‘She’s the One’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Wesley Morris

big picture with Sean Fantasy.

Yes. That Pod still going. We're still doing movies are happening. Yeah. Yeah, I see.

It's coming. Yeah, I see. I see. I see. I see.

I see. I see. I see. I see. Yeah, but it's S-E-A-S.

S-S. And it's set in the eyes.

“Oh, I'm like too fast to fear it, so like it.”

What's the more it's just here?

We used to work with him a long time ago back at a website called Grantland, that had podcast and video and all kinds of things. And now you're at the New York Times and you have a podcast, they're called Cannibals. Yeah. And you write things.

I do write things. I write things. What are you writing? Well, the reason that we're starting latest, because I am in the middle of trying to get published a potato salad S-E-S-E.

Yeah. Well, we'll talk about that later. Right now. We're going to talk about-- You don't want to talk about potatoes.

No. We're going to talk about the potato salad of Mid-'90s rom-coms. A movie very dear to my heart and Shawn's heart. It may be not to Wesley's, but he's promised to be nice. It's not wait to talk to you guys about this because--

And then Craig's take at the end. This is going to be elite. She's the one. His next. The male POV rom-com, almost a unicorn.

“We used to these during the female perspective.”

Appetit was able to do it with knocked out 40-year-old version. His whole universe had forgetting Sarah Marshall. We had high fidelity. We've hitched. We'll be that it might be on the rewatchables this month for all we know.

Interesting. It's a summer crazy stupid love. Occasionally, we have the rom-coms told through the lens of the men. Yeah. Something Ed Burns loved to do.

Ed Burns does it here and she's the one. His follow-up to Brother's Bikmoan, a very formative bit. Well, let Shawn start here because Shawn's a long- Island kid. Sure. Who loved Ed Burns?

Yeah. Let's just do the Shawn Ed Burns calm. Yeah. What's through it? What's going on?

Let's just do it. Let's get it over.

“Because I'm 13 years old when the brothers make Mullen arrives in theaters.”

And after having been a thing at Sunday, huge Sundance movie that was effectively pre-bought by Fox, but still legendary story where Ed Burns was working as a PA on entertainment tonight. Hands of video cassette of a rough cut to Robert Redford, who's there promoting movie, I don't know what movie it was.

Make a shot, Bob. So big shot, Bob, who, of course, founded and runs the Sundance film festival, takes the tape, hands it to one of his folks who works at the festival. That person watches the tape, calls Ed Burns, and says to Ed Burns, "Are you the guy who handed Robert Redford the tape?"

And he says, "Yes." And he says, "This is your movie," and he says, "Yes." And he says, "We're interested in your movie, but it said this was a rough cut. So what did you cut out?" and Ed Burns lying through his teeth as like, "Well, I finished the film."

And here are the scenes that I've cut out. He's done none of this. In fact, the movie is unfinished, and he needs more money to finish the movie. Oh, wow. So he lies to the guy from Sundance.

The guy hears what he's going to cut out and he says, "Great." Loan behold, he makes a series of connections through people. He gets to Tom Rothman at 20th Century Fox, who gives him 50 grand for a first look deal to get this movie made. The movie goes to Sundance, massive sensation of Sundance, wins the grand jury prize.

This is all happening on Long Island and is becoming a thing on Long Island, because this is becoming one of the quintessential Long Island movies when it gets released in 1995. So she's the one, and the lead up to it is there's a lot of anticipation for it. I'm just a teenager. I'm like kind of sort of getting aware of this.

I'm aware of it because my parents are aware of it. My parents have gone to see this movie and movie theaters, everybody in Long Island, and they're dinner tables, who care about movies, obviously, are talking about it. Ed Burns is the son of a cop, just like myself. He is from a family with multiple siblings, raised Irish Catholic, obsessed with Woody Allen,

and constantly thinking about movies all day, every day, and all of his sideline jobs are to get closer to movies. Who can relate?

I mean, to me, this was incredible.

Well, I didn't, I don't know that I loved Ed Burns's movies through and through, but I felt like immediately connected to them based on the story, and it's a little bit like rooting for a sports team, where sometimes you have good seasons and sometimes you have down seasons, but the first two seasons of Ed Burns, these first two movies, I completely love.

there, Wesley, the movie you love in your 13 becomes your favorite movie for life for at least

one of them. Mine was 48 hours.

“It's critics, it's criticism proof, you can't, you can't even, you don't have access”

to your criticism brain, watching a thing that means that much to you, like even if you applied it, it wouldn't, your heart wouldn't be in it. So what was your 13 movie? 13, I would say for me, it's like 11, yeah, I guess, broadcast, that 1987, 1987, 1988, like that, that was that stretch, yeah, that, those years were like truly the greatest

years of my cultural life, and everything I saw, even the things I recognized as an 11 and 12-year-old that were shitty, I didn't care.

Mine was 80, 82, obviously, because 80 was all the comedies, then.

What was yours, Craig? Well, when I was 13, Superbad came out. Oh, yeah. We've talked about that. Yeah.

I mean, this is it. You can't, I wish that I had been able, I wish I had been 13, superbad, I was, I don't believe in too old to young, whatever, but like, I would have loved to have not had access to my brain, watching superbad. Or you could have had access to my son at, like, age eight when we let him watch Superbad,

and he was like, this is the greatest night of my life. Well, so, I think that's like a big component of these movies for me, and I think you guys will relate to this, that there's something about watching men or women who are somewhere between 10 and 20 years older than you, yeah.

“And thinking that's how adults are, and that you almost like pattern your expectations”

of adulthood, based on what you see in these movies, and you don't, you don't, you don't based on your parents, you don't based on your parents' friends, you based it on characters who you find entertaining, and then you, we talked about this when we talked about last days of disco, we're like, kind of, my whole thing is Chris Igonman characters from 1990s. Oh, sure.

And like, I don't know if I was intentionally doing that, but I fell in love with those characters the same way I'm kind of fascinated by these guys. These guys are a lot less like old to me, but they're really interesting because they're really close to a lot of people I was observing in my real life. They're just 20% more on time and entertaining.

But I think I like that point of learning about relationships through movies and TV, because

like Sam and Diane's relationship and cheers was like my first most important relationship.

Good example.

“Just living through them and hoping they made it or not, and then the movie about last night”

with Roblo and to me more was like, so this is what a relationship is like, when you fall in love and you move in together, but it might be too soon, and that's just, how is it going to go? Yeah, I mean, for me, my version of that would have been Harry Metzally. I would have been 13 when that movie came out. It was fun watching people talk about watching adults talk about a thing that I hadn't

didn't understand, didn't experience yet, but new was out there somewhere for me. I also think that what you're saying Sean about, if you're going to become an artist, and it's so clear with Ed Burns like what was going on with him, I'm going to call him, Edward Burns throughout this conversation, by the way, I'm going to call him Ed. He's going to be Edward Burns all three, by the way, Ed, Eddie, and Edward, also my father's

named Edward, and he was an Ed, Eddie, and an Edward, depending on who was talking to Ed. Depending on who's to, I'm going to be Edward Burns. So I understand what you're saying about the things that you watch while you're figuring out what kind of human being to be, and then what kind of artist to be, like you learn a lot about your form to buy the art that you watch, and it's so clear to me, because I had the

same thing that happened to Edward Burns, which is like, I watched a bunch of Woody Allen movies, and all I wanted to do, watching them get to New York, I wanted to find a therapist, you know, I wanted to like explore, I wanted to like be smart in front of other people. Yes. Do you know what I mean?

Yes. There's so, and the, I don't know, you can see that Edward Burns clearly, clearly, clearly, I don't know anything about this man's life, but he must have been, if he's anything like the characters that he plays in his movies, especially the early ones, he must have been alone, you know, he must have been, if he acted like these guys, little sensitive,

smart, mildly neurotic, what was he doing at his high school?

smart lane firm to have, because my guess is he was probably a handsome guy in high school. Well, that's didn't have a lot of lady problems.

“I think his looks have thrown people off the cent with him for a minute years, and you”

could argue that in the second half of his career, it has kind of held him back in some

ways from being able to transition into some of the like movie director persona, that Wesley is describing, because most guys who make movies like Edward Burns do not look like Edward Burns, they look more like guys, no body, I think I can just say that he is the most attractive American director we've had in like, since Robert Rettford, what was funny is, yes, he wants to be Woody Allen, but Woody Allen looked like Woody Allen, yeah,

you guys left that one key piece with the Ed Burns thing, which is where I come in, because I'm probably exactly the same age as Ed Burns of this movie, he's like hardcore Gen X, yeah, and that the themes in his movies were kind of the themes that were around there, which was like Gen X, first generation who's parents, like regularly got divorced,

“fear of commitment, drifting, what did we talked about this in other movies we've done,”

like singles and reality bites, and what do I do now, or am I going? Like this character, he's driving a cab, I love the situation, I love this, he had his heart broken by some girl, now he's rashly in this girl, he beats who he's done for 24 hours, his brothers in a fucked-up love triangle, his dad's, it's all about like dysfunctional relationships, which is kind of like the lifeblood of Gen X, think this is what we had, think about the two parental relationships

in brothers McMullen and in this movie, in the first movie, the brothers McMullen opens with a conversation between his mother and her son at the father's grave site, yeah, when then we learn in that movie that the mother's gone back to Ireland to be reunited with her long-lost love,

and then in this movie, the mother and father are still together, but we never see each other,

she has anything in her face, and John Mahoney's character, the father is such a central

“primal figure in the movie, I mean he's all over the most important character in the movie because of”

the way that he has kind of shaped and informed the sons who drive all the action in the movie, and you're right, both of those relationships are broken relationships and that totally informs everything that you're talking about. And then in real life, Ed Burns, he's dating Maxine Bainses in this movie, breaks up with her dates, Heather Graham, when she's at the top of the rollercoaster's right, wow, she was probably the number one catch of the of whenever he

dated her, and then goes right down there to Christian Turlington and lives happily ever after. You've got about the two years with Lauren Holly, but we'll find it out. And Lauren Holly, another one. So he made movies with every person he fell in love with, for, well, he was the Maxine Bainsing was that was before this. He was, she was like his sounding board for the first two movies. That was his girlfriend in like 1990. Rick, I don't know what, I don't know if if I'm not saying

that Lauren Holly and he fell in love on the set, whatever happened, he's made movies with people he's falling in love with. Heather Graham was sidewalks in New York, I'm not sure if they were together at that point, but yeah, Craig, when you listen all of this, your generation doesn't have the same fair of commitment. It's kind of different. And they have other fears. Yeah, well, you have other things to worry about, I guess I was yelling fucking, we got buying a house,

pretty hard having houses, no babies, like we're committed to our phones and each other in some way. An anxiety social media, ribbing gangs of ribbing gangs of baby marriage. Look, think of all these things that I've gotten that if all these things, these fears I've got over and you're stuck. That's right, you're stuck. Our idea is that Craig got married. As funny, I watched reality bites which we've already done in this pod and I watched the only

of the last like 40 minutes of it. It was just on. I was like, you know what, I'm staying for the YouTube song because this is just a really good YouTube. And then I really got into it and Ethan Hawkewood, he sings that violent fem song and it's just fucking intense and it's really good and he disappears and then at the end, she's going to go get in a cab to go find him, but he's in the street and he just goes to this monologue. He's like, my father died, but that's not why I'm

telling you this and blah blah blah. Then I realized it would have made me cry. Then I realized what all I wanted was to be with you because I love you. And then Claude and then all of a sudden they're playing like Lisa Lobe. And I was like, the shit we're down here. That was on Turner Classic Movies like three weeks ago. So crazy. Watched it. It's really good. I, on the one hand, it's so 1993/4. Yeah. But on the other hand, like I had never, first of all, there's a few

things that you didn't know about me. I would never in a million years have chosen Ethan Hawke.

I would have chosen Benstiller and made a mistake. But that, that's kind of the point of that movie

yeah Benstiller had some good points. But Ethan Hawke wins that movie because he is,

“it's a performance. Right. And it's unfair because he gets the final, the final monologue and he”

looks like Ethan Hawke. So it's not. And he's in balance. And he's perfect 1993/94 looks like he has and shoured in two weeks. Doesn't care if he ever has a job because he's too cool. Yeah. He's too cool to care about that. But like the kissing in that movie, too. It's like a little kisser. And and a lot of you just know the cigarette breath was just coming on both sides. Well, the smoking doesn't, there's just fucking inhaling cigarettes in that movie. When I'm tired of it, he's letting

it the next one. And they're not smoking like the, the parsley cinnamon syrup. There's a fucking marble already. Well, this movie, she's the one who's also a smoker. So much smoke, but the point is like to bring it back to she's the one. This was like a really intense time. We didn't have, we didn't have the internet yet. Nobody kind of knew it was going to happen. And we would just spend a lot of time reflecting, talking, getting fixated on things. And this movie kind of fits into

that where he gets married in 24 hours. His brother's like, what the, you fucking married her, like, I don't know, it seems conceived, but now it would be like, Jared Craig got married to some

“girl he meant in a cab. He'd be like, what? Yeah. This would be like a reddit thread. Yeah. I think this”

is also, it's a system of a time where I think commitment was expected to happen much earlier in people's lives. Like that is one thing that has material to change. I don't think people who are younger now are afraid of getting married. I think they just know to take their time a little bit. Yeah. And, you know, I got married in my twenties, but I was pretty unusual amongst my friends. And this is a movie where I don't even, how Mike McGloan's character is 25 in this movie. He's acting

like he's 40 years old. Yeah. I would have make it half a million a year, 40. No. You make it half a million

a year. Yeah. And he says he's 25. And that's he's father and law, right? So there's something about that too. And like that's kind of the crisis of one owner writer's character in reality bites is like, she has to choose between these two. He's like, like, whole, she doesn't have to,

“she just graduated. Like, right? She choosing. Right. I mean, but that is, it's such an”

interesting set of models, right? I mean, because the reality bites the Gen X resistance is all about not being a boomer, right? Like a bang. It's exactly something. Yeah. I mean, I won't do what Daddy tells me to do. I'm just not going to do. Well, that's our beloved kicking and screaming. It's another one like that. These guys just trying to delay being adults. Yep. We're just going to stay in college. Even though we don't go to college anymore and

still go to the parties. Well, what's interesting to me about she's the one is there's a, there is a value system at work that is not, it is a Gen X movie on the one hand, but it's also to me it feels transitional to like this moment, right? Like every, every character in this

movie, every man in this movie is basically right now they either stormed the capital.

There's Fox News is on all day. Yeah. And the dad's definitely watching Fox News. Yeah. You know, Mike McLean is like operating a crypto, a crypto camp. Yeah, Mike McLean, Mike McLean, Mike McLean, Mike McLean might be going to jail at some point. Yeah, there's definitely some like might actually have, he might have been pardoned. Do you know what I mean? Or is it received as far as in the Wolf of Wall Street, the real life version of it as it's happening in 10 years? Yeah, I see the movie

like so close to the bone because the attitudes of the guys in the movie are just so similar, so similar. I mean, it's eerily accurate to how people from Long Island act and like the sort of like the performed masculinity that is barely hiding in security. Like the Mike McLean character is which is like a big, forsacle kind of broad comic character, but is also like eerie, documentary about three generations of Irish American men on the island. Yeah, it is so

accurate. That burns character is the one where I'm like, who is this guy? That is one that is a little bit fascinating. Yeah, because that guy is like he's kind of Bohemian. He's kind of Gen X and like laid back. He should be living in silver like, yeah, China like right at book. But he doesn't have any talents or skills, right? He doesn't want anything and he doesn't, he knows what he doesn't want, which is a to your point bill Super Gen X, right? I know what I'm

rejected, but I don't know what I meant. Yeah, let's get away to put it. And I, I have always found

Edward Burns really fascinating because I think that whatever the void is in this character

of wondering what, which isn't the last two hours doing. Well, I mean, I think he might be a mirror in some way. I don't, I don't know. Like, he doesn't, his ambitions are not grand. He doesn't want to be the greatest or the best. He just wants to work, right? To me, this is a wild way to think about a film career, but this is the guy who is essentially like, I build houses for a living. I love building houses. You know, somebody will live in this little house that I built,

maybe I'll build a big house, but like, I don't know how to do anything else. So this is what I do. And I'm going to do the same thing. What is he made? I counted. It's like 15 movies now. 15 movies. Yeah. Still going. It's going to be this year. It's some, it's the same. I like the family. I'm not trying to judge it. Right? I'm practically pleasant. I watched it to talk to you

“guys. And it's interesting watching him evolve, but only it's not evolution. It's age. Right?”

He's becoming more seasoned. But he hasn't changed, right? Yeah. This is a very, we've never, I can't

think of a director who's had this similar, Henry Jagglom is a director that comes to mind. We're like, Henry Jagglom has a fake, right? He is making movies about Beverly Hills people, more or less, right? Like the lives of a particular class of Angelia Hills. The movies are kind of all the same movie. He gets fixated on actresses and they become the star of the movie, then you never see them again. There's not a lot of variation in tone. Sometimes the movies are funny, but most of

the time they're embarrassing. But every once in a while the clock is right twice a day. And Edward burns to me has become one of those people where like you can go in there and they'll be something there and the clearly the people who love working with him, love working with him, because he

“seems like a great person. Yeah. Well, it's in the best way to capture that to fact that a lot of the”

people who are in this movies, these are like the best versions of them. He is a way of getting really good performances. Like we'll talk about Aniston and D.S. in this, but I mean, we can talk about D.S. now. We're going to do it later, but I just think D.S.

Let's save it for later. We'll save for later, but I think she's incredible. What she's doing in this

movie is like almost like a whatever. If nobody's ever asked her to do what she's doing. I feel like one of their movie has any given something. Uh-huh. Like the harshestness. Yeah. The sharpness that she can bring. This is kind of it because the thing with her is she can be there, something about Mary. She could be the D.S. in my breast friends wedding. Or she could be this character. This is by far the most interesting version of her where she's like I'm a fucking ice queen. I'm a

killer. Yeah. I mean, the counselor. Y'all know how, but y'all know I think that's a version of that too. That is, that is an all-time performance. It goes with the European, the European bombshells. That is the best version of that that an American person has done. Cameron Diaz in the counselor. Y'all haven't seen it? Well, then I had so much stock. Yeah. You can't believe how much stock I had. I looked at it as IMDB and it's like this was really the peak and I don't really understand what happened.

Well, I don't know why he wasn't in CSI for like 11 years. I don't. I mean, I have some some details about him in the category. Yeah, Francis. Would you just watch in this movie? Would you have expected him to at least have been on law in order for like nine years? We'll save my thoughts. Okay. Can't wait. I mean, obviously he had, he just gets to do a tremendous amount of shit talking in the movie. And so as a teenager when I saw the movie, I was like, there's something very attractive here.

It's very randling clerks. Yeah. It's like some guy just gets to just have all the funny lines, even though he's kind of the buffoon of the movie. He still gets so many heaters and you can feel Ed Burns is aid going right into McClone, which is really fun. And I really just wish they made more

movies together. Yeah. He writes really well for him. The same way that I always thought Kevin Smith wrote

so well for Jason Lee and Jason Lee is never better. Oh, that's been in every Kevin Smith movie. He's so precise. Same thing. Chris Agman in all the, in that trilogy of what's still in movies is so, so good. But McClone, I mean, he obviously is best known now for his working commercials, that that it's the, it's the guy go character, right? Like, and documentary.

“Oh, my god, he's in the guy go. Yeah. That's what he's been doing for the past 10 years.”

He's done a lot of documentary narration stuff. He's got a great voice or narrator in the, in the

interesting representative of like a certain kind of like post Gordon Gecko, stock brokerie,

aspirational, it's like pre wolf of Wall Street, post Michael Douglas guy, black dark suit, slick back here. There's a very like Irish American thing to in this movie. Like, all these guys have great great hair. They're all way to pale. You know, they're all like they think they're fucking the man. We got no deep down. They're really guilt riddle. Little dick. We energy. This totally is just totally little dick. The whole thing is like Irish curse means Irish goodbye. Like,

that is the, that is the, like, the subtitle or the alternate title for the movie. Yeah, Cameron Diaz does the, what the, or a guy's a thing. She's affected enough to pick fake with Papa. And then she holds up the three. Yeah. Yeah. Um, wait, can I just say one quick, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike alone reading. It's, there's a moment where he comes over. I guess I'll just set this up. Uh, Edward, Mickey meets, um, have her, she gets into his cab.

They, they show up at the house. They used to be married. He comes over to have to house to get this television set that he left there. You know, old school, you know, not old school, but like the last of those big, big fat one, square tube to cathode, right, cathode to TVs.

“Um, comes over to get it. She's trying to get with him. He's like, I'm not, what are we doing?”

Shame on you. I'm taking this, this, not really that heavy TV. And I'm walking out of here. But he does, he do seem entertaining for about three seconds. But he, you know, it's funny is he is a good actor. But there's something, there's like one more gear in the, in the, watching a character, try to work out whether or not to do something. That's not happening here. That registers to me as a viewer of these people as as in difference, right? He should be considering this,

but I just don't think he is in the wrong world. He is trying to find some other place to be. I mean, Bill, maybe it is, maybe he should be here. He should, but California. But, but I don't know nothing interests him here. But what, what, how does this time? Anyway, so he takes the TV, is the TV's living in his place. McGlone comes over one day because he knows from Heather that the TV's gone and he's wearing this guy and his brother and his brother and his brother. He, right,

“did you, I'm trying to, let me, let me do some, like, not that low-key sleuthing to find out whether,”

not my brother fucked my mistress, but it's really his ex. Yeah. And he's like, what would you even go back there for that TV? That's pathetic. And he's like, it's like, you're, oh my God, I can't even

read my mind. I can't read it. It's like, basically, you can't afford a new TV and then he kind of

trails off. And it's kind of like, the way he trails off, it's like, you can't afford a new TV. And there's like, there's like a, you know, that he doesn't even say or like a hunt, like, there's so much hilarious regular guy judgment in that not big deal detail. Yeah. And the way that he does it is just, it's just chef's kiss. And he's kind of dumbfounded. He's kind of embarrassed for his brother, but he also doesn't really know why he's fixated on this TV except he just wants to know if

his brother fuck his mistress. Yeah. He circles back to a later in the movie when they're having an argument. And he's like, Mr. loser cab driver can't afford a new TV. It's, it's this status

“simple to him. And he's like, the only thing that really matters to me is money and, and being the”

cock of the walk, my brother who doesn't really have the same ambitions that I do, even though zolder than me, he's a loser. I'm better than him. It's important for me to be better than him.

It is like you always do the boss and you think you're better than me. Long Island has that.

We have a little bit, we don't live in the city. You know, we're very provincial. It's very blue collar. Like, there's this constant desire to go up a level and to be better than people. That is, and McGlone is just very good at representing that energy. It's a shame that David Chase never tapped into him for a supremacist. Oh, yeah. There's just so many of it. That's left on the table for him. There's gotta be a story there. There's gotta be. Sometimes, sometimes it doesn't

happen. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. You mean he went to a bunch of auditions in the part went to like Vincent Donofrio? There's like, there's a Charlie, Charlie Sheen versus him. Like, I feel like it's a little closer than maybe if you really think, oh, interesting. He just could have been

that he's such a natural TV actor. Yes. Could just see him for ten straight before say. Funny that. I mean, I got fixated on what that TV was really doing. You know, as a metaphor, I could like erection. Well, no, just like the movies and bishops into some way. Do you mean like the confusion of like how far down or in to go? Yeah. And it just really this movie

without the application of some critical and like emotional pressure from us, it kind of does

kind of live on the surface. But it's, I was saying as we were walking into Bill, like it's a great rewatchables for me and I watched it 50 times on cable television growing up because it is on the

“surface. It's a movie of lines of dialogue that you remember. It's a series of like episodic”

sequences. The stakes are so low in this movie. I mean, what are really the stakes? There's a there's she might go to Paris and that bring them. Oh, man. And he's got to figure out if he's getting divorced or not his brother. A bunch of beautiful 20 so things like stuff's probably going to work out for no matter what. Yeah. It's a, it's a very low octane movie, but it's very enjoyable. I

didn't want to just say one thing about what you're describing about Burns as an actor and maybe

we can kind of think of some extent. When you're like, you might as Burns impression after you described it. I used to do one too. So Robert Redford is not a great actor, but he is a great screen presence and he figured out one thing. And I thought about this like we did a Hall of Fame last year. I watched every movie he ever made. He understood that he was at his best when he was in pursuit of moral superiority. He could kind of represent something decent about the world. And

all of his best movies are him operating in that mold. Edward Burns didn't really figure out what that thing is that he should represent to distract from his beauty. So when you're watching him, you're like, this guy doesn't have any problems. He's married to Christy Tirlington. What emotional crisis could really be happening. They could be bringing him down to this place. And I feel this a little bit when I'm watching this movie. When this movie is, when I'm watching this

movie, I'm like, let's get away from Ed Burns and Maxine Barnes. We got to go back to Mike McClone and Jennifer Aniston. That's where the real heat, the weirdness is when John Mahoney's spinning wisdom about what it's like to be a man in America. I want to go back to that part. There's no, and I like Ed Burns on screen, but that character is kind of nothing. He's bringing just like just presence, but not psychology to the character. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's a weird

“thing because he invented the world. It's his movie. Yeah, I guess who I think that would”

you know, I'm just trying to be in a movie, but trying to do my thing. It's wrong with that. It's so funny because that is the thing that, especially in this movie, more than the other ones because I've seen like half of the Edward Burns collection, he'll be a little bit more than half. And this, this is like, you can feel him trying to channel Woody Allen here. Like, Woody Allen the act. Right. There are like, what this guy who is he older than is Mickey older than

Francis? So he's 27. Yeah. Like, it's probably like, 27 year old man from from his part of Long Island, really talking about degenerates. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's something about the, you know, the stuttering, the repetition, the stuttering that isn't really the way you're searching for a thought, it's just you're doing a bit. And I, I really love the imitation here because it's the last person you would think would be interested in impersonating Woody Allen, which is kind of

what's fascinating about Edward Burns as an actor to me. This is going to sound like a broad stroke.

“But here's the thing with Woody Allen, it's neurosis with Edward Burns, it's angst. And that is the”

difference between Jewish American, Irish American, at least where I come from. Yeah, Irish Americans are like a little angry about something. And in Edward Burns's performance, when he really comes to life, he's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. Like, he's got a little bit a,

there's a little bit of heat underneath where it's, Woody Allen is never aggressive in that

way and his performances, because it, it's not a natural component to his character that he created on. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's already up. Exactly. Edward Burns is like, even kale, even kale, even kale, and when he snaps, he really feel it because he's not supposed to snap. Yeah, but I think everywhere else, this movie literally knocks somebody out in this movie. Yeah, I mean, it's physical in what he Allen would never be. It is brother. It is his brother.

And it's like such a stage, but I, I just, you know, think it up Dorothy to your point. To your point, I feel like the thing, there are a few things underneath this movie that you know, we can, we can talk

there is, there are these subtexts that the movie wants to thinks it's satisfied by making them textual.

Like Francis, the best, I mean, well, we can talk about this later when we get to the categories. But the is Francis gay storyline is very compelling because he should just be gay. He should just, he should just be gay. I mean he wears color. I mean, the thing that signifiers of gayness are absurd, except, I mean, Sean, you can speak to this. This is also true. There are cultural assumptions about like what makes up, what makes a man a bag, right? Like, and that was a, that was a huge

aspect of the way I grew up. Well, as a person who was, who knew he was not going to have sex with Jennifer Aniston in 1995, would certainly have been maybe a red flag. Except we know he's fucking Cameron Diaz. I don't know why you can't do both. But again, this is the Catholic. This to me

“is, is like where the Woody Allen, I think, you don't want to cheat on your wife with your girlfriend?”

Well, I mean, it's interesting like Madonna or never gets explored in, in Irish American work.

But as a Catholic, that's a province of, of the, of the Catholic condition, whether you're in earlier here. But it is essentially what's happening here, right? It's, it's also like a mimic of what's in brothers McMillan, where the older brother in that movie is cheating on Connie Britain, and you're like, you have Connie Britain at home. Like, what are you doing? Who's the, who's the mistress in them? I forget the name of the actress. It's an Ed Burns flop because he's just surrounded

by beautiful women at all times. So this is just normal. But that kind of makes it interesting to me, right? Like, this is why I wish that Francis had just been gay because, but I also, I also do believe that there is a kind of curse that we've talked about this on this, like, in these conversations about these movies, there is a heterosexual curse, right? Like, we're being governed right now by a heterosexual curse. These are all men who, like, given their brothers, would all be having sex

with each other. But they are cursed to be, they're cursed to be attracted to women. And you, you, you pierce the veil in an interesting way. Yeah. But I just, I'm not signing off on this cake,

“but I admire it. I think that this movie would have really benefited by taking the risk of just”

having somebody be gay. Well, I mean, this is why sexual or some, some thing that makes them more interesting than than a regular human person. The only step by sexuality is Leslie Mann's character. That's right. That's right. But that's a good opportunity. And that's also, to me, that, that idea is actually broached in chasing Amy in an interesting way. Oh, my God. These are two guys who are in love with each other. Yeah, it is, that's the movie. Right. So, and the kind of

duality between the genders and that they're feelings towards each other and the way that those things collider don't collide. I think it's explored more interestingly in that movie. To me, this movie is much more male fantasy. Like, I think the whole movie all around is male fantasy. And Buren's gives a lot of the anxiety to the other character. And he doesn't take it on. But in this movie, look at the women that he casts in this movie. I mean, Jennifer Aniston, Cameron Diaz, Maxine

Bonds, and Leslie Mann, and Enemand Peat. And Amanda Peat, all of whom, I mean, have, they all are so beautiful in this movie. And they're so appealing in each slightly different registers for certain kind of God. They're all a different kind of. I have some material on this. Okay. Oh, bet you do. We just retreat into your wheelhouse. This is the best-looking collection of women ever in a movie. I wrote down, this is the 2012 Okay See Thunder. We're wondering why

“it had to be broken up. Why did you have to trade James Harden? I also wrote down, I was around”

the age of ever in the movie and needed oxygen at the halfway point. I didn't even know who to be in love with the most. And you have Aniston. She's after season two of friends. Everyone in their

20s is in love with her from the first two seasons of friends. But then Cameron Diaz,

who'd already been in the mask and a couple other things, in love with her too, then they bring Amanda Peat and Leslie Mann out of nowhere. And Maxine Bonds, who we've already seen from brothers with Malena, she's like, this is an embarrassment of riches. Well, we have what we have known Amanda Peat and Leslie Mann from anything else. This is the first time we had, this was like pretty early for both of them. Because I didn't remember when I saw this originally. We got to keep going

feebel star in the world at this point. Well, the first two seasons of friends. Not from the first

“two seasons of friends. But no disrespect to leprechaun police. That's really where she broke”

through the horror film left. First movie after her career took off. Film between season one and season two. And everybody's getting her hair. Every guy's in love with her. We have no backstory with her other, with that whole cast, the only person we knew was Cordy Cox. And I wrote this down, too, single hand of the reason I saw this movie in the theater. Wow. Yeah. True star power. Yeah, I probably would have gone anyway, because I didn't have a lot going on in 1996. But

others make moan get into your atmosphere. I saw it, but I didn't have a lot going on in 1995 either.

96, it was like, oh my god. Especially if you saw the ad, it was like, everybody looks great in

this movie. It burns. I'm going great job. But Burn said, I knew who she was, hadn't seen the show. I rented, I didn't rent, I bought independent ed, the book that he wrote about all of the movies he made, and then there were some good interviews. He could not figure out how to cast this role or the Cameron Diaz role. And Aniston came in and killed that role. We could talk about the mechanics of having a sexually frustrated wife who looked like Aniston later. And then Cameron Diaz.

So I mentioned the smoke and hot cow size queen bitch, which she tapped into. Read a hey, we're at the gilda, okay. That's kind of what they're like for, right? Like those 1940s, I should stay with this person, but I can't. Burn said, everyone else we auditioned did a real breathy Mary on the Monroe, but she got it. She knew the character would be a little more vulnerable. I don't know who's better in this movie. So I'm going to ask you guys between Aniston and Diaz.

Yeah, in terms of performance? Yeah. Oh, it's Diaz. Yeah, Diaz by my life. I mean, Jennifer Aniston is sort of making the most of a not quite stock part, but because that's the

“case though because she's got nothing to work with. And I think it's a really good character.”

It is like, I like her relationship with her family. Like, those scenes are nice. I agree. I would. But yeah, Diaz is it's meaningful. It's it's not nothing to me that he goes through a lot of rigmarole to go get that television set and haul it back to his apartment from her from Cameron Diaz's place. There's so many like the things that are familiar to me from from television relationships. Yeah. That like it's a sort of thing that makes it a movie as you've got these relationships

like intercut with each other. I'll also say I think the best part of the performance of Burns is giving his opposite Diaz the scene that Wesley talked about when he goes up to the room and then near the end of the film, which is one of my favorite scenes in the movie when the two of them were back together and they have an almost worthless scene. Right. It's the last like 40 seconds they're not talking and she physically like kind of moves closer to him. In that scene, I was like,

oh this is this is like who Edward Burns could have been as a director. Like this is so good. The camera is very gently moving. They're getting closer and closer and then the camera's getting closer and closer. She reaches for some reason. She thinks she's reaching to him and she's getting him as code. I love that scene. Burns is like it looks like it's all happening. Like in that sequence you're like, oh man, he's not maybe he's not Woody Allen. He's something different.

I don't think he really ever gets back to that moment in this filmmaking career. But part of it is because she has such gravity as a screen presence and she's bringing out something good in

“everybody in this movie. She's just really a really good counterpoint to honestly so many of the”

good male stars of the 90s and 2000s. Oh yeah. I mean, when used properly, when properly cast, even when miscast, right? Like you think about guns in New York. Like the time she's having mixed that to Capitol performance, a lot more interesting to me than if they had cast the part right. So yeah. We talked about this when we did there's something about Mary. I think she has become like legitimately underrated as an actor. Oh yeah. I've been saying

she might be the most underrated one of, because remember we always were fascinated by a

Gwyneth Paltra and how we thought she was, this was a big, when Wesley and I got to know each other and became friends. So it was like one of our passion points that we shared. Like she thought and had it. She had it cooking for years and, you know, kind of let control the steering wheel. And Diaz, like, you look back at her career now. It's all kinds of movies and really, really fun characters. She took some chances and I never should have made movies like the holiday

somebody at the, when I was at the globe wanted to know if I wanted to write about Tom Cruise

something. I was like, no. I want to write about Cameron Diaz. Right. Because Cameron Diaz is a way more interesting person for Tom Cruise to be hanging out with. Like it just makes all the sense in the world. And I, for as professional as Tom Cruise is, I would love to know so hard what it was like for him to work with a person who seems to just be making it up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like takes direction well, but just doesn't.

I'm, I'm a huge vanilla sky defender. And I feel like she really has him on his back heels. And that means, in the scenes between the two of them, especially she's starting to lose it. That's another one in another. Another, another, I forgot about that. So good in that. I just put that on 4K to get ready for our vanilla sky rewatchable. I just think that's such an interesting

“movie. And honestly, like picture another actress in her kind of age range in that part of”

vanilla sky. And it doesn't work nearly as well. Because her beauty and her intensity is what makes that stuff so good. And that movie looks like we're union of that and it seems to be like a acute adventure movie doesn't totally work. It doesn't work. But she's working it. Yeah. But this is what's interesting about her when you compare her to Meg Ryan, Julie Roberts, whoever Sandra Bullock, where she could easily just be the rom-com lead who you're like, I love that

person. I would want to spend my life spent my life for there. But she could also be the fucking crazy. She could, she could have been the girl in obsession, right? She has that. Yes, she has. Oh my god. Don't do that. She has, don't do that to us, Bill. Don't, she has this version in this movie. She could be like the goofy Charlie's Angels lady. But the thing about Cameron Diaz, it is very important to say in the same way that you like very brilliantly nailed the thing that burns,

that separates burns from from personally redford and then Allen. Yeah. The thing about

Cameron Diaz that could never allow her to be Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts, who Sandra Bullock is.

Cameron Diaz is down to fuck. Yes, pure sex appeal. Cameron Diaz, understands what sex is. She, she stands for Diaz and DTF. I mean, I just think, she played a lot of characters who were like that. And it's not, I mean, but even initially it didn't feel great because it felt like the movies didn't care that there

“was a person attached to the body. Right. You know, I think the thing that made her charming”

and something about Mary was she somehow managed to transcend the, the objectification of the part. And the fairly wrote something for her to surmount, right? But even in something like that, teacher, like, these are, that's a great movie star movie and her start him in that film in like Charlie's angels. You know, it doesn't other movies are completely predicated upon her prowess as an actor who understands how to play being sexy. You know who else has that? Kidman. Yes, we're like,

you could have put Cameron Diaz and I said, shut. And I don't know if it doesn't work. I don't know if it works with crew. No, she's not as refined as Kidman, which I think is part of that.

We've never, we've never seen her get to do that. You don't even have to go that far.

See, disagree with me. Cameron Diaz doesn't have the one thing, the thing that makes Diaz more interesting in some way than Bullock, Ryan, and Roberts. All of whom, I love, I have either come to love or just a response to another. Or a resweather spoon. The, like, she's, she's a, she's a, she's a cut different from them because of the sex. What keeps her from being Kidman is she's not willing to go completely insane, right? She doesn't have, but we're completely naked. Well, I don't know,

“but I would like the crazy set in. I think that, well, I mean, if you want to be excited, counselor when she”

fucks the car. Right. I mean, that's one of the craziest, but it's not, she has not yet there. It's not basic instinct. Craig wasn't expected that answer. The counselor when she fucked the car. It's like, I want to, she literally, she literally, octopus tentacles the car. I mean, it is, what does that mean? I'm not going to, you just got to see it. Go watch the film. You got to see it. It is one of the great performance. Is that accurate description

she had to get there. Yeah. I don't think that she had that performance in her when she was doing Charlie's angel. No, she didn't understand it. Tier point though, or I don't know that she didn't understand it. Her career and how we think about her career, which is really interesting. And this is kind of like,

“I think this is really the meeting point of our interest in movies. Exactly what we're doing right here.”

Yeah. She spent 10 years making Charlie's angel's movies and sex forces. That was where she kind of threw. And the counselor isn't a sex force, but it is, too. But it is. And bad teacher and those

movies. And then she retired. And she stopped making movies. And she took basically seven or eight

years completely off of movies. Now, she's come back to do a couple of Netflix movies since then. But going away and not really pursuing this work in her early 50s means that we don't think about her in the same way. And then she kind of gets diminished. But her body of work, I totally agree with you. Super interesting. Pretty varied. Took a lot of chances better than Julia Roberts. I think if you're going totally out of it, this is like one of those when I go on basketball

reference. And like, wow, Chris Paul made 13 on the teams. I thought it was eight. Yeah, but interestingly, I like, I like where you're, I like this, I like this comparison. But

Julia Roberts is still going to win for me. Well, because because her pretty well, and just beats

everything. But also also they went head to head and my best friend's wedding. She doesn't, but Carol Diaz doesn't have a block of it. She doesn't have a like prestige star part Oscar winner, but Charlie was his war. Well, she doesn't have that either. But Julia, you guys, Julia Roberts. And then I'm forking. It's all the hours and now. It's in order. It shows me straight. A non-order. A non-order. Oh, my God. Well, maybe, just like, Julia Roberts doesn't,

Julia Roberts, the thing that makes her great is that she had a persona to, she had a much more elastic and well-established persona, both to exploit and then subvert. Right? She was,

she very, she did enjoy the anime and you, you got it. Right. Oh, Julia's in danger in this one.

Is she like just a straight, romantic comedy person? No, she's very right. She was right. Well, she was, she was Mary Riley. Yeah. And, you know, she was Tinkerbell in a hook. But, I mean, but that was sort of like the, that was a kind of misuse of the thing that made her great as I, the speaker, like, camera is great. It's just bombshell versus America sweetheart. There are two different identities that film actresses get slotted into and how you subvert them both. It's

more challenging for the bombshell to subvert because your appeal is predicated on your looks,

“not on your essence. And so, I think Cameron is actually has a harder job, even though Julia Roberts”

is a greater and more important star in the history of movies. Here's a good way to frame it. Which, which one would your wife be less likely to say, yeah, you think of her right home? I don't think my wife would let me drive you to this women home. Cameron Diaz would be the longer pause. Meanwhile, Maxine Bains. Maxine Bains. It's tough. Like, is it bonds or Bains? I was thought it was bonds. But bonds, Katherine, Maxine Bonds.

I don't know. Harald Bains, Maxine Bonds. She created the rare character that I can't describe it at all. Oh, this is a great. I mean, no. I love Maxine Bonds character in one sentence. It's like, what do you mean? She's going to study at the store bone. Study what? I don't know. Is she flady? Is she sarcastic? Is she hard? Like, I just don't know what this character is. And it's probably the biggest flaw of the movie. She gets, I mean, we're talking about this

as a male fantasy, right? I guess I, it's what's unclear to me is what the fantasy is, right? Because the real fantasy is, I'll tell you. My brother is my best friend, right? Because there's so many scenes where like, they have the fight in his apartment, Mick and Francis. They have the fight in his apartment where Francis breaks down and says, you know, I feel terrible. You know, I feel like everything is closing in on me. This divorce has really wrecked me and, and, and Mickies,

like, you know what your problem is, your terrible person, you're cheating on your wife.

“Yeah. Is that what you should feel better? They're living alive. The next scene,”

they're in the pot. They're like walking, oh, I don't know what is it. Brooklyn Bridge or like the Brooklyn promenade? Yeah. Brooklyn Heights promenade? Like, they're together again. And they're having it, they're bonding some more. I mean, so you can say with the fantasies,

A thousand percent. I just don't know that it matters what any of these people are describing

to that. Like, what's she like? She's earnest. I mean, it's really just could hang. The same is true for her performance and brothers are following. She's just not a good actress.

“And it's, I think it's okay to say that. She does, she has no real depth as an actress. And so she”

cannot provide character to what's written on the page, which is the opposite of so many of the other actresses that are in the problem as there's every, the four other actresses in this movie, even the two that don't have a lot to do. Oh, four, yeah, four. Yeah, our all lights up. Like, Leslie Mann's like, oh, this person's going to be a star. Amanda Pete, you're like, uh, this person has it. And so Maxine bonds was in brother's

McMullan because she was dating at Burns at the time. She was the, you know, first person who read everything that he wrote. And he said during the making of that movie, the reason I cast her in that part as the girl who his character falls in love with is because I knew she would show up to work every time we were shooting. I didn't have to worry about that. She was reliable. Yeah, which is like kind of a tough thing to hear a lot, but it's like Craig said about

high fates. You're always there, Danny H. Uh, and so, you know, that, you can look at her

other work. She didn't do a lot of other notable works. She's just not a very gifted performer. And she's getting blown off the screen by a bunch of people who are red hot in their careers.

“I have a recasting couch that I'll just do now for this. I think of Maxine bonds”

in Leslie Leslie man, just switch roles and Leslie man is in the casting. It's a better movie. Well, Leslie, Leslie, man is great. Because then she's just doing weird Leslie man, the whole movie and quirky. Yeah. She's like, oh, I get it. But she just pops off the crease. Stay away, but I can't stay away. Yes. And now it makes a lot more slime readings in this movie are so good. You're like, this is a, this is a trained actor. Well, she's watching her. She was in one scene and he deliberately

wrote two extra scenes that weren't in the script because he had to get her in. Wait, we have to um, we have to get quickly to, this is the last piece of my rundown before we get to categories. Gen X indie darlings. Because Ed Burns is right smack dab in the middle of this. Sean, they have the story. The older class, the old, the seniors in this high school are Tarantino and Soderberg and Link later. Mm-hmm. And then I think the juniors and sophomores are Kevin Smith,

Ed Burns, Rodriguez, Bomb back in West Anderson. Mm-hmm. I would throw a wit stillman in there. What's the, would he a senior or a junior? He's a senior. Yes, senior. Um, what's

“a senior in West Anderson? You say what's Anderson? Yeah. I think he's a junior, but he stayed back”

a year. Soderberg, Soderberg, the senior. Yeah, and he was 19 when he graduated. Um, and then he got a video tape. He did not go to videotapes. What? It's also on this, on this movie's mind. Totally. Right. Totally. Um, but again, it doesn't have the, it doesn't have a fetish, right? It doesn't have a deep dark secret. That's Ed Burns' that's the secret sauce with him. I just want to be a good hang and talk and some people who are conflicted about relationship stuff and then 98 minutes later,

we're all going to live happily ever after and write off on a boat. Yeah. It's a dinner party movie. You know, you know, you go to a good dinner party and you're like, oh, we have like three or four really interesting conversations. Yeah. And then you walk away and you're like, well, that was over. And it was just a nice night. I had a glass of half a pin on the wire. There's also some dinner parties were like, you're just like, this is boring. I say that. Oh, sure. Did that? Did you see the

invite? I mean, yes, I mean, but again, that would be somehow doesn't go far enough. Yeah, maybe I really like that movie. That movie is also a kind of a combination of this movie. Yeah. So that high school I mentioned of Gen X and D Darlings. Um, really generation. I mean, John Singleton and Maddie Rich, I mean, there's like another, I'm just, I just made a list of like rent in the whole Hall of Center. There are no bomb box. Did you say bomb box? He did. Okay.

I'm just throwing some noron. Yeah, it's weird because Singleton, the first one. Not Indy. No, but the first movie. First movie was young and whatever, but then he just, he could make whatever movie. Well, I don't know that. Yeah. Right. I don't know. Ed Burns, even for this, I think

he had a three million dollar budget. You know, bomb back probably didn't have a big budget for the entire 90s.

It's worth noting, too, I think, that to your point about the Sundance Indy guys, the brothers and women in this movie were distributed by Fox search light and Fox search light. The first movie they ever distributed was brothers and fallen. Fox search light still exists. It was the kind of the rise of the Indy shingle under major studio organization. And so Disney had already bought mirror max. And so every studio basically over time decides, we need a smaller branch

inside of our building that looks for these kinds of movies and markets them because they can make a lot of money, you know, Paramount Vantage and you've got like all the times various things,

movies. I actually, I was going to do this later, but this was an independent ed, which I bought on Apple Books for like $6.99, which was really interesting about he makes this movie. Fox search light, they're like, you're our fucking guy. We love you. And they fill in the movie. His agents get involved. Okay. So they wanted to do the next movie. This is what he writes. My agent to set my agents aside and negotiate a Woody Allen type deal

for me in the studio, a put deal, which basically stipulated that Fox search light would green light.

Any script I wanted to make said unseen as long as the budget was under 15 million starting

“with the next movie. Five, zero, 15, 15. Okay. I'm like, so he was like, are we sure we want to do this?”

Like, they've been really good to me. Why are we playing hardball? Agent says, no, no, you're the leverage now. Let's do it. Says he has a tense phone call with Tom Rothman, who said, "What happened? Did we do good by you?" And it really uncomfortable lunch with the Fox Entertainment Chairman, who said, Bill mechanic who said, "Why would you ask for this? I thought you were part of the family." And he was like, "Look, it's my team." So Fox search like it's mad,

kind of bearish. She's the one, and then doesn't bid on the third movie. And he has this whole thing in his book about it. Like, I didn't know any better. I just trusted these stupid agents.

I had been less than as always his agents. Oh my gosh. Like, just, you and I just had a conversation

about agents before we started having this conversation. It's, it's, like, just be careful out there. Yeah, it's a tricky one. I think if Ed Burns's next couple of movies were better, he might not look back on this and quite the same way. That's just, that's a little bit of a harsh way of describing it. Well, because the next one's now looking back, which did not do well with the one. But in the moment, that was such an upsetting thing to Tom Rothman. And it was confusing.

Yeah, but also like executives saying, like, you were a part of the family is also like, I get that part of it. You know, like, movies, that's maybe shit. Yeah. So he said, so what's the right thing to do? It's got to be somewhere in the middle. It's got to be like,

“you need to pay me more or give me a little bit more flexibility. And I'll make my movie with you.”

Like that. And the agent should also know that that's what the client wants. Well, what he did is the middle ground. But he was in his mid 20s. The move would have been to go out with Tom Rothman, blah, blah, blah. But he said, she's the one, still went on a gross 9.5 million with search lights biggest hit that year. But the message was clear, I had blown it. Then the studio passed on his next movie, which was called long time nothing new. And so he got it back. He's said,

he moves to LA. He does sidewalks in New York. And then gets his mojo back in a row. It's important to say that like between like among those three movies, he manages to play like a meaningful role. And that's what the agent told him is it's safe and private right. And a couple others, because they're like, you're a lead actor, like, go this way. But he hasn't sort of. I like him and soon, right. Yeah, he's, he's a great, that's what he's doing in the school 1940.

You could work for two nights in Spielberg, New. Yes. That face. He's Robert Ryan. Yep. Yep.

“Our guys Steve Spielberg. Yes. We all hung out with him in 2006. Are we a good friend of all?”

Can we say that our guy? Our guy. Yeah. Our guys Steven Taylor's greatest director about time. You know who was an Ed Burns' guy, Roger Ebert. Two stars. Hello, this movie disappointed me. It did not dishearten me about Edward Burns as an actor or filmmaker. He knows how to move a scene. He has a nice feel for the ground level. Human touches that make his character real. She's the one plays like an overhaul of the brother's

backbone with a larger budget. And it's time for him to move on. This was what I felt when I saw it in the vicinity of brother's backbone in a way, like not kind of not new enough. But you're right. It's like a little bit of a remake in some ways of the first movie. The difference is the biggest difference to me is the characterization of a gloom. Because McMollin is this really kind of tortured, faithful Catholic young man. Yeah. And in this movie, he's Catholic and he believes

in these things because of his religion. But he's really kind of a shit heal of a guy. Yeah. And to me that the broadness of that character, I think is really effective. Like I think he really is really entertaining in this movie. I know Craig's going to say something negative against him and I'm going to get in front of that right now. But don't do a Craig. I think actually it's something that Burns like missed out on going forward in his movies. His movies get like a

little bit more sincere and serious. Yes. And they're not as funny as the funniest stuff in this movie is. Yeah. Well, I think he started living a life too. Right. I mean, I think that he was,

he's always trying to find a way to keep the movies to have some cultural lasmosis happening

Chris Amult. We're going to go back to the categories. The categories. Three million, 13 million

revenue from this movie. By the way, so this movie was successful. Category is quickly just some scenes, mostly watchable scene when we meet the fighting Fitzpatricks. Where's sister all that stuff and then the brother comes out and that first scene

“basically. That movie was supposed to be called the fighting Fitzpatricks. Right. I remember that.”

The cab ride. The Anastand and McGloan arguing about sex and makes showing up at the new bride. That's fun. Mick picking up Cameron Diaz and going to get his TV back would be my first like legitimate reward. The first one I wrote down was Heather shows up in Mickey's cab. Yeah, this is when the movie goes up a level. You're the only English speaking what guy driving a cab in New York. We're like, oh, so she's like a mean person. This is good. Let's go. She's on it.

You know what, Heather? I got to imagine it beats second dick for a living. Depends on who's dick it is. This is, I mean, character of all time. I mean, the one great thing about this character is, and a different movie she would have to atone for she would either deny that she did it. Right. Now, she doesn't care or she'd have or the or the plot would force her into atonement. Is she the hero of this movie as a question you can ask? Right. It's like,

Sharon Stone has a some basic instinct to the thought about sharing these characters. I've never just

like, I've no blood in my body. So keep trying to cut me. There's nothing to come out. Nothing to come out. Nothing to come out. I'm bloodless. I would say Heather shows a little more vulnerability than the psychotics. You're a murderer, Catherine Tramel, but it never, never known. Never convicted, but if she, but if she, if she showed up, if she showed up at Nikki's and Nikki's front door, and she certainly could do that. If she just wound up in basic instinct, yeah, basic instinct,

“derr. I think I got a Nikki. Nikki, right? Yeah. Yeah, but you caught a Nikki,”

which was her pet name for him. Like you went on the level. I would believe it. She didn't know what to do. Heather, I think we see a couple of them. Well, here's the other. Heather loves Mickey. Now, she cheated on Mickey. Yeah. But she was engaged to Mickey. I think she likes Mickey the most. She likes, she's she's loved him. Maybe not. And she's obviously a very transactional person because she marries a wealthy guy who treats her nicely and gives her orgasms. But sounds like

a, how did she say, is he 60? I hope he's older than me. I don't know. Can I just say, what are my favorite things? You haven't even done this? He's like 40 years old. This isn't the flugundoli, but it's in the realm, which is any time Mike McLean describes somebody as an animal. He doesn't like. He's an animal. He says that about Papa. It's great. Another rewatchable. McLean arguing the concept of a down cycle. She's great. We're sitting down

cycle. The Aniston Pete McLean, three, three people seen and Pete's just

going to talk about her in a second. Yeah. Um, his tits are bigger than mine. The second Mickey

had their scene that goes right into our guy, Frank Vincent. Oh, yeah. Badgering, Aniston about a sex life. We excited to see Frank Vincent. So it's it ever a time when it's like, oh, no, Frank Vincent's here. Is that where it's said? It's ever been said? But can I just say something about jeans? What world does Frank Vincent and Anita Gillette produced Jennifer Aniston? You know,

“I find out this too. I think she kind of bought it. I think she thought about it. Like, how do I”

make sense with these two? What about Amanda, Peter? You mean you think that Amanda Pete? Oh, yes, she could be all the spring that I'm helpful. I that I believe that I, um, Frank Vincent throwing 106 miles an hour in this movie. He's really good. It's it's going to be a fun day on waiters. We also have when that when making Heather together, the second time we get the maybe we made a mistake. When it's just our hero, just like, no, man, don't fall for this.

This is going to go so badly. Um, I would have fallen for it. The is Francis G. Montage right into breaking up with Aniston. It's the clone part we mentioned earlier. That's the number one. Mick finds out, um, franies with Heather. That's where we get the how do you like that Mr. loser cab driver who can afford a TV. We get the boxing gloves. You aren't ugly bitch. I pity you. You've said that to CR. My absolute favorite line of the movie. You actually said this

to a line of the movie. You were an ugly bitch. I pity you. He's going to get the fun. The perfect execution. And then the the the the the whole scene at the end that we talked about, which is my pick. You don't love her because she's unlovable. Like a hooker. No, not like a hooker. She was a hooker.

She, I mean, but there's no evidence that she was, but also the performance is so

she holds on to so much that there's a role where she might have been. Why don't you rooting for in this movie? It's like rooting for the murder and a true crime documentary. It's at the right. I hope he just could stop at the post office. He could get out of this. But what does she do that's bad? She does nothing. She does nothing. She does nothing. She's intentionally. She gives the watch to Mike McGone. She's fucking with you. She's she's yeah. This is now. She's like a cat just playing with.

“Yeah, she's talking with these guys. But I think that the movie, there are times when it”

feels like the movie really does not like women, where it's like it's a little rough on the

community sectors and it is a very mid 90s thing. And then there's other times where you're like,

he definitely affords Heather more agency power and happiness than this kind of character would ever usually get. Oh, a thousand. So we're saying super complicated. She's dead at the end of a desert by the illusion of that woman like that gets punished. And she like gets to go marry some rich guy. Yeah, Papa. Which she wanted, right? Right. She made the choice. She got what in the world of this movie. She wanted. But she still has two brothers who were assholes calling her a whore in her own house.

Sure. Look how they wind up. Yeah. Yeah. My most free watch was that scene when they're sizing each other up silently for a 30 seconds. I just think that scene's awesome. Well, it's what we're talking about. Oh, the montage. I mean, the, the, is he gay montage? Yeah. Which also has the best filmmaking. I mean, you know, it's, it's, that's a must Woody Allen. It's like, it's like movie making 101. But there's just like a two shot two shot two shot. Yeah. I'm like camera panning across the

screen and they got to get the lines out of an enough time for the camera to get from one side of the screen to the other side of the screen. Are you a good bitch? I pity you as your favorite or something I guess. Um, I, I like that that's that unspoken scene between Heather and Mickey, but the other one I love is after Franny goes back to try to reunite with Heather. And she tells him that she's engaged to Papa and that she gets in the car and he closes the car. She closes the car door and he says,

thanks for the memories. You ruined my life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is such a 90s indie movie thing that's in the trailer. Yeah. Right. Like, I remember it from the trailer. I had that for the Ruffalo Hannah Rubin, I parked her, drove her acting. You ruined my life. He really goes for it. No, the fucker. What's most of the 86 thing about this movie Wesley? Oh, man. Um, I gave you a couple options. Oh, the hair. The hair for her. I mean, also was the haircut trademarked because you'll

notice in the Jennifer Anderson, to her, could I should say? The, it's the, she did the Rachel haircut for like a year and a half because second half for season one and then all season two. You'll notice it's not fully Rachel did this movie. It's like half of it. Yeah. Like there's some claws in the contract that says you can't have a full Rachel. You can do a half a Rachel. So the hair is like a flatter on one side than it is on the other. I don't know. It's just a thing

you notice because because it was that it was that she looks important that haircut. Beautiful. She just looks just 10 out of 10 in this movie. She's also so relaxed. I have that as

most 1996 thing in this movie. She just looks amazing. Um, the TV that Ed Burns wants back

all movie that Judy TV. I'd say yeah. When you see TVs like that, are you just like what the

“fuck were they doing 30 years ago? Yeah. I remember that we said TVs like that, but it's not”

even the TV. It's like the concept of needing to go back to get the TV because the TV is so valuable. Yeah. It's so 90s. Like now it's like obviously. Yeah, TVs are so cheap and you can just like toss them out. And like the fact that that was like, I got to go back for the TV three years later. How much did it weigh? Like he's really caring. Yeah, those were heavier. He's holding that TV for like five minutes. Yeah, I also had somebody driving a cab not a

maneuver. Yeah. And then this is my favorite one, a femme fatale character named Nether. We have no Hethers anymore. Hethers are God. I have a related one, which is that in this movie there are young people who are named Connie Francis, Mickey and Renee. She'll be single one of those people under the age of 20 right now. Maybe a friend, zero others, just in Kansas. Maybe as a family name. Yeah. But I mean, those are and a Francis who's known as Franny, which I don't

“is that like a saline dress. It could be, but I think that the way that they deal with trying to”

feminize Franny and Mickey. Well, Franny and Mickey, but definitely Franny, I mean, I wrote down all, they call them sister. They call them none. They call them Princess Dora. They call them Dorothy.

is upset because he wasn't the best man at the wedding? I mean, even if it's true that there's one

or two, this is a feminization. This is another one of my takes, which is then in this movie, he's looking at Woody Allen movies, but he's like, what if I made Tony Roberts the lead and Woody Allen the site? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, so he's playing Tony Roberts and his brother's playing Woody Allen. Oh, I love this. Flood gun dialed butter on my ass. I popped some of them out the word for something I just enjoy. What do you have Sean? Um, I have a really important thing.

I love to see Irish Americans accurately portrayed on screen as guilt riddled sanctimonious weirdos who've been fucked up by their parents. It's just something I enjoy. Something I relate to.

That's a good word. I figured I figured you might have that word. I just think that like,

is he gay? It's just like, I just I just even in when it's not true. I don't even need in this movie. I need somebody. Ed Burns is listening this right now. Like, what the fuck? I was just making a movie. I was trying to get laid at their mid 20s. What's this guy doing? I do think he knows it he's doing. The Franny thing is very real. But yeah, I just think that the movie, I would love to know how far they took his sexuality before because the only reason he's straight in this movie,

“and not anything else is because it's almost a plot device. It's the only way to connect”

Heather to the brothers. Do you think they should have done a ending like Prichino shaving and cruising? Mike McGloan just staring in the bear. Actually, you're saying that because I just feel like what's his into it? Yeah, they should have he had some in because this also moved this movie came out at a really great time for indie gay movies, right? This is what it needs to be. I'm just saying that the gainess is on its mind, right? The perception of what kind of man you are

if you do or don't do the following 25 things. So what if you're miss the mid 90s was it was not in the forefront of how anyone was thinking. I remember seeing chasing Amy in a theater with unadate and not seeing the gay thing at all until she brought it up at the end and then being like, what the fuck's going on? Like literally being blindsided by it. They're like a like a Shyamalan plot twist.

“I just couldn't, I was like, what happened in the movie? But now I watch them. How did I miss this?”

There's an hour and a half. But it's in the infrastructure of the work itself. You're right, but the problem with from my experience, the problem with that idea, if it to literalize it, is he probably would be, if not cast out of his family, they would not have the same dynamic. The sort of the, because his father is such a small-minded person. He's like, yeah, what they're in, they get in towards Maxine bonds who might be from the island. Oh my god,

from the island. And that's real shit man. I mean, that's the most long island thing in this movie. That's your best scene in the movie when he's like trying to find out where she's from. Yes. What's the exact line? It's like, uh, yeah, she's, she's from the island. And Edward Burns is like, Rhode Island. Yeah. I mean, that is foreign territory also. This is movie on his back for about 20 minutes. So he's like, I got this clear. I don't worry.

Oh, yeah. But he does have that moment, though, when he's talking to Francis where he's like, it would be fine if you were. Yeah. It'd be fine if you were. And he has a moment where he's like, but I'm not. Yeah. Right. But I'm not. Right. I don't know. I just have having had that conversation with people in my life about. Oh, wow. It just seems like I don't know. I'm relating to this at a whole other. Also, I mean, can I just say, I've had sex with

Francis. Do you mean like, I had sex with the Francis? That guy. I've had sex with him. Compiling argument. All the time. Got it. Like, it's not like I'm not like grasping at straws. I am also bringing my life experience to this bitch too, boys. To be with an Irish curse.

“But um, this is a decent counter-argument. Yeah. I think I was kind of read Irish curse. Yes.”

My deep down fear is I can't satisfy this lady who is being satisfied by Papa. Yes. I'm not, I'm not even, I'm not even saying the bathroom or the vibrator. Also, the fear of the fear of sex in this movie is also such a conservative, it's a really conservative movie. Yeah. All that stuff is very literally in brothers and sisters. They're conversations about the hang-ups about Irish Catholic guys and what they're supposed to like, you know, McGlone in Brother Smith, Mullin is like,

you know, it's almost like if I masturbated as much as I wanted to, I would be banished to hell instantaneously. You know, yeah. That stuff is on Burns's mind, big time.

My flight gun dolly is the gimmick of never seeing the mom. It's his advice. Some movies and TV shows use.

never know what she looks like anything and it's, I don't know. I appreciate it. I like it too.

What's actually the best we mentioned, Diaz and Aniston, McGlone and Burns is ballbusting brothers, but putting heads. Um, I wrote John Mahoney exclamation point. Really enjoyed that guy. Yeah. He's no longer with us. He was great. He was, he's always great. I've always wanted to ask you this. Where was his say anything Oscar nomination? Like, that was a crowded year. And I go back 89. 89. That would have been, it was actually, you know,

I yellow, uh, yeah. Dead cell one. That was a year that Morgan Freeman should have been nominated, but it was so crazy that he didn't even make the cut. He was, he wasn't down. He was driving this day. See that. But anyway, Mahoney should have been great. He felt about Dan Akron and driving mistakes, he getting an Oscar nomination. He took, he took about three people's Oscar nomination. Marlon Braddo and a dryweight season. I mean, I'm sorry. Oh, my guy, Martin

Landown, crimes of misdemeanors. Oh, yes. Well, just that, just watched it. Did you look really watchable scouting? You know, that's one of my movies. Oh, I love it. That was the year

when I really started to get artsy-fartsy with movies. And that was one of my first ones.

“I was like, here's what, what he's trying to do here. I was like, I think. What he's trying.”

And that scene, I'm just like talking out of my ass. It's a ten-star fight every, every two years, every three years I watch because I'm just like, am I, am I, is it, is this, is this, is this, now I had to take my, my hardest video take as I think that's his best movie. Oh, that's not a hot take at all. I mean, it's definitely in the conversation. It's almost, I mean, I'm going to say in argument. But it's got ore back. Well, it's so weird. We fucking killed her. What do you want?

The reason she's gone. The problem's gone. The single reason it's so good is because it's both strains of Woody. It's very funny, starring Woody Allen, all the hell in all that is hilarious in that movie. And then the, the, you know, the murder plot and the, the psychology is, is legitimately, it's like all the good parts of interiors mapped onto a system. Given, given his cock, it's given his cock. Yeah, it's comedy is tragedy plus time. Yeah. But he shows him that. That is one of the funniest

in the movie. I was like, dying. He's putting Mussolini in it. I love that movie. We, we got to do that one.

It is one of the three. I'm putting the audience on press. You've never seen it, right? No, that's,

that's part of my, what's the, the best in the movie is that at this time, I do think that New York needed an inheritor of Woody Allen's throne of his legacy. Like, there's a lot of people who picked up on it, bond backs, likely, like, a lot of people who kind of like grab pieces of it. But he's, he was going for, he's going for that crown. That's my mom's biggest critique of the rewatchables is that we haven't done a Woody Allen month. And I'm like, well, not ruling it out. But to talk

about some complications, even crimes of misdemeanors. I think these, I don't know if you're all that he's hanging out with. Yep. I think it's very, I think it's very, I think it's very doable,

“because you're bringing the problems into the world. I think that's why it would be great. Like,”

finding a sponsor might be tough, but we'll work on it. The movies hold up. I watched Love and Death last night for a dying kid next to the we're doing. I mean, the movie just hold up. Can I just say the thing about Edward Burns though, as a person who loves Woody Allen, he does, is he doesn't have a crimes and misdemeanors in him. No, because he's, yeah, he's a nice guy. He's, he's, I mean, seems like a good guy. It's, it's Burns to, it's Burns to nice,

it's Burns to nice, is he too good a person to, yeah, but he's got a great life. But he's, he's made 15 films, merit at Chris Detailanton, probably is a beautiful family. So, to some, I mean, okay, five or just three schmucks talking about, he doesn't have a podcast. He's a fucking live in the life. Even into Ireland to make that golf movie, and I'm like, that seems like a good idea to me. Yeah, I was, I was jealous that day. Even in the McBallon sequel,

like Tracy Ellis Ross is randomly in that movie for a few scenes. She's great. Yeah, she's great. And he could just pull out like these great things out of just these random people they pop

“out of his movies. But again, I think in his, in his, in every, there's my word there. There is something”

you're challenging them. There's maybe a big show for him down the road, like his 35th anniversary college movie. A couple more, the Long Island dad having a real no woman on the boat. No, my life lesson. Yeah. Yeah. No woman on the boat. No, it's just, it's just understood. Yeah, I know. In the 1990s, by the way, people would have, would have said that, and nobody would have questioned it. It was like, yeah, no, dad said no woman on the boat. All right,

brother settling arguments with boxing gloves was my other one. Anything else? What saves the best? I have a question. Smoking. That's, that's my next category. Okay.

I'll tell you, Pete is ripping some heaters, though. Pete? I have as well. Aniston. I gave her her and Pete combined the 80 Falco on Copeland Award for character. They got three times hotter when they were smoking. Pete threw it off some vicious energy. But can I have a

Pete section for later? I've got a lot of movie pet peeves. Yeah. And I've never smoked a cigarette.

I grew up in a house, the smokers. I know you got to smoke. You got to smoke. I don't smoke. No, you never smoke my parents smoked a lot. So you're gonna come through the window right now, like the lady in obsession. Yeah, just come flying through. I've got a camera facing down on us. I call bullshit on 70% of smoking in movies. Oh, yeah. It's like teeth toothbrushes. It's like nobody's ever done this before. But you're gonna pretend for two hours that you know how.

Wesley, this is the secret passion of this podcast. Smoking scenes. Do you know, though, who's a great smoker? I don't know if she smokes in real life. Jennifer Aniston knows how to smoke.

“She does. She does smoke in real life. She does. She does. She did for a long time. What?”

Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, she. Oh, wow. She's a fucking hot actress.

She's a smoke cigarette. She's talking about. That's never happened. But I don't believe Amanda

Pete is a smoker in this movie. I believe Jennifer Aniston as a smoker in this movie. I believe everything Amanda Pete did. I think she's fine trying to keep it. Jennifer Aniston smoking in this movie is exquisite because it's you know what? It's patient. And it's just part of what she's doing. And she's not thinking about it. It's like an extra finger on her. But also she takes real drag. It's not perfect. And interestingly, the only person not smoking is ever burnt. Does he have

a cigar at some point? I don't even think he has a cigar. It should have had Maxine's boss smoke. 'Cause at least her character would have been doing something. Bitcoin and burger were best used to food and drink. Just a lot of bottle of beer in this movie. Yes.

“Yeah. Is that a wrong job? Is it cool enough to have bottles versus drafts? I think they're”

they're definitely communicating like these this family drinks Budweiser. They do Budweiser original.

Like that. That is what they drink. The first thing you think. We drink Big Love Ultra. There's also

a very prominent Coca Cola can right in the middle of Mickey's apartment. It's like, I'm American. That's got to have an extra 50k. There was one weird beer scene though that jumped out to me we were at the bar that Hope works at. Great bar by the way. A man named Mickey Fitzpatrick drinks a can to Guinness and Irish man named Mickey Fitzpatrick. It's a Guinness out of a can. There's an even worse one. Yeah, you might do that. When they're down on the shore with with Jennifer

Anderson's parents, Francis is drinking an ice house. And I'm like, in what I mean, I guess that's what that family would have? I did notice that as well. A little weird. What is ice house? It did to load to their water. Well, related. Can I go back to this smoking for one second? What does mean to smoke merits? Or smoke? Yeah, that's the brand. A lot of cigarette history for me in the 90s. Merits. What do a merits say about you? Merits were like marble lights, but they last

that a little longer, but same kind of people felt like they were a little better for you than the marble reds or you know the hard camels. Basically the hierarchy was Camelite marbleite merits. And if your bum and cigarettes off girls outside bars, merits or marble lights were probably the two that they were going to have. Okay. Yeah. Because merit is very apparent in this movie. The merits were good ones. I had a merit stage. My dad smoked parliments. My mom smoked

Winston's. I was remember thinking that that was that was a tough. Solid box on the merits. That was

“always good fit and genius. Oh, interesting. That's what I know. Um, the great shock order were”

most cinematic shot. That shot when they're in the brothers or it's like dusk. They're walking with the water behind them. It's like very the park shot. Yeah. It's a very good shot. I like that. I think also Maxine bonds leaning forward in the cab and you're getting them in a two shot while he's driving. I was like, this is pretty clever. Yeah. No, if I've seen this before. What do we have for the shot? Fantasy War for Stilth O'Major. It gives every movie nerd a criteria or a guy's

name. Um, sorry. I got a fight. A category that was immortalized during Steven Spielberg's appearance. Um, it really, he was delighted. John Mahoney, Anita Gillette, and Robert Wilde all starred together in another New York romance called Moonstruck, which is very clearly a kind of continuation of at least in terms of what it's interested in most, which is like, I love that. It's like all the Burns movies are about the impossibility and the inevitability of relationships. Like they're all

about that. And Moonstruck is the same thing. It's a perfect, I mean, it's a much better movie than this movie, but I love that he's kind of like tipping his cap towards that. I think his, I think his, his love. I think the other thing that sort of wonderful and frustrating about him as a filmmaker is

So many of them. And like, I didn't even think about that until you said it. I didn't make the connection among all those three, all three of those characters. Um, I don't know. It's very, it's very touching. Yeah. He loves the love of New York movies. Kid cut. You're sure to happen. It's where Best Needle Drop, uh, the petty song right after McGloan and Aniston meet Mickey's bride. And I forgot to mention Tom Pettie at the top. Yeah. He was a huge part of this movie. We got so sidetracked and

so many different ways that, uh, this Tom Pettie part where Tom Pettie apparently like Brothers McBloan burns about with them. Hey, you might give me a song and he had just done with what he do wildflowers. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is like, head off. It was going to be double album then it

“wasn't. He's like, I got all these songs. He's like, what about this one? It was great. What about this one?”

Great. Um, my wife who loves this movie, one of the reasons I'm doing this, because it's been on a lot in the house. It's, turret like Tom Pettie's a star of the movie. He just keeps popping in.

He's in the middle of this incredible research as a star. And he's like a massive star on MTV at this.

Yeah. And it's his, his music fits the movie. Mm-hmm. Makes sense. It pops in at the right time. There's not enough of it, though. I wish I were two more songs. You read some flavoring, you're in a mean like, there's some, there's some petty songs that we're getting into in my wall, which is a great song. It's like one of his great 90s hits. But then it doesn't use it as like score really. You know, it just is like interstitial music that gets you from one sequence to another.

Right. They're just coming into this 90s songs that were in like kicking and screaming had uh,

“to Freddie Johnson song. Mm-hmm. I know I got a bad reputation. All these like kind of hitting a guy,”

like, in a guitar, like just angsty or like petty, like there's some pretty Johnson. I really,

never thought about that guy in third year. That was his, that was his big hit. Yeah.

Didn't petty not write the title song, though. Wasn't it the world party guy who, yeah, he wrote, he wrote, she's the one. Oh, he's the one. So it petty is covering. I wasn't even thinking about that. And then then then that led to him doing that. That was by taking that in rage. CR and Yasie more than anything anyone's ever said about world party. World party, um, through a placement with worse PR. Yasie almost had a stroke. I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yasie almost had a stroke and encouraging. Please. I'm listening. Dang. One of my favorite albums. I love goodbye jumbos. Have a great album. Great album. How about the reality by its song? I mean, when you come back to me, one of the like the best pop in a movie song. I'm sorry. Uh, yeah. Just bad PR. Wait down. Wait down now. Wait. Yeah. Come on. I mean, I love Karl Wallinger. Was there and was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no.

I like she's the one. Either Irish goodbye. Irish goodbye. Or Irish curse. I love Irish goodbye.

“Irish goodbye. I think they can get titles. Those are both better. I think. But now and”

for it doesn't Lindsey low hand have a movie called Irish. Irish wish. Oh, I wish. Which is not our thing. What is it? It's where she plays a leprechaun. No, for real? No. It's like a crazy suit made I've seen it. Irish right now. Yeah, my wife watched it. Speaking of, I mean, I support Lindsey low hand of course. Yeah. You know, this is. I can buy as a great title. She's from Long Island. Of course. Yeah. She's a goddess to those of course. Oh my god, Mr. Burr. I like

Irish. I like Irish. Well, you have a flex category. Would you pick? Do you remember? No. Okay. Why don't you just keep moving? What? No, you know, I'm going to keep moving. Okay. The Butch is girlfriend or word for weak link of the film is Mike McLean not one. And have sex with Jennifer Anderson. 1995. You could almost read name the Butch is girlfriend to I don't want to have sex with Jennifer Anderson in 1995. Yeah. Again,

Franny's down cycle could also be a title for this man. This is actual quote. That's a very spanking the monkey like 90s indie American. He says this about Jennifer Anderson in 1995. It's like you've been driving a 74 Buick your whole life. Then you find yourself behind the wheel of a brand new Porsche. It's like, what are you talking about? Why do you are face? Why didn't Jennifer Anderson want this part? I don't know. It's clear. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like she would not have

been like she wasn't. She's got a very complicated relationship to them. She was she made a lot

of that one. She quite miraculously never got market corrected, but she was constantly downstream

of Julia Roberts who was still in her peak. And Sandra Pollock, who was getting the don't

year. But she, but they all, I mean, I was really tough to break out from that. But she was so clearly being set up as the person who was going to continue. It was strangely in a good or bad for this.

“I think it was a bigger movie star, but she just didn't make good movies. She just didn't make”

good movies. She made like 20 bad movies. The thing that happened was the movie's kept changing. I think she was unlucky. Right? Because if you watch some of the movie matters, man, taste match. She didn't pick good parts in the beginning. And she didn't pick a part to the end. I think we're the Miller's a solid. Sure. But that's way, that's also later. Yeah, and that's her playing off of

her sex. I mean, the mustard movie is what I always call it. It's just the break up. Honestly,

believe there was a, I mean, Meg Ryan was still at her pee. Sandra Pollock, Julia Roberts, what was she there? She's there. And then, I think this one. There's been marker character. There's a actress, as a movie actress. He's in the show up to like 99. I know, but that's when Aniston's start, like they're trying to push her as a star. That's true. She just got too many. She can't break through because the walls before her are too formidable. Like she,

it just makes sense that it didn't happen. The best movie she has ever been in his office space. Oh, well, and also the movies are terrible, but those horrible bosses movies, she's grated. Yeah, and those movies are huge. She became a big star. She's like a big movie star. She did,

you know, the breakup was a big hit. Like she did eventually become the thing that like you wrote

“about in the 90s. You were just like, when is this going to happen for her? Remember you're”

ready about this because she wasn't picking the right stuff, but she just, I don't know, unlike our girl, Cameron Diaz, who just made great choices for like 15 minutes. Yeah, she tried stuff. Yeah, she also, when Cameron Diaz missed, she was back 15 minutes later in something that hit hit. Yeah. What stage is the worst? We've hit most of this stuff, but that there's this whole part where Maxine bonds is trying to be jealous, because he went to the apartment, and it's like,

oh, my girlfriend's getting jealous. It's just bad. That doesn't work. And then it doesn't work. And the whole thing with her going to France, and she might come and Leslie Manor,

you would love a third. You're not in love with her. I thought I was going. Did you guys

have a relationship? It's just, we needed like three more scenes. Again, it's like to strong point. It's just not psychological enough. It just isn't, you know, because sometimes those Woody Allen movies aren't very deep either. And yet he is his influences are so much have like, they come with a psychological, like, a lot of my, it's, yeah, it's classical literature. It's Bergman. But even when it's like these those throwaway movies like Melinda and Melinda,

which comes after this movie, but like, I just think that his source materials are so much richer than even when he has no idea why he's making a movie except he too likes to build houses. There's something there that's, that's appealing one way or another. And this, this is second movie to be fair to Edward Burns. It just isn't, it doesn't have enough of even an accidental subtext. And then what's actually where's the, you could make a case the way, you know, it's from

“the male perspective. There's misogynistic case you could go if you want to get excited. Well, the”

things, Edward, the things that Mickey is saying to have her in this movie, I get it. I don't even believe this guy believes those things. Right? I just think it's hurt and flashing out. Yeah, trying to hurt her. Because he's not like that to any other character. Maybe even his brother who he has a lot of problems with. You can see his infection. What do you have for a flex category? I'll tell you. Hold on. You also can't underrate what it, what it must feel like to feel

cuckolded in that, in that masculinity environment. I don't know. I mean, that, and for, to have everybody else, no. It's an elegant segue to my, that that flex category, which is the Dennis Peck relationship test. Yes, you were doing that too. Dennis have broken up the main relationship of course Richard gear from internal affairs could break up every single relationship in this movie. I wrote down you would go four for four and hit for the cycle. Dennis, these are facts.

Hope Renee, Heather, John Mahoney's wife. No question. Leslie, man, you keep going. Don't let me talk about it. Also, Richard, you're internal affairs is free. Come on. Well, you're well, and you get a turn out and then for sport. Yeah, he would have turned that in. But in what I counted, just like he did it. Yes. So there are moments in this movie where to me Edward Burns looks like Richard gear. Do you want to mean like there's a,

there's a do we squinty pretty boy? Yeah. I mean, there is a gearness to him. Dennis Peck could have spent on reset. Dennis, the Aniston character and be like, hey, why don't we take a walk. Yeah,

things. Richard gear and Cameron Diaz. Holly, what, what were you doing? What were you doing?

Garrett had make enough movies during that run of where he just should have been Dennis Peck and none other movies. Yeah. Oh, God. Or that should have been just the TV show spin up. Dennis Peck. Dennis, Dennis Peck each week. He breaks up somebody's marriage. The Sierra thinks Luke was a

“could been hair support. How does take a word? I'll start. I think Skanky smoking hardcore”

Long Island Amanda Pete is the hottest woman in the movie. She is throwing 138 miles an hour, which I don't think anyone has ever done before. Every single moment, she's just blowing everyone off the screen. It's unbelievable. Is this like you're all that? Is this how I feel about Blake Latvian the town? She's throwing Ben Shelton's serves as what you're saying. It's this thing

ultimate Long Island girl ever and she's obviously not even from Long Island, but what's going on here?

I'm married to a Long Island girl. There's a very special elixir. It's a dangerous elixir. These girls fucked with a lot of my friends. But I mean, one, obviously, I think I think the ringer writ large. We kind of all got a crush on Amanda Pete. Amanda Pete is kind of sad. She's an extra person. She's an extra person. I'm going to our 75th anniversary team. I think she'll be. But when she's talking like Denise, who I went to high school with, like using the exact voice

that all the girls I went to high school with are using, it does kind of get underneath your skin and in an exciting way. Listen, I wish I could say it was immune to Amanda Pete, but I'm not. But I do love listening to men talk about her because you guys get really giddy and it's just the best. Like it's different from all the other actors. Amanda, I mean, just listening to men talk about it. You know, even on your friends and neighbors now, like she just doesn't give a shit

“shows us that she's up for whatever. That's what and she's been that way her whole career.”

Yeah, she's just ready to roll. There's up for whatever. What do you want to do? Great talking, no bullshit, evidently intelligent, but not uptight or pretentious in any way. Even she did somebody's podcast recently and she, I saw the clips from that. It's like,

she's just even the best at this. Yeah. I would love to see that. I've never loved her.

Spears her much in the wild. Like, awesome. So we're looking at her number one Amanda Pete, thing that jumps to mind when you think of Amanda Pete. Yeah, that's a good question. Something's got to give. I don't know. Yeah, hold nine yards. Good one. Hold nine yards. Hold nine yards. Hold nine yards. Hold nine yards. Hold nine yards. Hold nine yards. Because that's what, like, three years later, that's three years after this movie.

“Yeah. I mean, they really figured out, I mean, this movie is responsible. I think launches a lot of”

ships. Right. Right. This movie is the 92 dream team. They should have made fucking cups. Oh, they should have made a big deal. I would have wanted like a special collector's Connie Brinn cup as well. You know, can we just on a rarely in Connie Brinn to this, Brinn's just has exquisite universe cups. Brinn's Zerbex and the Zerbex and the Zerbex and New York, Heather Graham. Brinn's season weighs is just super special. Lauren Holly, I mean,

the Ed Burns collector. He's like really tough. Right. And you know, because it's funny. Or she got, he got her at her moment. Yeah. I knew it from the soaps. Laura, I was like girl from all my children. She made this movie about divorce people in their 50s that, of course, I saw because that's true. Yeah. I saw it. It's interesting. It's kind of bad, but kind of good. Who's exactly, but it's, I want to say, Gretchen Mall. Gretchen Mall is a

normal. And she's like really good. Indy rock star. Yeah. Gretchen Mall. Another one. Just like, we all know what happened, right? But the tragedy is every time you see her in something, you're like, God damn it. Yeah. Oh, she didn't, she didn't get stuff in the 2000s too when she got kind of free from some of that baggage. Oh, like, gosh. Well, in Julianna Marglies, as well, in that movie too. Yes, yes. He's like, actually, remember, she's really hot. Don't forget,

she's hot, too. Like, he just has a weird radar. But I think with Gretchen Mall, she was in the American Jiggalo TV series with Bernthad, that only me and Mallory watch. I mean, again, like, I'll watch. Oh, Gretchen Mall is great in that. Anyway, all right, we'll keep going unless you have a hotest take you one on this. I have one. Okay. Um, if Edward Berns hired a better co-writer, he'd be no bomb back right now. Hmm. Yeah, I don't even know how that is. I think you're right.

I agree. There was an opportunity for him to go right into that space. And he is a little held back by what I will describe as something that I find very relatable, which is like, he's just a

I'm looking forward to getting married. I look, I'm looking forward to buying a house. Like, there's something kind of bread into you on Long Island about a very comfortable regular lifestyle.

And he never gets too uncomfortable, whereas bomb back when he's at his best. He's like, you know,

what, I'm going to show you the worst fucking side of every person I've ever met. That is super special. And if he could have tapped into that, he would have been a much bigger and more interesting. So, Ed Berns wouldn't have had a scene with somebody smearing their seamen onto library books. No, the answer is no bill. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I think if we had introduced Joe Esther House to Ed Berns, like 1995. But he's so cool to have

two. But he saw those movies too, and he made a choice. I mean, there's a world where if I really wanted to be a filmmaker, I'm probably, I don't know what I'm doing. But I'm definitely bringing

“more jagged edge into whatever it is than woody else. That's why you love from Helmont so much.”

I'm sorry we left you out of from Helmont. I didn't need to be part of that because I felt like that was just about seeing or rewatchable months of my life. We got the rare text from Wesley on Domestine's Sterbens. I mean, gentlemen, thank you. I am a whole, I mean, I'm holding for what's the, what's the one of my queue that I haven't listened to yet? Pacific Heights. Pacific Heights? I mean, terrible. Domestine's Sterbens, my text were half. I can't believe you

did that movie. And half, thank you for doing that movie. So, thanks up, but up, casting with F's, Burnside for the two lead female roles. This was from his book Independent Ed between LA and New York. We auditioned Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Lopez, Heather Graham, Amanda Pete, Anne Hatch, Lauren Hill, and Jennifer Garner. Stop it. Lauren Hill, Lauren.

Jennifer Garner. Wow. Basically, everybody wanted to be in Ed Burn's second movie.

“And well, that was like, I have some hard answers. That's what I'm saying about Anderson. Like,”

everybody, he was our thing. He was a thing. Lauren Hill and Jennifer Lopez just did my head-in in this movie. Jennifer Lopez playing the Cameron Diaz character, intrigued. We didn't not have been intrigued. Right. No, because I, yeah, whatever. And then the other thing, he said Amanda Redford, Renee Sister, came in with her hair, tease chewing gum, speaking with a thick long-out accent. I said, that girl's great. She's

the real deal. She's like the girls that grew up with. And the casting director said, that's all I put on. That's not her accent. She's from New York City. She graduated from Columbia. And they're like, she's got it. But yeah, she, she just did it. Legends trailing off, thinking about her. And then for the theme song, they tried to get the wallflowers six to have a new heart egg. Oh, another one. Oh, wow.

Bang, or the song before they went down the penny rope. And that, you could have put all the wallflowers sides. Same as we were. So then he has old Tom Petty thing. And Ed Burns wrote, so he gets all of these songs from Tom Petty. And he writes, this was as good a start as you

can have in Hollywood. I thought this was always how it was going to be. Oh, fade to commercial.

That's heartbreaking. He tells us where we're getting pulled aside immediately after the Q&A at the first screening of the brothers McMollon. And he said, there were people lined up out the door of the theater all along the theater. And that once, I guess maybe a friend or

“representation came over to him and they were just like, don't, you have to realize it will never”

be like this again. That this is the absolute peak of this kind of experience. So cherish this moment in real time. And you know, that was kind of true. I have a question. She still said that to me during a B&B account time once. And was she right? Yeah, kidding. I have a question. I mean, I guess this is like, like, I guess this might be unanswerable. It's might be going for the movie. It's for the movie. But I mean, it's not related. It's kind of in the in the zone of what we're talking

about here. Like, I just wonder what his, does he talk about saving private Ryan? And yeah, they talked about he's trying to establish. He can also be a leading actor because they felt like that basically, but he's doing it because they're like, this will help your movies for your profiles. Is that? But did you learn anything from spending all that time on the scene? He writes about that. Yeah, he did. Okay. Cause I just would love to know more about that. Best that guy word,

obviously might be Mike McGlone. I think most people know him just as the guy from these movies and might not even know it as name is. I have Rob, two people, Rob, for Robert Wilde. Well, I'll get to him in a second. Robert Wilde, who is Mr. Deluca, the hardware store owner. Um, because he is a deck. He's in moonshot. He's a bad guy. And I fever. Yeah. Um, and then Malachi McCourt, the chauffeur. Oh, sure. Who is in Brewster's Millions? Um, he is Frank McCourt and the Angela's

they all wrote memoirs. They're kind of fixtures in New York City for a long period of time. Deont waiters. We have Frank Vincent Leslie Manor, Amanda Pete.

“I have Frank Vincent and Amanda Pete. What do you have Craig? I think it's Pete. I think it's Pete.”

I think it's Pete. Great. I mean, but I just will pour one out for Frank Vincent because he just is so

humble. Like, he's never been asked to not kill somebody or not threaten to kill somebody. And yet

that energy, he's bringing that energy to this part. And it's all aimed at weather, Francis has what it takes to be with his little girl. The part, the second scene that he's in, where he's like this downcycle nonsense. I've been with your mother for 35 years. Never had a downcycle in my life. Every morning. The daughter's like, no, oh, oh, oh, recasting counteractor city. I mentioned how Leslie Man's switch roles of Maxine were probably

better off. What if I gave you the mother of Jennifer Anderson and Amanda Pete in this movie, Susan Surranded, just for just for kids to give us. Oh, oh, this like then you're tipping it over into like it's too much because the movie came out the year after she won the Oscar, like you're just completely changing about Kathleen Turner. Oh, this is after, this is after, um, cereal mom. How about Lil Diane Keaton? Oh, great, baby. That's Marvin's room era. Diane Keaton. Too much. Little too

“awesome. I think I was just trying to think of somebody who would be a name, but none of that”

Talie Shire. No. Well, oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Now I've caught your attention. Yeah. Yeah. This is Talie Shire as as Jennifer has been in Amanda Pete's house. That's interesting. Because you don't like the thing that's great about this movie is nobody is too big at this point to tip the movie over. That was a very Bill Simmons poll. How about Talie Shire? Yeah, I was just a little threat. Yeah, that's good. She could have been really mad at the end because the dad killed Mike McGlove.

I know you did this. Uh, oh, Craig, you have Flex for your dinner. It was packed. It was packed just cleaning up on all the beta males in this movie. Half of us in a research. We did all of it. Apex Mountain. Eddie Burns. Ed Burns, yes. Oh, yeah. Maxing bonds, bands. Yes. Yeah. Man to Pete. No. Like McGlove. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Camardez, no. No. Come on, you know. Although he's unfraiser in this era. He's kind of at his. He's already happy. Yeah. Sorry to have.

Isn't 1996 also a primal fear season primal fear. Yes. Yep. Maybe it was his apex. Yeah. Long Island, just in general. Is this apex on for longer? What is apex about for long, oh, and shot? I would have to say that one, maybe just about the fucking fairy. Like 881, these two, when the islanders go for three in a row. The islanders win the trio of Stanley Cups. Oh, interesting. Four Stanley Cups. Excuse me. That's right. That's time. Right after Amidivillhor.

That's a little bit after that. Yeah. I mean, horror comes out in 79. Then the islanders go on a run. And the horror is not related to Apex Mountain. No. That's a bad thing that happened. Like that's not. That's the only reason I ever wanted to go to the island. I mean, Nancy Myers, something's got to get. Is that something's got to give or is it? No. No. It's got to get. No. It's the, isn't the Merrill Street One? Merrill Street. It's complicated. It's complicated. It's

complicated. It's not long Island. Am I crazy? Something's got to give us camera. No. No, you're right.

It's your right. I think something's got to give it to you. We don't know the answer is no.

Something's got to give us the Hamptons. It's complicated. It is Santa Barbara. Right.

“So here's the thing. The Hamptons is not long Island. Like the Hamptons is all long Island,”

but that's not a long Island movie. You know what I mean? There's it's culturally different. So long Island not claim in the way party with Michael Rubin. No. And like the sheriff's family, this movie doesn't go to the Hamptons. They go to Mont Talk. Right. There's a big difference. They can't afford to go to the Hamptons. These are these are blue color people. I was so confused by this whole part of New York that one time on the internet, I went on and I looked at a map

to try to really figure out where everything was. Because that was just, it's like long Island's here. Brooklyn's here. You've really, but long Island's not part of the Hamptons. I like what

I never do once a month. I landed New York and people are like, go that way and this and I just,

I actually had to figure it out of my head where everything was. Yeah. Brooklyn is part of the contiguous island, but it's not a part of what's delineated as long Island. The Hamptons is officially part of long Island in Suffolk County, but nobody would ever consider it that. It's its own thing. It's its own thing. Plus we have talk of North Shore South Shore, which you know, you could read that and have Scott Fitzgerald. You can also read it in Nelson to Mill novels in my dad's house.

Right. It's here, but it's fucking over there. Yeah, it's not really like Craig. It's for the elite.

Yeah. Yeah. In my apartment. Yeah. Brentwood's way down there. Okay. A couple more categories. And then we'll go. The Edmonton Reverse Dunk Award for did this movie need a random sport scene. I can't believe there's no trip to a Nix game. Can I have you. Can I have you an Islander's game? Can I have you a par three nine hole? Something. Golfing event. Sure. Yeah. Can I have you pick a basketball game where they're

on different themes? Where does this, where does this family play? Because if I'll bet you they shot one of these. He's from Valley Stream. Right. So I'm trying to think of what golf course, I mean, would he play if it's not the big sales public golf course? I mean, yeah, I guess, but Beth

he just like that's a what it's like. I like golf and it wouldn't be that good at it. Yeah, yeah,

for it. For the new course of the hard work. These guys probably suck a golf. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I just would definitely or not, they're not good. They're not good. They like playing it.

“We're there. Yeah, it's a lot of that. What's wrong with me?”

All right. Couple more Cruiser Hanks. I mean, it's both of them. Obviously it's Hanks is Mickey and Tom is Oh, yeah. God. Yeah. I had Cruiser Hanks. I had Cruiser Hanks. I had Cruiser's Mike McClone. Yeah, it's no doubt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you just being agonized? I did I don't learn more and though. Did Edward Burns need to be the star of his movies. This is another interesting question. If you take Ed Burns, he should he should he needed a writer for the Ed Burns scenes to

come in like a pretty willing goldman to come in and just read right. This is a great question.

But if he decides what I'm going to do is I'm going to write parts for movie stars. Yeah. Instead of I'm going to make Woody Allen movies where it's like kind of my world of people that I star in is our things different. If he could have kept getting, if he kept, if he could have kept pulling what he pulled here, right? And, you know, the way everybody wanted to work with Woody Allen or if he had a Diane Weast or Judy Davis, somebody who could come in on any movie, he needs them

to come in on and just dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk. Yeah. Or be a Pharaoh or me a Pharaoh while anyway. I mean, she's in crimes and misdemeanors. I mean, I mean, it also just like under

“everything about me a Pharaoh as an actor has become to me underrated. And I think that the”

way she functions in a lot of the Woody Allen movies is especially underappreciated. Next category is the Catherine Trimow, would you throw your life away for this obvious stay-way award? I just wrote yes and then I put it in parentheses, fill in whatever I think for them. Aniston is not a stay-way. She seems like a really down-earth cool girl in the movie, her character. Her character is not weird. It shows a five-to-three, yes. But the

all the others, you know, you're getting Frank Benson with her, though. Pete, good point. Yeah, you go straight to the father. No, with that, I just want to get a camera dance as the one for this. Like, could you balance each other out? Camera dance, we just throw your life away. Also, can I, can I just raise an interesting question here? Like, like, I think the more interesting movie here would have been if Mike McGloan was sleeping with a man to pee.

Why is it not a sleeping with a man to pee? That should have been the last 20 minutes. That's the missing scene in this movie. I had that in an answer for questions. When did he start fucking a man to pee? And it's probably the sequel of this movie. Well, that's when he gets murdered by Frank Benson. Yeah, that would be the end of that. Then Frank Killism. Then it's from hell, movie, right? Then it's like,

he would have been a father-in-law. It's the father-in-law. It's the father-in-law. It's the father-in-law. Almost as bad as when Vito came out of the closet in season five as a friend of season six, whatever. Yeah. Poor Vito. What was Vito? Johnny Cakes. Johnny Vito and Johnny Cakes. Johnny Cakes. Made a hell of a pancake. Yeah. Almost time for sprinkles. We watch Can't Wait. The greatest thing we've produced picking it's a drifter cab driver just got married in 24 hours.

But now he's drawing the line and maybe moving to Paris with his new bride. I think this is another

“important thing to say about what, what Edward Burns just doesn't have an interest in doing, right?”

That question slash sentence is like that movie, whatever that movie is is not this movie, right? Mm-hmm. That movie sounds weird and dangerous and cute. I mean, but not cute at all. It sounds like something freaky could happen. Yeah. This is not the exploration of the relationships here. Do not have a capacity for like very human things like darkness, fetish,

stuff. It's a device. Like the him getting married in 24 hours to a girl that he doesn't know

“is just a way to get his character to a different place and to draw this other because he just”

seems least interested in that relationship, the dynamics of it, the threat of what it is or is not to other people. You didn't think I bored of her about eight states in and it was like fuck. We should have got married. Yeah. Um, wedding Cameron Diaz is character our better choices than an old sugar daddy, you know, married Long Island Goon. I need to see the sugar daddy though. There wasn't one more gosh you could have met at a bar. But hey, how about this guy? See that we need to see the guy.

How did the creepy hardware store guy steal John Mahoney's wife? Great question. Oh, yeah, he's very loving and affectionate and shows her the attention that she loves time in her life. That that to me is my favorite detail in this movie. And it's proof that he is he is a good writer. It's nice and specific. It's just like the great story. It tells a mother's mom and about how his mother goes back to Ireland to be with her beloved. That's a great moment in MacMalon too.

He does have this kind of Irish story teller. It's almost like he's better writing about older people than the people there. He also think that the mother thing is kind of the unexplored dimension and his work somehow. And I don't know if it's like that work is being worked out through the the the the way these characters are being deployed is really about the mother relationship. I don't know. He took he does tell a story about getting to introduce his mom to Rubber Redford

and that being a real thrill when he's got MacMalon at Sundance. Heather just married Papa in the morning at a nowhere. Say I got bad this morning. We don't know she really did it. Oh, we don't know she really did it. Interesting. I mean you said it just to get him on any other

“underhanded sneaky points. We don't know she really did it. Any other nitpicks?”

No, there is that there's a paragraph in the eberture view that features like five consecutive plot logic character motivation questions. This is just like he just kind of takes the movie down fully with that one graph. Even though I find this movie incredibly enjoyable. It's not it doesn't really hold up to investigation. What does he ask? And then one of the ones that Bill had just asked the sort of like this guy who's a cab driver met this girl

targeting her driver. You know that whole thing is just it's so it's so undeveloped. Not to mention driving. She's going to fly. She has a plane ticket. She's like I'd much rather drive with you for from New York to where was it in New Orleans? It's a long fucking flight. That's like how does it mean you know apartment you know like what are these guys lives? SQL prequel prestige to be all black cast around touchable. This is an Apple TV show in

in 2006. Oh yeah. I don't think there's any question. Is this movie better the Wayne Jenkins for you the floor is saying low Robert Evern's Dr. Charles Nichols. Ted Levine or someone else.

I have Sean Fantasy is the third Fitzpatrick brother here. Yeah looking up to these idiot

older brothers. Yeah you know what you're saying? Learning all the way here. Having a little brother having that even little brother here. I was wishing for some for there to be Sean. It goes start up the boat. Hold that data. I'm looking at it. I would have been good. He could have like flirted with a man to pee. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just feels like there is a character. You can make a run in a man to pee. No question. Yeah. You can make a man to pee. Yeah somehow there's a

character missing here. Yeah that's interesting. You can make a clock. Thank you. Just want to ask her who gets it. Cameron Diaz. I wrote down like I'm going to go out and I don't even care. I just I absolutely love franny. I can't disagree with anything wasly saying I'm not saying he's the best actor of all time. He's doing he's like he's in a pressed and star just movie. He's

“doing a big comic broad performance and it's funny. I think he's really funny. No I mean I think”

he also more than I mean I think the thing that I love about Mike McGloan and Edward Burns is like

they really are in a way we'll never probably have again. These real archetypal continuations of the

beginning of the movies or at least Hollywood movies like they belong in the 30s they belong in the 40s and I don't know I mean I don't know what Edward Burns knows about himself but I think the thing he's trying to avoid is being pigeonholed as a person and responsible for like visually being on that continuum right like like performing that but it's very satisfying to experience McGloan as a person who really knows that there is like a hundred movies he could have been in

if he was born in 1919 instead of you know 1970 or whatever. Zuan oh yeah Zuan and Edward would

foreign this movie. Hope and Mickey break up so I wrote down. Probably an answer for questions. I don't

“remember what that one. Was that Burns a good actor? Yes. And this movie or was that Burns a good actor?”

I think he is a good screen presence I think you like watching him. I think he's a little hard to root for because he doesn't let himself be flawed enough or weird enough. You know? I think he needed the pressure I would say you know I lost I had it or I wrote it down. The last movie he he's only acted for himself since 2012. He has not been in anybody else's movies. I've been directed by anyone. Yeah. So I think that in the way that you wonder what

things would have been like had he worked with another with if there's co-writer it'd been did you say no a bombock? No I said he could have been in that no. He could have been. He'd had it if he had the right co-writer. I think it'd be interesting if he were interested in if acting or a thing that were important to him. I don't know that it is a risen but he clearly doesn't do it as often as he's doing the directing himself. But what if he just kept working?

“What if like once a year he just made a movie with one of the great directors?”

Well is he's in the holiday right? Yes. He's like and he's playing a lot of things. He's playing like kind of a dirt bag in the holiday and it's like Nancy Monger sees him and she sees a guy who's who's making all the best there. He lets her like control him. Yes. And like he doesn't do that

to himself in his movies. He's always a little bit different. I think the answer is yes it's

a little an answer but though because we'd never seen him test himself. I wasn't like he's like I'm making this movie it's town to Mr. Ripley. I'm gonna play Tom Ripley. No he doesn't do that. Yeah like he just there's a level he couldn't go. But what if he did want that? I don't know. What did you have for Nancy Monger? Did you have one? Did Ed Burns blow it by failing to stick with him a glow? And then does this movie love or hate women? Is something that I think is like

an open question? It's got a very uneasy relationship with one. uneasy. I think that's just the midnight. But how old is he in this movie? Like is he? Twenty-seven, twenty-eight. Yeah yeah. I mean so he's just really become developmentally an adult. I think that there is I mean it's

“important to me. Like what? Like how old are the people making my art when they're making it?”

Because it matters because it means you are primed to see the world a particular wet.

It's true but it's a movie that's called She's the one but it doesn't answer the question of who is the one. The one what though? The one what? So he's twenty-two. Twenty-seven when he made the movie twenty-eight when it was released. Right. But we don't know if we assume that it's the romantic one, the final one and the movie ends with him and his wife on a boat together who is his real-life girlfriend and they break up within a year of this movie being made. It kind of undercuts a lot of. Yeah,

yeah. Yeah. So it was not as exciting. He just really liked the Bruce Springsteen song, right. Thought it would be a good title. Right. Do you think it is the funny Fitzgerald's is better? Yes. I don't mind she's the one but average goodbye was the best one. Irish goodbye is great. Fiting fighting Fitzpatrick is too close to brothers Macmol and I'm assuming so they just like memorability and want from this movie other than the TV. Maybe the fishing

rads I don't know. Boxing gloves? Boxing gloves is good. Okay. The watch. The watch is a lot. Hello. Thank you Craig. Finstack Miyagi, Best Worse, Life Lesson, where the down cycle? Would you have no women on the boat? No women on the boat. All right. I don't get all sensitive on me now, Barbara. Double feature choices, brothers Macmolan. Look what I wrote then. Crimes of Mr. Meeners. Wow. Interesting. What about that?

I mean, I wrote this down last night. I didn't write this down when you were talking about it. I think that he's trying to do a dromity in this movie and he's struggling with the dromity. Somebody needs to die. Yeah. Somebody needs to die. Cameron Diaz needs to come in at the end of the day. We love that she doesn't suffer and she's the winner. She's the winner of the movie. Oh, sorry. I don't know if I want to

step on who I'm moving. But like no last one. That's the really the question is he's trying to do something that has gravitas and has laughs. Crimes of Mr. Meeners is the ultimate movie that has those two things working. I love that. I would go I would stay in the era and I would pair this with walking and talking. Nicole Hawke's gonna be with Anne Hayes and Katherine Keener about, you know, two friends.

This is in each other's camera. I haven't seen that one real well. He makes each other movies, right? Like we are here for each other. We need each other. If I don't have you, I don't know we can have a fight and we'll be together in the next scene again. Like it didn't happen. It doesn't

Cameron Diaz is your winner. I had Diaz as well, but I really agonized about

“McGloan or Tom Petty because I think you could make a case for either. I think there's also”

a case to say Edward Burns won the movie because he got, look what he did. Right. Look what he did. Edward is so long-term. Long-term at Burns. Short-term Cameron Diaz. Short-term Cameron Diaz. Long-term I think Edward Burns is your winner. I think Edward Burns made a movie for a major studio with these huge stars, or would soon be huge stars. That's a really kind of confirms him. And whether you like it, or don't like the next 13 movies he makes, he's been in the

firmament of American movie making for a long time now. And it's still doing. He's still making movies. Also he's making movies about a people that barely have a cinema. Do you mean everyone

ever in the long-out in the Anthem? But this was the thing, with the brothers we've fallen

though, nobody got much of. Wait, what did you say? I said he's making movies for everyone in the long-out in the Anthem. I forgot. I had one last take on this, which is like, yeah, the Long Island Director Hall fame. Oh, please. I can't even, I don't know if I could do this.

“So, I mean, there's one who stands. Are there porn directors of this?”

No, I just stand there. I didn't go that deep. Okay. I didn't go all that deep in general, literally, or figuratively. But I mean, Francis Ford Cople, of course, is number one. He's from Long Island. Francis Ford Cople graduated from North Great in a high school. Now, he went to military school and he was born into Troy because his father played in an orchestra that was funded, I think, by Ford Motors. But he mostly grew up on Long Island.

It's a good number one. Number two. I mean, it's John Cassivetti's born in New York City, but mostly grew up on Long Island. Number three is Apatau. Who's from Siasset?

Owned it proudly? Yes. That's an amazing career. One of the most influential people last

30 years in movies. Burns? How heartly? Oh, how heartly? Who is kind of the flip side? Where in Long Island? That's a good, uh, Lindenhurst. Okay. He's from Lindenhurst. And a lot of these guys are from, like, the five towns area in Asla County, not really my nephew. How heartly is a great one? Because that's in the movies. And how are they in Edward Burns or, like, these kind of weird, mirrored images of each other? You know, like all the stuff that we wish at Burns has,

how heartly is doing and, like, overdoing. And how heartly could raise you's a little bit of it, what Ed Burns has? And then the last couple Ted Demi, who is a really good filmmaker who died very young, Howard Deutsch, and, and, and the famed artists Cindy Sherman who directed it, won't be. Wait, she's from, she's from Long Island as well. And Jack Horner. Well, she's out, and she's a Hampton's person. Jack Horner. Jack Horner for a book and it's,

it's the best film I've ever had. Jack Horner. So when they're going to remember, I mean, but he feels like he's, you think, what's happening? Jack Horner, where was Jack Horner? Do you think Jack was from, like, Ohio, and he invented himself as Jack Horner in Los Angeles, or was he, like, born and bred in the valley? No, because he was late 50s, probably. You've not living in the valley in, like, 1951. When are we going to read bookie?

We did too far. I'm ready to go right now. I think. I'll do it every year. I'll do it every year. You know, it was funny. I was thinking for the 30th anniversary. If we just blind, nobody was led to prep. I don't even have an eyeshadow. If we just go and we just try to do it.

“You should have pulled the come over to my house. I wanted to do something.”

I don't even blind. Is this even, why are you making it seem like this would be like a hard thing. It would be so easy. It's just, it's like, it really would be hard to know. She's the one. So if I could do it was she's the one. This is going to be the saddest part of the podcast. When Craig gives us this take on, she's the one. Boy, here we go. I did enjoy listening to you all talk about what it meant to you guys on this movie came out, exploring the themes,

the themes of the film. I'm about to get a deal. What a wind up house. I wrote down two things. I wrote from how month continues with the script from hell. And then I wrote, ah, to be a tall decent looking white man in the 90s with a little bit of talent. I mean, so not a fan. I don't know. I mean, look, this was, by the way, you had to be their movie. I watched it with Liz and I just felt, I don't disagree with you guys. The themes are interesting

and are like fun to talk about. I genuinely just felt like the writing and the acting and the movie is like just pre-clunky and blocky and it was just like, it just, it didn't really land. I don't know if it's because I'm viewing it more from like, the objective. Despite being in these favor to the year, I'm like, I have no relationship to this, this time, this place, these people, like any of it really. So it's like 30 years later,

when you don't have the attachment of your whole, you know, like we are viewing it from completely different prisons. Yeah, but like you literally had to be in valley stream

I am with Craig. I just feel like the thing that would, well, there are two reasons that I was

excited to talk to you guys about this movie. One is, I love, I mean, I, I love listening to straight men talk about women period. It just, when it's, when it's like legit and from the heart authentic talk, I just, I enjoy it because my dream team cups analogy, that was really way through cross-country to do this fun. Like top five bills. Okay, great, thank you. It's a fun movie to chew on. I don't disagree with that. It's, it's great because it's a,

it's a cosmology movie, right? It's a bow. Yep. It's, it's the constellation of stars and how they all fit together. Like it sets up so many good discussion points. But I'm being dead serious when I say, I legitimately think that McGloan saying, what does he say? You're an ugly

fuck. How do you? Like, I legitimately laugh at that every time he says it. There's a couple

of good lines. I like when, when Aniston and him get to, when he's like, I'm, I'm having an affair and I want to get divorced and she just goes, who is he? Who is he? Yeah, who is he? He plays it really flat. No, she was great. I mean, that's a great moment. Okay, I get it. We didn't expect you to like this one. No, I was not even positive. I liked it when I saw the theater, but it just kind of, I really did. It's not great. I also think that like the moment

“in time of it is, I just like, yeah, I'm visiting this moment. And that's why we had to do the”

fucking about Edward Burns and like what he means, what he meant. The, the place he occupies that nobody else, like there just is nobody like him. You know what it would be if it was NBA, it would be the Twitter montage of Ed Burn highlights for, like Ed Burns was a part of, yeah, exactly.

It would be all like the best parts of his movie. It's all shots of humor. It was amazing. Walking

through parks with the hottest actresses of the late 1980s. So the, like, really unkind way of framing this is that you mentioned those indie stars and kind of that group of people that who came before him and all of those people in one sensor and other were really transgressive and complicated, like filmmakers who made violent movies or these really frank movies that had these like hard dark themes. And Edward Burns was like the logical conclusion of that time because he was the guy

who movie executives felt most comfortable wrapping their arms around and saying, I want to have my own Woody Allen. I want to have my, like, safe handsome, you know, East Coast Narocis movie. And that, that this kind of also signals the end of that era, you know, that the era of some stars just kind of ends with, with Edward Burns in a way. So I, and like, if you're Tom Rothman talk about getting brothers McMillan and how much it meant to him, there's an interview with him

on the, on the brothers and fellow in Blu-ray. You know, he's like, this is like him discovering Dennis Hopper or something. He's like, I found the next great voice. Yeah. And I do think that that plays a big part in kind of understanding the context and why this movie took, he's supposed to

“call. You made the key point though. You talked about some of the other guys we mentioned in the indie”

film, high school, the seniors in the juniors. Like, bomb back made a bunch of weird movies after picking and screaming. Like it took him a while and he really took all kinds of chains through all over the place. Yeah. So we're the same thing. Oh, yeah. He goes into like, he's just all over the place. No, I was like, I could throw this splitter. I can get it over in the strike zone. 98% of the time and this is my pitch and I'm in throw it. I also think that there is a kind of

he's resisting something too. Right. Like this, this movie, brothers with Mullen comes out during this, like, very important. This other very important moment for American independent movies, which is the Skazaro. Yeah. And there's no world in which a different, like, Schmedward Schmernds isn't out here doing like, you know, rape, rape, rob, and drive away. No, 15 times. No. Right. But he is so determined to uphold this other value system.

He's raised in the Catholic Church. Right. He goes to church every Sunday, just like I would. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, loved what he else. I'm in the capture of New York and relationships and people

“walking outside talking about stuff. Walking outside. Well, they, they, they're, I think brothers”

with Mullen is 75% exteriors because he's, so he didn't have to pay for lights. Which I thought was such a great idea that he had no money. That movie costs $20,000. He had no money to pay for lights. Well, we learned today that Ed Burns is maybe underrated, maybe properly rated, or maybe overrated. I will say one day. We learned that this movie had a bunch of, of great looking females in it. And we learned that Craig doesn't

care about independent film. Right. Yeah. So three things we've learned. He's that a supporter of

we gave it an earnest trial, isn't I? And halfway through, I just don't think this is landing. I'll just say one of them. I respect it. I buried a very important leader. It's not that important, but like, I was on a Sundance journey. I thought you were going to step into the

20 year committed relationship with Mike McGloan. A boy can get an amazing end to this boy can

dream. No, I was in a Sundance journey with Tom Rothman and Edward Burns. Yeah. And it was the jury that gave Couglar the fruitville station. Oh, wow. And what a fucking flex. He, they were,

“I mean, I think the hatchet's been buried. I don't know when I don't know how Edward is,”

Edward Burns is writing about it in the book. But, um, they really believed in Ryan Couglar. I will just say that they think they really did. That was, um, also, um, what happened to that guy? Who? Ryan Couglar. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. He made it. She's the one and he disappeared forever. Yeah. But that, I mean, I will give, I will give them both credit, but that Rothman talks with us a lot where it's like, you basically, and I wish he did this at fucking Sony

and he doesn't do it. And if you're listening to the Tom Rothman, if I can open up an independent

division, support it, like, that is not just Sony Pictures classics, but like investing in the

filmmaker was the whole thing. This is how Hollywood got so good in the 90s. They made these bets on these people, and they let them make two, three, four, five, six movies. Yeah. And if you don't do that, then you're not going to get better movies. You made the point about Bond back. It's the same thing. I don't want to get on my high or too much, but I really think this matters. And like, if those guys in a jury room can believe in Couglar, then why did Couglar not get a five-picture deal

immediately from a studio that was like, do whatever you want? You're a future. Nobody fucking does that. Why are you asking why Couglar didn't, because she really knows it, but it's not as though this. I know. It's like writ large. It is extremely frustrating that, well, also, like, what would it look, we're seeing what we're watching in real-time right now,

what it looks like to not do that with these directors. We're watching in real-time, because these

movies are making money. They're good. They follow the money right now, obsession, background stuff. But does he, does he have a five-picture deal? Does he, is he doing? He, he does. He has it. And isn't the next thing he does? I know too much about this. Like a Texas team saw massacre. He signed up for an A-24 movie, but he's more than likely going to make his next couple of movies. You're talking about a session. I'm talking about Curry Barker. Yeah.

More than likely to make his next two movies with Longhouse Universal. But like, and some of that was done beforehand. It's something that is being done in the aftermath of the success of the movie. And it's, I'm not saying we should go back to 1945 where somebody is in a lifetime contract with a movie studio. But it's more like, you have an executive that executive is your guy, and that person takes care of you. The, the, the, the, the, the, the example I cited all last year was Mike Deluca,

who was just like, I'm, I'm, I'm bringing in PTA for booking nights. He's getting to make Magnolia. I believe in him fully, and then you cut two 30 years later, and he's the person who is willing to pay for one battle for another. The flip side of that is when they was like, I believe in Maggie Jill and Hall and the Brad's can be awesome, and then the Brad does some work. But that's the business. But then they get scared off, and they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

No, this is the same thing that Mike Deluca does. Mike Deluca signed up Maggie Jill and

“Hall to do our next movie at Warner Brothers, because that's how he rolls. He's one of the”

only executives who is like, I'm betting on the filmmaker more than any other thing, and sometimes you miss. And it's okay. Sometimes because she, she definitely swung at that pitch. I, and I, I like the thing. I even talked about it. It's like, the movie doesn't work, but I like the she tried to set out for it. It's like we would back that movie a hundred times out of a hundred. She had a good vision for it to me. That's the thing. We paid for it. Yeah. That's just the movie. That's what I'm saying.

Like you go back to the bride and like, at the end of the year, it's going to look different than it did at the beginning of the year. That's just going to play in a whole different way when you watch it in December versus watching it when the stakes were high, and she was up against Emerald Finnell. I'm not saying it's going to make it a great movie, but I'm saying there will be some it, it subtexts will be more apparent. Like the badge, we can talk about like why it doesn't work.

I work seven more minutes of Babylon. I'm at the fifth. Is that how it works out? You're more than making your way through Babylon. Every year, I would talk seven more minutes.

“Almost at the one third point. Honestly, it's really, I know it's going to come down, but”

shame on you. Shame on you. Just, you got to just finish this. That was good. Because also like Babylon. Now I give it another chance. I mean, we don't need to go money to do this on day. Alex, he's been getting a shot. He's got enough. He's been getting a shot. He's not somebody who hasn't been getting a chance, but I think the more director should get chances the way that he gets chances to try things. Because also, like, until this year with these two guys, and who knows

did die. No, but I did talk about it. We might have even the three of us are another group of us.

“I might have talked about how sinners, weapons, and F1 is in a mistake. It's not, it's that this”

was something clearly that audiences wanted, that they wanted original movies with new stories,

that didn't have to be like, oh, you've never seen a movie with vampires or you've never seen a race

car driver movie, but that making them new and not making them attached to something old, I also think that we've brought right now. We've been, you know, I include another one of the greats. Yeah. Unfortunately, at least half of them were horror related, which I don't think is an accident. I agree with you. Does your generation still go into more movies or less movies like

that? I mean, the numbers suggest more. Like, people under 35, we're going to more movies now,

and I think the end of the superhero era is going to help is half of the reason why all this is happening.

“That's what my kids say, too. 100%. And my kids were always going to the movies from the moment they”

could drive, but I feel like they're more excited about the movies they're going to versus like, well, yeah, whatever. I think if you're old now, Jurassic Park feels old now, and I do feel like

it's finally time for new stuff. Thank God. People want to think fucking years first to get to this point.

You know, what did we see together with the, was it a King Kong movie or plan to the apes? What did we say? It was the Samuel Jackson. Yeah, we saw one of those. The Sam Jackson King Kong. It was in town. Oh, yeah. We're like, all right, let's go to that island. Yeah, that was no other movie to go to. It's like, all right, fucking go to the skull island. Yeah, that's 10 years ago. Yeah, I do think we're in an action glut because I feel like action was filled in by superheroes for

so long. A lot of the action franchises like John Wicker kind of over. We don't really have any good action franchises going right now. It's like mission and all these, and it's you know why, because we don't have

“backters. Well, yeah, well, this was I didn't want to put this in the right. Like is the original action boom going to come next?”

Like some other original. You got to go see that furious. Yeah, but you got to see the furious that now that's obviously We need more guys like that Chinese. Yes, you like have no action. Yeah, it is wide open right now. He's staring at you right now holding a gun and looking at shot. I know but this poster is saying I was here. I was like yeah, what I just don't know because also the thing about the die hard and this is important to say McTirman, so we're looking at Joel Silver Scott. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's got a screen leg and it's got

interesting people like this guy. Why is he a movie star? Mm-hmm. Do to mean like there's so many reasons this should not have "hark" talkner. "Hark" talkner? "Hark" talkner? "Hark" talkner? "Hark" talkner? "Code" out of his mind. "Great stuff." We're doing it. We're overdo to do it again. Wesley, true pleasure. Thanks for coming to see us. Sean, Fantasy, thank you. Craig, I'm still thank you. You know you didn't like our movie. Thanks to it, Eduardo, and how anybody else? Matt. Matt, we have no theme this month. But we do have a

couple other good movies coming this month, so stay tuned for the rewatchables.