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“happened at the actor awards the formerly known as the Saga Awards on Sunday night,”

what it means for the Oscars. What it tells us about the priorities of certain people who are extremely high profile followed by a royal bombshell is King Charles planning to offer Meghan and Harry, the castle in which former Prince Andrew resided. Rob's got all of the details. He's also got an update on Jennifer Aniston and her Con man just my opinion butterfly enthusiast boyfriend. She's also a hypnotist. We've got Intel on what

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Hollywood's latest awards ceremony on Sunday night plus Royals, scandal unfolding plus more celebrity gossip is none other than columnist extraordinary rob shooter of the must subscribe stuff, sub-stack, naughty but nice. I read it constantly. If you haven't already, go in pre-order rob's new book, it's started with a whisper which we will all be discussing in our first real official book club with Rob when it's published this spring. Welcome back, Rob.

Lori, look for the ride to the post today. Oh, are you, is this your first like getting a

“look at like the physical copy you unboxed it and everything and isn't it the most incredible feeling?”

You know because you've done this friends of mine who are offers say it's just incredible to actually

like hold it and smell it and touch it. It's a good day. It's a congratulations. It's like giving it's like it's your baby. Like you had this idea in your head for so long and to see it in a physical form. You can hold it. You can touch it. It's just, I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy.

and I really, it's like having a baby. I know that sounds just to be simple or maybe even

insincere, but it was just the most beautiful day a box arrived at my apartment. I wasn't sure what it was. I was like, gosh, was I late ordering on Amazon, was I drinking and ordering and then you

“put it up and it was a lovely feeling. Thank you. Well wait till you see it. You have to arrange”

them on your book shelves. You know copies and copies of your debut novel. Oh, so excited for okay. Now onto the important things, Rob, like what these miscreants were up to last night or Sunday night, I should say, the newly renamed actor awards, which used to be known as the Saga Awards. This is the last major awards ceremony before the Oscars. We need to talk about Timothy, Shama Lama Ding Dong, two things. Before we get to what happened to him or did not happen to him

at that award show. Instead of bringing Kylie Jenner, who he has been bringing to every major award show thus far, Timothy brought his mother. Secondly, I want to take a look with you, Rob, at how his mother was dressed. She is wearing what looks like a day dress for a Sunday afternoon spikes lemonade party at a long island suburb and no shake is from Long Island. She's not wearing any foundational garments whatsoever. She's wearing open-toed sandals, like almost open foot

sandals. He's dating a Jenner. He's dating a Kardashian Jenner. You tell me these people don't have access to the highest level stylists and designers who could have really done something special with his mother. What is this studio? Yeah, I'm shocked about this one. So we talked about on your show, as live on your show, on your Golden Globe show. And she did not walk the red carpet within Kylie was inside. And all my sources were telling me, this is a very tricky moment for Timothy.

He really wants this Oscar. He thinks of himself as the Mullen Brander of his generation. He thinks himself as a very, very serious actor. In fact, he talks about it, which is something Leo

never would do, but you have a little less. And so he talks about it on your show. There's been a

lot of pushback in Hollywood. I talked to agents and managers all the time. And having a Jenner, having a Kardashian on your arm when you want to win an Oscar, might not be the smartest move. Move out out of a Timothy felt like it was. But now he looks as if he's dating that strategy.

“How do you think the bath is did it to him, Rob? Do you think he's losing a bath in?”

Sources of mine, this is the the screen actor award. The actors awards, so sources of mine were telling me and at the bath just to in Britain. He was stunned. He thought he was going to win. He had an acceptance speech. He was the favorite going into this. This isn't even the ego. This has just been able to read every every prediction. I read you read more in heat. This was his award. This is an industry product. He had right. These are the taste makers who

almost decide who to coordinate. And the thing about the bath is you could read is like, okay, the brits gave it to a native Brit. You can understand that. The sag awards is another thing. It is a true predictor because it's actors voting for actors. And it's his peers saying to him,

no, you don't like it. And we don't like you. Yeah. And that's the first time that I think it

through. I hear he was stunned. You're right. The bath does it's easy to dismiss as Brits, both in for Brits. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But to understand. Yeah, that's the better. I understand completely. Yes, that's very much. Yes, it's easy to understand that. He thought this was his. He truly believes in Hollywood. He's really loved. He's really respected. He thinks he's part of that club. And for them to not give it him last night, it's a real sting. And the fact that

Kylie wasn't there. It's what two weeks now for the Oscars, the vote is still open. And so I think we're going to see no Kylie Jenner. However, after you so eloquently described, after seeing what his mom or I think Kylie might be a better choice, like it just like it feels like he's jumped out of the frying pad. Into the fire here, normally bringing a parent is the safe choice. But after

“seeing her last night, I think you should probably go solo to the events over the next”

couple of weeks. Oscar night is different, because the voting's already done. When you walk the red carpet at the Oscars, you can do whatever you want. You can be naked because it's not going to affect the vote. Share had already won when she turned up in that Bob Matthew. Yeah, Bob Matthew. Yeah, Bob Matthew. Yeah, Bob Matthew. Yeah, Bob Matthew. Maybe didn't think he was said, "Cademy appropriate." But that night doesn't matter. It's going to be the next two weeks

more in and honestly, we watch this very carefully. Lean in. See what events he's going to

what images they're going to leak to the press. And I assure you they're not going to be pictures

of him and Kylie Jenner. He might get a children's hospital. I was just going to say he needs a sick kid. He needs a really sick kid. He needs to make a wish moment. You know, and it's not going to work at this point because it's too late. I would like to think that the nerve is moving the needle. There were a couple of bits at that actor's award that we talked about on Tuesday

“show that read as nerve-coated to me. But here's the thing that puzzles me Rob. And you know”

this so well because you worked as a publicist/crisis manager. Okay, this is what you would do with a timetable. If you're going to bring your mother, you're going to get her connected

with the best stylist. Give her a glow up, a glammy glam moment. And now the story you're

telling on the red carpet is my mom who sacrificed so much for me. She's here with me tonight and she got the royal treatment. And whether we win or lose, this is a celebration for us and everything we've been through. But instead, he allowed his mother. He has to know. He's been in the machine forever that that was a wholly inappropriate look that she looked down. I'm not if not no offense to her. But like it was a down market look for a night like this. Totally. And it's not,

we're not beating her up here. She's not part of this machine. Right. Is he's taking a Kardashian

“agenda? He's wearing the frata on the red carpet. Yes. He's the one that insisted that he's”

girlfriend and he turned up in orange. Like he is aware of this. He's really, really savvy at this sense and not taking after noon or even just call your stylist to help your mom out. It's a real, real sigh. And so any good world that he was hoping to build a couple of nights ago by bringing

his mom really backfired because I think people never talking that he didn't look after. He didn't stand

up for her. He didn't, he didn't, he maybe he couldn't be bothered to advise her. It's all about him. Not her. It felt like she was a prop and a prop that wasn't really handled with care. It was a bad look all the way all the way around. I feel for her. I've been at these awards shows and you can always tell the people who are new to this that haven't quite got it right. But normally there's a safety net, particularly with somebody like Timothy Schaller and they, there's a safety net. There

“should be a safety net. But even with the safety net more in, you have to want to care. And so when”

these parents turn up, when you see Jailo bring her mom, Jennifer sends her stylist. Whatever you might think of Jailo or even her mother got a levy. When Jennifer goes to the wardrobe, her side style is that's part of their fee. That's why I'm paying you $10,000 a day not to just look after me. Recently my sister's daughter got married and she made sure that my mom, her grandmother, had great hair and makeup. Yeah, this is something that most women do in their daily life,

brides routinely. It's not, they don't hire hair and make up just for themselves. For their bridal party. They do it for their mother. They do it for any close relations or even little flower girls who want to feel that way. So just, you know, like, I think Timothy's real craven nature has just been unleashed. And like, if you're going to use your mother as an accessory, make her a high class accessory, not this kind of afterthought. Like, you know what it feels like,

Rob, he couldn't bring his trophy, Kylie Jenner, because she's now like, she's she's dragging him down in terms of the serious actors. And so he brings his mother and she looks completely out of place. And the only person you can blame really is Timothy for that. That was on him. It's Timothy, you're not, you're not having to go here at a mom at a parent. I hear it. This is about Timothy. You took her, you invited her. Look after her. You know, you see these events. It's like,

if you go out and you're my plus one, and you don't know anybody in the room, I make sure to introduce you to people. I make sure you know the crowd I introduce my friends to you. He doesn't do that. She was there as a prop, and she was treated as a prop. But at that form, this is going to backfire this two more weeks of voting slightly less. And even though he didn't win last night, he could be telling a great story today about what a

good guy is. He brought his mother and she sat for fun. Kind of didn't bother. No, not the contrast between that, by the way. And so Michael B. Jordan beat him out for sinners. Not only did Michael Jordan be Jordan beat him out. He received a standing ovation, which to me says the room is also saying, a few to me. We love this guy. We not only appreciate his work, but we like him as a person. Michael B. Jordan gets up there. And in his speech, he says,

mom, his mother was there. She was styled to the nines. Thank you for all those afternoons.

to get to auditions in the city. That you know, like a really genuine thank you with some real

detail and some grit and some grinding it out and sacrifice. And Timothy was seated front and centered by the way at that front and center table. Gwyneth Paltrow was next to him. I didn't see his mother. She looks like she was hidden somewhere. You know what I mean? You can tell you can tell away when you haven't done it with your friends. See who sits next to you there, the ones that care about you the most. See who talks to you. See who makes sure that you're having a good night.

He didn't do his mom ride a couple of nights ago and it makes me sad. It makes me a little bit angry because when he's with Kylie Jenner, he's very attentive then. We've seen him at these awards shows and he won't leave her side. She's not liked in those rooms either. So I admire that he's sticking up for his girlfriend, but your mom's stick up for your mom too. If you can do it for a Jenner, if you can do it for your girlfriend, you can do it for your mother. He chose not to. And he

just gave up. Yes, just my opinion he seemed like he was embarrassed of her. He seemed like he was embarrassed by her and he was. She thinks he's got too fancy now. She brought him up on 42nd street

in New York. She was in the theater in the in the community of show business, but never rose to the

“level of being a star. That's where I think the tension is. That's where I think it is.”

Yeah, Madonna does that. Madonna did that. Madonna dumped all her friends from her past. She was embarrassed by them. Where if you leave into it, it only shows how far you've come. I think it actually helps you because when she realized that you started with so little, it only makes that journey even more impressive. Timothy Shame on you. Yeah, and it only makes it more impressive when you can really bring along the people who were there with you as you struggled and who can

appreciate it in a way, very few people can. Unless the conflict is, he's got a stage mother. She's resentful that her son made it all the way to the top and she never did and that could

actually lead the conflict. It could. I hear it's not though. I hear she's delighted. Really. People that

know her, I used to work for Alicia Keys who actually was in the same building. The building on 42nd Street. This is a subsidized housing. The subsidized housing partners get Manhattan Plaza in New York at least sure lifted it there with her mother. And it's a nice, it's a nice building. It's not like fancy, but it's nice. It's not what you think of as subsidized housing. And Alicia's mom, I knew the show I made and they knew each other in the building. They were neighbors and I hear Timothy's

mom is great. The problem isn't the mom. It's Timothy. Interesting. Oh, I love it. I love it. Okay, Rob, moving on. Charles, you have this blockbuster story on your must subscribe naughty but nice sub stack. I read this and I was like, I don't believe this, but you're reporting it. And so I have to give it some credence. Charles may offer Harry and Meghan with this great former Prince Andrews former Castle. Charles, let Andrew stay at this magnificent home. It's only a state of

Windsor Castle. It is an absolute mansion that they talk. They call it a lodge. It's not. It's 30 rooms. Andrew was there for decades, rent free. He's now being kicked out and the home is empty. So they are looking for what to do next is the home. If they leave it empty, the story is that's the house

“where Andrew lives. So even though Charles here is a ditherar, I think there's some strategy here,”

giving that house to Meghan and Harry changes what that house is. It no longer is Andrew's house. It is Meghan and Harry's house. And tourists will go and take pictures of it forgetting the disgraced Andrew because whatever you think of Harry and Meghan, they certainly make a lot of noise. So part of it is to change the conversation about that house. Part of it too is Charles is a very sick man. He would like Harry to come back to Britain at least part time. I don't know from my reporting

if he's going to give them the house full time or if he's going to say next time you're in Britain. Instead of staying under a hotel, instead of staying at friends' houses. When they're in Jordan, they got in trouble because they stayed at the embassy, which they shouldn't stay at because them, they're private citizens, they're not royals. So this would actually help, I think, Charles, it will change the conversation about that really house of horrors. Let's be clear,

stuff went on in that house that they don't want to talk about. They want to turn the page. And also to it will give Harry and Meghan a place to stay away from trouble, away from embassies, away from Epstein type characters in Britain part time. So I'm not sure if he's just going to hand it to them. They don't want it. They're not moving back to Britain. But when they do,

“go back to Britain. I think they're going to be staying. I hear my reporting said they're going”

to be at the Royal Lodge. It's strange though because you could easily see Meghan Markle taking this offer and turning it around and saying, you're going to give us a house of horrors. It would live. What is that say about us? I think Charles is so out to lunch. I just think he is so

branch, William wants nothing to do with them. Nothing. Nothing. My sources in the palace are

strong as well as celebrities. I was the publicist for Princess Michael of Canter. I've worked for the Royal Family. I got a check from them. I got a retainer and monthly retainer from the palace. I'm told within the palace, your recent story, your bombshell, really saying Charles should advocate was read within the palace and a lot of the people agree with you. It's time to turn the page. We've spoke about it before we're reading in the next 6-12 months. William is going to be on

that throne. He's already the king. William is the acting. In all that name. In all but name and they don't really know what to do with Charles. So if Charles wants to give a disgraced mansion to a disgraced son, so be it. I don't think William is going to fight on that hill. There's much bigger issues. William is going to be dealing with. And so if the king wants one of his last wishes to make him look

“kind and generous, so be it. But I think it's tricky, isn't it? When I heard it, as reporters,”

we hear stuff. And you can't believe your own ears. Can you at first? The most shocking stories

are often true. It's just something that is mind-blowing. But when I was told that Charles now he's lost his brother, he has. He doesn't want to lose his son too. Charles would be friends with his brother if he could be. I think it's a much safer for the whole family and especially for William. If William encourages his dad, if you've got to make friends with somebody, pick Harry, not Andrew. You know who Charles could talk to about the pain of losing a brother? William.

You know, I have so many theories about that family dynamic, but I just think like reporting like this only further, I think intensifies the urgency with which I feel Charles needs to abdicate. He just needs to abdicate. Now moving on, I really want to talk to you about there are two stories I'm dying to get to you about. One, Eric Dane, who recently died last week of ALS, just awful tragic. He was most famous as McSteamy on Grey's Anatomy. The Daily Mail was

“reporting that Johnny Dap, I believe, allowed him to live in one of his residences rent free.”

He clearly had a lot of support from people who kept their mouths quiet. You're reporting that his sex tape has resurfaced after his death. If you want any more proof that Hollywood can be a reptilian place, I remember reading about this scandal back in 2009. I believe it was the inquire who was all over it. So he and his wife for back at Gayheart, I don't think they ever formally divorced for many reasons, but they were married.

Had a threesome and it was in a bathtub and there was a sex tape made. Now, I have two questions for you. One, where are these screenings happening? Is it a Pam and Tommy Lee situation whereby the thing has just been like copied, copied, and sent

“virally, and or was the third party in question, the third member of this threesome? Was she under age?”

Let me take your second question first. She's never been identified and that's for a reason.

And there is something I've seen. I haven't seen the video. I've seen screenshots from here. It's a very young looking young lady in this tape. Also to my sources are telling me, it's not a one-off. If you're going to film yourself having sex with your wife and somebody else, you don't just do that one. So there's probably a body of work here. That's proper. And let it let it somehow get out of your possession. Exactly. Exactly. And so this tape

has been copied and copied and copied. They're very fuzzy versions, but it's so ghoulish that people in Hollywood in private homes are having screening parties where they're inviting their friends over for a good bite at Eric Dayan party. Now one person told me it made my skin crawl but gives you an insight into Hollywood. They said, "God forbid, if something happened to Tom Cruise, we're all screen mission impossible. That's his greatest work." And they think Eric in this

sex tape was at the top of his physical form. He looks magnificent and they don't see anything wrong with sitting around watching someone's most private moments, which were not meant to be released. We could argue watching eyes wide shirt with Nicole and Tom, which is very sexual. They were on camera. They wanted to be on camera. They wanted that to be released. This is a really private

It's become the new it thing to have a screening party. It feels like watching a snuff film. It does.

“You know, it's just so, and if the thinking is really well, there he is at his physical peak,”

a guy who died of ALS. Are you effing kidding me? It's gross. It's gross. It's gross. What do you call it, Maurice? I love it. Reptilean. Reptilean. Yeah, they're called blooded reptiles. I think the last story we have time for, but it is one of my favorite on-going bangers. You're reporting that Jennifer Aniston's friends, who I would like to think are watching the nerve. Hello fellow travelers, are trying to warn Jennifer about her romance with celebrity hypnotist

Jim Curtis, who is out looking for yellow butterflies while she is shopping for $25 million

luxury apartment for this guy in New York City. You're reporting, quote, "They want her to stop writing checks. Rob, you take it." It is not just the big stuff. He can't afford a $25 million apartment, she can. It's the little stuff. When they go out for dinner, when they go out for coffee.

“Stop. That's what you, that's when you see someone's true colors. I'm fortunate enough to have”

some wealthy friends. I can't roll like them, but when we go out for dinner, I pick up the tab. Absolutely. You pick up the tab or you say, "What's my portion?" You can assume they're going to pay for everything because they have money. Jennifer is a cash cow. Her friends would say she's very generous. Her friends who are more skeptical would say she's been taken advantage of. It's very difficult in life. You don't have to be famous to know this. To marry

somebody or even be pals with somebody. There's just such a difference in financial background. It can really raise issues unless you talk about it. Friends and mind, I can't eat noble fine notes. I can't afford to go there. If they want to go to noble, I'll say, "I'd love to go, but let's go somewhere else," and then we can split the bill and then hopefully they'll say, "No, it's our treat," and I'll say, "Thank you very much." But I do give them the off-rub.

He doesn't. He has hit the jackpot. Moving into a 25 million dollar apartment, like Colleen

Jones Towers with Scarlett Johansson, it's Scarlett's money that's paying for that. Colleen makes a lot of money on SNL, but he doesn't make Scarlett money. It's a real, real issue, and even though he thinks himself as a therapist, there's a Mel Robbins type relationship expert. This conversation has not been had and it absolutely has to because Jen's picking up all the bills. The difference by the way, Rob, between a friend who does not have as much money as say another

and those sort of conversations, but maybe we go here for dinner and the friend with the money saying, "No, no, I'd love to. It's my treat. It would make me happy to do." So that's one thing. It's another thing if you're thinking of merging your life with a guy who's a deadbeat. Just my opinion,

we hear he had leans on the $1 million apartment that he's got. He missed like two HOA or like,

common charges payments. That's bad. That's bad to miss two in a row. The guy has no income that we can see aside from this book deal he got. And I got to ask you, what is your reporting or sense of, does Jennifer know that people are laughing at this guy and kind of laughing at her, for bank rolling, this idiot who's like, "Just go look for yellow butterflies and every girl will be great." No, she doesn't know. She lives in this real bubble. She lives in a real

bubble and if you try to tell her, she'll get rid of you. She does it. She wants to hear it. Friends, don't want to lose their friendship. She's one of them. She's one of them. She's one of them. She's in the open. She lives in a real bubble. She lives in a real bubble and if you try to tell her, she'll get rid of you. She does it. She wants to hear it. Friends don't want to lose their friendship. She's one of them. Jimmy Kimmel, who has an opinion about everything. He's buying it in his tummy. No, dummy.

Jan, if you're listening to them. Jimmy Kimmel has got to be also just dying inside. Oh, it's dying. This is what's going on. This is what's going on. They all know. They all know. That is the saddest thing, you know, when you, you get to that level and you are able to

“purchase even the silence of good friends who would tell you the hard truths that you need to hear.”

You may not love them, but down the road, you're going to be very thankful you had people in your corner who were willing to maybe upset you just a little bit. Rob, oh my God. I can roll around all

Great to see you, Robin. Congrats on getting the book delivery. We will see you soon.

“It's started with a whisper. Go pre-order it. I'll trouble makers. We're going to get”

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“recent appearance at the Sezar Awards, ceremony, and France. Are these two the same person?”

We're showing the side by side right now, or is the real gym hanging out with sediment in some undisclosed locations, trouble makers are commenting on the change in facial features and mannerisms. What do you think? Thanks morine. I think gym has had a lot of work done. I think this is gym carry, and I think it's bad work. It looks like possibly a hair transplant where there was once a clean neckline, the nape of the neck was shorn very tightly, high and tight,

as my dad used to say. Now we've got longer hair that would seem to indicate a hair transplant. Looks like a lot of laser work potentially a facelift, a lot of filler. I lift, look at those eyelids, and upper-blath. All of this talk with our resident plastic surgeons has really trained my eye. We'll have to get somebody on here to really talk about this. It's definitely the same guy,

“but it's disturbing. It's one of those uncanny valley things where you're like, I think I'm looking”

at gym carry, but he doesn't look like gym carry. It's really a shame. Hi morine, subject line, not so great expectations. Here's some artwork to hang in the wood shed, Sarah Jessica Parker, as the rejected, deluded, and decaying. Miss Havisham, or as the nerves, nine hundred year old Spratley, Anjanu, S.J.P. could revive her career in a remake of Sunset Boulevard,

as Norma Desmond, she would never. She would never. Sarah Jessica is a ready for her close-up

fan from Florida, trouble maker, be high-moreen mobrough, self-identified mobo, mobrough, gym, from Sarah Soda yesterday. Jim says he was in Sarah Soda's Barnes and Noble, looking to get American Predator, my book before asked not, which he also requested, and Jim is reporting that the clerk said, "I already know it's on back order," meaning Ask Not Jim said, "Why?" He said, "For other people today asked for the same book." He said, "What is going on? This book has been

out for over a year." That is true. Jim told the bookseller, "Troublemakers," Jim says,

Hi, Maureen. This is from trouble maker Warren. It's dated Monday, March 2nd.

“No, sorry. It's dated Saturday, February 28th. Okay. Hi, Maureen. I saw Chris Staples in”

concert last night. I started listening to him after you recommended him on the nerve. I'm from New Jersey and have never listened to country music much. I was hooked on his music immediately. He was absolutely incredible. Live. I am obsessed. Lauren, I missed you by a night. I'm wearing my Chris Staples in shirt. I went to go see him on Saturday night at the same venue in Connecticut at

the Mohican Sun. I never seen a show at the Mohican Sun. First of all, great venue. Every

sightline was incredible. The sound was amazing. The lighting was amazing. Chris Staples in my first time seeing him live, too. I've been a fan for quite some time now. I went with one of my

“best friends and it was something of a little bit of a pilgrimage for me because Chris Staples”

in music really. I wouldn't say it got me through. I would instead say it really helped me grieve my dad. Really helped me grieve and there are three songs of his in particular that really spoke to me and that I had play at his wake. I did the playlist for his wake. One was parachute. Chris Staples in his parachute which I love that song and my dad was airborne. He was

in the hundred and first screaming eagles in the army and he was power trooper and so that song

has very special meaning and traveler which is applicable to so many things but especially the loss of a loved one and then probably my all-time favorite Chris Staples in song, Broken Halo. And I went with so my friends Susanna who you guys would know she was on the very very first episode of the show. Brilliant author and all around great person and it was almost at the end of the like the set went on for over two hours. I felt like a ten minute long show. She turned to me

and she said when she's going to do your song meaning Broken Halo's and I said he will and two seconds later he did Broken Halo's and you know shows like that to me that's the equivalent of a religious experience for me really you know the entire crowd singing everybody relating to that song in their own specific way but it's a universal emotion we all know it. I actually I cried a little bit I wept a little bit you know I really did and it was that song in particular

that um I really I got I got out my grief to Broken Halo's I mean I really you need a good

“cry you need to get it out Broken Halo so you know Chris Stapleston the real epic deal um okay”

finally Gene Tierney the movie star Gene Tierney dear marine troublemaker Meg from Virginia here I love Gene Tierney's movies me to trouble maker me to I love all of the classic movies Laura is a favorite same my mom introduced me to Laura to Gene Tierney also another favorite of mine uh is um Gene Tierney's leave her to heaven which was so far ahead of its time and Gene Tierney really playing such a dark character and she was so otherworldly beautiful and Gene

Tierney had a life like no other when I tell you she survived unimaginable tragedy I'm actually reading her autobiography right now it was published in 1978 and I'm really enjoying it and

I'm deliberately going slowly I've never read a celebrity memoir or autobiography that opens with

a line I I don't have the exact line I don't have the book with me but the the book opens Gene Tierney is standing on the ledge of her apartment in New York City 14 stories up and she's debating whether she's really going to jump and commit suicide while she's looking across the street at the apartment Marilyn Monroe lived in when she was with Arthur Miller and everyone thought Marilyn was happy and had everything the world is her feet and she didn't and people thought the same

about Gene Tierney and she didn't um trouble maker Meg would love to see Gene Tierney as um a topic a subject of a nerve episode let me know you guys if you would like it too we'll do Gene Tierney keep your feet back coming email me at [email protected] or DM me on instagram @ morine

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the puppy's name right now he answers to puppy or puppy if I were a real fan of blues traveler which I'm not I could name him john popper for john popper I can't do it um I'm still working on it I'm going to get the right name for the little guy okay Marlene was really pushing john pom joevi john pom joevi john bond joevi seems like a nice enough guy I'm not really a fan of bond joevi's music sorry I'm not run away I'll give you run away other than that you know I can't I can't

anyway up next the nerves recap of the most recent episode of the super glossy super fake we are here for real talk about fake people Ryan Murphy's version of JFK Junior and Carolyn besets love story

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“there is a key scene we did not have time to get into from episode four when we were covering”

it last week now this is a scene of Carolyn at her apartment she has left a dinner drinks with a JFK Jr having met his friends for the first time and they're trying to get her to stay and she says oh no I could possibly I've dinner with my mother making it sound like she had to go meet her mother at like a white tablecloth restaurant to have a proper dinner um and this is all part of her like being like I'm too busy for you and I don't drop my plans for the likes of

you you may be JFK Jr you know what I mean anyway anyway excuse me anyway we cut to Carolyn having dinner with what is clearly who rather is clearly her sister Lauren Lauren was twin Lisa is the surviving twin and it seems that Ryan Murphy has had the good taste to leave Lisa alone and out of this so it could be for legal reasons but you know whatever I was given the benefit of the doubt Lauren

and Carolyn's mother this is the first time we're seeing Carolyn's mother and Messina played

by constant zimmer um and so the dinner is Carolyn eating takeout Chinese barefoot on her floor and her mother folding her daughter's laundry but really trying to get Carolyn to see the light when it comes to dating John F Kennedy Jr here we go Carolyn's uh hang out John again John sorry Kennedy Jr show clarified well what happened to the uh movie star that he left you for nobody left anybody mm-hmm all of us were just is bad timing mm-hmm but it's good timing

now and it's different this time um Marlene is telling me that we played this on the last show I didn't recall that and I did go looking back so I'm clearly mistaken but I wanted to play it

a million miles away and she was like he's bad news for you you dated him once before

he was dating a movie star he had a serious relationship with Darrell Hanna and he dumped you he ghosted you and now you're saying it was just bad timing wake up okay we're gonna move

“we we will come back to her mother when we get to the wedding episode which I believe is happening”

this Thursday and I'm gonna have a lot to say about the wedding episode a lot episode five is called battery park which I will give it to them I think it's a clever clever episode title because um it concludes with the huge physical abusive fight physically abusive fight that those two got into in a public park in New York City we are going to begin and by the way Michael Bergen an excerpt is coming in this segment I promise you're not gonna believe it

this we open with Carolyn at Calvin Klein and um she is telling her gay male fan club consisting of the designer Narcissa Rodriguez who would go on to design Carolyn's wedding dress and Gordon Henderson who Carolyn promised would design her wedding dress and Carolyn really

“screwed Gordon over and the way this show is depicting these two is like just missing little girls”

who can't believe that their friend Carolyn is effing John F Kennedy Jr and Carolyn's acting way too cool for school maybe this is where Carol Rods will go to her tutelage you know we're

on page six but we really hate it um and don't call me the second coming of Diana even though

in real life Carolyn was obsessed with princess Diana and kind of thought she was going to become and did become the equivalent of Diana here we go I'm calling page six and demanding a retraction how hard is it? I spoke Carolyn you're on page six again? Oh no Carol the set was in page six again apparently she's seen conneodling with John Fubby's and last time they called you Caroline the shoddy journalism I'd rather they mispelled my name

“the less interested in those they are about it well they never got Diana's name right when she was”

first dating Charles and now she's not true you're going to be the American people's princess which would make us your ladies in waiting? Uh you two are demented I don't wanna keep eye on you that for as long as possible we're in a really good place a good place honey you share a home and a dog it's basically like common law marriage yeah you write a chair and out six patriotic kids at all the boats we haven't talked about any of that stuff yet

but I've never been this happy I'm going to high-end this point this weekend to meet the rest of his family squeeze squeeze squeeze but she definitely didn't want to be Mr. JFK junior she definitely didn't want all the shit that came along with that hiatus port oh my god I'm about to spontaneously combust let's take a little break and look at some of the amazing memes that have been

populating Instagram first is a woman I've never seen before but she has gone viral hair flip

becoming part of my personality roaming around the office you know flipping ones hair this way in that way and just running our fingers through it and covering our face and just you know putting pens in our mouths suggestively and like you know crawling all over desks and like hugging walls like they're not inanimate objects it's hilarious and on that one China Philips the singer wrote wait where's the lip bite oh my god it's so true a friend of mine texted it was like if I

have to see this woman bite her lip one more time and an effort to be co-cattish and sexy next Amanda Clutes did her own version of this on Instagram of Caroline Bissette just trying to languidly look like oh this hair this hair they cost at least $1,000 every six months to bleach platinum blonde and be you know like again Katie Corric here laughed and said let me show you how it's done and finally this one again an anonymous figure otherwise on Instagram channeling

inner Caroline Bissette in the office like it's a laughing stock okay this is a laughing stock now John back to um love story uh John this is the run up to the launch of George magazine

of Michael Burman this actor really does resemble him it's a very strong resemblance now Michael Burman

“per many reports was doing all the hard work and John was like really how hard is it to launch”

magazine all of you guys are doing the hard work hey I'm gonna go take off my shirt and run around central park and get my picture taken and then I'm maybe gonna go put a dog down because he's biting people in the face TVD later and um oh my dog's taking a shit in the office my assistant Rosemary is gonna just scoop up that shit like she scoops up all my other shit per love story it's here in this scene here we go okay what the fuck is that smell you're dog took a dump by the copier

oh shit that's our sorry Rosemary I'll get it I'll do it I deal with all your other shit what a woman should we get Rosie a raise she really goes above and beyond you know she's watching Friday for a weekend even though she's a cat person a raise we might not have a company in a month I don't think it's helpful for you to be this stressed out oh yeah well I don't think it's that helpful for you to be so lax fuck you I care as much as you do good that I need you to go into beast mode until the launch pull all nighters work weekends starting right

fucking now and I'm John's like cool I'm in I can do that like burn and tells him like I've been hospitalized twice with ibs because I'm so stressed out I'm doing everything here and you're doing nothing and John's like hey man all hands on deck I'm in you got me I've gotten the message and then Carolyn shows up here we go all right you got to choose the cover her sense of options of Cindy I marked down my favorites I'll show him the Carolyn so which things oh good I definitely want your girlfriend's

opinion Cindy was her idea common complaint at the office why I'm late always here because the devil

what's up kitty cat if we don't leave soon we're gonna hit Friday traffic and at that point we might as well leave tomorrow hi John are you leaving I'm taking Carolyn to high-end support I'll be back Monday relax okay so um that little exchange also by the way I mean that just goes to show you the guy it was like in one year out the other he was gonna do what he wanted to do he had a big weekend at high-end support George launching or not him wanting to be taken seriously as an entrepreneur let alone an editor

in chief or not you know that being an editor in chief working in the media it can sometimes it looks sometimes like a glamorous job from the outside there's a lot of grinding it out there are a lot of late hours there's a lot of news that breaks on weekends or holidays or late at night and if you are real journalists like you're dropping everything because that's your job you love it you're going to

“cover breaking news John no no no no and by the way so he calls her kitty cat and um I think that she”

called him in real life mouse but um she used to do this thing with Michael Burman it's in the book and

this is not the part I'm gonna read from but she would always say meow to him that like you know nothing

was sacred nothing was sacred now um Carolyn oh the the other thing about the dog in the office it's like John's dog is just running around the office taking shits on the carpet um he also had a dog named Sam now I knew somebody who worked for JFK junior way way way back before George um this was when he had his company called random ventures and he was still trying to figure out what that was going to be it was aptly named random ventures you know custom made kayaks he also had a rented dog

scheme he this is how dumb he was he proposed uh to friends he had this brilliant idea to start a company that was called rented dog and um it was for people who didn't want to commit to actually owning dogs but who loved dogs and wanted them for like maybe an hour to walk them and someone said John where did you get this idea and he said well you know every time I'm about walking my dog

people stopped me and they always wanted to talk to my dog and about my dog and they were like yeah

you know it John they want to talk to you the dog is the delivery system anyway John had a German shepherd named Sam and this dog wasn't trained properly and he would bring this dog into the office and this dog bitten employee in the face and instead of trying to rehome Sam or get him really

“trained up John put him down because that's what that's what kind of you do they put down animals”

and people who become inconvenient not for nothing is ask not dedicated to inconvenient women everywhere

Kennedy the undisputed matriarch of the family I'm going to tell you something we're not going

“to go through this scene it's not worth it but the Hickory Hill of Ryan Murphy's love story bears”

no resemblance to the real Hickory Hill the Hickory Hill in love story is white and bright and light and pristine and clean Ethel ran a house of horrors Ethel ran a literal shit show people who have been to that house will say you will see priceless rugs that were gifts from middle eastern heads of state and there's dog shit and piss all over them and Ethel was so

lazy that she would just wait for the dog shit to harden and kick the turds underneath the dining room

table her personal hygiene is was deplorable and her kids were feral okay so the idea that this

“is some American version of the crown when you see them all sitting down to what looks like a”

state dinner in an amber lit dining room not so now further in this episode Caroline calls upon Michael Bergen the male model who remains hopelessly in love with her and she caused him in this scene to flirt with him to torment him to talk about her agonies about her relationship

with JFK Jr and this scene is cooler than the director the producers the writers and the

actors will acknowledge it to be will really let it be if this had been in my hands I wouldn't made it very clear what's going on here here we go I got to go from two I should just make up and check safe appreciate my eyebrows you're when I to ease yours yeah I do Caroline's abitosh him no I swear early modeling job she was really fucked up now this next exchange feels like the writers are acknowledging the holes in Caroline's self-professed wants here we go you are the most carted an elusive woman that I have ever met how are you able to

date the most famous man in America does do I you Caroline know he has been a mariam and say yes well that makes me feel a little better what do you mean because if the most eligible bachelor in all of America can't get you to commit

“okay I didn't say no I said I think about it what's that going he's fine he's focused on his magazine”

launch in this huge press conference with like every news outlet in America so that is getting close to the real Caroline which is like she says to to Michael the boyfriend the ex boyfriend she knows is still carrying a huge torch for her he asks me to marry him as if this is terrible news and is if she's asking Michael to talk her out of it and she goes I didn't say yes and she's doing this gesture the actress Michael writes about it in his book Caroline had this tick this like real it was

like a pathological habit he would call it she would worry her skin she would like pick pinch at like hurt the skin on her forearm constantly whenever she was really really like perseverating on something and she would do it to him too she would pick and pinch at his skin and instead in that scene she's like got her arm over her shoulder and she's like go I guess that's the actress's interpretation whatever you know but then she says oh well you know so yeah he's fine with it and by the way he's about

to have press conferences with every major news outlet in America which is a fuck you to Michael who is still kind of a model trying to really really make his way in his career and that's kind of the real Caroline now I'm going to read from one of my one of the extracts in the other man that I think is the most telling and I don't know how Ryan Murphy does this series without including

over the island of Manhattan for a very long time she loved bomb Tim within the first

“three or four weeks of their relationship they spent every night together except for one”

Michael thought they were in love Michael thought they were really going places and then she would disappear she would disappear for months he would see her in the paper then she'd come back she'd have sex with him then she would disappear again months and months and months and months she did this so many times and Michael had had it and he was at a party with another woman did he know Caroline would be there yeah did he try to get a reaction out of her by showing up with another woman

sure did he deserve any of what was coming next absolutely not he writes that he and this woman named Nicole were at the bar this was back when you could still smoke indoors in New York City she

“reached first cigarette he reached for one of those small votive candles they used to put on bars”

to light Nicole cigarette before I had even set the candle down Michael writes Caroline was at my side literally shoving Nicole out of the way can I talk to you she said through cleanse teeth she didn't even wait for an answer she dragged me to the nearest corner pinned me to the wall took my face in her hands literally burying her fingernails into my skin what the fuck do you think you're doing she has and what the hell is she doing here I was mortified people were staring

Nicole was looking over at us in stunned disbelief Caroline I said this isn't cool I pulled away and crossed back to the bar Nicole decided it was her turn to rip me a new asshole

“Gordon Gordon the friend that we just saw in the top of the segment one of Caroline's you know”

gay fashion fans showed up and intervened so Michael then turns and catches a glimpse of his face in a mirror he writes I had two bloody slits on each cheek from where Caroline's nails had burst through the skin this is a model his face is his money maker Caroline is attempting to disfigure him if not permanently at least temporarily who's going to shoot a guy who looks like his girlfriend just beat the shit out of him behind me Michael writes also reflected in the mirror I found a

a saw pair of security guards hurrying towards us they are thrown out Michael is thrown out anyway he flags a passing cab jumps in goes home Michael writes I barely made it through the door when the buzzer sounded who is it I said it's me Caroline said I didn't want to let her up but she

buzzed again and again and wouldn't stop until I let her through she walked in fuming I had never

seen such rage in her eyes what is wrong with you she screamed she punched me in the chest with her small fist boom boom boom three times in quick succession how dare you parade that girl around in front of me again recall she's been dating JFK junior she's been jerking Michael around using him to get junior jealous Caroline turned Michael writes saw one of my white candles a huge candle nothing like the little ones back at the bar candles I'd purchased to protect myself from

evil spirits Caroline picked it up flung it across the room she threw it so hard that she shipped the plaster on the wall I began to move toward her but she was already reaching for candle number two I ducked as it flew past and shattered the window that looked out onto

the courtyard then she threw a third striking the mirror over the mantle the mirror we bought

together at the flea market and smashed it to bits the shards rained down on the floor there was one candle left she threw it at my feet and it gouged a two inch hunk out of the polished wood floor what is wrong with you she screamed completely losing control you like trashy girls is that it you like them dirty she turned and kicked my TV set knocking the VCR to the ground then she literally leapt into the air and came crashing down on the VCR smashing it I didn't want to be there

I didn't know how to stop her without man handling her so I did what any sane man would have

the street I was running like a marathoner really goddamn moving but the next thing I knew

“Caroline was on my ass she was gaining on me she was moving like lightning this was nuts you”

little baby she was screaming what's the matter can't you take it are you running away from me whimp run little baby run now when I tell you as I told you guys in a previous episode

“that when that fight happened between Caroline and JFK junior that very physical fight”

in a park in New York city and it hit the tabloids it hit the national media it went global there was a video of it not just photo Caroline's friends set him on themselves

“about John Junior well John now you've met the real Caroline we are going to be covering”

the real fight in the park versus the fake fight that love story would have us believe was nothing more than a lover spat that had to be had on the way to solidifying this true love

in marriage this never should have happened that does it that does it for this edition of the

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