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My wife was watching me watch this movie for the second and a half time this weekend. And she was like, don't you think you got it? By now, and I was like, I had it. I had it 15 viewings ago. It just feels good.

We always do this on the list between how much you love this movie.

My love for Miami Vice in this whole era and then Sean's love for free. Free, free, just like been circling this forever. Free can said, all the films that I've chosen to make are about the thin line between good and evil. Yes, that's what to live in diet. LA is about the thin line between the policeman and the criminal.

The best cops are always crossed. The best cops are the ones who are able to think like criminals. But for a quirk of fate, they might have been criminals. I mean, this is heat. This is half the movies we like.

If there was an AI that could just go into our brains and write a final draft script, crime thriller, good versus evil on cops and criminals getting too close to the line. Both ways would be the sweet spot. It would be, but I wonder whether if we had a hundred chances we'd have the the balls to make it as unredemptive and dark and cynical as this movie is,

which is still one of its greatest qualities. Red sun rising. Yeah, the beginning, red sun rising near the end.

“Important freedom movie because this is kind of it. This is the big comeback.”

This is the, I'm saving it because he had two stinkers in a row. No offense to cruising, which is obviously beloved in this house. But, you know, not even the right one. In the use of word stinker, maybe commercially anvilized. Courout, yes.

It's understood during its time. A couple, a couple, a couple of theater goers. The movie, perhaps widely reviled. Bill's eyes and picture of the combat zone this weekend. But the hairs on my arm stood up for the right cruise.

Yeah, there's an old-time Boston Twitter feed in the combat zone. No response from anybody. There has been a reclamation of cruising. There has not been a reclamation of deal of the century. Yeah. The movie that followed.

No, so it's a theater. It's a tough one. Yeah, it's a tough one. Chevny, it's almost a career under.

in the first place with French connection for this movie. Which I agree, I wrote down this is a super nasty and unflattering movie for every single person in it.

It's kind of an amazing piece of fuck you cinema.

Yeah, you're not even sure who the worst person in the movie is. And I'm still in that chart. All these viewings later. Yeah, everybody you root for, betray somebody else. Try to get somebody else killed, gets corrupted.

Probably the only person who's like most principled might be the warm to folk character in some ways. Mm-hmm. And it's a motion not only in the language and procedures of the U.S. secret service, of which there really only been like a handful of really cool movies

about secret service agents, that plus the immersion. And of now lost art for my think of counterfitting money. Yeah. And an LA in a moment that I can kind of recognize the city that I live in in this movie.

But it's so far gone that I feel like I'm nostalgic for something I never experienced.

You know, like when they're driving around, they go to like the strip clubs and the bars and the bridges and the scrap yards and everywhere that they're hanging out, you're like, oh, I can see the bones of this, like the fossils of it under the dirt. But it's so gone that it's almost like a real period piece to watch. Craig, probably didn't watch this one with Liz. I'm guessing.

No, she kept saying there's a lot of gunshots going on out there.

“When she's sitting right next door, like, would you ever ear against the door?”

Well, she was watching it pretty loud. I had to kind of lock in, because Wang Chun kicks in, you're like, Wang Chun, you know, worked the speakers. Also the car chase is quite long. And she's like, man, this car chase is going for a while. Yeah, sure is. Yeah, good enough. Yeah, I would say this is a male fan movie would be my guess. The Ben diagram of people who liked this, I'm going to say it was very good.

I did pause to show Liz her favorite show is Fraser. Yeah. I'm so used to where I am going. I did pause to bring her in to say, I'm going to ruin this. Your favorite actress. We praise Jane Leaves on this day. Well, we have Jane Leaves and Panko who was in a mad about you, mad about you for a while.

So I'll give you my history of this movie. It was just against it when it came out. And it was a Miami-Vice thing, because I love Miami-Vice. And the chronology of this movie tied to Miami-Vice is really important, because there's two reasons that didn't do well. One is MGM Ted Turner, they just didn't get behind it. They buried it, came out in November.

The other thing was Miami-Vice was too hot at this point. So Miami-Vice is this movie's filmed from late October '84 to late December '84. Yes. Miami-Vice premieres in September of '84.

“Key point. Miami-Vice not successful year one.”

Like Colty's successful. Still watched by a lot of people, never to be

not successful though, and it was very underground. I liked it because I was an only child who was home on Friday nights. And there's a lot of the time. There's a since myth busted myth that there was some litigation between the Miami-Vice. It's just not true. I'm just saying that it's a myth busted. You can see it from the dates. He's filming this. He didn't even know Miami-Vice's a thing.

So Miami-Vice becomes successful that summer in the reruns. Back when a reruns could really summer of '85. Summer of '85. The reruns get it going. A lot of people catch up. And there's real anticipation for the season two premiere, which is in New York. Tubes goes back. Pam Greer's in it. A girl from Jackie Brown, 70s icon. Sure. Two-parter. A lot of buzz. And the show hits. And it's just like a massive show.

The best show of season two was October 18th out where the buses don't run. That our straights. Brothers and arms. Maybe the best seven minutes of my life. Is this pot about Miami-Vice? Well, I'm telling you. We'll see if we do 10 minutes on date of map for this. Oh, no. Sorry, so that's October 18th. And we're kind of used to this Miami-Vice

“elevated crime. Bad guys, good guys. Who's crossing the line?”

Video. All the things that the movie does, which comes out two weeks after that dire straights episode. Yeah. And it's the first one where people are like, oh, we're making Miami-Vice movie rip off. Now, fuck this. Right. And you could feel it. I'm telling you, like, I didn't see this in the theater. Because I was like, oh, that's bullshit. They're doing the ripping off Miami-Vice. Sorry.

And meanwhile, it didn't. And I feel like it took for years and years for this to become what it became. Ebert will slowly and now, gave it four stars. Like, it was critically light. Yeah. Really widely held. Yeah. But it just didn't hit. And let's, let's be honest, it costs $6 million to make this. They made it with essentially no name actors at the time. Petersen, Pankau, and DeFore, not household names at that moment.

So I think it made a profit. It just didn't, it just didn't pop. It grew $17 million.

get into. And even when it was being rerun and it made the cable rounds in the 80s, it still felt like it was, this is just like a better Miami-Vice episode. And I really don't think it kind of took, had the legs until the 90s from a rewatchable. I mean, it has some superficial similarities in that it's just like a hard-boiled crime drama set in a very glamorous and wealthy city. And it's about duos, right? And there are a lot of, there's a lot of duos. And there's a huge

criminal enterprise that these, this duo of cops is after. But after that, like, is, it's not really that similar, right? You know, it's the taking the lawn to the own hand slash. And the hard-drapping 80s music is the other thing. Like, when Chunk just blasting throughout this, there was a couple other ones from that era, like, being in the hand was like that, that people tried to tap into whatever was going on. But I, I'm convinced that they released this movie like four months earlier.

“I think it would have been like five times more popular. Like, before the real Miami-Vice wave,”

I just think it was hard to compete with it. It's also, we've talked about this with a bunch of

movies that come out in this first half of the decade. But our concept of the 80s is much more refined

now than our concept of the 80s was in the 80s. Yeah. So this movie feels more like the French connection to me than it does. What I would think of an 80s cop movie, like, I don't know, tango and cash or something if that's late 80s, right? Like, something that's like a lot of action set pieces with guys with long hair, you know, it's like, this is more like, guys who were on their last leg trying to scam someone else at a 20 grand or like get revenge on a partner.

It's not, it's not like the big Stallone Schwarzenegger kind of action movie of the 80s. Well, you're also, this is one of the great pop culture years of all time, 84 and 85. And so many movies came out in 85 that we've done on rewatchables, you know, and just you're just fighting for attention against, you have in music, you have prints of Michael Jackson and Madonna and Steve Lewis and Springsteen. You just have these massive artists. TV is as big as it's

ever been and you have the whole Cosby Show at that point, but then Miami Vice and HBO started

this point sports is amazing. And movies could just kind of come and go. And I do feel, I do wonder

if this movie just comes out in August. Does it remember completely differently? These gritty like, movies, I don't think they hit like they would have in the 90s. Like I wonder if if heat came out in 1985, would it? I don't know. I just think there was a lot more polished alternatives to this kind of movie in that time. This is the time of internal affairs and black rain and you had a lot of much more stylized and like sleek prime dramas. And this is a really

nasty like boots on the ground kind of a movie and very purposefully so, right? It's so cheap and so like all that kind of architecture that you're talking about that feels like it's kind of ancient and covered in sweat as you go through it. It's not, it is not Miami. You know,

“it is like it is the bowels of Los Angeles. Those stars either, which yeah, I think is”

important because even if there's one star in this, I don't know, does it, does it play out definitely? It's just, it's really weird to me that this movie was a more successful being there than the 80s. Why was this a massive head? If chances were to get a hot Harrison for it, it's a completely different movie because you're bringing so much baggage with Richard Gair would have been, I have a whole take on this. Wow. Well, save it. Um, for you can said he had seen Paris

Texas by windwinders and got taken by the cinematography from Robbie Muller and that was the style he wanted. He wanted the city to be portrayed as quote, a violent, cynical wasteland under a burning sun. So Robbie. Make three movies right around this time, repo man, set in the punk rock world of Los Angeles, Paris, Texas, which is about two guys on their road trip back to California

from from the southwest and to live in Dianela. And he basically brings a European eye. So when

he shows up to LA, Freakens not like here do everything I tell you to do. This movie is all about its collaborators. It's all about weighing chillin. It's all about rock. It's all about, um, Lily Clyver who did the production design. It's like, you guys are good at what you do and you bring like a completely new eye. So all this stuff like when Jeff and Rick are walking from the basketball game talking about killing to Toro's character and prison, and they're walking by the

“mural and Watson stuff. It's like, how did you guys decide to stage this year? Like, what an eye?”

And it's like that outsider's eye to LA that makes this movie so fascinating and watch. Yeah, it's high art, low culture. Like, that's the my favorite thing. My favorite thing is when like a complete, uh, a speed comes into like a really dingy kind of world. Yeah. And there's like other people in addition, like Leslie Lincoln, glad or who he knows like a TV director now did the choreography for the dance sequence, um, Rainer Wedding who is like a very exciting German artist

and the new German wave did all the paintings for Willem to foe's character. That's a choice

cool things to look at. Yeah, because of all these choices that these people made. This is what happens when you get to like watch number 10, 10, 15, 20, or whatever when the movie is like, I'll be watching this and like they'll be talking about whatever, but I'm like looking at the shit that's

“on the desk in the secret service equipment locker room. I'm like, oh man, look at the drills and”

screwdrivers and all the stuff they've got hanging on the walls and like Pankhouse got a fill out a clipboard because he's putting the shotgun back and I'm like, this stuff feels so tactile

that you can just kind of like live in it over and over again. And you always like, say this,

this is a movie that's been completely revived because you can see it now in 4K and you can see it. It does not look like it. 4K is incredible. Yeah. By the way, I had the poster ready and it didn't show up and thought, oh no, it's fucking bullshit. I thought it. I thought we were going to have it. It's a great poster. So we had to settle for Pacino and Kilmer in the near again. You get that burning sun in the poster, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a great poster. We'll have it for maybe for the last episode

of the segment. Freaky and Sadie chose fringe areas, the interesting gardens of Watts, temple in 18th streets, the home of the Crimson Bloods, slots in Avenue and South Central, the Vincent Thomas Bridge, Terminal Island, Freeway, Bass Power plants and Womitin, Louis, San Luis, Bispo, Prison, etc. Yeah, a lot of San Pedro in this movie. Yeah. You see the San Pedro over and over. You know, you're in LA, but it doesn't, it feels like in LA that there's no Hollywood

shit. You think about the difference with this and Beverly Hills cop, which comes out the year before it's, as will be two different locations. Yeah. I mean, they shoot like, one or two things in like around where Beverly Center is. Yeah. And it waxing is supposed to live in Pasadena, but other than that, it's mostly like down by like downtown or south of that or out long beach or out there. So one of the cool things about our like, as like swingers does that too,

11 years later. Just takes you into this different part of Hollywood and all these little tiny fringe pieces of it. This was my huge case for Crimson 01, which I just feel like, you know, it's like a solid movie, but it's shot in LA and there are so many moments in that movie where you can recognize the city that we live in. This would probably be less recognizable to anybody who is living in Beverly Hills at the time, though. Would you say it was your sweet spot

when artis film and dingy places? Yeah, go to dingy places, yeah. High art, low like higher low culture. So could the jet season qualify for this or no? You could have just, you could have just been like, I'm curious. I mean, there's. Thank you. There's no, there's no, there's no artistic

“soul in the jets. That's why they're just, they're just low culture. Freedom can almost”

had a 10 picture 100 million dollar deal with 20 century fox in the studio got purchased by

Rupert Murdoch and it fell through. So he was back to be a movie by movie and option this Joe Petrovich. Petrovich, who makes a cameo in the beginning? Secret service agent who had this whole thing laid out, freaking out at the opening terrorist sequence, which we'll talk about in a second, the car chase and then, uh, focused earlier on chance and masters. William Peterson, William Defoe, nobody knew who the fuck these guys were when they made this movie and he, the Peterson

things unbelievable. So Chicago stage actor talks him in a doing it. It's 33. Nobody knows who is in Toronto. Yeah. It goes in season. He's like, that's the star of my movie. Peterson does that and man on her back to back, which we talked about. The man on her thing. And he's off very strange career after that. But, um, one thing I wrote down, I don't know if you notice this crack,

“incredible athleticism by Peterson. Like combine, I think he's like the winner of the”

conference. Calls football player. At the, oh, is that right? Calls football player. Is that what it was? At the airport, he jumps up on that railing. Yes, and runs down the entire thing. That's all one take and clearly him doing it super coordinated. I think there's a bunch just like that bridge chase down scene. Oh, yeah. It's another one. But I, I think combine he goes in as, like, a fourth rounder comes out, like, people are talking about him high first round,

super-digined. Yeah. Yeah. Like, holy shit. Five, five, five, five, two. Yeah, for him. Yeah. Also really wears the jeans in a unique way out. I don't know how he does it. He's got kind of this almost seems pigeon toad, but has style to it. It's like John Wayne. He's got, he's got, first of all,

incredible jeans movie. Yes. Two dudes are just crushing every guy. She's crunching.

You're not creating this version of LA because you're talking 80, 89 degrees every day. Just a lot of, like, undercarriage sweat. Yes. No, a man he's scared. Yeah. Yeah. You think this movie would be better if everybody is wearing like all birds joggers? Fairday dressed like JJ Reddick. Like, see, where does he rank for your all-time? He's not going to play it by the rules characters. Yes, got movies. I'll give you Marion Cabretty. I'll give you any Steven Segalcott movie.

I'll give you Popeye and French connection. I don't know who else is in there. I think chances almost unique in just how brazen he is about it. Like, he's at his house,

down the rabbit hole of crime until I find my objective. So in Popeye Doyle is constantly breaking what we consider laws now. I wonder if it's more of a depiction of like the status of a rights in New York City in the 70s, but chances up there. Well, he's at 9/10, but Dennis Peck is still a straight 10. Well, Dennis Peck is Satan. Yeah. Yeah. He's Dennis Peck's a full 10. I thought a lot about Caruso and NYPD Blue actually watching him. I feel like this is a little

“bit of like a model for that too. That's a good one. You feel like he was dirty?”

I feel like he stretched the limits of what he knows. He knows. I mean, in one of the first days and one of the great first seasons ever, but he finds out about Amy Brennerman's character and just bears the info for episode after episode because he's good sex with push the limit. Yeah. A little bit on what was ethical. Yeah, I like when the cop you just can't get a hand on it. I just look at Will and get dark. The fact that he gets to go

undercover in this and be be Mr. Jessup is great. I love it when they get into deep into their

cover stories. I've always loved this guy, obviously. And he does these first two and then he

does amazing grace and Chuck, which is a reprehensible movie. It's really awful. But does feature Alex English, playing an exhibition game with the 86 Celtics. There's five hall famers out there at the same time, Sean. I don't know. That's meaningful for you. Really, really, truly awful movie. And then he's in Long Island, which I kind of like and just kind of came and went, but is a really decent 80s sports movie. You don't like it? No, I do. I mean,

this is my hottest take. If I do it now, go. He's two movie choices away from being in the Mel Gibson, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges, Richard Gear. I mean, it's those two movies. He does those two movies. And if he doesn't do them and just does almost anything else in 86 and 87. And then makes one choice. Maybe two in 89 and 90. He's probably in the Mel Gibson zone in terms of how famous he is. Well, I'll give you the choices. He turned down Henry Hill and good fellows. Yeah,

allegedly. Well, actually. Tough one. He turned it down to do young guns, too. And he was a kind of a Kennedy's mini series. He did play back, Pat Garrett. Kennedy's mini series. It is well, he also. So he turned down a major role in he multiple sources, but I don't know what role was. And it's a great question of what role would he have turned down. I would assume it's the John Void. Uh, yeah, we're Fikner or I can't see these Roger Vansant. Yeah, but I can't see him being

chorrito at that. Fikner is interesting. I could see that there wouldn't have been Kilmer's part, right? No. No. I don't think so. He also reportedly declined an offer to play one of the characters in Platoon. So this is true. He is a gentleman. Like, it's right there. Yes. And watching him even with the foe, you're like, oh my god, what could have been in that? He turned down Platoon. So he could

do amazing grace and check and long gone. So he turned down the barangir part and Platoon or did

do they say they didn't say which one? Okay. It looks like it's unclear. He was basically like, I don't want to go to boot camp for six weeks for to do this movie. And that's the other thing with him is he's kind of like, I'm doing what I want. But the thing is, within five years after

“turning down Goodfellas, he's playing the dad and fear. And like that's how much it can change. Now”

he gets the last laugh for sure. But you're talking about like one of the major sliding doors and movie star history, I think. He does. I had so he was in fear. He's in the rap act, which I think is one of the four best HBO movies of the '80s, '90s, 2000s. He plays John Kennedy in the rap act. Yes. He's excellent in it. That movie is awesome. It's only available on YouTube. I don't think they could get the rights to the music. So you can find it YouTube. Then he's in the contender,

which he's also really good at. But the moment's kind of over at that point, what happens? He goes to CSI in 2000 and just makes all time fuck you money. Yeah. And also like like 25 million people a week watching. And the reason he works on that show is the same reason he works in the movie. He's insanely watchable. You're like, you're just locked in when he's on screen. You want to be following along his journey. You care about him, which is why. And the choice this movie makes is

a crazy one in terms of what happens to his character. Because you're so with him through this, even though he keeps breaking the rules and keeps fucking up. Like we can talk about how much he

“fucks up as a character. Yeah. But he's he's I think he's a great start. This is an amazing”

fine by Friedkin to pluck this guy out because his casting director told him to go to Ramana. For him to be like, from my partner, we should we should get my buddy John Pankow, who's like another Chicago actor, another Chicago stage actor. And it's like those guys have instant chemistry. Their initial scenes together, especially like when he's just like, I'm no snitch. You just should have told me like that whole scene in the evidence locker area of the secret

service is so good. Those guys have so much stuff going on between them. And I don't know if you

get that if you're like, here's two random guys that you have never had any really. It's like you

was the the prospect that you were talking about with with House in the draft and he was like,

I knew this was going to be your guy. Hey, cuff. Yeah. We didn't even talk about it. Yeah. We both it was our favorite guy. So I mentioned this for but Peterson has lived kind of in my relative neighborhood and would see him in different places. And it was everything you wanted where he's just clearly like, I don't act anymore. I made so much money. I have a family. I'm just living my life of having a great time. So it all worked out for him. He did great. Yeah. But I do feel like

could you have been costs are like, it's on the table. You could have been crash Davis. Yes, you could see him is Roy in field of dreams. Could his next movie been no way out? Like, yeah,

“I think there's like, can you hold a baseball bat? Can you hold a gun? Can you sit in the”

president's chair? Those are like big steps for movie stars. You could have done it any other realistically. Could you drive a car? Can like, it's him costs are Mel Gibson. There's only a few of these shows like this. Yeah. And not like a short guy like he's got some size to him. He's strong. There's a sexiness to him. I think like there's some of those guys wouldn't be able to pull off. Like the one little show's up at what's her face is Darlene Flughel's house. He's like,

I'm ready. Do you want to just do this down Craig? Craig wants to do his flex category. Yeah, really. Yeah. I think it has to hit the Dan Campbell skill for Holy shit. Are they really going for this? I do think this is like the gratuitous 80s nudity triple axles. The scene where he walks in, she's already naked. He gives her a shirt. Yeah. She puts the shirt on. Then gets out of bed. Bear asks hand on the ass to the straddle to the lay her down to the silhouette of his naked

the whole time. Yes. Underneath the straddle, you see the shadowed silhouette of his genitalia. He's going full hang and up. Yeah. It's not just like a dick shot. It's like dick and balls. So he's like apparently frequent was like, make it as real as you can stand. I listen to the commentary. He said, I'm setting the camera here. Do whatever you want. Yeah. And that is why I would use a slightly different category for this film, which is I had the Steven Sagaal hard to kill over.

“I literally had this in mind too. I think you need a better intimacy coordinator in”

2026 for these. Like the lights are set. It's one of those in the 4k blue ray where you're watching it. It's unbelievable. He's naked because you see his, you see his whole Franks and beans. Yeah.

She's definitely naked. And then she jumps on and they found it. You're like, wait a second. Was there

like, did anyone have any sort of, we were in Donald's other one, Julie Christie's own? Oh, yeah. Very clear. Yeah. Yeah. Peter. So I, this had this movie had a 48th anniversary and Peterson took his sons because I think he rebarried. It has sons and he was like, yeah, I'm excited to take my sons. I'm a little nervous. And I'm like, whoa, I think your sons are getting a little extra surprise for dad. Well, popcorn break during that scene. Yeah. Is that my mom?

Those are balls. The funny thing about that scene too is that in the final three minutes of the movie, Freakens like we're going back to that scene. Yeah. I'm believe, but yeah, he's really going for it this whole time. Great job by Peterson. No, that he gives it a shirt. She puts it on. So pretty. Yeah. It's just so she can, like, he, like, lift it, you know, and you're like,

see your ass a little bit. It's crazy. Because we always talk with actresses like, man, why didn't

“have a couple more? And I think it's more understandable and actresses because there was less good”

parts in the end. He's in the end. He's 2000. He's just get replaced by next person. It's really hard to find a leading man like a Peterson cast or Gibson name it. And it felt like he should have been on that. Now, he lives on in a couple of these movies. And then CSI, it's the jackpot. So I'm sure it worked out fine. The foe said the very beginning of his journey for Oscar nomination scenes up with what do you think for I am to be credits? What number? He works a lot. I would say

over 150. Yeah. I would say 127. I'm going to give an exact number. What's it go 170? 163. Wow. Yeah. So 84, 88. It is in streets of fire to live in that. Four decades. Two. Last temptation of Christ, the Mississippi burning. Yeah. So we have the KKK. We've been, um, we have Jesus. Jesus. Yeah. Um, we have this movie and we have a Michael praise bomb. But he's the good guy Mississippi burning, right? Isn't he isn't he? Is he part of with heaven? I think he's partnered with

Hackman. I think I've only seen Mississippi. I think he's an FBI agent in the square. And that's the thing in streets of fire in in this movie. He's the two of the most evil villains you could ever imagine. And then he plays Christ in an FBI agent. Um, he had ranch and then platoon. He's also kind

Jack Nicholson. He gets a revenge at this whole run and bend the Joker. But he gets the playgreens

“goblin and spider in. So both of these actors do things in this movie that I think more famous”

more famous actors would just be like, I can't. We have to have some level of redemption. The foe blowing Jimmy hearts head off after being like buddy, you're in the wrong place the wrong time. Yeah. And chance doing like 15 things in this movie, you would just be like, hey, man, like, I got a career to think about. And I do think in some ways, I wonder whether or not the kinds of movies that Peterson was doing in this ascendancy like to live and die in

man under almost like, well, this guy's too dark. I think they fucked them up. Yeah, from the postman hunter, I think he really had some issues trying to figure out what to do. This was like this anonymous stage actor. Those choices in a dark place. Those choices that he made in the late 80s, two kind of show him like trying to shift away, like trying to do more lighthearted. Yeah. It's interesting. I wrote down for the foe really unique ceiling basement potential because he's been

great in some stuff. But I also think body evidence and speed to are two of the worst performances by a good actor ever like ever. I don't think either of those speed to is like a truly singularly atrocious villain scale performance. It may even be in our villain scale like a zero at 10. And body evidence is just a famous clunker with Madonna. It's like a basic instinct going wrong. It's so bad. It's actually not even fun to watch. It's like, oh, this is like can't be bad. It's just

awful. There's nothing good about it. So when he's bad, he's bad and when he's good, he's really good. And he's got an interesting place in Hollywood history at this point. He's not a really good job

in the last 15 years of basically saying like, okay, I work with Sean Baker, Robert Eggers,

Wes Anderson. Like he kind of just lifts up. He still makes a lot of movies with able for our who's been friends with for like 50 years. It checks out. Yeah. But you know, he was like, he wasn't an experimental theater troupe in the Worcester group. He's an unusual dude. And the fact that he has managed to balance like really interesting arthouse movies with the most mainstream movies of all time, like Platoon and Spider-Man is pretty fascinating. Yeah. I, uh, I really like

him in this movie. One of the great faces. I actually think you could argue he's more of a good

“guy than some of the good guys. That's what I'm saying. I mean, like Rick at least, like you don't”

go, maybe go to my site where I'm counter doing counterfeit money there. Old guy with two guys dies. He does say not in to seduce Max Waxman. You know, like you're trying to fuck my lady, you know, but like for the most part is like a pretty stand up guy. They think a good artist. Yeah. Talented painter. And also he's own worst critic. Like this paintings on fire. You know, you love to see that kind of really like it's like living up to your own potential. He is also a professional

counterfeiter and murderer just for the record. Yeah. So you guys are ploughing him a little bit. Just want you to know he is a rank criminal. I had a feeling the sex scene. They probably went for it to the point where even Friedkin was like, yeah, I'm gonna have to take this out. The one is where they're videoing it. Yeah, with their videoing and where it's just like in a burp cut. Yes. Where Friedkin was like, yeah, you're probably right. We don't want to get an X here.

This movie is horny. Yeah. Well, darling and flugal mid 80s babe. We talked about earlier to live and die.

“Running scared which we've already done. Yes. She's in crime story, which is Dennis Freen is white, right?”

Yeah. It just never, I really wanted it to work. It just never quite got there. She was in Hunter

and she was sliced to lunch wife and lock up. The movie that I like and maybe five other people sliced the long goes to jail. Do you ever see lock-up or no? I'm just kind of waiting for my dance partner for lock-up. Okay. It's got, have we talked about lock-up correct? It's got the best sports scene in a movie that's not a sports movie. I think ever. What do they play? They they have this jail football game and it's fucking spectacular. Like they could run it on NFL network and people

would think it was just a 1958. Yeah, I don't take you up on that offer. It's spectacular. Slice to alone. It's really great. I feel a nice lady. Why are we showing fucking lock-up on a Thursday night? Yeah. There's some like cross promo with Kyle that you could potentially pull off. Yeah. If you can get lock-up. That's not in a lock-up. I've tried. Okay. I've done some

some, it's just never got kind of like CR with some of his CR month movies. Yeah. Oh my god,

the poll. You want to talk about it now? Well, we're going to take a break in a second, but we should mention the poll. Get a poll for the fourth movie. We had some bangers in there and now people are like, "Can you just do all 12 of these movies?" But the winner ended up being the nice guys. And I think an indication that the post-20010 generation has a voice as well. Don't fucking suck up to them. I'm not saying like, sorry. Oh my god, my mom thought I don't care.

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“the smartest way to hire. Wang chum. I think you forgot to, well, sometimes it's too”

word sometimes it's one. Wang mother fucking chum. Wang mother fucking chum. Yeah. Break it down. Put us in the space. Is that even get you going more than this, man? Come on. I actually was going to float to you guys, whether we need to redame apex mountain. Wang chum mountain. Wang chum apex mountain. Like when they do the couch, it's like the rose ball for presented by state farm rose ball. Yeah. It's just a Wang chum, apex mountain. They have

this movie and they have breakfast club. She's burning fire in the twilight as they're trying to escape from the principal. Just in the same year, I wish that you would take some of your hard-earned money by a sponsorship of a college ball game called Wang chum. Wang chum apex mountain ball. North Texas versus Hawaii. And they would only have to play Wang chum music throughout the entire thing. I appreciate how your announcer voice knows just Robert Lose. It's Robert Lose

of doing monster drugs. I love that. So the story is free kids like I want you to do all the music for this, as you mentioned, very collaborative. And he's like the one thing I don't want you guys to do. This is it. You're only instructions. Don't make a song called to live and die in LA because there's no way I'm putting the movies. Don't fucking do that. Wang chum gets in the studio. They come out. And they're like, hey, we may have a song. Just can you give this a listen for you? This is

there's like, that's fucking awesome. And films a whole new first seven bits of the movies go through

the song. It's so great. It sounds like something I would do a bit of jury. There's no way we're

“fucking new at that. I'm on the next part. I believe it's really great. Like can you imagine”

being in the in the Freakens office and the Wang chum guys like do they where they British? Where were they British? Yeah. You're like, hey, William, we have a song. Also, this is Hurricane Billy. He's not some shrinking violet. You're like, oh, yeah, sure. Sure. He's like known to be like, fucking don't do it. Yeah. Do not put the song to live a guy knowing. Do you know what? He is said that this is the easiest movie he made, which is insane with this car chase and with some

of the stuff in there. And I think probably this is the purest reflection of his talent is to just be like running and gunning. I don't have a lot of studio executives messing with me while I'm shooting. They eventually messed with him when it was over. And then like I he obviously just like loves the collaborators he worked with on this because why else would he just be like chung Wang? You guys got it. You have the entire the canvas is yours. It's blank. And if you guys want to call song to look

in dilate, let's do it. I mean, this was my music that 81.86. This was this was the early alternative with the care and the Smith saw the water all those bands. This was not like a major band. Mm-hmm. They had like two songs that were like reasonably popular. Everybody saw this. Everybody saw this. That song wasn't out yet. Oh, okay. So that's after this.

The dance hall days it was on the third album. This is the fourth album basically. Yeah.

Like there were probably 50 Wang Chunks. And for some reason, free kids like these guys. Yeah. And just saw like the what was your Wang Chunk background. All I know is everybody

the soundtrack. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing better. I made lives. I actually when I watched it last night. I was like, this is the best. Look at the sunset.

“When I watched the movie last night, I think it the first, it's like the first 22 minutes,”

24 minutes. I don't know what it is. That it's like you just riveted the entire time. Because there's been a how he does it. And three beginnings of the movie. It doesn't matter. It's like so good. And like, but he, he fucking does this over and over again. It's like tubular bells in the exercises. Yeah. It's tangerine dream and sorcerer. Like he, he just has incredible taste. And he doesn't have like the same composer that he uses every

time every time he starts from scratch. And he's like, here's what I think this movie's vibe is.

And he just like plucks Wang Chunk out of relative obscurity, not total obscurity. But they weren't like he said they weren't huge. Yeah. Yeah. This is on the movie is the editor. And there are scenes that they are obviously cutting around the music. Like it's it's early music video style, where it's like like when a chance is chasing to throw through the airport, the music comes in

“right as the siren goes off at the metal detector. And you're like, oh man, look, I'm fucking”

pumped for this. I mean, the bummer is that they gave fire in the toilet to breakfast club. Because there's like four scenes that they could easily whip that one into. Yeah, when so my wife was like on on her phone, like half watching, but when the opening credits came up and they kicked in with the different shots and the colors and the graphics like there was just nothing better in 1985. This was we peaked. Yeah. This is like my wife's

mic, man. Like that kind of like it was this was at another level with the graphics and the colors. It was just great. It probably molar. You know, like that's the same thing. He just plucked this guy more or less out of Germany. I guess he had come to America at that point. But like

there's a perfect fit and they never worked together again. This is the only movie they made together.

It's so funny because Wang Chang again came and went as a band. They probably had five songs that everybody could remember. Plus breakfast club in this movie. And yet they have a much longer tail now because of the two movies. Right. Whereas like Durian Durian was like a way bigger band. Right. And you can still tour and do all these different things. But it was never integrated in a movie like this. Danger and dream was another one. You haven't seen the bone temple.

What do you mean? 28 years later the bone temple just came out prominently uses the music of Durian Durian. Interesting. Yeah. I want to check it out. Oh, wow. It's like the one record that Ray finds his character has. It's really cool what they do with it. It would have been funny if

“Rachel was like, there's this guy more say I've been fascinated by. I think he can do all the music”

for it to live the night. I like just want to go completely different a little Saturday. Yeah, we've been a different vibe. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of others that I think maybe I think the fix maybe could have done a very I don't think it would have been in the research like the alternative the person that they first approached for this was the Miles Davis. Yeah. Yeah, that made a lot to do with it. I don't know if it's before or after this. I think maybe right before.

Okay. And so he's like and that's a completely different film. If Miles Davis is blowing on like all this stuff and the movie does still have basically Chicago blues which a lot of free can movies have. Yeah. There's still like some like cops in a bar or stuff. It's the perfect pick though. Like if he got into Howard Jones Howard Jones was like a little more like I don't want to say can't be but more romantic. Yeah. But he got into Derandre and I felt like it would have

been too big. The cure would have been the mood when it'd been right. Right, there'd been like Danny Elfman's midnight run score. It would have been to like bar bandie. I was going to say I wouldn't go point a would have been possible. Yeah. It's like almost too happy. There's something about Wang Cheng where it's happy but it's also there's something deeper and sinister. I love them midnight run scores. Yeah, midnight run is great. Yeah. And then we mentioned Los Angeles

see our month. Griny LA movies. This then thieves repo man repo man terminator one training day. The first

fast and furious and fast forward a little bit too. He's always laugh at fast and furious. You just laugh

you say you're a man of the people. I'm all the fast and furious lovers. I'm sure they're out there. I'm and I welcome them. I welcome this year months. They've received 10 films. Yeah. They got this game. It did great. Anybody else who would have in the LA? Body double? Yeah. collateral. Body double is kind of happier though. It's like the, except when that girl's getting real. It's not fucked. It's like the welfare of LA. I wouldn't say it's grimy.

Would you say collateral is underground? It's Kate Town. We're in my double feature corner here. Yeah. It's close. Yeah. It's close. I mean, there are plenty of, you know, 40s and 50s LA in almost two. They do this too. Some of the people throw a giant at them. What's the one that um, Maxine's based off of or like, take his drawn from? Oh, uh, the wings house or move. Yeah.

also has some, um, isn't, isn't Maxine as well. Like wings house or why you look to set Mount Rushmore

“of car chases. Bullet. French connection. This. Ronan. Ronan. That's what I had for the four. Yeah.”

It's pretty unassailable list. No fast and furious. Are you, what fucking with him? Or is it? I did think about it. I think, I don't, I think for the, for most people, the, because the fast and furious movies all kind of blend into each other, you're talking about like a relatively normal, whatever movie that then all of a sudden, there's this added control car chase in the movie. I will say, I think those are the four contemporary movies. It's not long enough. Probably

to qualify for Mount Rushmore, but I think one battles, car chase is pretty incredible. A degree.

Freakin had a crazy quote. I won't read the whole thing, but it was basically talking about he can't believe he did this car chase and he was, he was talking about some, oh, he's talking about the movie taken. It was one of the interviews I read and he was saying he really like taken. He thought taking was good. So welcome aboard William Freakin, another dead. It's just a really nice there, another taken fan out there. But he was saying what they did with it, there was more CGI and

he's like, we didn't have that back then. We had to like put people's lives in danger to make this stuff and he's like, I was young and stupid and I didn't really realize like multiple people could have died and these car chases were making, but I was like, go, go, let's push the envelope, let's push the envelope. Now that I'm all there, I kind of can't believe I didn't do it that way. I did it that way. That was interesting. I appreciate his sacrifice and the risks he said.

I don't, because when we watch movies now, we're like, these guys aren't actually in danger.

“I think they really weren't in danger in this car. I think especially in the French connection,”

it's incredibly dangerous what they did. They're like 90 miles a day. Yeah. That one, this one is a little bit more controlled because they're able to shut down the highways and then the productions take over the highways. So it's a little different, but if people have not read the free connection, it is one of the very best director autobiographies. It is amazing. You can hear his voice as you were reading and tell the stories and he's a, I don't give a fuck director. So he tells

really great stories about the stuff, but he did a lot of dangerous stuff. I mean, sorcerer, if we ever do that episode, there's a lot that is was insanely dangerous. And next week, if you see our month that let us down. I mean, once we open it up to the people, you can't really completely,

you guys turn me on a sorcerer. I somehow and that was never on my bingo card for years and years.

I think it's another movie though that got incredible with its DVD release. Definitely. But you know, we talked about it on Star Wars. It was like two weeks after Star Wars. So it kind of like culturally got pushed aside. The car chase thing, we're just probably never going to have another one because nobody would ever do it this way. And I actually feel like that Mount Rushmark could stay. It's one of those rare ones where I'm basketball. You'd never know. But I think with car chase is, I don't see

hey, challenge you from the born movies that I would throw in there in the first, the one in the mini from the first one. And well, the last fish that passed about a great one, too. The one in Rome, whatever the following one, whatever the one from two movies again. Number seven has one in Rome, which is incredible. That one's great. Yeah. I think it's really hard to crack in. I think

one battle gets in the conversation because what it did, we just never seen before. It was like

it was in a new terrain. And the way that even the camera moving up and down, we not really seen that specifically. I guess a little bit emboiled it with the car chase's in San Francisco, but it was different in that way. It's just hard to iterate on because I mean, Freakin has two of the four best ever like forever. Yeah. And that's the hard to displace either of those. And he is the best fisting scene. He does. Yeah. Yeah. I think they does good luck right for that. Did you wait, bring your

“handkerchief to them? He's Chris is wearing yellow today. That's how we see our both every movie starts. Yeah. 6 million dollar budget made 17 million. 116 minutes, Craig.”

Not bad. Five ten minutes, maybe you could have shortened it. I got on one ten. Yeah. So it's a plus 16. You think plus ten you're a good one? Yeah. Okay. I need ten more minutes of Jane Leafs. So I need to extend the time. We more interpretive dance. Roger Ebert four stars called the car chase an amazing sequence. The rest of the movie is also first rate. The direction is the key. Freakin has made some good movies, puts him in parentheses and subadwants cruising deal with the century. Come on, Rash. Did Roger

Marie visit cruising probably turn coat. But he says this is his comeback showing the depth and skill of the early pictures. You agree with that, Sean? I think it's definitely a back to basics movie with him.

And it's not a very expensive movie at a time when a lot of companies are getting very expensive. But I liked one other thing that Raj wrote, which is something that I will echo. I like movies that teach me about something. Movies that have researched their subject and contain a lot of information casually contained in between the big dramatic scenes.

“This is technically in my, what do you like about movies thing? You know where it's like only?”

Yeah. You're in a world of counterfitting that is so specific and focused and interesting the way that he shoots it and shows the master's character going about it. But it doesn't

have him sit down and be like, here's how I counterfeit money. Like that never happens. He doesn't

really talk through his process. Just shows it in incredibly cool way with the Wang mother fucking chung playing. And it was so legitimate that fake money from the set of the movie got into circulation. It's a crazy start. We're going to the categories. Okay. Most of we watchable scene. I have opening credits and Wang Chung read into Peter's and hotel Chase. Guy was doing it for Islam.

Culminating and I'm getting too old for this shit. Yeah. Now pre-dates Leathlept one year before Leathlept. Yeah. Come on. Two years, right? 87 Leathlept was very two years. Two years. Yeah.

And we get a brief off-camera Rye Reagan. Yes. Could have gotten him. Could have gotten him in the

card game. Very rare thing in a movie like this to use a real sitting president and you'd make his make him a character in the movie. Um, opening credits into the art burning and the bungee jump. This whole stretch. I wrote down this 4k is so fucking good. Peter said did the jump for real. He did in jeans and invests in trucks. He did. I kind of say I don't this could almost be a new category. Uh, we sure hit this is safe enough for our lead actor.

I guess it was just the one strap. They're not even like bungee jumping. They're calling it base jumping. It's like base jumping just one leg. I don't know. That may be nervous. It's like a bunch of

crunk cops like we're measuring the wire there. Like who's doing the safety checks. I heard

we can say they use the new piece of equipment to shoot it like a new crane, um, which is now kind

“of standard operating. And so I think there was a lot of time spent on making sure that this was safe.”

But if this was any Murphy, I don't think you'd be doing the jump for real. Yeah. Base jumping now means you have a parachute. Okay. Cops at a bar. I've said it before. I've said it. I'll say it again. I'll continue to say it. Something about the 80s and the early 90s when cops all got together in a bar just seem like the most fun place in the earth. Those guys are all getting blackout and then driving home.

It's one of the best. It's like a leg to the bar. Let's go to a brother. It's just literally how I was raised. Yeah. It's just in bars. My dad was great. And two guys are probably going to get mad at each other at some point during the night, but it's fine. And somebody's going to have to be walked out when they stumble out of the bar. And it's still the afternoon. I noticed this time that this sign on the bar says bird sanctuary. My dad when he was

a younger cop was in a social club called the raccoons. And they were just like, you know, 10 cops are just like to drink a lot. But they had like a whole or Nate world that they had created around the raccoons. I didn't see any masks in the home, but you know, they had a lifestyle. Okay. The counterfeit money scene, watching someone make money from scratch with Wang Chung music blasting, is really all I needed life. But a great three minutes. It's unreal. Like I agree with the

lady, but it said to blowing on the on the plates, you know, to reveal them. Yeah, we should we should just have that rolling at the sick and more studio like at all times, you know, yeah, when you're when you there's a TV on it's just only showing that sequence. And also the Peterson sex. You know, I'm going to bring that up to Jeff Chow tomorrow. Yeah. I initially had that as my Floyd gun dolly before settling on something else. But I love watching somebody do something. I don't

understand how it's done. And it actually seems realistic. Like as he's making it, it's like,

“oh, shit. Oh, now he's doing the mixing up the camera. I can watch it for honestly, I could”

watch it for the 25 minutes. Yeah. I was so interested in how that is like, oh, now he's going to dry it. It's the coolest artist at work. Yeah. And the foe is great too. It just seemed like he's been doing it nonstop for the last 10 years. Like just effortless. Totally. Terturo gets chased down in L.A. Craig mentioned the Peterson just looking at this was his combine real. This is also that

escalator or like the people mover. Yeah, they're like, no, you won't. Are you nostalgic for the days where somebody could just run through a metal detector? I'm nostalgic for the idea. And this goes basically up to 2001 obviously. But like the idea of going to the airport and being like, I'm going to buy a ticket to DC today. You know, they mean they're like 40 bucks. And it goes like all the way through kicking and screaming where he runs in and he's like, I want to go to Prague. Yeah. But I'm

“probably glad that we have some safeguards. You know, I think it's safe to say. I'm nostalgic for”

time when it was reasonable that men would run through them in movies. Yes. Now if that happened,

you'd be like that one never happened. If someone ran through an airport now, they would just be

gunned out. They would. Yeah. Terturo almost gets killed in prison. I have as a rewatchable scene. You did. There's a whole other movie that I'd would have signed up for. Yeah, him and prison for three months navigating people trying to come out for. Terturo, he should have known, like, as those guys are walking across the artist, like, who are they going for? Somebody getting hit? Who's getting hit? Everyone's only wearing out around. Hey, it's you. Yeah. We've seen

somebody prison movies were like, dude, get up, stop running. Yeah. The fight scene would defone and his, what was the aim of his wax wax waxman? No, the henchmen. Oh, the faux henchmen. The black eye. In fight in the three black eyes. Oh, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff. I think they him and his, but it was a two one three. Yeah. I think they're plus when they have the Fandoids underneath the screen as the fights about. I think they're, like, plus four 90.

It's like, no way. These guys are getting out of this and they never let me heat again. Yeah.

Amtrak into the shooting into the chasing, uh, just 10 out of 10 on how to do this as you're watching. Mm-hmm. How do you guys do this? Yeah. Um, tough beat for the FBI undercover FBI agent with fake diamonds. Mm-hmm. Just getting, uh, has his gun down with his pants down around his, uh, ankles. Not how I'd want to go. Chance raids Terturo. I like that shot when they're on the opposite side of the wall. So yeah.

That's my great shot for it. Oh, it's a great one. Chance gets killed. Craig, did you see this before? No, we expected that one. Not at all. Something you can only do if it's probably not a star, right? And 1985. Richard here. You can't shoot Richard here in the face with the shotgun. No. It's still shocking to watch. I mean, we're shocking to the, to the studio. They were like, you better go back and, yeah, they shot a fake. You could find it online on

alternate ending. So it's rocious. I think it only time the alternate ending actually ended up being the end of the movie is fatal attraction that I can remember. I would like ones we've done on this podcast with the studio is like, no, we're fucking redoing that an A and Archer is going to kill

“going close to the bathroom. And that's how we're ending this movie, Motherfuckers. I'm sure there”

are some other examples. I can't think of off the top of my head though, where they re-cut it. And that's what we got. I'm just saying for the episodes we've done. Yeah. I think that's the only one I can remember where they literally re-did it. Final scene for rewatchable. You're working for me now. Yeah. He's got the sunglasses on. Heck, I'll go start. Yeah. I would add two more. Yeah, let's hear. I think the murder of Max Waxman get shot and dick when he gets shot in the dick. And then

the foes says your taste is in your ass. So I don't, I don't totally know what that means. It's like 18th century camera. And then very shortly thereafter, the meetup at the gym, when they're all like getting changed and willybears and it's like, yeah, I've got a friend down in Hollywood goes by the name of Donald Duck. Yeah. Yeah. I like to try about to change the gum. Why are they changing clothes? Well, it's like they're going to work out. They're going to work out.

They're going to work out. They're going to work out. I think it went in the 80s. You're on your way to work out. And you're wearing a don't clothes, right? Yeah, but I'm not going to get fully

“nude and then like with like you should get nude right here. Yeah. They've got to start it up.”

I think I think locker room. Like behaviors have changed. That may be the most

185 thing about this movie, which we're doing in a second. What do you have from us?

We were watching. The only other thing I wanted to add was hanging dog. No, it's right after the heck. It's the one condoling when she's just like, she's trying to pedal all this information to him. And he's like, you know, Uncle Sam doesn't give a shit about your expenses. If you want bread, fuck a baker. And yeah, they're whole conversation where she's just like, you know, what would you do if I stopped giving information to you? And he's just like,

I'd revoke your parole and walks out. Like, it's just, it's a great moment character moment between those two. Well, I thought when she's like, yeah, my kids coming up for Vegas and he's like,

It seems like a stable life for him. It's not a super nice guy chance. It starts with Peter's in at the bar, drinking a high life and a shot. Then it cuts to the train going across, you know, the desert part of California, like a Sergio Leo movie and just builds and builds and builds from the Union station on. It's one of the craziest scenes in movie history. His, he like, they shut down a highway over a weekend in Los Angeles. Imagine if just the 110, the seven

ten was just shut down for a week. They were like, sorry, William Friedkin's shooting a movie across five miles of road. We got 900 cars there. Like, extras. And the cars are going in the opposite direction. So it's like an optical illusion when you're watching the movie. Look, the cars on the left are going the wrong way and the cars, the red are going the wrong way. And he only did that to make you confused as an audience member because it's the whole sequence is so disorienting. That's a

wild choice in the movie. It's such a crazy chase. I had the chase number one too. It's an unbelievable seven minutes. And I love Peter's adapting in it too. Yes. He's so excited. Yeah. And he did a good job

of establishing from the beginning. The first time we basically see him other than the secret

service thing. First of all, when he's on the roof, he's really close to the edge of the roof,

“like, for real. I think it's like, it's probably two feet away from falling to his dad. He”

doesn't care. And then the next time we say, man, for that, he's bunch of jumping. So you're just like, oh, this guy's a fucking maniac. Okay. You've established that. What's the most 1984 thing about this movie, LAX definitely? There's the when they finally finished the chase and the three guys are in the background. And the one guy has his radio on his shoulder. Yes. And that's just like, period five. Yeah. The gym workout machines. They flag transworld airlines. Yeah. And

continental, you can see in the background next to it, bad times for all there. Being called to my advice, rip off. Wank fucking chung. And then I have one more. I have one more that I bet is the same as you. What is it? It's chance getting out of the car chase coming back to Ruth's house and talking immediately about Quentin Daley and Orlando will register. Well, that I have that coming up. I hold that thought. I do as well. I mean, counterfitting cash.

That's just in 1985. That we just have fake. I want that one for. I did not do a lot of counterfitting research, admittedly. And I imagine this is around the peak, right? Because the technology is

“going to be strong. I think where they put like the, like, a little band in your money that was just”

like how easily verified there's no printing. Things we just got better at stopping. Yes. By last thing, there's some stealth gay scenes in this movie and gay moments that are just very 1985. You mean, like, homo erotic or, well, for instance, his girlfriend, they have, she's got her, her dance performance. Yes. And then Defogo's and goes to kiss her. And it looks like he's kissing a man the way they film it. And I almost wonder if it was a male actor. And they flipped it.

There's that other scene when he stands right with Peter's is like, you got a package for me. And he'd like grabs it. Yeah. It's just fit in with how we're the 80s were with that. Even just the use of kabuki dance, which is like this ancient chapter in style, or a man who are performing female characters. Like, I think he's very purposely kind of trying to blend all this stuff up. At the correct point earlier, where it's like, whoa, the nudity. It's like, there's a lot of

male nudity in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that leads us to the Floyd Gundali, but her and Maya slowly pops in my mouth a word for something I just enjoy. You mentioned the quit daily. I'm Jay thing. I turns out I really enjoy realistically horrible sports opinions and Neil noir movie thrillers. Excellent. This quit daily take is just insane. Oh, I can believe

well. First of all, it's never mentioned how deep do you want to go right now? But I did the deepest.

Okay. I get it. I'm listening. First of all, it's never mentioned that chance is from Chicago. He's obviously from Chicago. I have an unanswerable question about this. Except he's wearing a Mike Webster Steelers jersey in the first time we see him. I wear like lots of different hats.

“I think it might have just been like a 1985 he had a cool jersey and he was wearing it all the time,”

but you know what I'm like Webster. I wouldn't be like Terry Bradshaw or me, Joe Green. Maybe he's doing up with the we were like, you know who I love the center and the Steelers. Weird. I don't know. I found the game. Yeah. He's talking about it. It's pretty easy. I mean, I look on basketball reference for a minute. He will couldn't daily add one awesome game, but it was right. Is there a film in the movie? We know Friedkin. He was a big guy.

Maniac NBA guy who almost like bought what was the team. The Celtics was the Celtic fan.

In the late 70s, back when you could buy a sports team for 12 million bucks. Well, here's my

my unanswerable question about. Yes. Okay. So, Ling, the Fed who's posing as the guy buying diamonds,

induction, right? Chance has to take his car to a body shop because he can't return it to the motor pool. Then he has to get somehow back to Ruth's house where you got to call it 9 p.m. Something like that. 10 p.m. But somehow in that interim time, he has found out the score of the Pacer's bull's game. From October of 1984, and has identified the Quentin Daily is really the number one option on the bull's not Michael Jordan. And when would you have gotten the highlights? When would you have seen the

box score? I was feeling like it might have been a day later. He's on the paper. Unfortunately, none of this holds water because the beginning of the movie we learned that it is the end of December. Yes, I know that, but like if we're looking for Quentin Daily 30 point performance, it's from

the time and they film this movie. It is basically William Peterson knew about this game and came in

“on my take was I think they wanted some sort of ad lib thing when he shows up with her.”

Yes. See, like, all right, talk about just something stupid and Friedkin had been excitedly telling people about this Quentin Daily game. See, I think it's the set opposite. I think it is, I think it is Friedkin who wrote the screenplay, who is an NBA obsessive, who has a lot of sports takes, who's like, I'm zagging so hard on Jordan's overrated. He's like Quentin Daily's record. Yes, and he's like Quentin Daily was my guy. Despite the fact that Quentin Daily, you know,

like, well, we're going to talk about this too. You know, it was was convicted of it. He was such a, he was such a bad guy. He had the Richard chance of the bull's. He was a bad guy as like a, you know, a fledgling teenager and fucking New England. Like he, he was, uh, had like this rapist situation. And since this guy, I think it might have been more than one. And it was really controversial that they drafted him. Yeah. And it was during a time when we

didn't have social media or anything. And it was like, huh, should the bull's be able to put this guy in their team when this happened? And it's really bad. It's like an awful story. Yes. People are protesting

“in the 1980s. I think about that. But it is almost like an interesting character choice that this”

gum bag cop. Well, like, we have to keep remembering at least, like keeping this, like, woman prison

basically a feed him information that he like wouldn't daily. You know, it's like, it's almost,

it's a character treat. Very talented score. Went to university San Francisco, which is where he had uh, his situation. And then, uh, infamous for ordering food to be delivered to him on the bench during a bull's game. Yeah. And I think there might have been some drugs with them too. But it was drugs with most of that team ironically. So, yeah. So, I wonder, like, did freed can, maybe he liked the bull's and maybe he was like, I don't know. Why the fuck would we take Jordan? We have quit daily.

Like, really felt strongly about this. I think he was more like, I'm writing a movie about scumbags. What's a real scumbag opinion. I could put out there in the world. And one of his characters. I love it. It's an idea. You're describing a lot of, like, right early intent to the. Yeah, could be wrong. This, that was in my what's aged the worst. Or he just loved quit daily. It's possible. It's possible. Maybe he went to a game a year earlier. I was like, oh my god, this guy has

he's better than anyway. It was quit in daily highlights from that Pacers game in the 30 point game around. Yeah. It's on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. He was he was a little injured Tony. It's actually with this game. He was like a power to guard. Yeah. What's aged the best? It's also probably what says the worst. The Middle East conflict being a key opening scene seems relevant right now. I haven't watched as worse. Making counterfeit money has just aged the best as a viewing experience. As we

discussed, calling people a me go, wallet. Guy got to bring it back. Maybe we should bring it back. Let's do it. Yeah. Let's just make it. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to get Rick Masters. I have a, I am actually surprisingly many more, but would you have? So when William Pearson introduces himself as Mr. Jessup to Rick Masters, he turns to Pankau and he goes, "And this is my associate Dr. George Victor."

And I just, it's never commented on again, but it's like Dr. of what? What if Rick Masters have been

“like Dr. I have this weird bowl? Did they look at it like, did they really think that through?”

You would just say it's an honorary doctor and I got the college. Sure. But like that would have been like one extra layer of the lie that you didn't need. I'm a prostate doctor. I love the remnants of the 1960s that kind of thread through this movie, especially waxman being a hippie, ex-hippie warrior. And in the Pankau talks about this in interviews, but you can kind of get the sense from all these 1980s cops that they were Vietnam veterans and just the kind of the sort of waste of the 60s

washing up in LA and definitely his partner who gets killed is meant to be one of those guys, like a roughneck basically. Absolutely. And I love Rick being a bisexual fine artist who just has

spitting tobacco. Jack Hor legendary LAPD detective. You have any of what saves the best.

“Yeah, sort of related to that being able to pretend to be a businessman and having the”

contents of your glove box being enough proof. The fact that they're like, I don't know about this guy. His girlfriend goes and looks at his glove box and I'm like, I'm seeing some receipts here. Yeah, I came in. Yeah. Is that tan enough? That's really good. Calling money paper. Yeah, which is something that obviously got very popularized in the last 20 years. And then just will him to foe as a villain. Yeah, just like he's become one of the great villains the last 50 years.

I also had Dean Stockwell playing a defense attorney who's having a beer on his lunch break during a trial. Grimes and generals just an awesome character. Dean Stockwell also enledged to Billy Jean this year as the senator. And in Paris, Texas, yeah. Yeah. And soon to be in America to the mom completing his comeback and doing any Academy Award nomination. Yeah. So those

“are those are some of them. I have sub bungee jumping. Mm-hmm. I have Jane Leaves with an”

underrated hot girl run here of to live in DINLA. Marla the Virgin from Seinfeld. Oh, it's absolutely a JFK junior and then Frazier's girlfriend. Oh, it's like there.

This is sort of fluid gondoley sort of like always aging the best. But I enjoy when an insane

person in a movie has an artistic hobby. Yeah. You know, like Jack Torrance. Yeah. Yeah. And he's writing. You've got Tony Colette's miniatures in her editorie. Yeah. You've got a Gary Oldman being really into Beethoven and the professional. Like, yeah, that's like a great little character trait where they can like really appreciate fine art, right? But they are insane. Yeah. That's good one. That's good. We'll put that in our AI movie. There's no AI. I like when villains

refer to themselves as the third person. Rick Masters doesn't do that. Yeah. Everyone knows Rick

“Masters won't do a deal without up front money. It's like your Rick Masters. Yeah. You say that”

but what I also wrote then 80s movie lawyers dressed like Dean Stackwell who always had a cocktail and looked like they were about to play tennis. Yeah. There was that this was a weird era for the perception of lawyers was like between tennis games. They were just going to go try like a Mercedes convertible. Right. You have like a little cost polo, but with a suit. The decision to show Peter Simba not the body and the dumpster was really good.

Yes. When he opens the thing and his face changes, I just thought that was a really good shot. I love how he discovers it where he sees the whole, the bullet hole in the bottom of the dumpster too. That's really good. I like having a witness out of jail and then losing the witness is just a great movie thing. It's like, oh my god, he lost them. Yeah. What are we going to do? We shouldn't have gone to the hospital. That was just really dumb move. Yes. And then

the decision to show Jimmy, who was too old for this shit. Two days to retirement, but he was getting too close. I just felt like this has been ripped off in 30 other movies.

I don't know if this was the first one last job. McBean. This is like grand zero for

two days left. He's got his fucking fishing rod. This came from an email. Oh shit. I deleted who wrote this. Now I feel bad. All right. I'll give him credit the next time. It was me, Bill. I wrote the email. Just a reader wanted to point out. He was really excited. We're doing the movie that when Chance walks in the building and he gets the judge to sign the read to get the tour out of prison. I'd serve as a release. He walks into 444 South Flower Street,

the same building, Neil and his crew walk out of the hate. Just prior to the all-time greater shootout scene ever. Great stuff. Isn't that where he really wanted to be? Yeah, downtown. Great shot, Gordo. You had so many. I threw the windshield during the car chase. Unbelievable.

Amazing iconic shit. Defoe looking and his burning painting and the opening of the film.

Peterson Bungie jumping. Cars driving on the opposite sides of the road and you already mentioned the roster far into the boom box at the end of the, which is like a big wide range. Yeah. I had the shot when Chance goes to see Ruth at the topless bar and she's working the door and it's like all green and all red and she's leaning back against the counter and the skin tight dress is the hottest anyone's ever looked in the world. Like they fucking broke the

meter on that one and that scene is apparently like very improvised and they were just like just fucking explore the studio space and it's like if you miss your mark like it won't make it into the movie but who cares and it's so good. I just want to say one other thing about the car chase and regards the cinematography. Robbie Miller was like, I don't know how to do this. So the car

And I will add to that. Just last night, one, he lifetime achievement award at the American

Society of Cinematography. Robert Yoman. I wanted to mention the bridge sprint chase scene because I like sometimes when they go wide and it just looks like I'm watching a game for 10 seconds. We'll take one more break and then we'll do the rest of the categories. Denathy's Benny Hunter word scene ceiling location. Baker's field counter counter fit spot that wide shot of like what's going on out that street behind and this where has the mill nowhere.

It's really like that spot. That's that's the ringer 4.0. Yeah, it's just us. Just outside of India. She's a washer dryer. I'm in the horse trailer. I've got a dryer. That's good. That's the things have gone wrong. I I feel like rooftop of the Beverly Hill no tell is pretty good too. That's I had the burger place where chance tells. Oh great burger place. Yeah. They're going to rob wing and they come out with burgers and then sit and like barber chairs. Yeah with like a whole

city. That's also big on it too. Yeah. We do some food. Keep cutting food to have this word. We get the opening scene obviously. I have dance all days or dance all days too. Yeah at Shipwreck Joes Cabaret. Look what they took. What's it like there on Wednesdays? It's gone. It's gone. They took it down. It used to be a really special one. The Amanda Dobba's word for best piece of performance date. Hold on. Oh. I feel like you've been interested in real estate over the years.

Yes. And so before we get to this category, like would you consider buying a piece of property

“in that area and reopening Shipwreck Joes? Yeah. Why don't you ever do that? Shipwreck Billis?”

Like, you could definitely afford to open a series of nameless dive bars that I would be Cabaret. Sure. So there's like a show. Yeah. Like a show with performers. I got to said that barcing great. Good security. Yeah. I thought the stage seemed nice and big. Lighting the bottom of the girls. What's the entry fee right now? This is with the garland. $1.50 in 1985. It's probably like 15 bucks now. Shipwreck Joes Cabaret ever taken a road trip. Where was it? I love it. Where's that

along beach? Yeah. Roundabout. Manadovins were for best piece of real estate. Chances, Malibu House. Way too. What? I have the question. Sick. He's like about 12 houses down from the pier. 80s, much cheaper in Malibu, but you're still looking at this. You're still looking at that of mill. So it's there. There is a moment in Malibu where the celebs haven't started driving prices. We're getting close. But Donna has the living in '85 with Champagne. That's kind

of a tipping point. Is he living in LA? I mean, it's a grudge. He's giving. So I freeze framed it.

“Yeah, the skimming I think is is a good thought. I freeze framed it. It was a three story house.”

It wasn't like one of those like one story. But so he might have just been renting like one of the floors. Of course. Yeah. Possible. Not that far away from Neil McColley's house. It's a very similar to the place where Hemzworth's character lives in 1951. Yeah. Very similar. But he lives in a series of like condos. Like if I would have bought that. And then a couple years later Martin Riggs is living in a trailer on the beach. I think in Malibu, like in lethal weapon.

But this guy has like a fleet. We got away with this in the '80s and '90s because we didn't have the internet yet. And people would be like, you know, it'd be cool if we had a shot where the characters look out the water. And now that we know the logistics of LA, it's just there's no way this guy

would be making the drive home on PC. First of all, he would have had a drunk driving accident

across the shore. The Vatter and killed himself and wealthful people. It's another mirroring Michael man moment, too. Or it's like, of course, the sky lives on the water so he can look out into the ocean and have an existential thing on how he's spending his life. Yeah, I mean that he was in a prime spot. Speaking of prime spots, the Sean Fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. I got a fucking doozy. Yeah. Okay. Of human bondage from 1934's playing on the

“television being watched by John Tuturo and Jacqueline Girot and that sequence. That's what the”

movie that you hear when when chance shows up. So it's about a young man played by Leslie Howard

who finds himself attached to a cold, unfelting waitress played by a woman who will ultimately

destroy them both. This is Betty Davis's fifth film. It's her first Academy Award nomination. We're on the eve of the Oscar. She got this nomination via right-in vote. So this movie is important for a few reasons. One, this is the year of Frank Capers that happened one night, which is one of only three movies to win all five of the top five awards. Do you know the other two movies? Sounds the ones. Sounds the ones is one. Oh, I know this. We just did this summary watch. Well,

This was the first of all. The winners is going to take it. We're taping up for the Oscars. The winners will be the four probably not because it's not nominated for Best Actress. So this was the first of only two years in which right-in candidates were permitted. A response to the controversy surrounding the snub of Betty Davis in for a human bonded. She was snubbed and then they created a right-in ballot and she got written in.

So because of that, Claudette Colbert, who was the star of it, happened one night,

thought because Betty Davis got this incredible outpouring for her right-in ballot,

that there was no chance that she was going to win the Oscar. So she gets on a train to go to New York the night of the Oscars and just before the train takes off, they announced her name at the Academy Awards, she runs back to the award show, accepts her award later on in the show, and then goes back in the train holds for her and she gets on the train at the end of the night and goes to New York. I thought you're going to say she drove the wrong way down the one ten.

No. Anyway, of human bondage, it matters. That's fucking freedken.

“So you don't think Tertura's character would have been watching in 1934, artsy movie?”

I didn't mean well, we know his girlfriend is an actress. So she's watching Betty Davis in her breakout role. I love those stories about when nobody cared about the Oscars as much and like Goldman choosing to go to the 1970 finals or something over getting winning his first Oscar. The other criteria or a reason that I had was just that when right before he gets a shanked or attempted shanked in the yard, Tertura was like, what's the movie tonight? And they're like, oh, I don't know,

some galactic shit and he's like, I hate that sci-fi shit. And I always thought that was a

dis-a-star wars for taking outsourcer. Oh, see, I just got a flex category. I got two here. I don't think you'd dare if you guys would have one. So I'll just, this was fun because I feel like the Edward and Reverse don't go worded did this movie need a random sports moment. And we're right there. We're so close. Rick Masters isn't going to fucking go out and play one game of pickup with the homies. Just sit there. Just install the Princeton offense, dude.

I'm throws it back to our passes. By the way, Sean's got the white shadow behind them. I'm reasonably sure that was the exact same court that the white shadow played Michael Warren's character, Bobby Wagon, and the greatest one I won game ever filmed on TV. And like the fifth episode of

“the white shadow, I think it's the exact same story. Yeah, I think it's in Watts. Yeah. So I had that.”

The Dennis Peck relationship test. Oh, I bring up because I think this is the first place where

Peck melts in the face of the sexuality share between Rick Bianca and Serena. I think he tried to can't get there. And they're just like, whatever you want, Dennis, like, come on in. Yeah. So I'm not destroying anything and they're like, no, this is about dance and art and funny money, man. I just think we've been like, all three of us are up for whatever. He's like, wait, whatever you want to do. Yeah. So this is where Peck loses. It's kryptonite. Can I ask you,

where are you at on polyamory in 2026? General thoughts? Is this a new movie theme? No, I've just, I've just been hearing some things out in the world that have raised my eyebrows about polyamory in the wider world. Yeah. No, not with Bill. No, of course. Just like, just like, it seems to be expanding. It's, it's been an untapped movie slash HBO TV show type of theme. Yeah. We need

“like consenting adults, but for 2026. Well, here's the thing. As you know, my theory on, I think the”

COVID little break all of a sudden. I think people have lost their minds. And we're ready for a show like that. Yeah. Just couples just say and fuck it. Yeah, big love, but just set in handcuffs. Yeah. That sounds great. I watch that. Which is girlfriend award for a week link in the film. I have quit in daily a second time. But daily got 30 points. This guy's unbelievable. It's quite a fucking ballpoint. It's got a gun like how it's a man, 30 feet boom, boom.

What is happening? What's happening? What's happening? But backup choice. Can we have the pack out conversation? No, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. What's your problem with them? Is it TV actor and a really important movie? Yeah. I think it creates formation. It's not going to back there. He's not good enough. Good actor. No, not for this. I think that interesting. It's interesting because, you know,

the story that Peterson tells is that Senees read for the part of chance. Yes. And that he didn't get the job. But that he recommended Peterson to freed him. Right. And that the reason that Pankha gets the job is because Peterson recommends him. And then you think Senees should have been the Pankha part. But it should have been Senees. I have an alternative for who it should have been. Because we get it basically a year later in the

untouchables and it's Andy Garcia. And he's too handsome. No, pretty. Yeah. So you got to get an ugly guy who's not. It doesn't mean that he's become a non-descript. And there's something a little sinister underneath him. So I was going to do this and recast and couch. Can I have for you, John Malkovitch?

Malkovitch going taking us for a ride and Pankha part. I just think I need more fire part.

“No, I think it's the performance. Because I think he's asked to do things a lot. Like he's sitting in the”

back seat during that car chase about to puke crying. Like it's it. It's a good pride. I think he's good in this movie. I think you just love the movie. Can I tell you what my book is? Can I get here's the evidence? Sure.

The rest of his career. He's never done a part like this ever. Yeah.

I'm just going to throw that out there. Found a movie. You'd be enjoyable. I'm mad about you. Likeable actor. I just think he's miscast. Okay. I think this guy, I think there has to be a little bit more of a dark side of established before all of the sudden we have this crazy swerve at the end. He's incredibly funny on episodes. Did you watch that show with Matt LeBlanc on Showtime? Where he played like a like a head of HBO. Basically, the head of Showtime. He was really funny.

One other guy I was thinking was Kelsey Grammer. Hmm. He, I'm cheers was going, right? Cheers said that he just started to be a cheers. Are you picking guys based on hairline? I was, no, I was just trying to think of like out of the box, nonlating man, but just people who are around. Yeah. Like Jeff Goldboom could be another one, two tall, but two tall. It's tough. I'm, I'm like two, she's not Stanley, two, she, but I think two, she could have been a good one. What about Will Patton? I don't know if he was Will Patton. Yeah, it was. He was in no way out. Like two years later.

What about Michael? He was. What about Michael being. Will Patton's good. Michael being, this would be coming right off the terminator. What about Bill Paxon? Interesting. Very interesting. Interesting. Not bad. Okay. Thanks. Not bad.

Like I love his game. Get there with it. I like like Malcolmitch. My book is girlfriend for this is the first eight minutes this movie.

It's cool. I like it when they're like Reagan's going to come play poker. It has no relevance for the rest of the film. Yeah. And I think it would be a

“bigger deal if someone tried to suicide bomb Ronald Reagan. I think the U.S. Secret Service would be busy and not going after Rick Masters.”

So, as I said, I listen to the commentary and he talked about this and this also was shot after the fact. This was not a more original script along with that little sequence that you were talking about. It was after Wang and Cheng came over and said, "Hey, and I think the reason for it is very logical whether or not you think it works. I like this sequence a lot, but it's from a different movie. Well, it's not the 80s and everyone's on cocaine and nobody cares." And it's more di-hard than it is, whatever this street-level crime movie is,

but it being a secret service movie, I think it would be like a little confusing to a general audience. Like, why is the secret service so involved in the Treasury and counterfitting? And they needed to like establish that solidifies of these agents in what they do. But you could maybe throw that away of like, "Oh, I haven't done a much bodywork recently. I'm just working on counterfitting." Yeah. You could probably get that with a line and not have a guy explode over Los Angeles and then have it be like, "Yep, back to Quentin Daily highlights."

“I think they also want it also helpfully establishes the relationship between the two partners and that like the older guy, you know, who's kind of like at the end.”

I think it's effective even though it is totally a little different from the rest of the movie. Quentin Daily's got a gun, like, "How it's a man?" What's it to worst? Cops has incredibly fun hangs. We don't really get that as much movies in TV these days, no. Not like in the 2020s, that I'm telling. I'm telling my script, no. I feel like we're hanging out at the death of a car with six cops. I think it's more like that behavior is probably

clinically alcohol hotland. Well, copland mid 90s is when we start to It shifts to the flip. What's the current group that you want to see in a bar having drinks after work in a movie? Podcasts are obviously podcasts producers. I mean, they don't want to talk. Emergency room doctors. I like it when the pick guys have a beer after the shift. This is a grizzly stories, though, no? Yeah, but like it's they deserve one. They do deserve a cold one.

They do. Yes, the loop. I would say NBA assistant coaches. That's good for a title. Yeah, fun group. What saves the wears? By burning expensive paintings for real instead of just doing CGI Rainer wedding actually painted that painting that he burns. And they said it was worth like real real

money and Ben Simmons who watched first half of this movie with me before deciding to go back because he

had an exam the next day. It was like that painting's fucking awesome. I can't believe they burned it. He wanted to take for the movie. Yeah, for he can speculate it would have ultimately been very, very valuable. Definitely. Well, maybe do like some sort of backup. Freed can said after the movie his agent fired him is dear friend and agent Tony Fantazi left William Morris signed with the series of agents of managers who were no more effective

and it was very very sad for him. That's each the worst. Yeah, that's that story bump me out.

to love that. We're the can't get fired after that. We're little

skip here where he goes rampage the Guardian after this too. Two of his that I will defend but our very flawed. What's the cocaine level here with Freed. I thought it was in the 70s.

“Yeah, I think it was in the beginning. He's like getting married to Sherry Lansing like he's become”

he's a very he's much more like a citizen at that point. What stages of where they have a deleted scene where Vook Vitch goes to reconcile with his wife and they show in the special edition of DVD and Freed can says he doesn't remember why cuts up our regrets doing it. Yeah, it would have been given on the Vook Vitch character a little bit more depth, I think. Yeah, he probably want to less panic out in the movie. It's like fuck that guy Jesus. This is a really bad wood sage. So where's the

bridge that he bungee jumps from was the Tony Scott. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, my biggest

stage of the worst is you can see them on YouTube is the alternative ending where chances only shine in the chest gets lives and chance in Vook Vitch are exiled to an Anchorage Alaska secret service base where they live in a hut together and they're just sitting there at the end of the movie and then there's a long tracking shot that shows the Alaska outback, but it's very funny that Freed couldn't be like, you guys want another ending? I'm going to Alaska and shoot you another

ending. So funny. The fucking maniac. Yeah. Wait till the source of episode. The Hans Gruber score villain ranking to follow his Rick Masters. 67 something like that. I had eight. Yeah, I would have eight. It's a painter. You know, it's got a lot of redeeming qualities. Oh, I forgot I had the Marin cup ready pizza cutting word for wedding anyone in the set stop to start from doing this the painting. Shouldn't somebody in the set been like, yo, man, we can't actually burn that.

Can we go wide shot where he's about to burn it? And then we go wide shot, replace the painting.

“I don't know, it's life is art, you know.”

Ruffalo Hannah Pert rubin a purchase over acting word. I have pink out here. What are we gonna do now? It's good though. It's good shit. That's what you would feel like. I would I got Robert Downey senior here as Thomas Bateman as well. Did you like him in this movie? I did. He's just put a little mustard on it every time he gets a new scene. I was just coming to see you. Yeah. Yeah. You must be a mind reader. He's very

amusing, but it's a lot. It's very noticeable every time he shows up. You have the flex category. Mind was the, it's a book about metals award, belatedly best quote or exchange. I'm getting to old for this shit two years. Yeah, delete the weapon. See, our things Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford how to stake a word. I have multiple Peterson Don Johnson things here and I think

“they're intertwined here because his movies coming as vices. I think what we said about”

cost are before. I also think could have been the case for Don Johnson. And I'm just endlessly fascinated why some careers go one way. These two guys, Don Johnson kind of peaks with Miami vices. Can't get out of it. Mrs. that window where he could make movies. Peterson gets freaked out by the first two movies he did and just zags. And then you have cost her who's just just hitting it right down the fairway. Just like, yeah. Well, they're cool. Let's do that one. Feel the

dream. Sounds great. Bodyguard. Like he's just doing the Clint Eastwood movie. Okay. And just has the wear with all over and over again to make these pics that continue to vault them. Now he made some crazy ones too, right? He does dance with wolves, which are worth that great water world

that not postman by the mid 90s. It's over. But I'm always interested these guys that are basically

the same. And then somebody sports. It's like you have quarterbacks that are around the same. Yeah. Then it can come down a coach offensive line. The owner, how much money you're spending, not getting injured. But with actors, it's really like all these guys were kind of next to each other and then someone up and some didn't. Yeah. There's like a whole strain of them. The ones that I was thinking about for Mel, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges, and Richard Gear. Those were like,

and I guess Bruce Willis to some extent, but then you also have like William Hurt. You've got Ralph Julia. You know, you've got like a band of actors in the 1980s sort of like Jeremy Irons and Jeremy Irons, like beat to your stars who are always in good films. And he, Tom Behringer is kind of in that bass. 100% there. And he's another one. He's like somewhere to watch over me when someone watch around me and we did that one. But my hardest take was Peterson and Don Johnson could have just

switched careers in '84. And I think it would have been absolutely captivated and see what happened. And I think it could have just been sounding craft. Yeah. I agree. And I think Don Johnson could have

got freaked out by them. Like Peterson did. And I think he just would have been right on the

“costume corner from that moment on. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been that. It actually would have”

been better for him. And it would have all ended up with him on CSI. Yes. Do you ever do one of those procedural switches? That's right. That's right. That's right. You have a hottest take. I got two. This movie is what he would feel like with no metallic, Natalie Portman character. Essentially like has that kind of interesting LA crime saga. Two sides of the law coming

at to a head has incredible set pieces. It basically has minus the fat of like the Natalie Portman

character. The dead as Hayesburg characters. I'm going to like that. My other hottest take is just that this is a better movie than the French connection. It's certainly more watchable to me. It's tough for early 70s versus, I mean, it's not as influential obviously. Yeah. The French connection is not age well as a watch. Yeah. It's not that fun to pop on. It's which is weird because the extra sister is insanely watchable. And it's only two years later. But the French

connection I don't like revisit a lot. Two of the hottest take or no. I did want to already have an email Gibson. Best that kind of word. Have a little switch for this one. After all Craig's pitching. Have it separated in a casuals, weird ones and deep cut. Wow. Damn, call me out.

Casuals Dean Stockwell. That's a that kind of Craig. Of course. Of course he is. He was a huge star,

a child star in the 50s. He's like one of leap for 10 years, you know, 2026. Real ones on the TV show in the real ones jump in and blue velvet. Okay. He came that guy from this movie and from Fraser. Jump back up deep cut. They go to the doctor at one point after Peterson gets to throw his to doctors, where he can so is dad from field of dreams. That's a great one. I don't know what category you would put this one in. But the guy that chants chases across the foot bridge

is Gary Cole. That was mine. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. He's more Gary Cole. I. Yeah, that's we had. Craig, who's Gary Cole? Oh, you don't Gary Cole. He's lumbered from office. Oh, he was in what no, he was in what what kind of a she was in the Brady bunch movie. No. He was on the Brady bunch. Yeah. No, he was in one of the Farrell McCame movies. That wasn't a telediagonized. He's yeah. He's a dad. He's a dad. So, but you but you don't know the name Gary Cole.

“I think I do know the name Gary Cole. But that doesn't mean I don't think he's not a bad guy.”

Okay. Who'd you have for Dan Win? William Peterson is a bad guy. That's just obscene. He was on the number one show on television for 10 years. Yeah. People don't know the name of those actors. You're just young. That's a laugh. Craig gets taken off the shirt. My T.O. waiters was to throw. We haven't really talked about. I had to throw as well. And the check is in the mail. And I love you. And I promise not to come

in the mail now. This is really early for him. He also was on this. He's playing all the hits. Yeah. All the future Tartaro hits. Like every other swing and dick in here. Dave, I'm on the fucking day. I can't argue with that. I do really enjoy the Bob Graham's Dean Stockwell's character at the very end when he's watching the video tape. And he turns to Bianca. And he's like, you may want these. There's some personal things on there.

He's like that. Thanks. Recast the catch director. I already gave you Malcolm Vitch. Can I offer you for the foes girlfriend who we didn't really talk about that. But fear. Yeah. Bianca. Just a couple test drives here. Sure. Melon and Griffith. Okay.

“Yeah. Coming up body double. Rosanna are a cat. Mm-hm. Despletely seeking Susan. Is that 85?”

Yeah. Jennifer Jason Lee. Sure. When's when's fast times? 82. Okay. What about a home girlfriend top gun? Tell me the killer. Tell him he was. Yeah. She was a year after witness. I'm trying to think of like a great dancer in that area. Like as you want to have somebody who's like convincing as a dancer. Rishnikov.

I think that's not your community. I don't know. That's basically a Melon and Griffith light

performance. Mm-hm. I don't not a lot of stuff happen. I mean, there often is really. I think also Sean. That's great. Yeah. But she's doing Zinnan News lately. She's doing very similar makeup in Blade Runner as well. And I would go Bellon and Griffith. I had other names written down for Pankhouse. Sorry. No, this just makes you. I forgot my wrote this down. David Patrick Kelly from the Warriors. That could be interesting. Good to see that.

Young Michael Madson. Two handsome, but we're not rainbow. How rainbow would be good.

but is no longer a part of that category. And I feel like GT in 85. It's a good one. Pretty credible. So John Hurd could be another one too. Oh yeah, right? Coming off Cutter's way. Yes.

“Craig checked out. He's not even like anywhere. I think it was all day. You have Craig. You did your”

flex. Mm-hm. You want to talk about the pitment trader? No. It's not bad. Okay. We need a number two. There was a Pippin trade. Pippin. Oh, Michael Pippin. Yeah. Scotty Pippin. I wanted him on the track. He came back. I can run free now. We're running 100 minutes already. We're past the Craig

Century thing. A half-essering research. I'll zoom through a couple. They produced one million

dollars of counterfeit money and they put deliberate errors in the money and put acts. And that didn't stop some of the money from leaking out. And the son of one of the crew members tried to use some of the prop money to buy candy and was caught and some of the money was still out. That's right. That's like a tone movie. The secret service was picking up bills like years later from this movie. Some different lines. It seems like Craig did. There's like, there's seven

movies that could have come out of this movie. And one of them is the counterfeit bill movie that they made for the movie. But then it's like, yeah. So cool. Cartier sequence took six

weeks to shoot. The best part is it was the last thing shot. So if anything happen to the actors,

stay would have enough bank dirty. And they shot it. The way showing was describing also because Freakam was just like, I just like, the landscape and the horizon on the other side of the road. And we're just going to do it that way. Freakam came up with the idea of staging the chase against the flow of traffic in 1963 when he was driving up from a wedding and fell asleep at the wheel and spent the rest of his life wondering what would happen if he could use that in a film.

Eventually did. And then dreams do come true. All pankos reactions were real. Wangcheng saw a rough cut of the film. She the actor. Wangcheng got saw a rough cut before they did the song. Okay. I heard a panko cut from his JV basketball team. Apex found a panko. No, Matt about you. Wangcheng, yes. Because we're at Wangcheng. It picks about no. Okay. Peter saying that I think it's CSI. Yeah, it is.

“I agree. Secret service movies. Can we do the list? I made the list. Is it in the line of fire?”

That's what that's the ultimate successful, right? Yeah. Okay. So it's in the line of fire. It's Olympus has fallen and the other has fallen films. I even I can't fully support those. The interpreter. Oh, the Sentinel. Starring Michael Douglas. Oh, I'd like the Sentinel. Along came a spider. Do you like the Sentinel? I like the Sentinel. Morgan Freeman actually did a while. Like the Sentinel. For BS month? It's a good month. Garding tests. Nick was cage.

And the comedy is Charlie McLean. And then the bodyguard. Oh, we're fighting our side with the service. Yeah. I would also say in the line of fire. You know, in terms of depicting the secret service in a good or bad way. That guy lost Kennedy. So like it's kind of already playing from behind. It's a great point. Did you include Dave just for the Vingram scenes? Love that part. I would take a bull for you, Dave. It's on mgm's been shown at lately.

“Okay. Yeah. This is on mgm. Do you think that's because there's a new mgm plus show called?”

I forget what it's called. Starring Kevin Klein. I found this. I was Kevin Klein and uh Laura Linnison, Laura Linnie. Yeah. What? It's like a guy on this for like the show exists. It's called American classic American classic. Yeah. Yeah. And John Laura Linnie, right?

John, Tony is the third lead. John, Tony. It's it's of some famous Broadway actor goes back. Okay.

And is in a local play near the end of his career. All hell breaks loose. Almost fired it up last night. Love Kevin Klein. Apex Matt and William Peterson. We did room Defoe. Platoon Spider-Man. Platoon Spider-Man. After Platoon, it felt like he was going to be one of the next big actors. Like he could pick this part for a while. He was his partner. He was letting less him to use crisis. Yeah. Every other actor in this movie, except John Tutoro, probably Apex

Matt. Yeah, Darland, Deborah Furer. Yeah, all that's. Friedkin now. Setting art on fire. Not prepared for that one. Yeah. But he jumping to movie two was probably up there for that one. Bungie jumping probably one of the crews. Jack has some or two. Jack has some or two. Everyone. Getting shot in the dick. Oh, Pulp fiction. Golden eye. Bungie jump. Yeah. Great. Golden eye. Great. Bungie jump. Pulp fiction obviously. Dick Apex Matt.

1985 Chevy Impala. There's a Ferrari at this one too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cruiser Hanks. Cruiser's Rick.

Slick long hair demonized. Loves this would probably insist on doing the art himself. I had cruises Rick as well. Scorsese over Spielberg. Yes. Best hangers Rick. Rick is God. Rick said amazing. He's got money. He's got. He's got. He's got. He's got style and taste. He'll introduce you to the art world. Can I play it? Can we play this out a little bit? What is minute 11 of a conversation with me? I grew up in a house with cops. Like just saying it's rare times like I know.

“I know the, I know the real plus minus of the Chicago Bulls thing. What do you want to talk about?”

For me, it's it's a chance. Chance number one worst hang is Cody always

complying about complaining about his ulcers. Be real, like shoot straight here. Come on. This is a, I think Rick can introduce you into fun nights and new worlds, but you can, I think conversationally, Rick might not be the best, but he can have the craziest night with you. Me. Rick's going to take a sonna. No, just kidding. He's a, is it best hang worst hang forever? Is it like, it's not best friends or the rabbit? It's like one night, one night. Maybe it's Rick. Rick has the craziest

night for she wake up without. Rick's like, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, Jane Leaves. Sure. But like, chance might be like, let's go to the topless bar in Terminal Island. Like, you know what I mean? I know the door girl. This is Taylor's game. Yeah. I am. I'm like six long snapping. I got a watch.

Picking it. I never sat right with me when chance notices something's wrong with the room

service order. Oh, yeah. Why? I mean, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's just about to leave and he just hears a clank and sees something I want. There's nobody's supposed to be on that floor. You're not supposed to be on that floor or the president. Okay. Yeah. It's supposed to be clear. How about Jimmy pulling the guy down from the floor below the terrorists? Pulling him back. Where's he coming from? He's like

“climbing up from like probably a lower roof onto the top of the building, but I, I think it's a stupid”

scene. Tutura's talking to Defoe and they are on the jail phone. Unbelievable shit. Do people just do this? They just openly confess crack on the jail frame for you, man. Mother fucker, he's like, don't write, but you can just do this. I'm sure it will do it all the time. Good. I don't think he just monitor the jail phones. What do they do surveillance? That's nice. That's a really good product. For some part, like a prison. Okay. Like convict in his and his plug

in his connect and they meet up. Should we, should we change like the reality TV pot? We're just calling each other through a funny minute on my, you know, I just, I guess the most random shit on your Instagram algorithm sometimes. Yeah. I was getting women in the IO prison system. Yeah, the most random stuff on your algorithm that tracks all of your interests all the time. So you obviously clicked, I went. Did women in the IO prison system? Do they all look like

Darland Flughal? No. Sally not, but I was just like, these jerks seem pretty interesting. You know,

“like, I don't know why. Wow. That's what we have to go in the algorithm and remove it.”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're eventually, but not for like, there was still like nine days where I was just like, wow, breathe from, reminds me of Boise's scene. She loves him. I haven't taken it. I only had two more, which was the cars on the wrong side of the road, even though we talked about the intentionally, and then why does Vookovich get chances, Bronco at the end of the movie? I don't have a lot of questions. I don't have a will in testimony,

but yeah. My question is, it just seems like it would be much easier for chance to execute masters rather than like create all these different crimes to cover up for each other to arrest him. Yeah. It's like to do the by the book, you arrest him, but you're also breaking laws to do it. And there's no way that case would have ever stood up in to say nothing of the fact that Dean Stockwell already knows how criminal their investigation.

Well, relatedly, I feel like picking that could just be an entire vence and chase award. Like, are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Because here's some of the things that chance does. He races through security and alerts Carl to his presence in the airport rather than just show his ID quietly and find him on the people mover and apprehend him. Then he allows an affair with an informant to shade his ability to make good choices,

and that ultimately leads to him taking the deal with Thomas Ling, which is clearly a set up.

And he says to a judge when he's trying to get his escaped prisoner back, if I was one of your asshole cronies, you'd be spread eagle on your desk to do this for me. And then later he gets shot in the face by a bodyguard.

That could. And it's also not, it's pretty telling. I don't think that there was a long line of

guys to replace Jimmy Hart. Like, when when chance loses his partner, it's not like every was like, damn chance is off. I can be his partner. Right. No, like, they were like, you can

“have a book of it. That's why I had nobody to leave his broco to. Right. It's good point.”

There, that's a great moment early in the movie when they're all drinking a heart after they apprehend or they, you know, they've foiled the terrorist plot and hearts like this fucking Yahoo, you know, he's for a chance. And he's like, this guy's got to me into some trouble. But Vukovitch gets the Bronco, does he get the Nalbu House? Good question. I also have some questions about, uh,

would Starling and Flugos characters name Ruth. Ruth who in the book is called Ruth in the rat. Yeah. She's the rat as we find out during the movie. She's probably feeding him for no other guys ever over at the house. So it's just the unannounced stop by and nobody else there, but they're not really dating. And she can't do the, hey, when can we get more serious? Because he's like, I'll just revoke your parole. Right. This is going to be the arrangement.

But is she not allowed out of other guys though? I mean, I feel like she's just been fully coerced into that relationship. Sure. You know, it's not, I don't know. It's like, like, at well point, is she like, well, I do have a boyfriend, you know, going all trucker. Nice. She gets sent back to prison. Uh, sequel prequel prestige to be all black cast or untouchable. I'm going all black cast for this one. We haven't had it a while.

I said, the black cast would be amazing. Yes, I agree. Sick. They tried to make a

prestige series of this for WGN, for you can try it, but didn't go off ground. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, for you, the florist? Zain low or somebody else. How are you guys feeling about Zain? I mean, every week, it's the high letter by way. I love it. Chance man, you just jumped off of Vincent Thomas and nobody thought you could do it. Alvarez didn't think you could do it. You're potting it in your heart, didn't think you could do it, but here

you are. You got Jimmy hot killed in some ways, because you didn't get his back,

“but Vooka vitches here now and just tell me, man, what are you even, what are you plans?”

What are your plans with roots? What are your plans for masters? Such a talented artist in his own right? I thought you were there a bit of Rick Bastard's go. Rick, the artist. The artist is here. You've done such beautiful work, both with money and with painting. I can't get over the idea of seeing low inviting a local cop. I'm talking about this like when he's investigating what's going on in his life. It's like we can't lie to episode the show

hard, man. I would keep everything a little Ryan Rick on Dorisburg doing the car chase. And Dorisburg just calling everybody mister, but my heart's not so good. We see you, Mr. James. He's driving up the one-way ramp and then Rucca's like, is he going to get there? You bet! Just want to ask her who gets it. Can I offer you original song? Hey, original song or soundtrack. Original song, best music. Okay.

The winner was, say you say me from White Nights by Lano Richie. And I don't say that song kind of sucks, and I like Lano Richie. I wouldn't put that in about 12 Lano Richie. Tell one. Okay. Say you say me say it together naturally. That song sucks.

“It was a really hoping you were going to sing it. I'm sorry. Wait. Am I right? Is that song sucks?”

I never fucking liked Lano Richie. I don't know why you wrote Lano Richie all night long. It's

amazing. Easy. Like I'll go on and on. It was not something's bad. Wait until I'm not nominated. I'm not nominated. Color purple song was dominated. The power I love from back to the future. Honestly, I also could have won. Yeah, yeah. Separate lives from White Nights and then a chorus line went. But fucking Wayne Chung could have seen them at the Oscars. Pretty cool. In the nominees are David Dyna Le, by Wayne Chung. Yeah. What do you think about Anthony Hopkins? Who are you just doing?

I don't know. Okay. Probably an answer because I don't have my Oscar to rob you Mueller, please. Yeah, sure. I don't have any more answer. But questions. Yeah, because we've done all of them. So I did my whole like how did you find out who won that game? I always wondered about this. Chances Jimmy Hart wasn't just as part of it. He was his best friend for seven years. Can somebody really be your best friend after seven years? But you feel like you've got to make a

do you think I've got to go on? Yeah. Wow, interest is high fits your best friend. You've done high fits seven years. Great to be a person. I call. I love them both equally.

have an unanswered question. It was debating whether to try it out or not. Okay.

“Since I have some counterfeit money questions. So the amount of time energy money expenses to”

make counterfeit money didn't seem like a small operation, right? You have all those printing presses and the paint and cable paper chemicals, not cheap. And then somebody's buying the money. So they're, so I'm paying a hundred thousand dollars, but I'm getting five hundred thousand dollars a money, something like that. Probably looks like something like that. I don't think it's a good business. That's a mention. You could be a rest of it and go to jail. Jeff is like,

if you're printing the money, what do you give a shit when I bake? Like he's like just print more money and give it to you. Like how about if you're printing the money, why don't you just keep the money

and just buy shit with it or bring it to like Columbia and buy drugs and then take the drugs

and bring them back. Like what's the point of selling counterfeit money for money? Because I think it's probably supposed to be the criminal act that's closest to artistic creation for masters. I think this is a really interesting examination of how your mind works. Because I don't think the generally held opinion is that counterfeiting money is a good way to make money or a good job or safe. Yeah. It's a terrible idea. It's a terrible idea. It's very likely you're going to get arrested.

It's so dangerous. And I think for all the expensive time that you put into it, I don't see the upside. Well, the only people that are buying the money from you were also criminals and if you sell that money to the wrong person and then that person gets caught, you are fucked. Because not only either they're going to rat on you or you're going to get killed. Right. There's 40 things that

“can go wrong and the only thing that can go right is that you don't get caught. And it seems like”

Rick is making like 30 grand here and 80 grand there. It's not like a huge number. I would rather make the counterfeit money. And if I'm already going to jail for being a criminal at that point, like I'd want to try to buy large quantities of cocaine and heroin. Right. Use the counterfeit money for that to fool the drug dealers, bring the drugs back. Now selling that. Now I'm going to make like quintuple. I'm in the 80s where everybody's doing drugs anyway. I just say I wanted more

from Rick Masters. I thought he was a better business man. Yeah, I just think maybe get a job. Filming better way to do it. Well, like so we're going to Baker's field to make the money. That's smart. Right. He's saving on rent and expenses. He's out of the sea. He's got well overhead. It's just him and overhead. Yeah. But I just don't see the upside. There's probably not a health plan for those guys. I think for Rick in particular, there's just a nice crossover with his artistic interest

and the precision that is required to do the work. So it's like it's kind of an it's like an artisan. You know, it's like a blacksmith who really loves the work that they do. But other questions, how much did his bodyguard guy make? How much of those guys make CR? They get a cut of the proceeds. He cut it. Like yeah, I signed a new deal. I get 10%. Yeah. And I bet for a guy like that probably like what are the other career options for him? Right. Probably get out of jail. Yeah. Craig,

where do you stay in that counterfeiting money and just enjoy the whole finale? Because I don't feel like pass you by. I don't feel like anybody is doing it anymore because I don't think it was a good business. Like if you were nobody uses paper money anymore. But did you give you ever seen like when you go to a bow digger or whatever and you pay with a 20 they like do something with a highlighter on it. See if it's real. Oh yeah, that rings vaguely familiar. But you know, now there's digital

counterfeiting. Now you have some much better business. I was thinking about a coin in crypto. That was fun for Rick though because he's an artist. The move in eyes wide shut where Bill is like gets there in the cab. Terrors the money in half. And he's like, I'll give you the other half of this when I come out. Yeah. And I was like, what if you tried that on a cab driver today? Do you think you just like get the fuck out of my car? Well, he still want to get paid somewhat. Yeah, but like if you were

like here like you can tape this back together. Like when she would need to be like, he does that

when he arrives at the big house of the outside of the party. I mean, the problem is he's all around

the phone fuck just for a long island. So he kind of has nowhere to go. It's a tough one. What piece of memorabilia, would you want from this movie? Rick's burned painting before he burns it. Yeah, I wrote Masters' art collection. I would want the briefcase that Peterson slams, which we forgot to mention how funny that was that he's I love for real slamming the briefcase until it opens. I would have that briefcase, but also with the counterfeit money that they made for

“the movie inside the briefcase. I think it would be the sweet spot. I think we'd be cool to have like”

$1 bill from this movie that had the ex on it. Maybe come with like a poker chip, like the ones they used to feed it up. That'd be cool. Double-feature choice. I had manhunter, would you have? Thief? Very good. Or have you seen boiling point? The Wesley Snipes movie, which is also about counterfitting money. Oh, I have it. 1993. I haven't seen this. Dennis Hopper. He plays a counterfitter and Wesley

there are enough counterfitting movies for counterfitting movie month. We've just knocked one off and

I've named the other. Yeah, there's got to be. There's got to be. Catch me if you can. There's checks. Yeah, that's that count. That's another one. We loved one in that movie when he was kind of fact that checks. Maybe I just like counterfitting. I had a point blank John Borman movie.

“Kind of has some of the like impressionistic moments of this. Who won the movie?”

I think freaky. I'll say Peterson. I think it's 100% Peterson. Okay. Because this starts his career and eventually leads to CSI and him just wandering around large mountain jogging pants, just throwing 20s that people together with Starbucks. Did you do that? No, making that up. Do you think he's ever running a remark in the neighborhood? I bet those guys had some more stories. He's like a handshake.

Yeah. Maybe did you see like the handshake to foe and Jeff have when they're like kind of like

pounding but also like doing a funny war action? Yeah. You think we should be starting doing that? Craig, do you want a handshake for when we see each other? We don't have like LeBron James Hazard's teammates. That'd be great. Okay. Well, like a four day. There's too many ways for men to dab each other. It's like a double dab. What are you bringing? Are you like a bring it in guy? It depends on who you're greeting. It can go all over the place. You could do a stern handshake.

“You could do the full dab and wrap. When you when you see your father-in-law, what's your move?”

Handshake into the wrap around hug. You will hug. Yeah, yeah. My fan radar has been on the fritz recently. I feel like I've gotten hugs when I thought we were shaken. It's hard going for the shake when, you know, what do you mean? Like, it's hard read. I've just been going hugs lately for everybody.

But if you, yeah, if you meet someone for the first time, you're just going pure handshake, right?

No. Yeah, sometimes through the high high five with the quick quick hug. Jacobie's been very tough. Yeah, he's stuck with it. Yeah, but it froze me off because like all sometimes go up and like grab his fist. I'm like this is I don't even know how we're going to hang out anymore. Craig, your thoughts aren't to live in that in a way. Man, literally the first five seconds of the movie. Dude, dude, dude, dude. I was like five five stars.

It's great. Music's at a control. I really, I can't tell if I'm starting to develop poor music taste because that kind of music now is really speaking to me and I'm like going back to that kind of early 80s, sure, kind of music and I find it to be great. But this movie falls in that category of maybe these don't make a ton of sense, but they do in my brain of like body heat, American jiggle, blow out what I wrote it down. Body double. I love these like fucked up 80s movies where the city plays a real

“role in the movie. Like, city is a character. And like you were saying, was it a high art, low culture?”

That sweet spot, I really, really like, and this is like as good as you can get. I love it. I'm not surprised. There's only a couple cities that you could do a movie like this to, right? But this is back in the day when you could run and gun in LA and it wasn't, it's got to be warm weather. It's a movie about the sun. Yeah. Yeah, I think I do like movies where everyone's hot, sweaty, just works. And there's like the movie is two things at once. It can be a turn it on,

check out, just have a good time. And then if you really watch it like you guys are saying, even the more you talk about it, haven't seen it. Yeah, we didn't think it was like, was Ruth selling out dance the whole time, like to who there's clear meaning and messaging. I didn't know they'd that was at a bait. Yeah, I think she was, but like who is she calling? She calling grimes, which she calling masters, who is she calling? I think I mean the true masterminds of the movie are

grimes and, and, yes, Ruth, right? Yes. Darly, is it Darland? Darland? She would have meant a lot to me in 19th century. She's very special. Yeah, that makes that checks out. Can I ask what, what is the modern comp for this kind of movie? Is it caught stealing? What's it? So one of my other double features was dragged across concrete, which you and I were just talking about, which I think is pretty similar to this, where it's like really nasty. Yeah. And like it's more in at night instead of during the day,

but very beautifully shot. They took a run at this late 90s into the early 2000s like Narc. Yeah, Narc is a good version of this. What's the one with, uh, but about Rush with Jason Patchett? Yeah, it's just right. Dude, what do you want to, what are we going to do Rush, brother? That'll be good. I mean, if we do Rush, Jason Patchett will probably show up and crash it. Do you think if you were in another cover, cop, drug cop, at that time, you would have gone into deep,

and not been able to get out? Yeah, you do. What about you? Yes. Yes. Get in 2D. What would be the point of being an undercover cop to keep it just shallow enough? You guys kind of have a heart and chance thing going on now. Is there a way to have an undercover

those streams before? Oh, a guy who's like, I'm into, they're just, oh, they're in two separate

movies, basically, but they're partners. Right. Yeah, the cowboy and the, and the, and the drug addict.

I feel like CR is going to be thinking about this panca thing for some time. Yeah, it's going to

“haunt me all night. I feel like I can't wait to be five bulls. But that's why I was so bad when we”

talk about this and he had a great career. I do have to point out when when chances is pretending to be Jessup. Yeah. Some of the worst tricep extension form. So I was curious about what how you felt about doing, doing deals with your boys while, while doing lifting. It's another great idea for a pod, perhaps. I, I don't think we played that up enough. The lifting scene. Yeah. I'd said it was the most 1885 thing about this. They're all incredibly close. Like all three of them are within

ten feet of what are people behind? One of whom is like this jacked female like bodybuilder with bleach bond hair. Freaking, who's just doing this in a mirror and it looks, it honestly looks like there. It's about to be a porn scene. Yeah. He was such a little freak. I love freaking. Yes.

This is the weird shit in these movies. I cannot get over the flashback to the second scene in

the final minutes of the final minute of the movie. He's talking about the end when he's like, you work for me now. That's the craziest thing in the world. He's like, I'm your pimp just because my partner died. Yeah. Fucking nuts. That goes fast with the pack. Yeah. He goes by fast, but I think that's because there was the tension around like the alternative endings and stuff. I care less even about what actually happens. The movie is more of just a vibe to me.

“Watching the last ten minutes, I'm like, that's what I'm saying. It's a great watch it now and you're”

just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe the sign on the bar. Yeah. The movie is everything in your end is cool. I literally made a, halfway through the movie I realized every single room we're in looks cool for some reason. Yeah. I tried to think about that for the rest of the movie and it holds true when he's drinking a Miller and a shot before he rips off laying the sign behind him says T. M. B. D. Dorado Miller. And I was like, that's the best Miller time sign I've ever seen.

C. R. Month. Three in the book. Rowland. This is part of the LA trilogy we're doing. Do we have what is it? Are we doing five movies or four? It's a five movie months. So we have what the fifth is? Yeah. LA confidential. Oh, a nice question. So nice guys is fourth and then LA confidential is fifth. So you might join us for that one. If the Oscar doesn't kill you for a really confidential. Yeah.

I'll be right in Andy Greenwald. It's going to be the first four person we watch, but we've done

in a while at the other studio at the other studio. Yeah. I can't wait more than anything. Any other feedback on C. R. Month before we go? I just really appreciate everybody's kind of sentiments. This has been a lot of fun. These movies are awesome. People have been asking for merch. Merch. Really. Merch. Do you what how do you feel about a Philly's hat but with C. R in the Philly's script? I sort of with the Philly's get litigious about that. I feel like you're a vocal advocate.

“I am, you know, I believe in everything Dave Dumbowski does. The Philly's got litigious about that.”

That would be fucking bullshit. It also would be like, how dare they do that to see our mood? It would also be great for the pot. If I got sued in the scandal. See you by Dave Dumbowski. Just deep in your folk here. You bought them. You bought the hats with counterfeit money from your counterfeit money business. And then like we would have Bryce Harper come on. He'd be like, "Yeah, fuck Dumbowski. I am a lead."

Do you follow that story? That's a great story. That's it for the rewatch. Well, thanks for too Craig and too Gahau as well and too Eduardo. We'll be back with C. R Month, which will be nice guys. Nice guys. Gosling Crow. Excited for this one. See you next week.