and the biggest victories are still ahead."

You consider this a victory, well, tell me about the bigger victories that are ahead,

as things are less affordable, as Trump is in never-ending wars with Netanyahu, as Trump

has run our economy into the ground, while he winds and winds and winds, and then he posts Wayne County Detroit and Michigan. It's so corrupt, it's one of the most corrupt voting areas, if not in the world, it's strictly

third world, I mean, have you ever met a bigger whiner?

Let's not talk about this political party, the guys just a loser. He's a whiny loser, stop it, just actually help the people, actually help the American people who are suffering right now, as you rip away their healthcare, as you make it unaffordable to rent or buy a home, as you destroy people's lives and you want to now put data centers in everybody's backyard.

Do you say it? You say we want data centers in everybody's backyard. I want to bring in Senator Bernie Sanders right now, and Bernie Sanders, of course, having a huge day in Michigan. Let's bring in Senator Bernie Sanders, I just spoke with him moments ago.

I'm thrilled to have Senator Bernie Sanders joining us here on the Midas Touch Network, Senator Sanders. Great to see a big day in Michigan, not just the victory about dual-else side, but also numerous other candidates, you endorsed winning, talk to us about what a big deal this is with looking at your act.

You're absolutely right, this was a big, big deal, politically.

And I think we're kind of looking at a massive transformation of politics in America when

happening in Michigan is part of it. We have people like Will Lawrence, running and lancing, taking on two establishment candidates, talking about AI and talking about data centers, talking about Medicare for all. And he wins a pretty substantial victory. It's going to be a tight race for Congress for him against the Republican.

I think he stands a very good chance to win. And then in Detroit, we have Donovan McKinney, who took on an incumbent member of Congress and beat him, and then needless to say, Abdul El Said, one, what I think is one of the more extraordinary victories in modern American history. And let me tell you why, he not only took on the Democratic establishment in his own state

of Michigan, not only took on the Democratic establishment here in Washington, DC, but incredibly he took on something like $70 million of outside funding, much of which came from APAC.

To be very honest with you, I have never heard a candidate win against that kind of opposition.

It was really quite extraordinary. And he did it because he ran a billion campaign. I liked Mombani in New York. He put thousands and thousands of people out on the streets, knocking on doors, making

Phone calls, strong grassroots campaign.

He campaigned on the issues relevant to working families, understanding that health care is

a human rights voting, Medicare for all, understanding that we cannot continue to put billions of dollars into Netanyahu's extremist government, understanding that we've got to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, deal with climate change, and so forth. And so on, you're in a great campaign and I applaud him and his, the volunteers that he assembled from the bottom of my heart.

One of the things that you and AOC and others did on the fight the oligarchy tour is you emphasize the importance of listening. In fact, during the fight the oligarchy tour, you would listen to what the people were saying. I'm going to stop speaking.

Tell me what you're going through.

I think that's what Abdul El Sayed and these candidates you endorsed did a very good job

at, I note that when I was listening to what the people of Michigan were saying, despite

the media trying to put labels on them. So you normally consider yourself a moderate, or you consider yourself a center this, or that the people were like, like, I don't know what you're talking about, like, I want someone who fights for me. That's what I'm like.

Absolutely. People's fight for me. Exactly right. And look, his credit, and his staff's credit, they did something like 500 public meetings. 500.

That's insane. And I suspect that you've just indicated that all of these meetings, he didn't just give speeches. I suspect that in most of me the questions answered questions made, you know, dialogue with his constituents.

But I think the point you're making is exactly right.

You know, labels all over the place, you're left, you're right, you're a center, whatever it is. You know what? Scroll through the issues. Anybody in America thinks that our current health care system is working, nobody does.

It is a disaster, it is widely expensive. Do you think that healthcare is a human right available to all people? Yeah, we do. Should we pass Medicare for all? Yeah, we should.

That's how it does position. Do you think at a time of massive income and wealth inequality when Mr. Musk himself owns more wealth than the bottom half of the American households, you think we might want to demand that the billionaires thought paying their fair share of taxes? Yeah, I do.

Let's make them pay their fair share of taxes. So we could use that money to have universal childcare, build the millions of units of affordable housing that we need. You go out and I've dualed it this every day. Do you think it makes sense to spend billions on endless wars or put money into net

knowledge that stream is coming? No, let's invest in America. Do you think that we should have real campaign finance reform? So billionaires should not buy elections, yeah, we do. So no, as your point is right, doesn't matter whether you're a conservative progressive

moderate people understand that the economy is broken, it's rigged, it benefits the rich, they understand that we have a corrupt campaign finance system.

That's what Abdul talked about, that's why he won.

And here you have all of these maga radical extremist. Try to label people like Abdul or you or AOC and others. We're fighting for those issues that you just talked about, they and their trillion dollar media machine tries to say that's radical. I would say the most radical extreme nihilistic and die American movement that exists.

And me is what I'm seeing right now with 1600 Pennsylvania, where when I see outside the junkyard that that's become with whatever the hell he's doing, the isbest this filled junkyard, that to me feels symbolic of what his regime is radical, extreme and broken. Absolutely. And I think it'll look, it's hogs, you know, when you're in the middle of a political

revolution, it's hard to get a sense of what's happening on a day-to-day basis. But I think a few things are happening as you've indicated. I think more and more people, including some of his support, is understand that this guy in the White House, President Trump, is an authoritarian who does not believe in the Constitution or the rule of law.

And you've got a lot of Republicans, they serve in the military, they swore an oath to defend the Constitution and this guy doesn't believe in the Constitution. You've got a president who is a narcissist. If he had his way, he'd probably name half the building as an America after himself.

You've got a president who is corrupt, the kleptocrat, who is now $2 billion richer than it

was before he was president. You've got a president who is trying to divide us up in very ugly ways based on where we came from or a religion or what it may be. And you've got a president who gave massive tax breaks to the top 1% to trillion dollars

Then through 15 million people off the health care they have.

So people are seeing through that and is endless wars and the war in our run. But there's something else that people are seeing. And that is that from the perspective of the Democratic Party, it is not good enough just to be anti-Trump.

And a lot of Democrats, they're very perceptive there, right on mock, they're critical of Trump

for all the right reasons I agree with them. But if you are now working 50 hours a week and you can't afford to take care of your family, being anti-Trump is not enough, you are saying to me, hey, you guys are washing them. What are you going to do to improve my life?

That's a fair question. What are you going to do to make sure that my kids do not have a lower standard of living

than I do for the first time in the history of the United States?

What are you going to do to make sure that my kid is able to read and it's not addicted to screens or that AI and robotics don't overwhelm the whole country with massive job loss and evasions of privacy?

What are you going to do about all of that stuff?

So the division in the Democratic Party is not, you know, everybody is against Trump for all the right reasons, there's unity in that. But there is a difference as to how we best go forward from a policy point of view and a political point of view. When you were on the fight the oligarch, you were listening, one of the things people

often express their fears about AI, their fears about data centers and we're seeing, especially on a bipartisan basis, communities, uniting, whether it's in Oklahoma or whatever, you know, saying don't just throw this data center in my backyard. What I find notable is that what Trump and Chris Wright, his energy secretary and others have really been pushing especially over the past few days is we want they call it liquid

gold, you know, just like there's their cons, they're all their scams.

We want that liquid gold data center in your backyard, that's what we're going to do.

And if you want to be rich, that's what Trump and they say, you need to have a data

center in your backyard and you could be rich like us. Don't you want to be rich like that? That's what they're saying. I know, you're raising a couple of very profound issues. Number one, they may be telling the American people, that's what they need, but the American

people aren't buying it and all over the country, hundreds and hundreds of communities are saying thank you, no thanks, we're going to have a more term, we don't want you a data center. And it has a lot to do, you know, with increased electric rates that people fear, the impact that will have on water, noise, general agoliness and environmental impact that

a large data center has. That's one reason, but there is something else, I think, people are catching on that AI and robotics, being pushed by the wealthiest people in our country and in fact the world. I mean, people like Musk, Bezos, Ellison, Zuckerberg, these are the richest guys in

the country. And does anybody really believe you tell me that these guys are staying up nights worrying about the needs of working families? What are they doing? Why are they pushing this?

Really to improve lives? I don't think so. Nobody thinks so. They're pushing this, it's been a huge amount of money in order to become even richer and more powerful.

People sense that. And then they're asking really important questions. What will AI and robotics do to our economy? How many millions of jobs are going to be lost?

If I lose my job and I'm 40, 50 years of age, what happens to me?

Is there going to be another job available for me? If I graduate college, am I going to have an entry-level job, if I am a truck driver, and I'm seeing all of these driverless vehicles all over the country, and when am I going to lose my job, I'm going to be one of millions of lose their jobs in transportation. Parents are worried about the impact on the mental health of their kids.

There is evidence out there that met up in these other big tech companies developed mechanisms to predict children to screens, predict them to screens, and then advertise, take their information from them, and advertise and make money off of them. People are worried about what AI will mean to our privacy rights. They're going to know everything every phone call you made, every email you sent, every message

you sent, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, every office visit you made. When we prepared to deal with this, and what people are saying, not when I'm even close, there are no God-reels, you know, musk in his friends are running rush out of the American

People, and we are completely unprotected.

So I think that is another reason, on top of the environmental reasons that people are

concerned about AI and robotics.

You know, when you see this Trump regime running the United States like a Ponzi scheme,

and as all the attributes of it from reconciliation, one, two, and three, which reminds me of the Ponzi schemes I used to litigate against, with special purpose vehicle, one, two, and three, that would rob Peter to pay Paul. So they're doing that with our money, and they're running up the debt. But then what they do in the Ponzi schemes is they say, look, you're going to be so rich,

everything's amazing. Look how rich you are.

So Trump says, we brought in $19.1 trillion, which is a massive number, and it's massively

alive, every aspect of it. We didn't bring a $19.1 trillion yet he repeats that over and over and over again, while our debt continues to balloon, and it just kind of isn't talked about. It's like you're making up a $19 trillion made up. It's all false.

All right, one of, look, and this is what demagogues do. It's called the big lie, and you repeat it over and over again, and with the nature of the internet, right now, and bots, and everything else, you're going to have a lot of people repeating that lie. We all know that Trump won the 2020 election that was stolen from them.

Well, you say that over 5,000 times, and people begin to believe it. But Trump is, and I believe this, a pathological lie, I doubt very much, that he knows the difference between a lie and the truth.

He just says whatever comes into its head, but that's a very, that's what demagogues do,

and that is a very, very dangerous thing for a society when you have a leader who just makes stuff up. Talk about Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan, got big races coming up there. What should people be focused on next as we look into that primary? Well, not quite as much as Michigan, but to a very significant degree, the billionaires,

and their super PACs are putting a lot of money into Minnesota. And Peggy is going to be very significantly outspend. I am told that the airway is just full of ads for Angie Craig or against Peggy. Not a mind there is that Peggy is a strong progressive who is going to fight for a Medicare for all.

Fight to raise the minimal wage to a living wage. There's not one that us to be spending money on the extremist government in Israel wants us to end this war that we're in as quickly as possible.

It's progressive taxation and a billion-at-tax, so she's saying all of the right things,

running a really strong campaign, which is why, of course, the oligarchs are trying to defeat her. But I will do everything I have worked in there a couple of times with her, and I hope very much she becomes the next U.S. Senator from Minnesota. You know, Trump's big boogie man now for this upcoming midterms to divide is the communists

are coming, the communists are coming, and then he says, right now bigger threat than the Nazis than Altaira than World War II. And then he says something interesting too, I see it all of his speeches. He goes, "I would make the greatest communists," he said, "Like Lenin," he says, and he said, "Like Lenin," he says, "He goes," and I was like, "Well, let it be."

That means he said, "I thought it was Lenin," he says, "Linin," and then he says, "Here's why." He said, "I would just promise everybody everything. I'd promise I'd do this, I'd promise I'd do that."

And then I would not deliver on those promises, and then he goes, "That's what happens."

And I'm thinking to myself, you literally describing yourself, and like, because what looks closer to Stalin and anything than what we've got right now? You know, that's an interesting point that you make. I mean, Trump makes these everyday, there's another promise, another statement about all these things that are going to happen, and I have happened, nobody believes them.

And the irony, of course, is, you know, the proper criticism of communism is Soviet Union was a authoritarian society, absolutely, and Stalin killed millions of millions of people in his camps and his ghoulogs and so forth, and then you got the most authoritarian president

In the history of this country, who was going after his political opponents a...

criminal charges, who was tacking the media because they had the nerve to be critical

of him, who's going after colleges and universities because they teach courses that he doesn't like, and you know, so I suppose when he says, "You know, I have a big, great communist,

yeah, I think there's some, there's truth to that," we're seeing, and the other thing about him,

of course, is Stalin created the cult of the individual, and that nobody in the communist body and the Soviet Union could stand up to Stalin for good reason, they get killed. Now, Trump doesn't kill them, but you stand up to Trump, the next day they're going to be threatening to put Zillions of dollars into a primary race against you.

So he has created, and I think that's really sad, because she got a lot of smart Republicans

who are not authoritarian, but they are scared to death of them. And he has created the cult of the individual within the Republican body, so it is interesting about what he has to say about communism. Senate Sanders, we appreciate your time before we go anything else you want to say to our

seven million subscribers.

All right, I would just say that do not underestimate what's happening politically in America

all over this country, just think about the last year, progresses are taken on establishment candidates. We won in Arizona, we won in New York City, we won in New York State, we won congressional races in New Jersey in Ohio in Pennsylvania, in Montana, in Colorado, and last night we won in Michigan. So there is a political revolution taking place right now.

They got the money, and they will always have more money than we do, but we have the people.

So my message is please get involved in every way that you can support progressive candidates and let's transform this country and make it the kind of nation that we know we can become. Thank you very much. Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you for joining us and everybody hits the screen. Before you go, our book WTF America is available for pre-order now. It's the story of how we got here and how we fight our way back. To pre-order, scan the QR code

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