"Hey, it's friend Mel, and welcome to The Mel Robbins podcast.
So I was just talking to our executive producer for this podcast,
“her name is Tracy, and she told me this story that I just had to share with you”
because I know you're gonna relate. So the other day, she wakes up, she is huge plan, she's excited for the day, but then what did she do? She reaches for her phone. Now, the reason she reached for the phone, it's a really good reason.
She said she's just trying to stay informed with all the news that's going on right now. Well, she's informed, all right, in bed, for an hour. But the result of that choice to reach for the phone really bad. See that one tiny choice to reach for the phone meant she wasted an entire hour in bed. And by the time she got out of bed, she was running late, and now she's cranky,
because she doesn't have time to eat, and she's exhausted, and she's freaking out, big plans are kind of the rail, because she didn't need to stay in bed that long, and just really stop and think about the power that one tiny choice. The power that it has to leave you stressed, late, cranky, behind.
“Well, that's what you and I are gonna talk about today.”
Four micro-choices that have a major impact on your life every day. These are four moments that you're probably missing, that have a surprisingly huge impact on how you feel, on your mood, on how your day turns out, on everything.
And here's the thing about these four choices.
They're right in front of you. And once you hear all the amazing research about why you need to make these four micro-choices, and take them seriously, you will never approach your day the same way again. [ Music ] Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast.
I am so excited that you're here with me. I'm excited about the conversation. It's always an honor to be together and to spend this time with you. And if you're a new listener, where you're here because somebody shared this episode with you, well, I just want to take a moment and personally welcome you to the Mel Robbins podcast family.
Today you and I are going to talk about four simple choices. I'm talking the smallest micro moments that make a surprisingly huge difference every single day in your life. And here's why I wanted to talk about this topic. So our executive producer is this phenomenal human being named Tracy. She is one of the smartest people I know.
We have been friends for nine years. That's how long we've worked together. Now she came into work the other day and she admitted to me that the other day she had all these big plans. And instead of just rolling out a bed and jumping into her day, she spent an hour in bed in her pajamas, reading the news on her phone.
And it ruined her day.
So it got me thinking, are there other critical tipping points in your day
“that either set you up to in or make you feel like you're losing?”
Are there other tiny little folks in the road that happen in every day that you live? These little micro moments that have a major impact on you and you don't even realize it. They're right in front of you. So I dug in and I pulled apart the day and I have found, yeah. In fact, there are four of them, four of these micro choices that you and I are faced with every single day.
They are so subtle yet the impact is so major. Because once I walk you through these four moments, holy cow, you're going to see how easy it is to feel better in your life starting today. And I love these so much because I think right now it feels, life can kind of feel like you're being yanked around as if you're holding a rope tied to a runaway horse. And it's incredible.
It's incredible when you notice that you do have a choice and that when you choose on purpose,
when you make a better choice that you feel more in control. So let's jump in and just unpack choice number one. The first micro choice happens as soon as you wake up before you even get out of it. And here's the choice. What do you reach for?
Just stop and think about that. You wake up your eyes open. Micro choice number one, you're not even thinking at this point, which is why you don't realize it's a choice. What do you reach for?
The first thing you reach for in the morning, it's either going to help you or it's going to hurt you. If that's just kind of picture how this plays out, okay?
I want you to imagine that you're lying there.
Your head is on the pillow.
“Your body, oh my gosh, I'll tangled up in the sheets.”
The alarm goes off. Your eyes are barely open. You can't even register what day it is on my gosh. You've got the sleep in your eyes. Is it Monday?
Is it Tuesday? Is it a work day? Before you even set up, you reach for something. And I'm no psychic,
but I bet I know what you reach for. You reach for your phone. You've got the phone by your bed or worse. The phone is already in bed with you. And so that's the first thing you reach for.
And what do you tell yourself? You tell yourself the same thing. Yeah, I'm just going to check this from it. I got to check on my kids. I'm just going to check this thing real quick.
And then you open up your favorite app and then you start scrolling. And by then it's too late. It's an avalanche. I had a line about something horrifying. And then another and then another and then a video you didn't ask to see.
And then a common section full of people screaming at one another. And then a meme that's trying to make a tragedy funny. And it's never funny. And somebody's hot take and somebody's rage posts and somebody's conspiracy nonsense. And within 30 seconds,
whether you know it or not that micro choice, made your nervous system. Just light right up. And I want to save this up front. I applaud you for wanting to be informed about the world.
That matters. But listen to me. You do not need to be informed in your pajamas. I have a rule about the news personally.
I never read the news in my pajamas unless it is a Sunday.
And I've already made breakfast and had a cup of coffee. And I have made a decision to lounge around in my pajamas. And it's after 11 a.m. If I want to choose to spend an hour reading the headlines. Then in my pajamas,
you're allowed Mel, but never do I read the news in my pajamas. First thing in the morning. See, reading the news for 15 minutes or an hour every day isn't the problem. It's the micro choice. To reach for the phone and do it in bed.
Before you've done anything else, main lining. It likes it's your coffee or your vodka. The first thing you'll reach for. I mean, that's a desk sentence for your brain.
Because the moment you reach for your phone, here's what your brain reaches for. More. More headlines. More drama.
More fear. More outreach. This is why it's hard for you to get out of bed. Because you're now hiding from the world that you're main lining, because you've reached for your phone.
More information that you can't do anything with at six o'clock in the morning, while you're curled up under your computer. More, more, more, more, more, more.
And it's never satisfied.
Just like that. First thing in the morning, you have lost control of your day. That's why I call these micro choices. These tipping points in your day.
It's like you opened up the front door of your house and invited the world into your bedroom to shout things at you.
“You should have gotten into the shower ten minutes ago.”
And now you don't have time to take one. And oh, you didn't have time to walk the dog. It's been staring at you patiently from the foot of the bed. And had you just gotten out of bed when you're supposed to get out of bed. You would have had time for breakfast.
We'll forget that now. And this is the common sense explanation. For how a micro choice can have major consequences. I want you to hear directly from a renowned expert on how choosing this micro choice to reach for the wrong thing.
First thing in the morning has a major unintended impact on your brain. His name is Dr. Alok Canoja. Now he's known a millions of fans online as Dr. Kay and the healthy gamer. But Dr. Kay is a Harvard train psychiatrist who teaches people exactly how to protect their motivation and focus in a world designed to steal it.
Now when he appeared on this podcast, Dr. Kay helped me understand something really important that I now want you to understand. He was one of the 57 experts, by the way, that I interviewed and I feature his work in the let them theory. And what you're about to hear, because I wanted you to hear from him about how this micro choice. What do you reach for first thing?
Has such a massive impact on your mental fuel? See, he's going to explain to you that when you wake up in the morning, you have a certain amount of mental fuel available to you that you need in order to motivate yourself. You need it in order to get through your day. That fuel Dr. Kay is going to explain is called dopamine.
It's part of your body's motivation and reward system that helps you do hard things. And it also helps you feel good when you follow through.
“That's why it's called the motivation or reward system.”
Makes you do hard things, helps you feel good when you do it.
Now here's what I never realized until I sat down with Dr. Kay.
If first thing in the morning, when your brain is full of all that amazing juicy mental fuel, that helps you do all the hard things and be motivated all day. If first thing, you make this micro choice to reach for something dumb and easy and cheap like your phone,
You are using up the fuel you need to get through the day on something stupid.
And you're not even out of bed. So here is the clip from our conversation on the podcast where he explains all of it. Check this out. What a lot of people don't realize is that you have a certain capacity for pleasure and behavioral reinforcement when you wake up in the morning. So our dopamine-ergic circuitry in the brain in this part called the nucleus acumbens.
Basically, this is what gives us a sense of pleasure and also reinforces our behavior.
So the problem with dopamine is we wake up in the morning and our dopamine-ergic stores are full. So what happens is we have a reserve of dopamine, so the way that this works is like I want you to think about this. Let's say I wake up first thing in the morning and then I work for four hours and then what is the subjective reward that I feel after four hours of work? It's really positive. Yeah.
Then if I use technology for four hours, it's kind of whatever. But if I use technology for the first four hours of the day and then I try to go and do work, you're not going to. And even if you finish the same amount of work, you will not experience the same level of pleasure because your dopamine has literally been depleted. Got it. So the way that I kind of describe this is imagine that you have a lemon that is full of juice.
Yep. So at the very beginning, when it's full of juice, a small squeeze gets you a lot of juice.
“But by the end, you have to squeeze a lot to get very little juice.”
This is how dopamine is in our brain.
So in other words, if you tap into technology and it invades your circuitry in your brain, it literally is like squeezing most of the juice out of the lemon first thing in the morning.
And then that means that it's also going to impact your ability to do the work or to focus or to feel joy and all those things that that Normally, if you did those things first, you'd feel a sense of reward and joy for. Yes. So technology is like a hard squeeze. So if we use it first thing in the morning, we squeeze the lemon really hard and we get all the juice out.
And then you have nothing left to feel good about because all of your dopamine stores have been depleted. I just love him. Don't you love Dr. Kay? And now I'm thinking about lemons. And that's a good thing because it's a great visual that I want you to take away from our conversation.
As you reach for your phone, I want you to imagine and almost feel that you're squeezing your brain. As you pull the phone close to you, I want you to feel the lemon squeeze. And tons of juice coming out as you start to go headline, headline, social media. Oh, I don't need to buy that, but I'm buying it. Oh, what is this person doing? I'm looking at the comments and I'm checking the locations.
And now I'm reading work emails and juice draining from your brain.
“That's why this micro-choice has such a major, major consequence.”
And I hope once you hear Dr. Kay put it that way, it will make sense to you that this micro-choice What do you reach for matters a lot?
Because Dr. Kay is telling you if your first micro-choice is reaching for your phone.
You just started the morning with hard squeeze, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, Dumping, dumping, dumping, dopamine, go, it's gone for the day. And that one micro-choice is why. The rest of the day feels like as much as you try as much as you're trying to ring out of yourself and squeeze out of your day and force yourself to focus and as much caffeine as you can possibly drink
and as much as you're doing your best you just can't pull the motivation. That's why you're flat. That's why you're irritable that damn micro-choice first thing in the morning and what you reach for and the fact that it was a hard squeeze on your dopamine. And once you realize, holy cow, that it's that first micro-choice of reaching for the phone
and reading, oh my god, that's draining the dopamine, you won't reach for it anymore. Because you'll realize it is a choice and you can make a different choice. You know, when I'm at home, I'm really good about what am I reaching for. But a couple weeks ago, I was staying somewhere else and I had my phone right next to the bed because that's where the charger was and the bathroom was down the hall
and I didn't want to put the phone in the bathroom and then have it go off and wake up the kids that were sleeping on the same hallway. So guess what happened? I reached for it and then guess what I did? I started scrolling on Instagram.
“And I'm almost embarrassed to tell you this, but you want to know what I did next?”
Can you guess? Hi, body sweat suit that I did not need. I mean, it's really cute on the model. It was like just plain kind of that gray sweat suit color, crop toti, long pants, pockets. Okay, click.
One stop shopping, here we go. I'm not even out of bed yet.
Have you ever noticed that the things that you buy in bed?
You never, ever need that miracle water bottle that somehow
gonna change your hydration and your whole life, the countertop gadget that only makes many waffles. You don't even need waffles.
“The posture character that makes you look like a folding chair and you know why all this matters?”
Because what you reach for doesn't just steal your dopamine or your focus or your time or your energy or your piece of mind, it steals your money. And if you don't choose to reach for your phone, what could you reach for? We just haven't figured that out. You've got this micro choice that has a major, major impact.
Positive or negative. If you don't reach for your phone, what could you reach for? Oh, my God, it's limitless. You can reach for your partner for a moment of connection. Simple, good morning.
You could reach for your pet. I mean, they've been standing there at the bed waiting for you. You could get up and reach for the curtains and let the light in. You could reach for your coat and step outside even if you're in your pajamas. You could reach for a glass of water.
You could reach for your gym bag, your tennis shoes. You know what I reached for this morning? My skiples. Hmm, my skiples. In fact, at 6.30 in the morning, this is what I was doing.
That's me.
With my skis on, and you put these things called skins underneath them that are basically like
Velcro, and then my husband and I height up the mountain, the local ski mountain. Got an hour hike in with her skis, and then you peel the Velcro skins off the bottoms. You stomp back into your skis, and then boom, you skied down. And you get to do it before the lift even open.
We've had a bunch of other experts come on and talk about dopamine. And they say, if you can reach for something that is kind of difficult, maybe for you, that's meditation. Maybe that's taking a walk. Maybe it's climbing a mountain like I did.
Maybe it's just getting to the gym. I mean, that's the hardest part of the workout. It's actually getting to the gym. When you use that first squeeze to do something that's kind of hard,
what's amazing is the fact that you use that dopamine to motivate you to do
something hard first thing in the morning, that actually makes you feel better all day long.
“The science is incredible. So choice number one, what do you reach for?”
If you change nothing else, please change that choice. Because that one micro choice, that one tiny moment makes a surprisingly huge difference. It sets you up to have a good day. A day you deserve to have, and that brings me to micro choice number two. And I'm going to tell you what that is after this short break.
Because I am choosing to shine a little light on our amazing sponsors because they bring you the Mel Robbins podcast for free. So take a listen and one of the things I want to remind you. These four micro choices are in everybody's life. So take a moment while you listen to our sponsors and share this episode in your family group chat. Share this with your friends, with your adult kids, share this with your partner.
Because as I go through each of these four choices, you are going to be blown away. That the ability to take control of your life to regain power in your day has been right in front of you and me all along. And don't go anywhere because when we come back, we're jumping right into micro choice. Number two, stay with me. Welcome back. It's your friend Mel Robbins. I'm so thrilled that you're here.
Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing this episode with people that you care about. I'm so excited to jump right into choice number two. We are talking about four micro choices that have a surprisingly huge impact. They make a major difference in your day. And when you see them, it empowers you to start making better choices.
First we've already done choice number one. What do you reach for? And micro choice number two. Good day or bad day. What are you going to have? Are you going to have a good day or are you going to have a bad day? It's really that simple because if you're not choosing one, you're choosing the other. The story you tell yourself becomes the day you have. And I want to start with what it means to make this micro choice to have a bad day.
Because I think it happens without even thinking about it. Nobody wakes up and is like, oh, you know what I'm going to do today. I'm going to terrible day. I think I'm going to screw up my life. Everything's going to go wrong. We don't consciously do that, but subconsciously, you're making a choice to believe it's going to be a bad day to brace for a bad day. And you don't even realize that you're doing it.
“And that's why you can get into a rut in your life where you just have a string of bad days or weeks or months.”
And you even understand why. So let's talk about how this happens. Okay.
I'm going to unpack the typical morning and how this micro choice of choosing...
And once I explain this from a common sense standpoint, I'm going to bring in some incredible research from a Stanford neuroscientist who studies the impact of mindset
“on your biology, your physiology, on basically every aspect of your life is going to blow your mind.”
So let's start though, it's just the typical morning. Like, you don't realize you're making a choice to have a bad day. Because, you know, you just wake up, you've reached for your phone because until this moment you didn't understand that that was a micro choice that is creating major problems. But you did it. It's okay. But now you're feeling it. Because you've mainline the news or you've looked at a hundred reels in bed, you're scrolling your life away on the phone. And then you finally look up and oh my god, wait, it's already eight o'clock.
Micro choice, major consequence. Now, here's where the day goes off the rails. Not because you're late, but because of what you choose to start telling yourself.
Oh my god, things are going to be terrible because I'm late. You jump out of bed and the first thought is I'm behind.
I waste so much time. Oh my god, that's so bad. And then you start beating yourself up. Now you're not just late, you're pissed off at yourself. Then you see the dog just sitting there waiting for some attention and you could hit with that stab a guilt. And the thought is, oh my god, I am the worst dog owner in the world. The dog deserves so much better than us. And now every thought is bad, bad, bad, bad, and just like that, you have convinced your brain.
“You're going to have a bad day. And now you're brain?”
Oh, it's like, okay, we're having a bad day. All right. I know what to do. Let me look for signs that things are going to be a bad day on the way to work. Yeah, traffic. And the thought is, oh, of course, of course there's traffic. And now you're gripping the wheel like you're in a fight. Then someone in the office is, hey, do you have a second?
Who? Body tightens. Your brain goes, no, no, no, I do not have a second. I'm drowning. I can't do this. Oh my god, now you're mad at me. And you say, sure, put inside your dying. That's the thing about this micro choice, bad. It's going to be a bad day. I'm bad for not getting it together. This micro choice isn't just one thought. It becomes another, another, another, and creates a filter.
A filter through which you see everything and everything feels harder. You drop something. Oh, there's proof. It's a bad day. You didn't get that thing done. Oh, there's proof. You're bad employee. Someone looks at you wrong or like, doesn't respond to something that you said in a meeting.
“Oh, there's proof. You're bad. You're stupid. Why do you say that?”
Your kidney is something for school that you forgot to buy. There's proof, bad parent. I'm the one parent. I can't get it together. And your brain is now stacking evidence.
Every tiny, small thing. More evidence. See, I knew it. I can't win. I'm never going to figure this out.
Oh, my god, that's a lot, isn't it? It becomes a setting in your brain. But here's the good news, because I'm about to bring in some incredible science. If it's a setting in your minds, because after all mindset is just settings in your mind. If you can set your mind to, it's going to be a bad day, and you're aware of the power of a micro choice, then doesn't it stand a reason that you could change the settings in your mind with a different micro choice?
A good micro choice that snowballs in a positive way. That builds evidence that you're capable that you're going to make it through the day, that you got good energy, you got good intentions. And so I want to introduce you to somebody extraordinary. Her name is Dr. Alia Crum. She's a professor at Stanford University, and she runs the Stanford Mind and Body Lab. This is what they've established in her lab with scientific proof that you can learn how to use the power of your mind to be successful, to be healthier,
to have a better attitude, to be in a different mood, to have more optimism and resilience. And when she appeared on our podcast, you know, I asked her, "Dr. Crum, do mind sets really matter." And in this clip that you're about to hear, she's going to challenge you. You're going to hear her ask you some questions. Does how you think about your job, change how you feel about your job? Does how you think about your health, change your health?
How can you really use the power of your mind to help you create a better life, or to change the way your day feels? So I want you to take a listen to Dr. Crum. This is an excerpt from her appearance here on the Mel Robbins podcast. The work that we do in our lab is looking at mindsets about things related to our health.
Oh, so take stress.
Do you believe that stress is going to kill you?
Or is it going to make you stronger?
“What's your belief about healthy food? Do you believe healthy foods are the disgusting and depriving option?”
Or do you believe healthy foods are actually indulgent and delicious? What about cancer? Do you believe that cancer is a unmitigated catastrophe? Or might cancer be manageable? Might it even be an opportunity to make positive changes in your life? So these mindsets, Mel, they're not true or false. They're not right or wrong.
They're oversimplified highly evaluative judgments about the nature of these things. But they matter in shaping our lives. In fact, they create our realities. And they create our realities not through some kind of magic, but by design. So our mindsets change what we pay attention to.
If you believe the world is dangerous, you're going to see more danger in the world. Our mindsets change how we feel and expect to feel emotionally. Our mindsets change what we're motivated to do and how we actually engage in behave in the world. And what our work is shown is that our mindsets also change our bodies. They change our bodies physiologically, prepare and respond to different things.
I just find doctor crumbs work to be so fascinating. And I have the transcript rate in front of me and I want to make sure that I repeat this accurately
because I want to pull in what she just said to what we're talking about with this second micro-choice.
“Do you believe it's going to be a good day? Or do you believe it's going to be a bad day?”
And do to what we're talking about with micro-choice number two? Is it going to be a good day? Or is it going to be a bad day? And does your mindset and belief about what kind of day it's going to be? Does it actually matter? And what doctor crumbs work proves, she just said it to us, is that our mindsets change how we feel and expect to feel emotionally.
Our mindsets change what we are motivated to do and how we actually engage and behave in the world. And this is where it gets really interesting. The micro-choice of having a good day versus the micro-choice of saying it's going to be a bad day. Changes how your body physiologically prepares and responds to the rest of the day by design. So what does that mean? It means these aren't just words, these are settings.
Settings that make a huge difference. And when you even just subconsciously start to brace and go today's going to be a bad day, simply by making that micro-choice, Dr. Crum's research has proven that it can change how your body physically prepares for the day itself. And what's really cool about bringing Dr. Crum into this is that
she's established this with research, pioneering research in her lab. But I'm also going to appeal to you as your friend and say,
“I think you know this is true based on common sense.”
And so now that I see it, I'm aware of it, let me make a different choice. And here's the choice I want you to make. Today is going to be a good day. Because I'm going to make something good happen.
Yep, there's a lot of stressful things going on. My boss was kind of a dick and was in a bad mood. Yep, I got a big job.
Yep, there's always something out of my control,
but today is going to be a good day. How do I know? Because I'm going to bring a good attitude. I'm going to have good energy. I'm going to have good boundaries.
So I'm not going to let the stupid stuff drain me. Today is going to be a good day. Because I'm going to make something good happen. Do you see how different that feels? And let me be clear.
When you intentionally choose in this micro moment, you choose good. That doesn't mean you're delusional. It doesn't mean you're pretending that life isn't hard or the news isn't terrifying or that your inbox isn't a dumpster fire.
Choosing good is like reaching for a tool in your toolbox. You understand the power of your mindset on your body, on your stress, on your ability to respond. It means you're deciding on purpose how to set the settings in your mind, so that you feel a little better regardless of the dumpster fire
that's in front of you. Choosing to have a good day for no reason or in spite of what's happening or to make something good happen or to just have good energy
Or to look for the good.
That is a powerful thing to do.
“Today's going to be a good day because I'm going to look for something good.”
I'm going to bring the good. I'm going to have a good attitude. I'm going to be doing a good job. I'm going to be good to other people. I'm going to be in a good mood because it helps everybody else.
I mean right now it's like you're choosing bad and you don't realize it. You do it by default. It's like you can be in a bad mood for no reason. That means you can be in a good mood for no reason. It could be five o'clock in the afternoon.
It could say, you know, the first part of the day sucked, but the rest of the day is going to be a good day because I'm going to make it a good day. I'm going to focus on having a good attitude. I'm going to do something good. I'm going to be a good friend.
I'm going to, you know, find the good. I'm going to make myself be in a good mood.
I'm going to do something for half an hour tonight that always,
you know, makes me feel good. You can pull this lever. You can make this my choice at any time. And one last note on choice number two is going to be a good day or bad day. And why it matters so much is that it's true.
There's a lot going on. There's a lot of bad things in the headlines. There's a lot of stressful things going on at work right now. And there's very valid reasons to be stressed or worried. But the settings in your mind matter.
Because they're not going to change the problems that you see in the world. They're not going to change the problems that you may be facing in your life. The settings in your mind change you. They help you face the problems. They help you get through the day.
They help you by reminding you that there are things in your control. Your time, your energy, your mood, what you focus on. And when you choose to focus on the good. When you choose to focus on your energy on doing something good, on bringing a good mood to work.
That changes how you are able to face the things that are going on in your life. I love this conversation so much. I want to just keep on talking. But I need to hit the pause button because I want to shine the light on our extraordinary sponsors. And while you take a listen to our sponsors, take a minute.
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Welcome back, it's your friend Mel Robbins. You and I are talking about four very small micro choices that are there every single day. You're probably missing them. These are micro choices that have major impact. And when you start to make a different choice, you're learning how it can have a huge positive difference in your life.
So let's just jump right back in. Now let's talk about the third micro choice that is quietly in the background. Running your life. What is micro choice number three? You decide fuel or fumes.
See, this micro choice is so easy to make without even thinking about it. And here it is. Are you going to run your day and fumes or are you going to run your day with fuel? In other words, are you going to run on empty or are you going to run on full? Because either way, you got to take a guess and you're going to be running.
You have got a lot of big and important things to do. I know you. Of course you do. You're running around all over the place.
“So the question is, are you doing it with your tank on empty or are you fueling yourself for everything you need to get done?”
And I want you to be honest as your friend. Because this is where a lot of people are lying to themselves. I used to be one of them.
You know, I grew up in the generation where they always used to say when I was little.
Breakfast is the most important meal of the day. But then I go to college and I got a different message. You got to be skinny. So it's time to start serving yourself and skipping meals and exercising on an empty stomach and hydrating with caffeine. And then I wonder why I have anxiety.
And I'm constantly bitchy and stressed out. And I can hear you saying, Mel, you know, I know I need to have better fuel. But I don't have time. It's so busy in the morning. I don't have time.
Okay. Well, then you're going to love this. Because I'm not going to ask you to become a new person. I'm not going to ask you to overhaul your diet. Track macros, buy a blender, join some wellness call.
That's not what we're doing here. The choice is very simple.
“Are you feeding yourself or are you starving yourself?”
I get it. You're late. You grabbed your phone. You did this. You didn't do that.
You didn't have time to do that. But then you wonder why you're irritable. You wonder why you can't focus?
Why everything feels hard.
Why you're snapping at people you like. Why you feel anxious.
“Why the littlest things that work just piss you off.”
This choice. Am I running on fumes? Or am I running on fuel? Effects your entire day. And it starts when you wake up.
So as I was getting ready to have this conversation with you. I was doing a bunch of research. And my friend, Dr. Nicole Laperra, who goes by the holistic psychologist online. She's extraordinary. She's brilliant.
She's a New York Times bestselling author. Tens of millions of people follow her because she breaks down. All kinds of psychology and research and teaches you how you can apply it to heal and improve aspects of your life.
And it was a post about the importance of eating protein first thing in the morning.
She basically explained that in the first 30 minutes of the day when you wake up. Your cortisol levels are the highest. Now cortisol is that they call it the stress hormone. But it's highest in the morning because arguably it's supposed to help you get going. Right? Like let's get going.
So for the first 30 minutes of the day when your cortisol levels are the highest. You may be grumpy and irritable and upset and you don't even know why. And then she says that eating protein first thing in the morning is a very important thing to do to help you regulate your emotion. And in the caption she went on to describe that it's important because regulating your blood sugar. Directly helps you regulate your emotions.
And this has been a huge shift in my life. I mean, if you've been listening to the podcast recently, you know that health is my number one goal. And in particular, I've listened to all the medical and nutritional and scientific experts that have come on this podcast in every single possible discipline who have all been talking to us about the critical nature of protein. Protein for focus, protein for muscles, protein for energy, protein for life.
I was never a big breakfast person.
And I have started to force myself to change my own habits and follow this expert advice and really take fueling myself first thing in the morning.
“Seriously, are you going to make time to fuel yourself or even to fly out the door?”
And just dig around in your backpack and eat that half eaten granola bar, you know, dust all the sandy stuff in the bottom of your backpack off it and choke it down. Or are you going to try to cover up that giant hole where your food should be? Namely your stomach with a big cup of coffee and 15 sugar packets in it. And if you think I'm exaggerating, I really want to share some wisdom from somebody that I absolutely love. His name is Professor Carl Pilmer. He is a professor Cornell. He is behind one of my favorite bodies of research.
We've talked about it on this podcast. It's called the Legacy Project. Now, Dr. Pilmer has spent years compiling the best life advice in wisdom from people in their 80s, 90s and 100s. And I have been citing his research for a long time in my work, so I was so thrilled when he agreed to come on the podcast. And he's also in clinical practice as a psychologist. But I just love that he has this research study for 22 years interviewing people near the end of their lives.
So that you and I can learn the wisdom about how you live a good life from people whose lives are almost over. He refers to the people in his study as the elders. And what you're about to hear is one of my favorite pieces of advice that come from the Legacy Projects, specifically.
“What do you do if you're feeling irritable cranky, not like yourself?”
And now you're taking it out on the people that you care about. guilty. I mean, in minute, you literally give the best people the worst of you. You blame work stress and the fact that you're tired and hungry for why you just reincribe it, somebody in your kitchen that you're related to. What I love about Dr. Pilmer and I really want you to just sit with this is this wisdom and insight that relates to this microchoice.
Are you running on fumes? Or are you running on fuel?
That comes from two decades of research. Here's what Dr. Pilmer had to say on Mel Rowland's podcast.
If you're having a lot of serious arguments, you find there's a pattern to arguments rather than therapy, the cure might be a sandwich. Because my wife and I though would be traveling and we'd forget to eat. And our argument like who chose the bad hotel or why we got there after the museum closed would be unbelievably intense until we realized that we were hungry.
There's good research on this Mel showing that you should not argue when you'...
And so one of the things the elder said, like one of their little lessons is if you're having an intractable argument, get something to eat and see what happens.
I love that advice and here's what I'm realizing.
My mouth is kind of open because I'm now processing what you're saying. My husband and my kids do that with me because I will get so lost in what I'm doing. And then next thing you know, I'm bickering about something just so stupid and I'm the jerk, right? And somebody in my family will go, why's the last time you ate? And sure enough, five or six hours ago, try it out a cup of tea and a biscuit if you're having a terrible argument.
So that was one of their key points.
“And that's why this third micro choice is so powerful.”
And you can make it at any single point in the day.
I'm hoping that you're gaining the self awareness that you recognize the power of what do you reach for today's going to be a good day. And am I going to run on fuel? Those three choices together, holy cow, they set you up differently, don't they? Because when you're running on fumes, do you ever notice that what can feel like an a massive emotional problem? It's so overwhelming.
It's overwhelming because you are in a human body and brain running on empty, on fumes. That's why you feel like you can't handle this. And it's also why if you just take an exhale and you get a great bowl of chicken soup, no, it doesn't erase the problem. But with some fuel, you often have a different perspective.
With some fuel, you have renewed energy.
“How many times have you had a day where you catch yourself and you think, oh my god, why am I being such a monster?”
Why is everything pissing me off at work today? Why am I not myself today? And then you realize you haven't eaten anything in six hours. You're stuck dealing with a depleted body in mind. And so what is the takeaway? Stop pretending you're fine running on fumes. This isn't making you skinny, it's making you anxious and irritable.
One fuel choice, early in the day, especially in the morning, especially protein. If you're somebody who does intermittent fasting great, maybe that works for you, but the question is still the same. When you do break the fast, what are you fueling yourself with? Are you choosing something that stabilizes you and empowers you and energizes you? Or are you choosing something that gives you a quick spike?
Tons of carbs, tons of sugar, all kinds of junk and then crash leaves you still feeling empty. If you feel like you're running on fumes, I want you to take advice from Dr. Pilmer and all the wisdom from 20 years of studying people in their 80s, 90s and 100s. Just get something to eat and then see what happens. That's the micro choice that has a major impact and it's a lever you can pull it any time. I love this topic so much. I had so much fun digging into this and really thinking about it and it's been crazy empowering.
And that brings me to the fourth micro choice that has a surprisingly huge impact and makes a huge difference every single day. And that choice is scroll or sleep. Because at the end of the day, there's this one tiny moment. We all have it. You have it every night, so do I. That decides how tomorrow is going to feel. And it happens right when you finally have a second to your self. Oh my god, the whole dough has been for everybody else. Oh my god works. Oh my god, taking care of everybody. You're done with the dinner cleanup. The kids are in bed. The dogs have been fed. You've done the dishes. You're done.
You're done doing things for other people. And then you look at the clock and you think, okay, I really should go to bed. But you don't. Because there is a choice sitting right there in front of you. At the end of every day, oh my god, the bike road choice is right there. Are you going to scroll? Or are you going to sleep?
And you know what I used to say? Here's what would happen when this moment would hit because you have this moment every night. So do I. Everybody does.
We're going to have this moment for the rest of our lives. Okay. You know what I used to say before I figured out these four micro choices. Here's what I used to say. I used to say. You know, I should go to bed. I should just go to bed. I should. I should not even pick up the phone. I should just go to bed.
“And I want you to notice something because that's what you say to yourself too. Right. You're sitting on the couch. You're done watching TV. You go to turn TV off.”
And you're like, god, I really should go to bed. And you're reaching for your phone. Or you already have your phone in your hand. But notice when you say, I should go to bed.
That's not making a choice.
When you stop in that moment every single night, you have this moment.
“And instead, you give yourself a choice. Mel, do you want to choose to scroll? Or do you want to go sleep?”
You're not making yourself wrong. You are empowering yourself to make a choice. There's a huge difference between. Oh, I should go to bed. I should put the phone. Versus, why can't you either scroll or I can go to sleep? What do I choose? My husband has this one all figured out. Like, every single night like clockwork. It gets to be eight, 45, nine o'clock tops. And he's either already asleep. And his missed half of the episode that we've been watching together on the couch.
Or he's like, okay, he's pushing, you know, he's getting up. I'm going, okay, it's time to go to bed. Then there's me. That's the moment. That's the moment, right there.
That's the micra moment. And you know what I do? I literally without clockwork before I figured this micro choice out.
I would just reach for the phone. And then I tell myself, I'd say to Chris, you know, I just got to check one more thing. And then that thing takes 45 minutes. And then after I've been on the phone for 45 minutes, guess what? I'm not even tired anymore. So now I'm up for another hour or two, like an idiot. I was tired at night at clock when he was going to bed. But now that I've been scrolling on the stupid phone for 45 minutes, now I'm up. So now I'm like, I got another hour at me. And there's, I'm going to be honest with you because I've really tried to like take a part this moment at night.
This micro choice. Do I scroll, do I go to bed? And I'm wondering if you feel this way too. There's this feeling as Chris is going off to bed. And I pick up my phone. I almost feel a little rebellious. I feel a little naughty. You know what I mean? It's the same feeling that I had in college when I would smoke a cigarette. You know, you light up a cigarette.
It's kind of like a giant f-view to the world. You're like, I'm a badass. I'm in charge of my decisions. And when you pick up your phone at night, there is this rebel thing that you feel like I'm in control of my time. So I'm going to use it to scroll past all this stuff I don't need to know right now. And make myself feel insecure and stressed out and freaked out about the state of the world, but damn it. I'm choosing to do this because all day long, I had to react to you dumbasses at work.
And so now I'm going to sit here like the badass that I am and brain rot. I scroll on my phone late into the night. You know, it's almost like that moment.
“Right there. It's like it's the first time all day that your life is yours.”
And you're stealing the time back from everybody else. And you stay up. Researchers have labeled this revenge bedtime procrastination. You're getting revenge on everybody all day long who stole your time. And then you delay sleep to like psychologically reclaim some freedom after a day that didn't feel like it was your day. But here's the problem with this micro-choice. I get it because I've spent a long time doing this.
What starts out is a little bit of time. Kids out of control. And then it becomes part of your bedtime routine. And then you need it as the precursor to going to bed. It's not relaxing. As you're sitting there just five more minutes. Your nervous system is like, oh my god, oh my god. We're not landing the plane. We're taking off again. Why are we going back up in the air?
I thought we were coming in for a landing and we were about to go to bed. What the hell is going on? And then you're in it. Then you're in it. Just like in the morning, just like in the morning.
The first thing you're reach for next. You know, it's 30 minutes. And it's all the same stuff that pulls you in and brings you down that rabbit hole.
The headline that punches you in the chest. The video that you can't unsee the comments section that makes you lose face and in humanity. A random argument that you didn't even join. But now you're pissed off about what these total idiot strangers. A third of which are bots are arguing about it 11 o'clock at night. When you do that at night, you're telling your right. Hey, hey, stay alert. Keep scan on. Don't power it out. We can't sleep now.
That's why you're exhausted.
“That's why you're having trouble falling asleep.”
Here's why this matter so much. It's not just that you lose an hour of sleep. It's that you're waking up tomorrow feeling behind. Let me tell you about this study that was led by PhD researcher Dr. Ann Marie Chang while she was at a German women's hospital, which is in Boston, right where the Melbourne's podcast is recorded and
Harvard Medical School, and it was published in PNAS.
Their research found that reading on a light and knitting device right before...
Delays your internal body clock, and it suppresses melatonin.
That's the hormone that helps your brain shift into sleep. So the translation for a normal person like you and me is put the phone down. Sleep, not scroll. Your phone isn't, quote, helping you relax. Your phone is telling your brain time for takeoff. We're not landing right now.
“Now there's one more reason why this micro choice is so important that you start choosing to sleep instead of”
choosing to scroll. Now I've been talking about choosing to scroll while you're still on the couch. Because that's where I was falling into the trap. I've broken my habits around reaching for the
phone in the bed and having my phone in the bed, and I was not even aware of the research
that I'm about to share with you from a psychologist Richard Bootson at Northwestern University. But this is research specifically about what happens when this micro choice is going to go to sleep or am I going to scroll? It's not happening on the couch. But you're actually doing this in bed, which is probably more likely where you're doing it. And I get it. I get it. I get, well, I just, you know, it just relaxes me.
So I climb into bed and I just, you know, watch terrifying headlines and a bunch of reels. And I look at things that I don't need to buy. And I stare at people's lives that I wish I was leaving. And I look at celebrities and I read all the starry count. It's just a very relaxing.
“So that's what I do. I need to do that. Stop it. Stop it.”
Wait to hear this research. Your bed needs to be found free because your bed is supposed to train your brain to sleep. You have to stop turning your bed into a place where your brain is trained to be awake and wired. I mean, this makes sense, right? If you really kind of zoom out, the idea is simple. Everything about your bed in your bedroom should be like ding ding ding ding ding.
Let's land the plane. It's time for sleep. Not queuing. Okay, pick up the phone and scroll or stress or news or work or shopping or family drama. Your brain is an association machine. It's looking for patterns. So if you turn your bed into an office or a newsroom or a mall, your brain is going to stop connecting bed with sleep. And if you're the kind of person that's developed a habit of needing your phone and needing scrolling to fall asleep,
“then it probably doesn't surprise you that if you get up in the middle of the night because you have to go the bathroom and you come back to bed, what are you reaching for?”
The phone. Because you have trained yourself to believe that you need scrolling in order to fall asleep. The microchoice is, do I choose to scroll or do I choose to sleep? And it's the same thing I've been explaining this entire conversation. One tiny choice that has huge, huge consequences to it, positive or negative.
Here's what you can do. This is what I call, before you talk yourself in, you need to talk your phone in.
And the American Academy of Sleep wants you to talk your phone in 30 minutes before you're going to go to sleep. That's, I think something you can do. And so that means this microchoice needs to happen 30 minutes before you want to climb into bed. Choose to go to sleep and set a scrolling. What are you going to do in those 30 minutes? You can do anything. While your phone is charging, buy your, wash your face. Lay out your clothes for the morning.
Take a shower. Oh, you know what? I do, I take a bath. I take a hot bath. I pour in the episode salts. I sit there, read a book, listen to an audiobook that relaxes you stretch for two minutes. Make your bed and your routine feel like something cool. It starts associating with sleep. You could light a candle. You could fluff the pillows. You could turn the lights down a little bit. You could start creating a bedtime ritual that you absolutely
Love because when you start to make a choice, you start respecting yourself. And when you choose to sleep, you don't just wake up with more energy. You wake up with more capacity to get through the day. And that's the entire point of the conversation today. You can't control everything that's happening out there.
But you can make these four micro decisions that help you take control. You can stop handing your time and your energy in your piece away in these tiny moments.
One of those moments is your bedtime.
And if you don't trust yourself, set an alarm.
“Set an alarm for 30 minutes before you need to go to bed.”
And when it goes off, it means I'm done talking to the world. I'm done allowing things into my brain. No more headlines, no more emails, no more video games. And if you want this to be really easy, do the simplest, most effective thing. Put your phone when you tuck it in somewhere far away from your bed.
Mine is always in my bathroom or in my closet.
If it's where I have two chargers, that means when the alarm goes off, I have to get up out of bed and go turn it off. And by the time I get to my bed, I'm awake enough that I'm not reaching for it. I just turn off the alarm. I'm done.
I don't even pick it up. I'm going to take it with me. And here's one more tip. You know what you could do is after you tuck in your phone. And you got your 30 minute ritual and your climbing into bed.
Put out whatever it is that you're going to reach for first thing in the morning. Is it your tennis shoes? Is it your gym bag? Is it the leash? Is it your ski poles?
Is it your journal? Is it your meditation?
Set yourself up to make the right choice first thing tomorrow morning.
“And that's how this not just becomes for little choices that you can make every day.”
It becomes little levers, tipping points in your day where you can take back control. That's it. That's how you take your power back. All of it. Four simple micro choices every day that create major positive change.
And yeah, they seem simple, but isn't that why you love them? You can remember them. Now that you see them, don't you see it as so obvious? It's like, oh my gosh. They were there all the time, Mel.
Thank you for pointing that out. That is so cool. I just love this. I can't wait to hear what happens in your life when you choose to reach for something every morning that feels good that sets you up that comes you down.
I can't wait to hear what happens in your life when you choose to tell yourself every single day. Today's going to be a good day. I'm going to make something happen that's good. I'm going to have good energy because the more you wake up and make that choice, the more it becomes the truth.
The more it's the filter that your brain uses all day. The more the settings in your mind change and the same thing with the choice. Am I right on fumes or am I putting fuel in my body? Like that decision alone is going to change how your day goes. And of course, this moment at night, oh my god, you and I have this moment for the rest of our life.
You will not live a day for the rest of your life where at night you are faced with that choice. Do I scroll? Do I sleep? And now that you know that it's a choice, I really hope is your friend. You make the choice that empowers you the most.
“And the best thing of all about all these four choices is you don't have to do all four.”
And you don't even have to do them today because they are there every single day. And even if you miss one, you can then pick up with the next one.
And if you miss two, you can pick up with the third. And if you blew the entire day, you can pick up with the fourth.
Okay, I'm just going to sleep and call this day a wash. And then I'm going to wake up tomorrow and reach for the right thing. Remember, micro choices, massive impact. And in case no one else tells you today, I also wanted to be sure to tell you that I love you and I believe in you. And I believe in your ability to create a better life.
And there's no doubt in my mind that when you start to take these four micro choices seriously, you will experience a massive positive change in your day-to-day life. Alrighty, I'll see you in the very next episode. I'll be waiting to welcome you in the moment you have play. Jesse, would you hand me my coffee? I think it's over my desk. Take one more gulp before we get going here. That one tiny choice.
Did we? I think we missed the good thing. Hold on a second. The reason she did it was good. Okay, let me start one more time. Okay, I'll sit on. Micro choice number two. Are you going to have a good day? Are you going to have a bad day? It's that simple. Let me take a sip of my water. And you're starting to feel a little light headed and a little irritable.
And you know, you have a less again. And oh, you're saying, hold on. Oh, is he leaving? Oh, let me go hog him. Anything else? I don't think so. Yeah, it's really good.
Oh, and one more thing. And no, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know, what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you.
This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes.
I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist.
And this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician,
“professional coach, psychotherapist or other qualified professional. Got it?”
Good. I'll see you in the next episode.
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