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felt like Kobe had this modern version because we could all see it. We've never seen Wilp's game.

And so Bam of all people Bam out of I/O 83 points at a basketball game. You probably know how it happened and all free throws. I just want to get to all of this stuff because it was one of those moments that I just don't think happens very often in sports anymore because we have so many options. Our attention spans are pathetic and you start seeing like different text threads that you're on. I'll full transparency here. This one thread that I'm on that talks a lot about

college basketball. I saw that Bam had 60 and because I was really locked in and sent it to Tony Omega Boston. I was watching Houston. It's Ronald a couple of the games. Keep my eyes on Washington. Miami was probably not on the priority list of games last night. And so I saw I'm like Bam. I'm like so there must be some guy in the A10 going on in the conference tournament. Like maybe I'll have this. I'll ask what's seen about this Bam guy at 60. And I was like oh no. Bam of the heat

has 60 points. So stop everything I'm doing. Switch over. Go back and watch some of the first quarter where we had 31. Then get into it in the third quarter. So 62 points through three quarters. Each quarter 31, 12 in the second. Who knows what it's impossible. And then 19 in the third. He took 43 free throw attempts last night. He had 42 free throw attempts total in the month of December. He shot terrible threes. Like passes to him as soon as they crossed half court and he just turned

and chucked a three as soon as he touched it. I was thinking about going back and watching every single field bulletempt in every free throw that he earned, you know, with the foul calls. And I want to

see how many times the ball never touched anybody else's hand just because of how absurd the shooting

was. One play once he had surpassed 60. So we're we're like really wondering what's possible here. He passed a Drew Smith who hit a three. Now it's just like he's not getting gritty and you're like dude. He is the greatest motherfucker we've ever seen in a game right now. But I'm going to tell you

so much fun when he had 77 points. He got called for a charge and spoke like I'm going to challenge it.

“He steamrolled two defenders who were completely in position. It won't go down is one of the worst challenges”

in the history of this game. There was no chance that was ever getting overturned and it wasn't that he just charged into one guy. There were two defenders in position. And when I saw supposed smiling and laughing, I'm like, I'm so all in on this. Washington to get back at that challenge decided to then challenge a foul on bam. That was so clearly a foul. So he goes back and takes more free throws. Miami. This is where it got really gross. Miami started fouling up 20 plus points to try to save

time on the clock to see if they could get bam past 81 points. So they start fouling. Then Washington is double and then triple teaming bam is he's in the half court. They excuse me in the back court trying to get it into the front court and they actually just kept fouling them still. Then Washington fouls bam's teammate to try to prevent him from even getting a touch. And then when Johnson's at

the free throw line from Miami, he misses the second free throw on purpose. Like they're down three

with two seconds left and they're not just to try to get him another possession. So bam ends up getting fouled again. He gets to 83 points. And yeah, you could sit there and say that it's gross, but here's why I don't have a problem with it. There's a bunch of reasons why I don't have a problem with it. The wizards want to lose the game. So if you're talking about ethical stuff here, right? Well, it it already is an unethical game. Washington sitting guys, they don't want to win.

And after bam has a absurd first quarter, I love that Spolstra in Miami and everybody was like, let's see what bam can do because we don't get that enough anymore in sports. I know that Kobe fans are freaking out last night. You're put in the extra work trying to find a way to dissect this.

“If you want to get into like what's ethical, what isn't Kobe's 81 is more ethical than BAM's 83”

last night. That's fine. Your ethical rankings are intact. It's totally cool. But, you know, look, that game was out of control. I remember, 2006 is January, Sean Grandy voiced the self. It calls me. He's like, are you watching this? And I was on something else. And I was like, what? And he's like, Kobe's going absolutely nuclear right now. I'm like, thank you, hang up and completely locked in. And I loved all that. I'm like, let's see what this guy can do.

They was close going into the fourth quarter. Lakers are running away with it. It's not a great team. Kobe took 46 shots in that game. His teammates took 44. I believe. No, 42 shots total. The rest of his team, not a great, Lakers team, just over 500. They lost to the sun's blue

3-1 lead, game 7 first round. There's also like game 7 lore of what Kobe not taking a ton of

“Kobe took more shots against the Raptors than he did. I would say in game 7 against the sun's”

in that one. But look, I enjoyed it because I wanted to see what was possible. You know, in baseball, and maybe we were just simple tints back then. Sometimes I miss being a simple tin. But you get the call from your dad. You're like, hey, Mark Portugal's perfect through five. Stop what you're doing. I probably would have already been watching it. But that was kind of fun. Now in baseball, we have people taking dudes out with no hitters through seven because of pitch counts and stress,

like, ah, can't do it. But like, why? Why can't we do it? Why is it accepted? You know, as much as I love Steve Kerr and all the stuff that's happened with the Warriors during this run, when he sat Clay with what 60 points through three quarters, I was bummed out. I was like, I don't care how many they're up. Like, let's see if Clay can get to 80. Let's see it. Like, that night, it felt like it was totally possible. So even with all the free throw attempts, the gross threes,

the absurdity of everything that happened at the end, it was one of the few moments in sports.

I just don't think we have very much anymore. We had live lookins, NBC gave up the first two minutes

of what was it the fourth quarter last night for Boston at San Antonio? We came back to that game at 10 minutes to go in a really good game. The game that everybody's been looking for to all week. And I was totally fine with it because I wanted to know what he granted. I reserved the on the game. But like, once I got caught back up, I'm like, they went live and looked into this stuff. We don't do any of that stuff anymore. And maybe it's fine. Maybe you don't need to go

looking live for home run totals because it seems like nobody cares about any of that stuff anymore. So think about what it is in sports today that would actually get everybody like, that's in it, right? Would it be the rushing record for a game? I mean, I guess we'd all

would really get us to stop to go, like, let's see what's possible. And look, full transparency, you can say that I'm a hypocrite. You can say that I'm contradicting myself. I'm admitting it a little bit, is there a short list of other players that if they, if they were trying to go for 80 plus points and played like Bam did last night, then I'd go, all right. But I would think that

“those guys, like that's what they cared about. So much, I think this has as much to do with my”

amy celebrating a guy in bit. This is more than double his career high. What he scored last night is more than his next two highest scoring games. 41s is career high. Kids are going to be asking you years from now when they see Willet, Bam, Kobe, you're going, what the fuck was that? Maybe they won't swear. Maybe they'll be younger. Maybe you have a really loose thing in your

house where like I never want to put me, you know, restrictions on my children. But this is

important. Even if it's absurd and even if it's a little gross. And by the way, the wizards were fouling him. Like it wasn't like he was baiting all of these calls. They were hacking him all night with a bunch of guys that were completely overwhelmed. If they were upset about this, they should have done something earlier. Or just say, hey, we got to stop fouling this guy as much as we are. So I loved it for Bam. I loved seeing Spole laugh and smile. I loved when they subbed him out. I loved

the Norm Powell quoted this unbelievable quote where he's like, Bam, you will now hear your name with Will, Bam and Kobe, and you're like, yeah, I know I'm right here, man. I'm totally fine with it, because the wizards wanted to lose the game and the heat were like, all right, if this thing's already kind of a mockery in the sense of what competition is supposed to be, we'll give, we'll give you something to think about tonight. And it'll be one of those moments where for the rest of

your life of your NBA fan, you're going to remember last night. And I don't think that happens very much anymore. This segment is presented by Microsoft. This was the segment I was going to open the show with. This is a segment that's been riding around in my head for about a week now was what the San Antonio spurs have been doing and what I'm willing to say about this team in a way that I normally don't really say these kinds of things. A little bit on the game last night,

I thought bosses are a really good job trying to just maintain anything with Wendy inside the three point line. You know, going into it, it depends like, look, any team can win any game depending on how the three point shooting goes. It's certainly Boston is equipped to do that and get one in San Antonio. But when you're thinking about like, how would a series play out and you just go,

okay, who's been a really nice player or incredible story, he's probably a backup on a good team.

But he's been terrific. He's been a terrific story of the Celtic team, but ultimately like having a big

“half-to-defend one, Medyama for 30 plus minutes. Like, that's not the best way to go about it.”

You'd need some other kind of undersized bulldog to put against him. I think that's super important. To try to just, you're going to have to get into him, try to wear him out. Like, that's what teams are going to try to do in the playoffs against him. And it's still not necessarily going to work. You're not going to neutralize this guy. He's just too special. He had a dunk last night where I think it was a gold tent on his own attempt or he had gone up kind of like, Murph to lay up a little bit

and then just clamp down and finish it with his other hand. And I don't have a problem with it not being called because I think everybody was like to that actually just happen, which is basically what this guy's doing, not just once a night. It feels like multiple times a night. You're like, what how did he catch that? And then he turned and finished it. So I think he actually gold tented his own layup attempt, cleaning it up with a dunk, didn't really matter. But again, to Boston to their credit,

if you go like, all right, it's Garza and Cata with Vooch out with the finger injury. He's like, well, how's this going to look? And I thought they did a good job of at least like not letting him just dominate inside offensively. They even had Sam house or lined up on him a bunch of the defensive assignments, which was something else they were doing. It was almost like this is own look where they were trying to pack it in even Ron Harper Jr. who was terrific for Boston last

night. Like, it was kind of lined up behind him, even when when people was setting up in the free third line. Just as an aside though, I don't know if I'm just stupid about this. I need to ask him smarter basketball people than me about it. And I know no one cares about post stuff. Like, I brought up, hey, look at the last time like somebody to lead the league and post touches or post ups because post touches post ups are different things. And the way that they're they're, they're kind of sorted

but like that Al Jefferson number of like 20 post ups a game. It's just like that's never going to happen.

“I think usually it's like under 10, but again, sometimes the post touches post ups are kind of”

qualified a little bit differently here. I just wonder, like, especially if you feel like you have more spacing now because you can see Boston making defensive decisions were like, all right, we're going to always leave castle. We'll be one of the things that we're going to try to do. And maybe we'll always leave Dylan Harper and, you know, Darren Fox has started cooking here again

this ankle injury for over a week. But, you know, there's, there's some shooting happening here in

Carter Bryant, the rookie who's like profile was at the very least. He's a shooter who's going to give you spacing. There's some combos here. The spurs can run out there to try to space it even more against one beat, which kind of like makes me feel even better about their run through the playoffs here potentially. So kind of back to like what Boston was was trying to do not, you know, not necessarily being able to do like when he's kind of like, all right, fine, if we're going to do

this, and I'm going to take some more threes and shake threes he did. He ended up with eight of them

“last night, tying his career high 39 points 11 boards. And he was fantastic. And I think defensively,”

even though Derek White was really good. And Derek White had two finishes in the paint that I can't believe, but you're going to go like really quick. And you kind of have to know what you're going to go like on the short side of the rim. He got one beyond one of them. But for the most part, it didn't look like Boston. It's kind of interesting working down there. And they know, look, they don't normally want to be down there anyway. And they started off hop from three nine to seventeen, but they closed

on ten and the last 34. Jamele Brown was also ejected in this one. He was ejected. A boss was up 51 49. He was on the right side line, felt like he got pushed by Castle. And Castle does have his hand in his back. And a pushes can be weird because you'd think if you're a big, strong dude, you know, he's a hand in the back. And if you're on the ground, not when you're in the air, because then the slightest shoved can derail your whole path. And that's where it gets really dangerous. But

I didn't look like a ton, but I don't know. You know, sometimes guys can be really strong and just kind of like a slight push in the hip and then it sends you flying. And then Brown kind of stumbles out of balance. So I don't know. Maybe he was totally shoved. He doesn't necessarily lose it like that. So, you know, you got to give some guys a benefit of the doubt that aren't just completely hysterical throughout the entire game. So here's a huge spot for Boston on the road.

See how they match up. Tames have only been back for three games. Brown goes to Tyler Ford.

“Who I think is one of the better officials in the league. Ford acknowledges it kind of”

let's go. I saw some controversy about like how Ford was arrogant with the whole thing. I think Ford was just kind of go like, I'm going to let you go. And I'm going to give you a little grace here because Brown was really going at him. Let's him go kind of nods and then Brown comes back for more. And then Ford's like, all right, now to give you the technical. And then Brown goes

back for even more. And another official gives him the second technical. On the broadcast last night,

they were like, hey, the officials need to take care of each other. I can understand that way of thinking. But when Ford is the guy, I imagine he was a true chief last night. I think I think you got to allow him to be the guy that's going to now eject Jalen Brown. Because I don't think he's clearly any more than to give him the first technical, felt the leaky hat to. So I thought the second one, I personally in the moment was like, I think that's unnecessary. I think you let Tyler Ford

just be in charge of this entire thing. But whatever, they worked together as a team. And maybe that was the right thing. I didn't necessarily like it. I thought it was ridiculous for Brown completely losing his shit being completely unhanged. And then tweeting about it minutes later, you're like, come on, man. This is a huge game. And they desperately need you. So Boss is still kind of in this thing in the fourth quarter and then the three point shooting. And there's just really nice stretch.

It might have been even in the third where it's like, one be hits one, Castle hits one, Vessel hits one.

And you're just like, it just keeps getting better every week with the Senate Tony O'Chink. So you already know this, but if I let you kind of, it's not, this isn't that exciting. Like, who let me take you behind the curtain and how all this stuff works. But this job, okay, this job is pretty simple. In the sense where if you're an opinionist, you're watching things, you're forming opinions. And you go, what is actually important the next day? And then to another degree for those

of us that are all trying to get people to pay attention to us is like, what could I say that no one

“else is saying, what can I say that'll make me first? What's a definitive statement? And honestly,”

it's kind of like, who gives a shit if I'm right or wrong? Will people pay attention to me? And some people that is the number one priority with this job, they don't care about like, hey, this is a little soon. This is probably a little irresponsible. Seems like a harsh word for what it is that we're doing here. Like, oh, that's just an irresponsible thought on whether or not you think the pistons are good. Like who gives a shit, really, right? But there are different ways of doing this

job, but it all kind of comes down to like what you're willing to do. And for me, it's, I'm far more reserved and doing it as long as I have sometimes, I'm surprised it's ever worked out. Because, you know, I've had, I've had bosses that are just like, you know, like, there's certain guys that kind of get it a little bit more than you do. And I'm like, no, I get it. I'm just not comfortable doing something unless I'm totally comfortable when I'm saying like, unless I absolutely

believe it, I can't do it. And what I've been thinking of doing is saying, I think the spurs are winning an NBA championship this year. I just, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I can get there. I so I don't know that this is me saying it because if it was me saying it, the headline of the podcast,

what am I going to be able to title here that's remotely different at all and it's kind of

being the same. But like, have the Titans righted to ship week seven. It's getting ready for that one, this fall. I am not saying, because I still think it would be a little irresponsible. But man, there is a lot of evidence that makes me want to say, I don't think anyone else is going to beat this spurs team in the playoffs. They are now seven and one against the top two seeds to Troy Boston and OKC. They have this foreign one record against OKC in the regular season and that

“shit felt real. When I watched OKC struggle, when OKC makes it hard on everyone else, right?”

Like those those six to eight minute stretches with the thunder rear like, oh, they're completely locked in and they're also making shots. So now you're freaking out about being like everyone's making shots and we're focusing on trying to cut off SGA at some point. And SGA, I think one of the greatest parts of his entire thing, not just his ability in a shot, making in the mid range and the passing and his efficiency, because all of it is off the charts, it's that I think he's OK taking

a back seat on shot attempts, not only because of the recent success, but I just think that's the way he is wired as a player. And yet when I look back at those regular season games against San Antonio, he's like, this is the opposite now. Like San Antonio looks like they're the ones that are making it really hard on OKC in the way that OKC does it to everybody else. And in those five games, when Benjama's minute total, when Benjama's 28, 28, 28, 26, 23 and 21. That's in reverse order,

28 being the most recent game. Only two starts in the five against them. Now, OKC completely pundit on game five in this one. If they play their regulars, then it will three, two, we look at

“it a little bit differently. I think it's important to bring that up because that four one thing”

is going to be repeated nonstop as we close the regular season. If they face each other in the Western Conference finals, if the seating's hold up, it's going to be a Hay 4141 and there's going to be a huge argument from the OKC side being like, look, game five doesn't even count. But at the same time, if you're the spurs, you're like, when Benjama's not even cracked 30 minutes in a game against OKC, he started in only two of these games. So in a way, I think that would

kind of neutralize out what the full form version of both of these teams would be in the playoffs. Average age of the spurs. Now, if you go back through history, the youngest team to win an NBA championship is the 77 Portland Trailblazers. Average age around 25. It's kind of disputed a

little bit when you go back and look it up. The second youngest team to everyone in NBA

championship just happened with the OKC Thunder, average age for them, 25.6 years. Right? So

“young, which is usually the worst thing to bet on for postseason success, just happened last year.”

Now, OKC could point to the 24 playoffs and say, hey, that Dallas series losing in the second round, Jalen Williams disappearing and not being entirely ready. Like, you know, look, you need those playoff calluses. I'll go back to that Houston OKC series where Chris Paul was on the team and it went to game seven, which was kind of insane that OKC was even in that series to game seven to be honest with you. And Shay was uncomfortable in that game. I thought he was uncomfortable,

multiple times offensive possessions because it was still so new to him. And it's a really important

thing to never dismiss because there are going to be times in the playoffs where it's just when

it's your first time and you're this young, it's just not going to be as comfortable as all these other months of regular season games. So the average age of the spurs is 23.2 years. That's less than two what? It's over two years younger than the average, you know, look, some of the math on this like who really gives a shit Harrison Barnes skews that number. And again, he's not even playing in the last week. They're so good with what they've got now to Dylan Harper, what they've been

able to get out of Kel the Johnson coming off the bench. And again, those Carter Bryant minutes that you've almost forgotten about him and you wonder like what would be their preferred closing group. If they just go, hey, we want to go younger. We want to go more tenacious defensively. We don't want to have any kind of target. I think Champennes, the only guy that you can really say, hey, I want to go and hunt him. Maybe it's Kelden a little bit if you can try to bring him away

from the hoop. But then you can do all of these things and then when Ben Yamma cleans it all up behind everyone else. It's why when I look at certain matchups and I go, if Detroit were to play them in the finals with when Ben Yamma able to show on the K drive and then get back and recover against the during the Lobbs. Okay. And they can't shoot really. You know, Boston feels like the size of their perimeter players. I thought there were moments last night against San Antonio

where they even though all these defenders and all these guys that we really like. Like, man, there's not just a lot of size here. And when Tatum's fully backed and everything like, do they have a chance? But then I keep thinking about the center matchup. Houston forget it. Like, no chance. No, I've seen it too much now. Not necessarily even against each other,

free safety here in the paint. And then maybe we put when Ben Yamma on a men and a men even makes the one three a night. And I'm like, I don't care. You know, it doesn't matter. And then again, back to the original point. It gets match against okay. See, there is so much regular season basketball from San Antonio that tells me just fucking do it. Say it. Say the spurs are going to win the NBA championship. Maybe the first national guy just putting his flag down and saying,

I don't need to wait. I don't need to wait. But when they've never had anything like okay,

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Learn more at Microsoft.com/m365 Copilot. Mike Sando joins us again from the athletic and we're a couple days into free agency. The legal tampering period opens up on Monday. And Mike, we have to start with the headline of the Max Crosby deal to the Ravens two first rounders going back to Vegas. And then yesterday afternoon, depending on where you were, maybe a little bit later on the night, the trade rescinded because Crosby took a physical with the Ravens. They didn't like what they saw.

And there is just kind of NFL hysteria today. So what do you have for us? Yeah, the physical is a lot of things have changed about the league over the years. But

“the fact that you have to pass a physical for a trade to go through is not one of them. That's just”

always been one of the oldest things that is that is always a last minute out on a deal.

And depending on the building, the where you work, doctors have different levels of power, different levels of relationship with ownership, different amounts of juice, different amounts of, I want to cover my butt. Okay. So I'll give you an example. One of the most famous situation has been wrong. Will required Brett Farve from the fallocons he hadn't really played. Anybody was a, he was a talent to cross back to obviously. And if the doctors in Green Bay failed

him on the physical and run wolf temporarily panicked, like shoot. But then what he did was he fired the doctors because he kept Brett Farve and it became a great Iron Man. There wasn't an owner there. He didn't, he kind of do what he wanted to do, right? But in other cases, famously, Drew Breeze was going to sign with the dolphins and they couldn't get him through the physical.

“And so I think it was Nick Sabin was the coach at the time and they couldn't get it done.”

They couldn't get it best the doctor. So he went to the saints in this case. And you knew you knew that was the any-cannels dad. It was the doctor, right? Yes. Yes. Right. Yeah. So in this case, we were all kind of like, "Oh my gosh,

the ravens are trading two number ones. They hit on all these first-ram picks a lot of the time.

That's their lifeblood." That just isn't how they've operated. Yet in this climate today, we've seen those teams that felt like they should have won the Super Bowl in the year. Mahomes wasn't a big factor in it. You know, make moves. The Rams are a wheeling and dealin. The bills have acquired DJ Moore to price the people were like, "Wow, that's more than I thought they would pay. There's urgency with these teams." But the two number ones is a lot. So I could totally

see in this period now of legal tampering where initially there's less due diligence done. Typically, if you were to do a deal in the middle of the season, some of these things like the physical might be done or you'd have it more finalized before it even got out. Now with this legal tampering window, there's all this time and you agree to something, but you haven't done the diligence of this sort of a thing. And so there's time.

“There's lots of time to get cold feet. So I think that's clearly what happened here is they looked”

at Max Krausey. Maybe they had some cold feet like TST. You really want to do this. The doctor has some concerns. Maybe the doctor's really in with the owner there, whatever. And they just decide, "Uh, let's do tray handrics instead." Or, "Let's do tray handrics instead." And maybe we can still work something out for Max Krausey. It doesn't cost us as much. Yeah, I mean, people are treating this like a really historic moment. You know,

and the ravens are, I think getting crushed in the media on this one. And maybe they deserve it. Because I think there's, and again, we're just talking about somebody else's health when we have no education on all of it. But I would say, like MCLs, it was something he played with all year long. And that's part of why Vegas shut him down at the end, which he was upset about. He was

knee operations that you could have. And everybody knew that he was going to have surgery. He had the surgery. I mean, I don't necessarily care that his agent said that he's progressing and ahead

“of schedule. That's what everybody says about all this stuff. But they knew like you're going to”

be thinking at somebody that has an MCL. So I don't know if it's like you do it and you're totally on board. And then you start thinking like you they had to have been already having hours and hours

of conversations about the price and the two first rounders. But then sometimes like when a trade

can leak and people can get upset about the price or the players getting traded and it's like, oh my god, we didn't know what's going to react like this. And then this is something we won't do. And there's, I think teams do that on purpose all the time. They do it in the MBA where it's like float something out, kind of see the reaction and then that'll give us kind of the temperature on on what this would be. I don't know that there were Ravens fans freaking out about giving up two

first rounders. So I don't know that it could be that because their sack totals, their edge guys, like it's just been a massive weakness for this team. And so you're bringing in an absolute study here. So I don't, I'm just asking it and I'm kind of playing it out, knowing full well that well, I don't know. The doctor could have gone in there and seen something that he didn't like and it was like, hey, this is enough. He's had seven eight surgeries, you know, for the years. I mean,

the guy's an Ironman. He's absolutely everything you want in a player in terms of that you would guy plays all out. He practices all out. He plays through injuries. You got to shut him down for his own good. Although in this case, let's not pretend the raiders are some fountain of nobility. I mean, they're trying to get the number one pick, right? I mean, you see that if they were in it, they would have kept him going. So he wanted to go and they weren't going to let him. And

we can all, you know, we all know some of the reasons why. So you could though very plausibly bring him in and be and look at the physical and go, it's not just the same seal of least of our concerns. My gosh, this is a train wreck of surgeries. And we don't know how this guy's plan. We don't think we can get three years out of them. That could totally happen with somebody like Max Crosby, who's a gamer. He's going to go out there and play anyway. Probably played through a lot of

stuff. He could totally be worn out, you know, and have a short shelf for shelf life. And they thought, to me, that's plausible. One thing I thought was interesting is now like the market for Crosby. Like if you're vague as who's been spending all this money in free agency, thinking, okay, we're

“moving off of the Crosby money, what happens now? Because I think there's a few different ways”

you could speculate about this. You'd be like, okay, well, now the price is going to be completely different because the Ravens rescinded the deal, although I've also thought, wait a minute, if everybody that I've seen at least on the media side, and some of the stuff that we're watching on ESPN were, it's like, oh, other teams are outraged. You know, anonymous quotes from other NFL execs like criticizing the Ravens. And then you're like, well, if everybody thinks what they did was wrong,

and it was them just getting cold fee, and then pivoting to tray andrics, and then maybe the market for Crosby shouldn't be as depressed. If people think that what the Ravens is wrong,

but maybe you're getting five quotes from guys that have no interest in Crosby in the first place,

so it doesn't even mean anything. So I think there's a lot of different ways to go on where the Crosby market actually is right now. We know this, the Raider's lost control of what a value is, so that teams are not going to be out there going, hey, this sure was wrong for the Ravens. We'd like, hey, the same price. They're going to be like, hey, the Ravens backed out, obviously the price isn't too long, and we got some, we have some real concerns. That's when anybody's going

to tell the Raiders, right? We get a, we get a, we really want to look at the physical here ourselves,

“and then they can look at it and say, oh, yeah, we really think it's two, two, right? That's what”

any smart team would do, right? Well, sure, I'd be doing whatever I could to use it against them. But I, I thought it was just a little interesting, like, well, if everyone's mad at the Ravens, then wouldn't that mean that there's other teams that could say, well, I, yeah, I was, I would think, obviously, right, if I'm one of the other teams that was remotely interested, it's Dallas, who, his doctor, their doctors involvement in this kind of adds another layer to this, the story

on being consulted on some of this stuff. New England where that story comes out that Brady's potentially reluctant to want to do anything with the New England Patriots, which I'm totally okay with. They got rid of Brady and Brady did everybody favor. Brady did Bella check a favor. Brady did craft a favor. He let craft for move himself into situation. Brady was should have been as competitive as he is. And that guy's a psychopath. He should have been, like, absolutely torching that place on

the way out. But he didn't out of respect. I think the craft more so than Bella check. But he's never

going to forget that. So when I had heard the story that it's like, hey, he may not want to send Crosby to Foxboro. I was kind of like, yeah, I get it. I think that kind of makes sense. So to first, I mean, yeah, it's probably not happening. It's probably not happening now.

markets, people who spend a lot of money are committed a lot of money. I think it's fascinating. The radar part you mentioned is, you know, they took the center of 50% over the market and all these different things. You know, is it all hard there? They have had Crosby on the books. I mean, it

“changes your picture, right? Yeah, can Crosby go back there? I think it's tough. I mean, he, he's not going”

to want to. He already burned that bridge or, you know, they did it. They burned it. Whatever. Yeah, I want to do that. So I don't know. It's, it's got to be a fluid situation. How did you feel about Vegas and the rest of the signings? Linder Ram that you mentioned, Nail, or Nicole B. Dean, could he pay? They paid a lot of money, too. When you're a really bad team and need players, I mean, we can all criticize and say that you

shouldn't build a team in free agency, but they, they got to spend it on somebody and they, they don't have anyone good. So I, I think for a Linder Ram thing, I get that with the center. I think their offensive line's been a big problem. I think the center position is probably valued a little bit more in the outside zone, run scheme that could be actually going to bring there. And I think it's a stabilizing force for young quarterback if that is indeed their plan

“draft windows or have a young quarterback in there. I think having a veteran center is a great”

place to start and is an underrated position for that. So even though they, you know, paid more than people thought, you know, I can get it. I can get it in that, that type of position when the line's been such a problem. The rest of them, I mean, you know, I suppose they can help you get more competitive but I'm not sitting there going, you know, they're fixed. No, I think my question could then are all like who's going to be the coach, who's going to be the coach in two or three years,

or what, how's it going to evolve with the owner there, you know? Yeah, I doesn't sound like you're just overflowing with enthusiasm about their

all season here a little bit. I like, though, here's what I like about them. I do think that

Clinton Kubiakis is just a good football person. I think that John Spide Tech is a good football person in the GM. And I think Tom Brady, while I've been very critical of teams that are, you know, enlisting quarterback and asking them for their opinions and all of this, I do think Tom Brady has shown an ability to improve in the things that he cares about. And obviously, we saw that at football, but I think it has a broadcaster, you know, he people said he sucked for the first start of it,

and now that he's made a move, he's gotten better at it. So, I do think there is at least some hope that Brady can become a good, you know, get better and better at whatever role he has with the team, but I still, you know, Mark Davis is the common denominator there, and I think that makes it difficult, longer term. Let's talk a little bit about Miami. You know, there was a time where you would look at a dead cap number and you'd go, there's no way any team would ever do that. And we've

seen it happen almost every year now and a new record for dead money for the dolphins is just

under $100 million dollars to what they'll owe to, and the way they'll be able to split it up in

26 and 27 surpassing the number for Russell Wilson that was North, I think, just like 80 million bucks there, and then they pivot, and it's Malik Willis limited time. I think in the limited time, though, it's kind of exciting. He's somebody that, you know, has kind of been on the radar of, like, if you ever got him kind of in the right spot. So, what do you make of kind of the green-based south thing that's going on here with the dolphins and the financial decisions on top of everything else?

I mean, I get it that when you get a short runaway, when you come in as leaderships, so you want to have people in there that you know and trust, and that's the oldest axiom in football, right? Everybody brings in, you know, somebody they know and trust and they don't have to spend three years figuring out that it was a bad fit, but at the same time, I mean, you know, what are the odds that Hathley was the best possible coach, but Willis is the best possible

quarterback. It does feel like a small circle there, and you know, I would be worried, I'd be a little bit worried if I were them just based on that owner, you know, what's he going to

be looking for in a year or two? I think he's always been somebody shooting for the, you know,

Jim Harboss of the world, or he was making a swing up Brady, and obviously they didn't do that this time, but what happens, you know, what happens in a couple years from now? What sign did you love? Like, what do you, is there a team? Is there a fit? Is there a player? Is there something that's happening here? We're like, you know what? This was actually awesome, and maybe lost a little bit. I kind of like the Panthers investing so much money in Jalen Phillips and Devon Wow,

“not because I think those are the greatest moves ever, but because I think it's a really important”

year for them with their defense and their defensive coordinator to make a move. And to me, this is

I could see those players, you know, you know, being pieces for the future, whether or not they keep heading in the same direction. I just think they're an internet team, because because Carolina to me was all over the place with David Tepper. And that's kind of calm down. And they won the division, but they rate nine. You just don't get the feeling that, I mean, they've raised a floor, but like, what are they really going to be, right? And so I sometimes kind of

like to see a couple of investments made so that we can evaluate, because to me, their defense has been disappointment there for them. And so you could say maybe they didn't have the players. Well, they got a couple of guys now. I'm anxious to see if it makes any difference. The Jalen Phillips number though, and I know the headline versus the guaranteed money in the first two or three years of the deal, but that just felt like, you know, somebody who couldn't stay healthy with my

Amy, Philly felt like they paid, you know, a decent premium to bring them in, because they felt like

even with their drafts, like we need another edge presence here. But when it's four years 120 million

that was a lot, I was surprised. Yeah, I don't like it for the right reasons. I mean, I like it for the interesting reasons, like to me, I, that's just that they're an interesting team to me,

“that when you win the division eight nine, how good do you feel, right? You shouldn't, they, I honestly”

think people feel too good about Carolina right now. Agreed. The way they're talked about in no one will remember they're eight nine going into 26 or be okay, Bryce Young figures of stuff out. I look really bad. It was certainly better than where it had been for like a year and a half, like I'd be in bench for Andy Dalton. So, part of the hard crossroads there that may not be a scene as much, you know, based on those things, they've improved here and there, but what

are they really doing? They're really going to make a move, you know, and so that, those caught my attention. Do you have a couple that you really liked? Well, on psyched Alec Pierce got four

years, 114 million, again, these are the headline numbers as opposed to the guaranteed money that's

involved, but it's still a massive amount of guaranteed money for him. I think he's getting trashed a little bit in, well, not him, but the Colts are in the sense that it's a guy with 47 catches a thousand yards, his yards per catch, obviously, because he's kind of this, this downfield threat. But the argument is they're aren't you paying this guy like a number one, is he an actual number

“one? But I think it speaks to probably what they're projecting for him, because he's been a home”

run to this point. And like, okay, fine, he's not a top five receiver in the NFL. But to me, this one made a lot of sense, and maybe it was a reaction of a lot of people that hadn't realized how good he's been. Yeah, and also Smith and Jake was going to take that market to 45, right? There's something, so what, like, I've been looking at these receiver deals going, like he, like, Seattle's interesting, 17 million a year for for for for, for, for sheech heed, and you go,

wow, it sounds like a lot. Then you're like, well, the top of the market's going to be 45, pushing towards 50 soon, then Alec Pierce make it 28 or whatever he's at, isn't at the top of the market, right? It feels like it is, but it's not. Yeah, but I think that's a great point, when people say no, he's getting paid like a one, it's like he's not going to be paid as a one here, in comparison with what some of those other guys are going to do. I like Kenneth Walker to Casey,

just because I felt like, and it's not because he wants Super Bowl MVP, I just, throughout the year last year, especially once, Sharber name was out, I'm like, this guy is really, really good, even if we kind of all understood that maybe there's some top end limitations with him,

“but I think the more interesting part of this is Kansas City, trying to get this running back thing,”

right? Edward's a layer, they took in the first round of years and years ago, I think fantasy people were way more excited about it than maybe like what he was actually going to be,

but he was just so good in multiple ways with LSU, but they were also a million first rounders all

over that team. So that didn't work out and they've tried a bunch of different things, but Czechos had some moments there. They brought hunt back. There's another guy that I'm actually forgetting, I'm wondering how that would impact them at number nine, because I think a lot of this got excited about you are my love. Absolutely, I mean, I think that that move and the same move show that they're not taking love, right? Up that high. So to me, the cheese are fascinating,

because like the problem has been running back, but it's also just that they don't really want to run the ball, you know, and they don't really set up to commit to a run game. I think they need to more than ever because of the homes that's coming out the injury, they obviously were putting too much on his plate in my opinion, he's scrambling and running around too much and as you get in your 30s now, but I want to see that more and more. I want to see

the game get easier for him and them to make it easier for him. The way other people do. You know, the most famous example later in his career, but probably not so much later was when John L. way got, got Mike Shanahan, right? And he suddenly you're more under center and you've got

been willing to do. Even though Dream Hunt, we're led the league in rushing 2017, obviously, before my homes is there, I would just like to see a little bit more commitment structurally to setting up the run game and having getting the most out of this back, as opposed to just

always being a kind of a shotgun team that, you know, yeah, you're back is there, but you don't

really have a run game that scares you. I think for Sean Smith who's a guy is thinking of, but I don't know that why I just looked at the numbers again. I was like, what was it that you really excited about him and his limited touches throughout the entire thing? Kelsey, be back, one year, 12 mil, don't even know, you know, that might just be like, hey, let's just get you a respectable number here with with his decline of the last year. And maybe he's better if it

“doesn't feel like he's the only thing that they trusted with their receiver care cell in the”

run game that we just talked about. Yeah, and I think last year, you know, so he's at 50 yards per game, which is a career low, probably going back to his first year, but his yards per catch came up a lot. So I do think that he was better and a more limited role and he was playable, right? I think he was heading towards not being playable the year before. So I think I'm okay, you know, with the reduced number for him and he's a franchise icon and and does give, I think he still

does give them something, uh, whereas coming into 2025, I thought, uh, they probably should have moved on. And my home's wants him there. Yeah, I think I've trust him, you know, one year 12 more than that. I just want to don't, you can't pretend he's something he's not, right? And I think

this deal is a decent adjustment. Mike Evans, three years, 60.4 million, 32 years old,

going to San Francisco, uh, talk about another team that's just tried to write the ship here with their severs between injuries and moving up in Debo when they probably moved on from him at the right time with I, you can choose, um, you know, they, they've just had so many injuries here on top

“everything else. So I love it, just because I think if that guy's healthy, I don't care how old he is.”

I, I love, so I think that they also needed like a breath of fresh air in their kind of receiver group, it's just been such a downer with, you know, the IU situation and it's been tense and it just hasn't been good. And I, I feel like also they're not going to have, you know, George Kittle necessarily, uh, for a while. And I think that this, Mike Evans is a big body receiver who's going to be in the right spot and, uh, is definitely going to help them. That being said,

he's going to do his age 33 season. He missed nine games last year. So, uh, you're on a team where that's already the case with Kittle, uh, you know, McAfrey led the league and touched his last year

for the third time in his career. The last two times he did that he got hurt the next year. So

it was a minor miracle to me that he held up under the, pounding last year. One of the odds that Christian McAfrey, what's the over under for games played by Christian McAfrey, right? So I think they're still have the same issues and Mike Evans doesn't fix those issues because he's going to be 33 himself and just missed half the games. So if and when the injuries hit them, let's not talk about the electrical substation there. Let's talk about the fact that they got a

bunch of old guys, Trent Williams, right? Mike, Mike Evans, Christian McAfrey now and running back years is up there, um, you know, and Kittle's already old and coming off of a big injury. Yeah, and there's all played nine games for him last year, um, which, you know, baby, because he's younger or whatever, he can get right, but it's, it's felt like a string of injuries that maybe they should have factor. And so like if you're going to crush the Evans deal, I guess I just love them

so much, uh, but there seems to be a trend of, of San Francisco making some decisions on players or it's like, well, there were already, when you drafted this guy, there were already some injury concerns. Like when you brought this guy, there were injury concerns. So then he starts sitting there and people are coming up with conspiracy theories on the magnetic field of the entire thing. It's like there's probably a more pragmatic way to look at some of the decisions that have gone into the

actual positions of players. Yeah, and they're going to get some good games for Mike Evans. I mean, I think he's a great pro and I think he'll, you know, he improved them, but it feels to me like, you know, hey, they obviously feel like let's make another run at it.

“So that's what you do, you know, but it could easily, the odds of it working are probably”

lower than the odds of it not working to me. Yeah, that's fair. Um, boy, I'm off a, now he was somebody when he was starting for Seattle, or in 23, it was kind of felt like the sky's limit for the sky. And it speaks to Seattle's depth that he was more of a rotational guy. So the overall numbers two sacks, you know, I think 30 tackles, maybe 30 more or something like that. You know, like, okay, well, what happened to the guy a couple of years ago? Well, it might just be simple as a snap

count, which I don't have. Unfortunately, off the top of my head here, but you got to see this guy

be a couple of years ago to where he is now. And now he's been seeing it, uh, excuse me, now he is post Seattle with Cincinnati. Yeah, I mean, it seems like a lot of money for the production that he's

“given, um, Seattle. I think he's been a nice player for them, but they've had other guys emerge and”

I don't think they're super overly concerned about losing him. So, uh, that's a lot of money. A lot of money, I think they were, I think the bangles were just tired of free Anderson, because free Anderson

never happy with his contract. That's one of the reasons he left the Saints. He's always wants

a different deal. You know, and I think they just were done with it, and they got somebody who's, you know, got a super bull-ringed mafia. I think it's a great deal for mafia, and he can go in there and probably be a breath of fresh air for them, and, and, you know, whatever he does, he's probably going to have more sex, and he had last year, right? I think they'll be happy with him. You know, I think you'd have more than two, and you better hope that he's going to have two, because the

snap counts going to go up on top, everything else. Yeah, I think he'll be, I think he'll be good player for them, but I, you know, I don't know that he's a cornerstone. Do you think the Chiefs will send a cease and a sister to the Rams? For what? Well, I mean, like they obviously agreed on the Trent MacDuffee trade, and then they, the other corner decision that can't

see how to make a decision. I was dealing with lots of the Rams are like boom, we'll take him to.

“So, I, I think there's a lot of fascinating things, and I've got one more thing before we finish up here.”

It's just that, all right, I get to MacDuffee thing. There feels like there's a speck no little part of this, which is like, maybe he's just one of those guys. It's like, hey, just get my corners in my system. Like, we'll, we'll be able to figure out MacDuffee gets a huge new deal, which I'm sure was part of Kansas City's math on like, get another pick, and all these things, but that's, that's moving on from like, what, two of their top three guys in the position here

for Kansas City. I agree, and I think, I think, I'm torn on this one because I love MacDuffee. I think he's, he's a successful draft pick, and he's everything you would want them to be. And typically, I'd say, pay that guy. But I do feel like, you know, I think we talked maybe about the sauce gardener deal. It's like, I just don't feel the corners change the game, the way that they did. You know, when you used to get a top corner, I think it was a different

game where it was easier to, you know, take away half the field, so to speak, right? You're back then you're having two running backs on the field. The tight ends is much of a blocker, as he is, you know, and you got two wide receivers out there, and a lot of the downs. And to me, it just feels harder for that one corner to really make the difference. Now, I get it where the ram's are at. They hit with a good secondary. They probably win the Super Bowl. And so this helps them have a good secondary,

and you're loading up for, you know, Matthew Stafford maybe his last year. I get it. But

“I just don't feel like these corner deals are oftentimes the great value. Do you feel the same way?”

Like, it's a premium position, but it's like, I don't feel like now that he's on the ram's Seattle's going, oh my gosh, we got to deal with Mac Duffy. Do you agree? You know, I think the sauce, one is a better example of what you're talking about, because it's a lot like bullpen arms at corner, you know, maybe not to elite, elite closers where you kind of expect it, but like the hardest thing about ever building a bullpen in baseball is the variance

between like this guy was unhatable and now this year you can't throw a strike. I mean, it's happened for the 40 years that I've cared about baseball, more than 40 years that I've cared about baseball. And once I kind of learned that, it's like, oh, hey, they brought in this setup guy. He's going to be awesome because look what he did last year. It's like now it's just randomly not going to happen. And so I think there's some year to year variance on corners. I think there's a similarity

on production where it might not mean you're any worse, but your numbers can get skewed by just, you know, a few things happen in the season that didn't happen before. I think the value of Mac Duffy is that based on some of the stuff I was looking at when the trade went down is that there's a stable line with him where there actually is very little variance in his production in comparison to other guys where I think like sauce is probably somebody that had fallen at

other category of like the highs are really high, but then there's some lows that don't make necessarily a ton of sense. So based on history, maybe I feel a little bit better about Mac Duffy. I also would think to your point like Kansas City, you draft this guy, you develop him, he's a stud, you know, again, no one is certain. So I'm not ever going to put any other corner in his category. I don't know that I'll ever do that. I'll take years to get me off of that one. But I just wonder like what Kansas

City season, and go, let me move on from from 32 starts at corner between Watson and Mac Duffy. And they also moved on from a gerious need before that. So yeah, yeah, they were totally fine with that. And I mean, they do it all the time. They do it all the time down there. So I don't know,

maybe they love for advertising. It's interesting that then they can have 15 million a year for

running back, you know, I guess you're scratching whatever it is, the one that is just the most

Sting that was, I mean, a really good one. No, no, not stingy in the conversation was your tan, but I felt like there was like another recent, um, the latest one. No, wasn't it also,

no, no, wrong guy. Never mind. All right, let me finish with this. That was exciting audience.

I hope you enjoyed that. Let's finish with the Winglin interesting day for them, Romeo Doves at receiver. They bring more for the packers, just north of 60 million on the headline. Number there are 50 plus catches. Uh, so maybe not necessarily a ton of production. The touchdowns and the origins of 700's there at him. I always kind of liked him. I thought maybe he was the steadiest in the week to week of trying to figure out like who's actually going to be the number one

for Green Bay because it felt like there was always these different names. And then you have Varotucker, which is a massive luxury item here at three years, 42 million when, if you look at his game totals in 22, 23 and 24, it's five games, seven games, zero games. He said three seasons that have ended with injury. So, um, that one at that price is, is kind of being crushed even if you like the film of when he's actually playing. The, the that was one of the receivers,

interesting to me because the Green Bay has had a lot of guys that at various times you thought we're maybe going to be the number one and then worked. Yeah, right. He's got one of those guys that he's heard some great opinions on him. So, I love to see him go in a different situation. I really do and the fact that they apparently have a, you know, an eye for something there is an

interest me. I, I it's easy to be critical of it, but like I'm more interested in seeing it.

And I'm kind of, maybe maybe a little bit optimistic. So, um, that's when I, that's when I,

“you know, they're a good, they're a well coach team. I think they're a well, it looks like they”

integrate the personnel pretty well. So, I would imagine to have a good plan for him and, um, not going to, I'm not going to herald it as some huge difference maker, but I'm like more optimistic and pessimistic and he's a younger guy. He is young. So, there's a lot of, there's a lot of tread on those tires there. Uh, Chervarius Ward was the other Kansas City corner that they were like. Oh, we're totally fine for moving on. And he is, uh,

depending on the week kind of player. Because I think the more I watch him, because I just, you know, again, my homes watch every single Kansas City game. It's like, he's physical. He battles, but there's also a ton of mistakes. So, like, when name moved on from him, I was kind of like, oh, yeah, all right. Like, that confirms my questions about him. That's funny. Yeah. And I was misunderstanding, you know, I thought you were trying to think of who taught corners in the league.

We're fun naming all these non-cheats. You can really run around. Yeah, right. Right. Right. That section may just be cut out. You know, we'll see if it even makes it end. But, uh, that one's on me. I like to leave it in as a punishment, a little reminder that's a punishment to

“myself. And honestly, a punishment to the audience a little bit for average. We just got on the fast break.”

And we, you know, I thought you were coming down the left wing, and I threw the bounce pass, and it knocked the popcorn out of the hands of the guy in the first row. It happened sometime. Marcus Marra had a three-on-one couple weeks ago. He fell down with the ball. And then still tried to throw a pass, and then LeBron still got to lay up. So, you have a break away where you're kneelocked, and you're almost fell, you know,

yourself in a wreck league ball. That was always a bad feeling.

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Great walker. Mostly sports every single day. The reason I say that is because he came up to me after I met him. He's like, "Do you even know my name?" I was like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" You have that effect on people, Ryan. It's scared to talk to you. I think I have that effect as well, which is why you interest me so much. It's interesting to see you in social situations because I feel like you and I are similar in that regard where people are kind of scared to approach

us. My team on mostly sports, we all love you. We all love Ryan. We all listen to your show.

than all the other guys that are on mostly sports and they'll ask me about all this sort of thing.

They're trying to get some information before we go to the Super Bowl. They're like, "Should I approach him here? How do I do?" I'm like, "Just fucking, just go say hi." You don't need to overthink it and I don't know why that is. I feel like the same sort of thing happens to me and I can't quite put my finger on why. Here's one for you. I think I'm friendlier than you are. I think you are. I think you definitely are. And I think that's fair. I think that's very fair.

I'm not very good at a small talk. I guess we'll call it. I don't mean that even as a knock, but I look, I'm new to the company. I'm older. Yeah. There's some people think I'm mysterious. I don't think I'm even that interesting to be

“on to you and whatever. But I think that's what happened. I think Breanna's met you a thousand”

times and he's still for some reason. It's in his head that he's not going to remember, man. I don't know. I mean, come on man. When they won, Mrs. B. State won the world series. I even sent him a nice note. And then it turned into a whole thing. It's like, I was not even a fan. I was like, "All right, I'm not." I'm not in charge of everyone today. I was trying to do something nice. It was a nice run by the Bulldogs, bought a history there, baseball. So that's why I did that in

the beginning only because it's actually the other way around. But look, I you tell everybody I can't wait to say hi to everyone. It's like, "I'm going to do the yak when I come to Chicago for the

combine and hang out for a couple of days. We're going to bring the guys." We might even, there's always

been talking about like seroutine, Kyle rolling in before that. But just do it busy. You know? That's the deal. I get it. I get it. Are you wearing a Saint John's jacket by the way? I am. Spots throw back. Yeah. All right. You know, this is the final four jacket, the most recent final four. I could start with the Johnny's. You could 30 minutes on the Johnny's. Let's not do that. No, let's talk about the one seeds because, you know, last year we had some pretty clear one seeds.

All of a made it to the final four. This year feels pretty clear. I just wonder if you have a difference of opinion outside of like Duke Michigan, Florida, and Arizona go to the projected ones.

“I don't. I think those are the projected ones. And I also feel like we might get a repeat of last”

year with the four ones in the final four now. You could say that we say that every year. I mean, they're the ones for a reason. They're the four best teams. But it does feel like some separation has been going on in the last month or so in college basketball. So, I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I, you know, some people once in a relis, they want like a story they can latch onto and the NCAA tournament. I think those of us that follow college basketball all year get excited about

the idea of the four best teams. I mean, last year's Final Four was awesome. Every game was incredible.

And we had four one seeds. And I think I think it's trending that way. What gives me pause, though, is of the four one seeds. I think three of them. I mean, Arizona has great guard play. The other three, those are the big, that's the big question mark form. I think the other three are led by their front courts. And that stands out to me because I, I'm a believer that like guard play ultimately is what wins in this tournament. And a one and done situation like you want a team with experience

“guards with like NBA level guards. And I think those are the teams that end up winning the national”

championships. So I do feel like it's trending towards a top heavy tournament. But at the same time, three of the four teams at the top are dominated by big guys. And I'm curious how that is going to matter when this thing gets going. The way I want to start with the projected ones, though, which I think is kind of interesting based on maybe the familiarity for the drive by college fan, which is what I am now, unfortunately. But like on paper, there's no comparison between the talent that

do have last year versus the talent they have this year. So if we could start there, like what jumps out to you beyond the obvious NBA talent of how different they are from last year's team? Yeah, I mean, do last year, I thought was one of the great all-time college basketball teams, which seems crazy because I didn't win the title. And I think they were playing in like a weaker ACC, where like people were locked in on Cooper Flag all year, but it wasn't, they weren't like a

phenomenon. And every time I would talk on my show about how good Cooper was and the really the entire team of Duke, there was some pushback that like the 2019 Zion team felt like this cultural thing and last year's Duke team didn't. And I just say that to say that like 20, 25 Duke was way better than 2019 Duke. I thought last year's team was one of the great all-time teams. And they frankly choked in the final four and sort of sort of won the national championship. So

this team is not as good as last year's team. In the sense that like you said, they don't have the NBA players. I mean, it really, the parallel would be O3 Syracuse. It would be the that Cam Booser is in the Carmelo Anthony role. And he is so good at everything that you put a bunch of guys around him who know how to play. Now, the guys around him aren't bad. They're not bad players. They're all like really good college players. It's just, I don't think any NBA scouts are

looking their lips watching any of these guys that are around Cam Booser. It really is more of a one-man team, whereas last year, even though Cooper Flag had all the attention and ended up being

big seven footer that people were excited about. And Tyre's proctor had games where he would kind of

take over for Duke. And this year, it's not that with Duke. It is Cam Booser. It is great team defense. And it's guys, I mean, they hit open shots when the ball gets to him and they do have other playmakers. But it's more of a one-man thing. And I think like for me, early in the season, I thought that's, that's going to be a bad thing. But as the season has gone on, Cam Booser is just so good that like, you can't deny it anymore. And I think like, I've converted into a

believer of this due to one international championship, just because he is, he's one of the best one in Duns of all time. I mean, that's just straight up what it is. And again, that sounds crazy given how good a lot of guys have come through college. But the season he put together was outrageous. So the same thing that you're talking about here in the front line, like maybe Florida's

the best example that's because, you know, Walter's not there, you know, granted he's rookie years,

he gets traded from Utah and everything. But like the run that he had, and unfortunately he's going to happen with some players, like the pens on how good if a pro he is, it's sometimes how much or how little will appreciate what a guy did in college. And some of the shot making that he had

“for Florida last year, like that you have to be cut. Like, there's just not any of one else in college.”

It can make some of these shots. But we really like the bigs, I think, from last year. And so those guys are are still cooking. I know they can't shoot it from three. But they seem to be great transition. They're terrific in the half court. Condon's been on this nice run of really a lot of great playmaking from him. But are you more concerned about like the dropoff from the structure of who they were as a national champs as opposed to the dropoff from who Duke is now?

Yeah, I think Florida, I mean, you hit the nail on the head that last year, Florida obviously won the national championship. And they had a good team all year. But Walter Clayton was Superman in that tournament. And there were five, six, maybe more than that shots that if he doesn't make those shots, they just, they don't win the national championship. And he made every single one of them. And they don't have that this year. They don't have a guy like that. But having said that,

like their front court is so deep. And they are so good defensively. I think what's interesting about them that like, I'm not worried about it. It's just something that I keep going back and

“forth, I guess. And I'm sort of overthinking. The SEC was last year historically great. I think”

that conference was, I put it up there with any conference, any year from any conference and college basketball history. The head depth ahead had obviously two final four teams. It was just a great basketball conference last year. This year, it's still good. But there aren't really other elite teams. It's kind of Florida on their own. And there are other like good teams, Arkansas is not bad.

You know, BAM is always okay. But it's really Florida's like the only national title caliber team in

this league. And they are rolling through the SEC. And I don't mean to say, I'm not like doing some argument like they haven't played anyone. They haven't been tested. But you do kind of wonder like the difference between last year and this year's last year. They absolutely were tested. There were no question about that. This year, they were tested early in the non-conference. They lost kind of every game they played against decent teams in the non-conference. And then they get in the conference

play and they get the thing rolling. So I'm curious with that with Florida is like, you know, is this a case of not the SEC's not bad. But is it a case of like they haven't really played a

“caliber team that's on the same level as them? And yeah, I think the guard play is certainly not as”

good as it was. But I'm bullish on Florida still. I think they are very, very hot. And they have, they just have so many dudes. They bring big dudes off the bench that would start and 95% of the country. So they just sort of look like a well-o-o-o machine. And they're hitting threes now. They haven't been shooting well all season. But they're kind of hitting threes the last month or so. Michigan, you know, is looking at some of the odds of like, you know, who's favored to win in

your right. Like, it's pretty overwhelming for Florida when the SEC tournament doesn't mean it's necessarily going to happen. I think Duke's odds are really good. Trust me, I'm saving the best for last year where there was on in the big 12. But I watched the Michigan duke game and, you know, it was a great game. It's a neutral sight thing. Is there anything in that game, despite it being just one game for you, Titus, where you're like, oh, this, this tells me something about Michigan and

trying to win four games get through their region and then maybe the whole thing. I mean, the, the, the good for Michigan was that, you know, that their front court, I think is, is a lead at their defenses elite. The bad, the, the one concern coming out of that duke game was the guard play. I think, uh, Michigan's guards were, were terrible, frankly. They couldn't get anything going offensively. Um, and the one guy who was good for them just towards ACL and is out for the season.

So I, I mean, I just keep going back to that. Like, I'm a guy who believes Walter Clayton's a good example this last year with Florida. I'm a guy who believes that like in a one and done situation, but holes get tight, uh, you know, the crowd is rising to their feet and, and, and everybody on the court realizes that like, there is no tomorrow. It's this game right here right now. You want an elite guard to get the ball and make plays and, uh, Michigan doesn't really have that. They have

guys who are, are pretty good. I think like, elite caddo is the point guard. And when he's good,

really, really bad. So, um, that kind of gives you pause, but I don't know, Michigan, I'm a big

10 guy and, and what Michigan did this year in the big 10 was, was unprecedented. I mean, they, they won, they won, they won 19 and won. The one game they lost was by three points, uh, against a really, really hot Wisconsin team. Um, and they, they've just been, they've just been wiping the floor just about everyone. So, I'm not, I'm not really overreacting to Duke. And I thought it was a well played game, and I thought, uh, those are probably the two best teams in the country. But, yeah, that's the,

those are the things that I just keep coming back to is the guard play. And I, I, Michigan has some

“serious questions there, but I think the rest of the team is so good. And I think the defense is so good”

to my no matter. All right, let's talk Arizona in the big 12. So Arizona has two losses all season, long ones of Kansas, then the other ones in overtime to Texas Tech. Uh, they smoke two highly ranked teams in the rematch against Kansas, and then just crush Iowa State. Uh, the thing in the times that I've watched him, you kind of, I don't have any idea who on any given night, like who's going to be the guy offensively. They've got seven players that have a tree nine and 16 points, co-opique,

and have four points, one game 25, the next is what you did against Iowa State. And then at Colorado, it's the best conference. I think that's pretty clear. So how many teams do you think? I mean, is it Arizona, and then everyone else, you know, because you can look at the rankings and go, wow, look at all the balance. I just think there's certain nights where I've watched Houston play,

and I was like, Jesus, and then I always think it's a very particular brand of basketball.

Right. So I, I wonder kind of where you are with its four teams in this thing, or it's kind of on their own tier. I mean, there, there are teams like Illinois that I think if, if they get hot,

“they could go on a little bit of a run. I think Yukon is the big wild card that everybody wants to”

talk to themselves into Yukon, but, you know, it's getting harder and harder as, as the weeks roll by. I mean, Yukon smokes St. John's, and I think people got really excited about getting back in on Yukon after that, but just lost a market, and Yukon's really never put it together, and all this season outside of that St. John's game. So yeah, I'm, I'm going really top-heavy. Like, I wouldn't be stunned. I mean, it's the insane tournament crazy things happen all the time,

but I would definitely be surprised if it's not a one-see that wins this thing this year. And Arizona, I mean, you said it like, the more I think about these teams at the top, the more I come back to Arizona, they were, they start 23, you know, they lose at Kansas when Darren Peterson's not playing, and I think there's a little bit of an overreaction to that that, you know, both ways, one, like, people are saying Kansas is better without Peterson,

but then the other is like, maybe Arizona is not the team we thought they were, but that's just what Allen Fieldhouse is, and I, and Kansas is a good team, and that was, that's going to happen. You're going to lose college basketball games and tough environments. So I love, I love the Arizona

“doesn't shoot threes. I think that's kind of the story with this team is that they have guys who”

can make threes, they just don't shoot them. They're, they're, they're three-point rate, which is to say like the, the percentage of shots that they take that are threes, damn near last in the country, and all of the vision one, they're like 360 something than the vision one, they just destroy you on the boards, they, they get to the ram easily, Jane Bradley's an unbelievable mid-range player. Braden Berries is, uh, started out a little slow

to start the season. He's going to be a lottery pick now, um, and I mean, you said it Ryan, like, there's so many guys that can beat you, that you can't take away, you could take away their top three players, and then like, Ivan Karchankov and Mo Kriva, like these dudes that you're just like, like, if you're a casual fan, you're like, who the hell is this guy? Where did he come from? Delorso can, like, score 25 on you. Um, I really like Arizona. I, I, I think if I had to,

without looking at a bracket, if I had to pick a national champion, I probably pick Arizona right now. So you think it's specific to the big 12 though, that like, you, you don't think anybody can get him either. I mean, granted, it's a single elimination. We've seen plenty of great teams lose the conference term at the end of the final four. Well, Texas all the time. Yes, so Texas tech beat them at

their place. JT top ends out now. Their best players might be a first team all-american, so that's

tough. I think BYU is falling off in a big way. I think BYU is, is not what they were. Houston would be the one. I think Houston Houston and Yukon feel similar to me where they have the, the brand name, they have the coach. They, they've had the success lately in, in March to where, like, all season, you're just kind of like waiting for it to click and waiting to see what you believe is going to be this final product and maybe it'll come in the tournament. But yeah, Houston doesn't play

defense like they used to. They don't really, like, their offense is, is good. They have guards. I can score obviously. Flimmings is, is, is, is a, is a stud. But they don't really have, like, an interior presence. The defense isn't like the boa constrictor. It used to be. And I think that, like, you're familiar to seeing with Calvin Samson. So, I, I, honestly, I don't want to, like, disrespect, I, if there's another team, it's probably Iowa State, but, you know, they just played

and, and Arizona handle them. So, like, I, I'm, overstating it a little bit to say, it's Arizona and everyone else. But to be honest with you, I don't know who the contender would be in terms of, like, teams in the big 12 to be excited about going up against Arizona. My limited viewing, I, I don't think anyone on, on, you can, can create the way Flimmings can,

some of these guys have been around in this program. And it's like, hey, can you, there's seven

seconds left on the shot clock? Can you settle it down and find us a good look? I mean,

“his creation, the shot making, and honestly, this freshman class, like the one thing that”

jumped out in the limited time that have gone back and studied some of these guys, I just can't believe how calm they are. It's, it's like seven or eight guys, and like, you're the most trusted dude with the ball in his hands. And you just got there. And it's not like the team is 15 and 15. These are major programs with huge aspirations for this season. And I, I cannot, I don't know what is going on with these kids, but like, they're completely unfazed. I have no idea how this

happened. I, I, I'm with you. I, I think like, I've been waiting for Booser to kind of fall off all season, just for what you said. I mean, like, having such a spotlight on him and playing at that program and having a roster where so much as asked of him, I just kind of made sense in my brain that eventually he's going to start having some bad games and he just didn't. And that's like the entire class. It's crazy. Like every single, I mean, Michigan, Michigan's freshman

comes off the bench. He's, he's a good role player. He's not exactly a superstar, but, you know, Tray McKinney's a, is a really good player for them. Every team that's like good in college

basketball this year is very heavily relying on a freshman. It's, it's the most incredible freshman

class I've ever seen. And, and obviously, the draft is deep as hell. And, uh, but yeah, it's been

“a joy to watch these guys because it's not just that they're good. It's not just, I think for me,”

as a guy who's more of a college basketball than NBA guy, what's been so refreshing about this class is that it's not like a potential situation. It's not like this class is loaded with talent, but you're going to have to watch them in the NBA in five to seven years to see it materialize. You're turning on your television every night watching these like top 10 college basketball games and the freshman are delivering in those games. Arizona starts three of them, and they're all very

good. Um, like you said, Fleming's had a, had a game at Texas Techery at 40 something and it was like, the most insane thing. We, like, you know, that sort of thing happens at the NBA level just about every night. It doesn't happen at the college level. You don't see guys take over games like that. It's just like the way the way he went about it was like, I, this is special, but it's also not special because there are other freshmen doing this throughout the season. The keyton

wogler goes to Mac, your rena and he scores the 46. I think it was. Um, see yeah, it's been, this freshman class is incredible. And I don't even know where you began to like, make sense of how they got this good, how deep it is, how good the draft class is. Like, how is the entire lottery going to be freshman? I don't, it's, it's crazy. It boggles the mind. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned wogler in this too because he's the epitome of exactly what we're

talking about here. Like, hey, settle this down, get us a good look. It might just be, you know, to get off topic here a little bit, but it, they might be just so used to everything being scrutinized

where you had generations of athletes that never dealt with any of this shit. And then,

you know, for all the grief like a Lebron takes, it's like, okay, it's been famous since he was like 13 man. So, yeah, there's, there's just going to be a different way of programming when you're aware of how everyone feels about you every minute of your entire life. And again, I'm starting to do some like weird stuff here. Maybe some Derek Thompson type shit. But then you go, all right, now this generation, like, this is normal to them. So, like, it would make sense with cambo's or it

would make sense when cambo's or it's like, hey, I'm in charge. I don't care that I just got here. My dad played forever. I've got a brother who I battled. Everybody's been watching me since I was like 12 or 13 years old. I've been in all of this stuff. Not to say that other guys were going through the AU circuit and playing it a bunch of these big showcase games. But from the jump, everything they've done has been observed. So, it wasn't some kind of outlier. I could be totally wrong

in this theory. But it is something every time I watch college troops, I can't believe. I'm like, how is Wagler the guy that you're like, hey, settlers down here, Purdue, and almost get 50. I mean, and he's not even close to being the high profile guy these other dudes were talking about.

“That's what I was going to say. Yeah, Wagler is just like, Wagler is a throwing. Wagler is like,”

where the hell did this guy come from? If you looked at the recruiting rankings, he wasn't, he wasn't near the top. I think the best he peaked out at was 150. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's crazy. I don't know what it is. I mean, people smarter than me probably have an idea of people that follow the recruiting cycles, probably have a better idea than I would. But yeah, the other crazy thing Ryan, Cooper Flag was supposed to be in this class. He was, he was in this

growth. So, as they were coming up, he was like the same age as all these guys. I mean, I don't know if it's like an iron sharpened iron thing and like a couple that like the Bonson flag and Booser, you know, kind of identified early on that like worst special and you just kind of pull everyone else up and Peterson, you know, like all these guys. It's the talent, but it's like, I'm glad you're making that point because I don't think I've done a good enough job making this point on the

shows that I've done. The talent is evident. It's more like the mental makeup that kind of blows

college basketball. There's something about the mental makeup of this group that's different. And I have no idea, I can't explain how it happened, but but I'm glad it did. Yeah, we could talk a man. We could talk a cup of the, you know, the SEC, these teams are just not national contending teams, so we really get to them as much, but the list is really long. A little bit more on you, Con, and then let's pivot that into the Johnny's here. I'm with you,

like there's certain games again that I've seen where I thought Arizona holding on at Houston, where that arena and it's Houston and that way and it's slipping. It looks like it's going to slip away from any other opponent in the Arizona's like, now we're good. Like you go on your run, we're good. We're going to close strong. And again, it speaks to like, look at the resume here. That's a really special team what they've done, but to handle that, like prove something to me.

And then you have my Johnny's who, let me, let me set it up this way.

“I think the most non-baller admission ever is when someone says defense is half the game.”

Right? When somebody's like, even if you're doing draft stuff, it's like, well, you know, it's 50/50, but like, it isn't because, you know what, five Bruce Bowens would be eliminated

into the first round. Right. Right. Right. There's, I don't think it's a market inefficiency.

I don't think it's like, actually, we should just be drafting all defensive guys and then let's just go with the coin toss approach. If it's 50/50, there are also smarter people that work in front offices that would tell you just straight up. Like, it is not 50/50. Like, I'd rather have a team be able to outscore teams and not defend than maybe the other way around. St. John's, that you kind of game was so bad. It might be misleading. I don't know, but they just,

and here they are. They win the regular season conference championship. The first time the Johnny's have done it since 61 and 62, slightly different conference back then, pre-biggest, 20 years before. It's tough to get that UConn game out of your head. And if you've watched this UConn team, or excuse me, if you've watched the St. John's team play the last two years, it like, scoring would be awesome in some big spots. Then getting eliminated last year with this

great fun run and winning, like, that wasn't a shock to anybody that had watched them all the time. Be like, they're probably going to run into some early game, or it's like, hey, we ever going to score here.

Like, I was surprised they got to 10 points in the first half against UConn and that game.

“I mean, you can't unsee the UConn game. That's just, and like you said, I think if last year”

didn't have, if this was Bettino's first year at St. John's, I don't think I would overreact to one game like that, but this team was supposed to be different in the sense that like, they were supposed to have addressed the problems of last year, which was that they couldn't score, you know, like, this, it felt like they would at least be able to score well enough to let their defense carry them, get a little bit of offense. That's the formula. We'll be fine. Last year,

we lean too much on the defense. We lean too much on force and turnovers, getting out and transition and all that, and it, and a bit of, and so I think like, it was sort of working and so far as like, they are better three point shooting team. I think the offense is, well, that's, that's, that's it. But it's not same much. And then you see the UConn game and you're just like, this isn't, this isn't a different team. This is the exact same team. This is going to be the exact same team.

I've seen this story before. They shot it. They were just over 30% from three last year. They're still under 34% this year. And I, I love, right? I mean, I love them. It's one of the things I still

“root for and care about the outcomes. But we'll say, it's just, I, I think it's really tough when”

you're that limited offensively to be the kind of, hey, if they get the right bracket, you know, if the seedings are a little favorable to them. And then you think like, oh, you know, they overseated a couple of these other teams or whatever. There's not that nasty, seven seed or like, how the hell did they end up as a seven? You think the team knows you're going to bench as best player like he did last year and then to do that? Well, he did it to Zubi in the UConn game and I

couldn't help but think of RJ Lewis in the exact same spot. Because it's like, look, if there's one thing that you've been able to trust all season long is that Zubi edge of four has been a fucking beast for you, okay? And they missed on like two switches against bigs. And I don't even know that it was necessarily the wrong switch. Killer Zubi did something against Francis. You just went off early in that game for UConn. And I couldn't help but think about the RJ Lewis thing.

Where I don't, you know, again, they were going to lose that game. They were not winning that game by keeping Zubi in. But there was also a lot of like UConn going like we're back home. And we're going to make you pay. And I don't you're right. I like I can't unsee it. But at the same

time, it's so bad. It's just kind of one of those like Barry the film and never think about it again.

Because it couldn't be that bad. Again, could it in a big E3 match? Especially when you

be that. Like how does St. John's, I assume St. John's and UConn are going to play each other

third time. What happens? Because I St. John's beat him the first time. But I can't, yeah, that's

what I just keep going back to is like I can't unsee that I wish I could. And maybe, maybe St. John's gets the better of UConn in the third game. And, and I do want to see it. But right now, I mean, I don't know. St. John's, it feels like the same team is last year. I'm with you. Like a, they're going to get a three seed or something. They're going to get a two. Can they get a two? I actually haven't looked at it update. I don't think with the big E's this year, it's two or not teams. You know,

they'll get a three. They'll play a top 16 the second round and then fingers crossed. And we see what

“happened. By the way, if I said, I think I said ferris is territory who just looked like shack that LSU”

against them early on, which is like the one thing you would think with St. John's. Well, that's not a commission. We're going to happen with Hopkins and look, Ruben pray, just get back and porch a goal. The pride of Portugal over there. But it's, it's a little hit or miss. I, they got seen John's as a five when I'm looking out here. That's crazy. What are they 15th in the AP right now? Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know. Yeah. All right. I got, I was messing around

Kenpom today. So look out. I have a question for some kind of putting you on the spot. So if you go back in Kenpom does the net ratings, right? So anybody that's like plus 35 over the course based on his ratings, right? Not like a total point thing, but plus 35 or better, he has it all the way back to 1997. I think it was on the athletic that I was reaching there was representing a lot of this stuff. So there's been 10 teams ever since 1997 that are plus 35 in this net thing.

“And all 10 of those teams have made the final four last year. There were four teams that were”

plus 35. And it was all the number one seeds. And then again, as we said at the very top, all the teams that made it in the final four. This year, all four projected one seeds are plus 35 net in this. So, you know, I don't know if we're going to go 14 for 14 in single elimination, but there's like a profile here that if you were this good. Now, with some of the net stuff, I wonder, and I'm going to ask you because like, when I was reading it, I go, you know what's funny,

though, like there's been some NBA single season in recent memory that are like always in play

for the best net differential per game that we've ever seen. I know it's not like an apples to apples thing. And five of the best single NBA seasons, five of the best nine are in the last 10 years. So, I wonder with like some of the stuff when you look at basketball and against some of its the advance numbers, some of it's just optimizing every single possession. Sometimes it's focusing on optimizing total number of possessions, which a lot of NBA teams are doing right now.

Is there something to be said of like the number show you something historic? But the game may be allows itself to be deemed as more historic because of like some of the stuff like the NBA every single year now for five or six years the best overall offensive efficiency points per 100 possessions. It's been the highest offense in the history of basketball and then like the team, you know, the local tweet guys who are all fucking 12 are going to be like greatest offense in the

history of the game. And it's like, well, you know, it's the rising tide thing. And by the way, it just happened like the previous four years and it's going to happen again. So history on one side tells us college basketball, well, if all those teams have made the final four since 1997 that have cleared this qualifier and the four machines once these are all doing it again this year, it can probably be a little bit of both. So I don't know as a guy who's locked into this all time.

Like some of the numbers maybe are optimizing basketball that can also say that it's misleading, but then you go back to last year and you're like, yeah, except all those teams are in the final four. Yeah, I mean, it's it's weird because I as I've gotten older, I've definitely got I've gotten whatever gene you get when you turn like 35 where you think everything back in the day was way better than it is now. Like it starts. Did you see that clip of the Utah Jazz bulls find it making a

rump? I cannot believe people can watch that basketball. Yeah. It'd be like that was brutal back then. You're like, you mean no ball pressure on the guy 17 feet away. John Stockton just freely dribbling 17 feet away from the fucking hoop getting his entry pass completely like uninterrupted. Sorry,

“ran. I think I think it's Steve Curley made this point. If it's not I apologize to”

ever it is who made the point and I misattributed it, but he was like everything and society has progressed to be more optimized faster. Everybody's faster. They're stronger. They're bigger. They're

better across every basically every facet and society except for basketball players with the

way people talk about basketball. It's like the guys the guys 40 years ago were actually better than the guys now. And I'm only saying that to say that like I go back and forth on it too because

we've ever seen. Like last year's crop and maybe you know it depends on what happens these next

four weeks, but if again we get all one seeds or whoever emerges as an national champion is one of these top four. We're talking about like man these these last couple years of college basketball.

“We're seeing stuff we've never seen before and yet it doesn't feel right and I think like as I”

as I really stop and think about it that just doesn't make any sense for me to say it doesn't feel right like why can't it feel right, why can't why can't this Michigan team if they go on to win? I'm not here to argue that they're like the best team of all time, but like you know I don't necessarily think there have been a ton of teams that are starting at the three like a six eight six you know the actual Linda board you can handle the ball. You can guard all five positions.

You have a seven foot three rim protector. You have more as Johnson playing power four to grabs every rebound yet and I'm just using Michigan as an example, but like Arizona would be a good

example as well. You have two guards that are that are you know could be first team of all

all defense and in all of college basketball and I don't know there's just so much talent on all these teams and yet it's so easy to like poke holes and I'm gonna be like 92 Duke would wipe the floor with these guys you know and maybe they would I don't really know but you do my yeah but it's fascinating because it's like I don't I think we're too quick to dismiss the idea of the of I because I'm like you run in that like I see these numbers and I'm like huh something's

a little off here but I don't necessarily think it's like the the algorithm is broken or that like this is this this era of basketball is like you know skewed in some way where it's kind of giving you a result that's not actually indicative of how good these teams are I think these

could be really really good teams but yeah I mean I I'm that's not me arguing that they're all

time great teams it's just saying I I I catch myself being a little too dismissive with that stuff yeah whenever it's the era's thing with the NBA I can get really pissy about it but it's also like I don't want to make it political I don't want to think every single cup from the 90s is the greatest

“thing I've ever seen but I'm also not gonna say it's the worst thing that I've ever seen which is”

unfortunately like what everybody does on every fucking topic now and it's like hey by the way Jordan would score more he's Jordan would score more now he would score as much as he ever wanted to score you may not want him to score 40 he may have to score 40 a game until he's like 28 and then go hey maybe this isn't the best way to go about it because there would be more space Jordan would be terrific from 3 as you want to know why because he fucking figured it out yeah if it was like hey we're doing

this now we don't take one a game we take six a game Jordan would figure it out but I also can't help but watch that clip and go so harness seconds on him in the finals yeah my dad my dad is an Indiana guy and as much as he wants to tell me the 76 losers are the best team of all time I just I can't dance and garden can't booze right I just don't know if that's going well I can't dance I just don't you know I just don't I just don't know about that matchup I think

the campers might have something to say about that I'll end on this though last year's SEC was not the best conference of all time it's the 85 big East I can't believe you would make that mistake George Town Saint John's Villanova taken out Memphis when they were still Memphis state obviously this is the the shot out to that final four back then so that was that was wrong but everything else you did was terrific it was one of the but I don't I don't want to speak in absolute it is actually

really hard because I think I mean NBA has changed a lot but college basketball it feels like their rule changes just constantly and like the way these rosters are put together changes so fast that it really isn't possible to compare areas and I know that's like kind of a cop out like people want guys like us to to make definitive statements and say this was the best and that was the best but you know I it's it's like a completely different sport I don't I don't know how you can watch

yeah I mean you said it with like the the bull's jazz thing I mean it's the same thing of college basketball I go back and I watch these old final fours and I'm just like yeah this is this is awesome but it's not this doesn't even look like the same sport that I'm watching now so I can watch that little brick patino team and go what's it even as it was happening nobody just go that he's like what the hell I think I built this me even had a rant during one of their games it's like if this is

how we're gonna call games now if this is what we're going to allow yeah it was like I guess we are this season yeah check out Titus on mostly sports every day with Brandon Walker and also mostly

“hoops give us this would be the best way to do this give me a couple like non one or two”

siege you're like hey if they get a favorable bracket if you like to region something for the people that you know this is before even selection Sunday give us something for people to think about okay uh i will marry yeah marry Mac uh don't fall into my emitrap the Miami Ohio I I have I have positioned myself as a hater of Miami of Ohio because they have what zero quad one yes yeah I've positioned myself as a hater because I'm like the one guy that points out that like

but like I just don't want I don't want people across America that haven't watched college basketball to get their brackets see that they have zero losses and be like oh my god this is a national champion you want them in no right yeah yeah I want them in yes when you're 68 teams I'm okay with it when it was four teams of the college with both playoff that's when it's gonna bother me anyway well working working here there are a bunch of people walking around just like coming up to me

just like I got a sleeper team Miami and I'm like first of all not a sleeper they're the

“undefeated like everybody's talking about I'm secondly I don't know how good they actually are but I think”

my answers the the two that I'm going to are probably I don't know if this is like enough of a long shot but I would say Arkansas with A-Coff they don't really guard that's been their problem all season but they can they can kind of low you I mean you see what happens when I when Arkansas played Florida not too long ago Florida destroyed them and Florida has a great defense and like that kind of that would worry you a little bit but A-Coff is he's a dude

he's a dude and I and I I really think like if we're doing you know I want to hedge my declarative statements but I really think that he's one of the best cow guards ever like he's

one of he's one he's one of John Calipera's best college guards and he's ever coach um and if

you want to argue he's like top three maybe even top one I haven't sat down really chewed on at that long but he is I'm telling you he is elite elite elite um and hit just having him alone makes me excited about the idea of Arkansas and then the other one that I the team that I just can't quit

“is Kansas I think Kansas they play unbelievable team defense I uh I want to come back on the show”

and talk about Darren Peterson for for hours and hours because I have countless Darren Peterson thoughts and I I love the guy and I think they're like if they it's just the big if it's like if if they can get him and the rest of the team to like all pull forward together they are absolutely national championship good it's just like this season has been so topsy turvy you have no idea what you're getting out of them but like that's that's a team that I think was going to be like a

four seed a five seed something like that and uh you know if if we fast forward to April and you tell me that they won the national championship they would be a team outside of that top four that I wouldn't exactly be stunned by I think I could see that happening if that makes sense and with injuries like Caleb Wilson the North Carolina it's not worth a discussion now I am not there there yeah they're out um BYU with um yeah I forgot his name Ritchie Saunders yeah

Saunders yeah his grandfather and vinditator tots it's not joke you actually did so that's a little no I'm like I like to be getting in that early because I had like friends going do you know Sam Arnold's grandfather's dick hammer like yeah knew about it when he got drafted me so there you go Litchie Saunders dad or grandfather in vinditator tots well thanks to him thanks the entire family you're like hey how's that guy doing like dude he's getting who's how's his dad like

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“I gotta I just always whenever I think about medieval war which I spend a lot of time thinking about”

I'm like I know it was like an honor to carry the banner it's like can I have a fucking stick maybe instead yeah they should give that guy like the best weapon you know because he's obviously planted a disadvantage

yeah right but like imagine they go you know what happened to Frankfurt and it's like I always lost him in the

war you know the physicals and you're like oh you know what was he he uses a drummer isn't there kind of a gentleman's agreement to stay away from those guys with those guys imagine I think there's probably a little honor in there but you can also tell like you know whenever I read about any sort of global conflict you know one size like oh they took it too far and then it's like well I don't know who started what it's good to have some roles like you

so there's a dude like had to run off to the side you generally let him leave him alone I thought that was pretty nice

think about what we should are faking disinteriors like look at flopping in the NBA I certainly think so I mean well there was integrity back there but imagine if everyone fake disinteriors I'm afraid what it's seen but anyone even while over the ratings be something to think about yeah certainly in like world war two stop at Christmas or something because it was not like one of the

“most famous stories they put soccer or something I forgot about I think there was a battle I don't”

know if the whole yeah like yeah it also tell you like without going too deep into it a lot of times it would be like if there was a respect among the racial make-up of nations and then if there was zero respect whatsoever then it seemed like all bets are off it was on yeah yeah so something else to you know say yeah for you I would read the undiscovered country which I'm almost done with right now it is fantastic it starts with like land speculation Washington the fucking Washington man that

guy did not see a building lot that he would turn down just spread himself I mean what's like you like George Washington would have been absolutely fucking wiped out in 2008 whoa card whoa card there's I mean it guy was so leveraged so leveraged all right so you know I forgot my better and he would have the TV shows in like two thousand seven he would have been bailed out housing that you whatever you did thank you make an example out of this guy yeah you can't own every fucking

tree west of Virginia so bad at monopoly right yeah but the the book is is terrific and so now I'm kind

of like I got through like the Texas part of it and some of the Alamo stuff that I never really knew

and why some people like make fun of the stat of you know it's like now it's remember the Alamo because of what happened and then you get Santa Anna the president of Mexico who called himself the Napoleon of the West Napoleon was like his guy he studied them and again I just think there was a lot more movement for men back then where you could just sort of declare shit like I think you think some of us are annoying as podcasters thank god it's not the 1800s because guys

abuse being like yeah I'm fucking president of all this now boom what's up we can do that yeah look at my downloads so in 1830 Mexico was so sick of everything that was happening in Texas because

“originally they had offered up like migration towards Texas like if you want to come into Texas we'll”

give you acreage and we'll do all this stuff and then it was turning into a pretty cool about the whole thing but the Texans right kind of screwed it up well I think they started looking at the numbers where I think at one point prior to this law they passed in 1830 again that Mexico passed in 1830 according to this book but they were like wait there's like five Texans for everyone Mexican in Texas and like it's still ours this is this is ridiculous because they wanted people to come

west to then battle the native Americans right because I think it's Camiches whatever so then Santa Anna's like I have had enough of this shit these Texans are they're not Mexicans like fucking and so they passed a law that banned immigration to from any country that's adjacent to them

which was basically America yeah they're like no one can go in a Texas anymore and they wanted to

kind of deport you if you didn't have more than five years established in Texas obviously pre-ensive immigration reform interesting yeah yeah draft King's yeah so there you go let's good draft King's horsebook speaking of across the board I'm gonna take the Raptor's money my aggression I actually am taking the Raptor's money a lot so there you go are you really it's time well you have had to straight up to my last two hits have been money line bats of these

teams that are desperate and the Raptor's beat bad teams and they lose to get to him so they're playing the pelicans tonight okay um I don't like that but okay you're on the record I look into good you that is your that is your right that is your prerogative you could do that yeah I mean I just put the put the cross here is on myself on that one because it's just be one thing if you just got it wrong and I didn't say anything but yeah and then now that means I'll get my

role what uh what do you got for us cop well uh geared up for the Biggie tournament we're taking

“Ryan Cockburner I wanted to take four plus rebounds but I think I got to carry the odds here”

so I will take five plus rebounds I think that'll get us so many to be what do you think the

know it's it's worked out a lot I think it's worked out more than it hasn't he's great around the

“rim man great touch just really locked into the harness leg sometimes I'm not available for blocks but”

you know that was I got the number here Cockblocks you are one in one betting Cockburner there's no

way there's only this is the third time he's ever better okay well that's it is he bet him he

bet him over six rebounds that hit you bet him over one and a half blocks that did not hit that was back in November hasn't been a sense yeah I've done some more stuff though I've done some Hornet stuff so yeah anyway okay so I'm looking at the totals as well tonight I can't wait for calves magic I can't wait for raptor's pelicans nicks jazz maybe spicy a little bit late there but the headline or is Houston at Denver which is a later one but the other late the latest

one is Minnesota at the Clippers which usually I'm in the building for ant live maybe I will shoot over there again I mean you just played I wasn't gonna be able I wanted to watch first boss

“bring friends I have honestly no Lakers contacts anyway so it doesn't really matter a little tough”

for building for me to get into and yeah maybe I could bring some friends instead of having a sweet to myself the last time Minnesota played there but I'm looking at the lowest total on the board right now and that is Charlotte at Sacramento so all the totals is the only one now there's some you've got like two 26 and a half to 27 and a half then the other games are two 30 and a half and then Toronto pelicans that's two 34 and a half so I'm just wondering with Charlotte

being on the road for a while here Sacramento with their own issues and that that number is lower than maybe I would have thought it would be and that it's the lowest on the board tonight instead of being like look how tempting that over is I'm gonna stay in that flow in that direction I'm gonna go under two 24 and a half so that is my back that gets us the plus 5 29 let's stay hot okay Ryan's already against the the alliance here so great bad vibes

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the show came the court tough one you didn't have bam yeah I was saying it's funny he didn't get a double double last night so you had nine boards tough but you came in second you had wemby ijl johnson the use fifth cave with seven so you know top 10 we're the mix in a mix can't go three for three two weeks in a row yeah that was amazing okay new job conflicting with March madness six three two thirty there we go Jim stats in my gym days I was pushing

six hundred on the leg press and once came in first and a half mile out of track meet seven great player comp tables Kevin love active on the glass can hit three easy to decent clip for a big man i'm twenty five years old living in a mid size eastern u_s_ city started working in finance out of school i've been unemployed for a bit i got let go as part of layoffs a little while back but i just got an offer late last week for a new job in a great role that i don't think

i'm really qualified for and comes with nice pay all sounds great right well the bad news is they

want to move super quick and want me to start next Monday to 16th which would mean my first week

on the job and conflict directly with the first two days of March madness boomer how can i get them to push my start day to the 23rd so i can be a bum on the couch or the round of 64 without starting off the relationship on a bad foot or my screwed i'm going to have to suck it up to realize it's part of adult life and twenty five i don't want you to have to completely lock in yet for that i look i i know how you feel that first time i had an office thing and it was the

tournament unlike how it's like what you can't you can't there's nothing because forever for a long time that was Thursday friday was my thing once every year yeah it's just the best so you're just sitting there feeling like as if it's important that you're on it like as if somebody else is like we can't even tip it unless for silo's on his couch just ready to go something's all

“me that's not right that's how all of this feeling like when you're that into it then you just like”

okay now we can start i'm ready and this is all i want to do and please don't bother me and then if you're dating somebody they're like how long what what happens like it's it's a lot it's a lot

why are we off a scene right now like no this is and you just so mad and then you listen like Mike and the dog and all they would do is bitch about what CBS did or didn't do the entire time that was like part of it that was like the excitement of the tournament before you had all these options as you would you be like i can't wait to listen to talk radio and have them bitch about the decisions of which games they would go into and which ones they would leave depending on

“whatever market you're in um life is life is nicer you know people go in a it's never been worse”

i don't look at the tournament that's you can't sell out a lot of international conflict think i'm going to be dubs this year no kidding yeah i'm going to give it a shot i'm going to give it a shot we would we went to Vegas the last couple years for the first round which is insane and so i'm just trying to figure out how to capture a little magic i think i'm going to go

be dubs i always want to do the Vegas things so bad and now i don't think i want to

feel like a holiday just dudes with like 40 tickets in their pockets just asking strangers what they did so i couldn't you could feel it in the air i don't know that feels like i feel like really i don't feel like going like time square for new year's eve it's just like to kind of like when they do want to set up my couch but they're making deals like all these things there's like couches and watch parties everywhere some of them you could just walk into you know like we did it with style

last year but there were other ones and it was just it really wasn't like uh didn't seem super capitalistic it seemed like everyone you just come in sit down maybe get a beer at this place but like we want you in here so i don't know what's great have you guys done time squares time square yeah i think i did it the TGI for any of them have you done any of them no that's like my worst nightmare was a family trip though cow you guys get your family travel a lot

booze you out just got on the metro north i mean come on you did the whole like midnight such kind of like no no no no none more diapers pissed your pants no not for new year's eve not for new year's eve oh yeah i mean i have that time square yeah we went like a trip though

“i was like a family trip i didn't know you were talking about new year's eve that's how”

that's awful my sister lives basically in times where which is not great she hates that bit but

it's good rat that's a wild what a stat yeah and that one from us all right so back to our guy my guess is your 25 and not the most vital person at this new company and life is about transition at times and a lot of times you know the workplace will say get in here as soon as you possibly can i can tell you with with great certainty i remember being super super eager when i got my first first job and they were like you can start in April i was like

i'm January first i'll be there and my February i was like this was fucking stupid um i can't believe i did this but i was just going oh i was like ready to go show them once earlier i'm almost positive and i don't want to screw you up here but i'm almost positive if you're starting a new thing like can't use well if you're not moving and it depends on what you said to them

“and when you'd be ready to go so all that stuff is kind of on the table but my guess would be hey”

i need to clear up some stuff you i have a couple client things i don't know again what your industry is but i would start hammering into the idea of like the unemployment guys come is there any things yeah i got to you know close up my book i've got to consult kind of a couple people that are under me i've got to just sort of address my team i need i need another week of that transitional period here to be able to just do this clean so if you don't

mind me starting the next monday that would be awesome but again it depends on what you said to them how willing you said you were able to do this it sounds like all the stuff would have been on your radar suit or birdie known the calendar but i would think there's a lot of people that are on the management kind of hiring side of this that you they're going to ask for what like they want you there as quickly as possible but if you're 25 you're probably going to be

able to survive they'll be okay the doors will still open if you're not there over the early you're not heading up at the vision probably at 25 you only think it's like it's it's it sounds like a pretty sick opportunity he's like he's uh under or he's yeah he's under qualified it's a good setup like is there i guess you just have to balance like is it worth like potentially like don't you know don't post on instagram i guess when you're but they're in that week kind of

kind of laid low don't don't get caught don't tell on yourself i hope to see me i'll find you well i mean this for four days uh by the way real quick he did just say and i had already forgotten because we got in the time square thing he i've been unemployed for a bit i also got let go as part of layoffs a little wall back and quote he got an offer last week though i don't know i

feel like the the tough part mentally is like you're never so it isn't even have the job yet

oh he got an offer what he didn't accept so he's like assuming they'll want him to start right away if they want to offer him the job then there's a chance he's going to be able to get away with this

we're sending me offer like you're going to have you get what you get to watch the united two

man yeah i just think that uh those first couple of months or even before you start is when

you're the most buttoned up and try hardy so that might it might mess with your brain chemistry when you're thinking like my god i just got to save from unemployment this job seems too good to be

“true like i think it would be i'd i'd like to be the guy that said i would figure this out to”

to get that week off but honestly i don't think i would i don't think i mean layoffs are scary and then being unemployed for a while seems really scary so i don't know i'd probably be like yeah whatever you guys say i'm here so i don't know i'm kind of with you i think i'd be too safe because if you get caught like what that you do you you make some kind of excuse because like there has to kind of be a reason right i don't even get caught just feels like you're bad

carming i think that seemed like it was like a break in it's in like a rough patch but i don't know i want to i want to like for the brand of me and this show will be like dude go for it you only live once but i just don't think i would but 25 year old Kyle and current Kyle or two people 25 real Kyle might roll the dice more i'd probably would have to yeah i don't know i got i got caught up just trying to get get a day off of work got fired you know from a restaurant gig just trying

“to get a day off of work i was weren't pulling two shifts and it's like that that was scarred”

me so i don't think i would have what happened my buddy was coming into town i was open i

opened the motel store so basically i would when i had my little apartment if it keeps you

i would catch the bus at like six in the morning open up motel's work a full day catch the bus on route nine get to the get to the uh melting pot place that i worked and they worked a full shift there that was like in my little gap year and my buddy was visiting me from college to check out my new apartment i was very excited and i tried to get off so i worked like half a shift at motels fake through up went home called my guy at the restaurant

i was like hey i just threw up a motels i'm not gonna be able to make it in and then like all the sudden that wasn't cool the next day and then like next thing i knew i needed to find a new job from the restaurant place so like anything of that ilk i'm like man just i can't do it i have to show up for the job so i'm and that was like 19 so by 25 i would i wouldn't be fucking around through your scar yeah yeah was there anything better than happened prior to that

it's a melting pot that maybe it would have now do not solid work my way up from the dish pit line cook expo doing all sorts of stuff you can find the restaurant yeah they just didn't believe me which for somebody i don't know why i'd i'd you blame him yeah i could actually i was pretty so i have a clean bill of health yeah and a day of employment it's a melting pot prior to this and you told me through up in motels and people fired yeah they said it was all good and then

there was some miscommunication that it was like a no call no show and they just like next thing i knew is like give us your fucking apron bro so um yeah i don't know it was strange i mean did i do like a handful of tortilini's when you went into the walk-in maybe strawberries but you know i really like what did i did i maybe drag out a trash run to smoke a cigarette yeah but who didn't we're in a restaurant industry so you know i wasn't you know i got most of my starting

smoking when i worked with a black dog yeah i did most of my adults all these other chefs get to take breaks and smoke every shift like i should start smoking or something my question will stuff happen at motels not really at the motel pots so i don't really know what happened there still not over it can you follow up with anyone there okay this is just it should have actually one of my best friends is the one who let me get fired so uh i wait do we talk about it all the time he doesn't

ever want to talk about it so there might be like something higher up going i might go straight to the top he changes the subject quick these days when i bring it up after reading that sentence again program i hear i you got laid off you've been out of work for a little while i know the first two days of the tournament are the best i mean your talk is like my life revolved around it there

“for a long time i think my dad let me miss school once wow probably more than that's a basketball”

house yeah yeah yeah because we used to go especially my school etiquette well i i think the difference is when we were in Connecticut we would go to the civic center because they used to

always have the first two rounds so like we'd go richman beat bobby night was there in the building

boys coming out in their sailor suits in the building temple in the building but uh we had a great run it a great run we saw proven it's or what was it the Georgia Tech Providence one so i think Providence had like the second third and fourths rounds so like one year we get to see teams like go all the way through the regional so yeah i definitely missed school then but i think the difference was i think when we when i was in high school i was a Martha's winner obviously

like we weren't going any games fucking boat being involved in the whole thing i think i got him to let me like stay home my school aged to watch your games but you know he can't lay me off

awful awful parent so uh i don't know man i mean you know better than we do on this one

“normally i would say hey it's not the big of deal you're like hey new job whatever i need to start”

on this day but if they know that you're unemployed and they also know maybe you love sports like this could be a really dangerous move yeah be tough to explain uh you're loved ones if it if it all worked out the bad way you know to me that would be be really shitty to explain that one alright this one is pretty brutal because we have pictures um on top everything else

not like you know it's basically somebody gonna fight like crime scene photos okay

i don't think so alright no here we go uh hi Ryan and crew writing it to you with a dilemma describing the subject line the subject is my groom's been beat my ass i'm 26 5 9 1 9 you know a basketball comp a played football in college we love athletes you know we did it if you did it after high school you know you're a lot of respect so thank you for your service i'm preparing training to become an EMT this is only relevant because my friend who gave me a real beating is too

on top of this I'd ask him to be your groom's been in my wedding this coming fall the same night this happened i've attached pictures which are a bit ugly and they are bad sky got roughed up for context Seth name change that i've been friends since college lived together

during college uh our friend group is very close who always hung out together almost zero

drama speak of in our friend group's history that's crazy um any real conflict is few and far between most of us are in long term relationships we get along great with each other anything physical which is very rare has been obviously good nature chirping and some shoving after too many beers i say that to your context is why this is so jarring last week in a subset of our group went out to celebrate both Seth and I both passing the basic EMT exams all was normal

a late night of drinking which ended with a few of us going back to a buddy's place to sleep it off in his basement that's when set in the time wrestle yeah here we go a little late night wrestling by one of the basement adults may bovers i agreed if we both promised it was going to be taken too far since his worth noting that Seth probably has six inches and fifty pounds on me not to mention a series reach advantage for both physically fit with these objectively taller

and lengthier the wrestling ended fine we both had our share of wins but stopped out of exhaustion he then challenged me to box uh that's just what the fuck are you got to say no and there got to say

no something he's always wanted to do for almost two years now since we train with a coach a few

years back i reluctantly agreed knowing he is a large reach advantage and i didn't want things to go too far a few minutes in i realized it couldn't get it hit in and i was gas so i said i was done after we wrapped up Seth begins to give me advice on my hands being in the wrong spot nothing like some late night coaching i continue to tell on how i was right based on what our trainer had told us well you've been that now made a terrific point uh he then challenged

just that by punching me in the ribs on both sides then punches me in the nose which started

“bleeding pretty good i showed him away from me out of frustration something i think anyone would”

do if they caught a couple complete if they were caught by a couple completely unprepared blows like that um Seth then proceeded to jump attack me after i shoved him leaving knee with a bloody face bruised head black eye my other friend the host had a pull Seth off of me and things somewhat calm down however Seth didn't really apologize or acknowledge how he was in the wrong eventually left without saying a word and had his girlfriend pick him up real late sunday afternoon

Seth reached out what what i think is an apology but it read like a kid whose parents made them apologize as someone they didn't plan on apologizing to he then texted me this week with plans for this coming weekend is if all was right in the world i've now responded i was a sturdy keep it moving i'd like to see the words of the apology because yeah i mean all i'm saying all here and it's like it didn't sound like he meant it over text so i mean that might be all this

guys good for that might be the extent of his apology repertoire so i don't know i'd like to see what i'd like to see the words on the page before we just breeze past i'm not sure if he meant it

“yeah but i think that's an important thing to get back to here i almost done my friends and”

listen my friends are listeners uh suggested i write in as you can imagine my fiance was pissed parents members family members pissed first they wanted him uninvited from the wedding but that was a while that was while the black eye and cuts were still fresh he will be at my wedding but based on how he's handled the situation i'm guessing he is zero idea that i'm most likely removing him from the wedding party my dilemma is whether i remove him from my bachelor party or not additionally how

i tell him he will no longer be my groom's been like i said he doesn't seem to have a great situational awareness so i could see either of these things heading south i'd appreciate your thoughts yeah i mean our guy got touched up here i mean his right eye is smoked and then i think he sent his pictures from the actual they took pictures of this his face is covered blood well just the

the situation by shoving him off a few that's i mean that's insane he was lost to the booze

“he was just that's the only answer here so that's why saying would be is he just so embarrassed”

that he's like he didn't know how to apologize and then he's like i'm gonna i'm gonna just like talk to you like it's normal so it gets so fast like everybody just kind of forget about it because that's a new memory so it's a bad apologizing like it's hard it's awkward you know

we're not always in touch with our feelings kind of thing and he's probably embarrassed and there's

really no how to he could just be totally situationally unaware and dumb and a shithead or he could be just really embarrassed and doesn't really know how to how to apologize to you him going like hey what's what's the word on this weekend is a tactical text yes that's yeah that is him trying to see uh what love how you're gonna handle that and you right you have a responded i don't know if i were a groom's men and then the groom was like hey you've been

demoted but you can still come i wouldn't go i mean at first of all i mean you'd like to think you could just certain age where you would just feel terrible about this and you would handle the apologizing a little bit better yeah um i'm like the email is said it's maybe just not great at any that stuff so then you know it's kind of like a completely different thing but like a larger topic of how often do we give more of a leash to the guys that are actually terrible

the thing that they're supposed to like they're almost rewarded you know like what's up

back up like always just kind of an asshole like it'll be fun it's like well how about he just stops

being an asshole and then like we'll appreciate him a little bit more instead of me having to get to him and go to his level and accept all of this stuff like everybody else has throughout the entire

“life and that's why it continues to get away with it because everybody changes the conditions”

to satisfy his fucked up needs so um you know this might be just a time in history for this friend group where you may have to be that guy right where you're like hey you've been demoted see how he reacts i would imagine he doesn't want to do that but it really depends like how much you care about this person as a friend you said everything's been great other than this you know you guys are all hanging out was late late nightbears wrestling matches it usually never ends well

now ever um in as much as you know you're an ankle i've been saying that was this year what was

that one again was january i remember first of all i was i first of all i won that bout but yeah

that was january that was not longer go yeah that was the paths what uh first win yeah i think that was after the chargers that might have been yeah oh could have been the Texans he was in the snowstorm yeah that was Texans with the brother Texans though the conditions alone it's not surprising yeah yeah that's about where they're in that game i was just thinking i remember back to when like high school remember when we talked about like due to the like guard their their nuts for like

when that was like going through their friend group around that time was like a slap boxing thing too i don't know what that was about but like that i would have got flashbacks to that like late night this guy still got a little in the tank thinking back to the glory days i mean that's just i mean

“nine out of ten times that would get out of hand so um i don't know you just i think you just”

try to talk it chalk it up to you could even just be like listen i unless his apology was like last night got a little nuts huh and that was it like so we both said things we didn't mean yeah yeah if it was that i could see that i could see that but like you might be able to say like listen man that was crazy i don't i don't want to have to watch my back for one of my buddies after like we're after a long night but also you know i got families i'm married into a family my father

and laws like what the hell you up to you know what i mean he's questioning if this is what i'm gonna be like when i become part of his family you can be like you don't really understand how much he jammed me up here and like there's like now changes in motion and the fact that you know your apology was basically you know weak AF like that's kind of an issue and there's there's bigger stuff at play not just my feelings like you really don't seem to understand you know what you've

caused and so like it may be to put it in a perspective for this guy a little bit so i think the big problem that he has is like doesn't seem like anyone learned anything here so that might be that might be the point you want to get across do you pull the friend group and just see like hey is he hasn't he's talked anybody is he like hey how bad is this like maybe he's like what's the level of damage that i've done here again maybe he just doesn't know it's obviously

on him to do the apology and make things right but again like by unenvited but by doing all these things like you could be obviously he jammed you up in the situation but like you know he already probably feels bad um if you'd demodem i don't know i i wonder like if this is going to like do even more damage to our guy again he punched you so you're well within your right to be annoyed about it but i don't know i don't know it's like anything see what they think there's a

guy you know there's a couple guys if they punch me granted my age would be a little weird

alright whatever i mean i can it's kind of hard to even select like i guess i've got to go back

in time here a little bit and think of like yeah there's probably some guys that if they punch me i would depending on the circumstances you know like i'm gonna get over this and then there's other people where it'd be like the all-time enter because there'd be all these things that already was like okay this was the final straw and now i want nothing to do with you and now it's not gonna matter um so good you did me a favor here because now i have like a built in one dramatic

moment that i can point to is the final straw of of wire friendship ended here so it sounds like

you still want to be friends with the guy it sounds like you really like this group you could

“worry about the group dynamics you have to balance the group dynamics and how much because i think”

everybody's gonna give you a pass no matter what you want to do here you have to balance that with what your fiance wants to do what the family wants to do because yeah like if you got one of those uncles that thinks this is complete bullshit your face is scarred up days after this event and everybody saw it you're like oh yeah this is Pete you know if you got it worked me over that night and he's a lot bigger than you on top everything else like maybe you don't even want that necessarily

you're wedding so uh i think so we're just going to about a little bit of recon with the rest of the

friend group to go like where's he at with this and if they're like he hasn't said anything about it

“then maybe it's time to give him some kind of like wake up call of that well if you're just”

if you're gonna do stuff like this and then also not feel any remorse or not show any compassion to me the entire time then fuck you then then maybe you deserve it i i don't know why you would one i don't know why he would want to go to the wedding if you were like hey by the way like your uh here's your suit deposit there's a way that that you're off the table you can like play this off with the if he's at the wedding it's like oh you're the guy's like yeah i'm

the asshole you kind of just owns it and it's not even about it whatever definitely sure it's like it's right i don't know wait there's a way he can make this right sort of dry just taking all the blame at the wedding and being the punching bag which you probably should be and that could be fun everyone's happy and you're still on the wedding and all that stuff it's gonna be a good family they're not gonna go like that so it's so you really work from over

yeah maybe the grandma's i don't who knows but you know there's some there's you know maybe the father-in-law can find some funny there's it is kind of funny it could be kind of funny really just dudes being dudes my dad would find that funny yeah i'd want to ab this get right with him and be like hey listen there's nothing i can do about this other train of shit that's coming behind this but at least you are mere good and like if you you still want to show up it's

gonna be good but i'd rather us be good than us be our shaky ground and then all the family and you know all the ancillary people at the wedding who have their own opinions be nice of you

“and your boy got on the same page so i think that's well said call yeah beautiful thanks beautifully”

said thanks to Tom Kevin sorruti and Kyle for their work on the show today tomorrow we have at the end of work so our late Thursday early Friday morning release although they've been coming out kind of like you know early enough on Thursday night west coast could be a little afternoon commute for you at nann on the Oscars what else do you have anything else certainly if you're supposed to have uh uh fence the t-wolf head coach finchie but we're seeing

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