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“Of course. So subject for today is going to be the future warfare future. And also I guess because you guys are all soft guys, right?”

Former soft guys with a bit of like a more of like a eyeball on what like special operations specifically. I mean, we're seeing what's happening now in the golf and stuff and in our bases around the Middle East with the Shahi drones, you know, blowing up B3 centuries in case he won 35s injuring and killing servicemen. I definitely want to start off with like, how do we, what can we do to counter that drone to the right? And why isn't it happening already?

That's my question because it seems a little, you know, we're like moving in molasses a little bit in terms of like, you know, defending ourselves essentially for lack of a better term.

Do you want to ask him, I think it's like you guys could mud wrestle for whoever wants to take your first easy.

Okay, so deep, I'll take that one, Eric will right here. Thanks for having us on. That's pleasure to be able to do this from the way if there's security summit. And, you know, we'll get this going. Specifically in 2018 and 19 and even a little bit in 17. The drones, the integration of drones on the battle space really kind of started to take effect. All the way down to watching, you know, Alshabab, I've written in very remote parts of Somalia testing and integrating drones into their awareness.

And we had to deal with that on the battlefield. And then, you know, AQAP and Yemen, they also were integrating and trying to buy DJI drones and see what they could do with it. As a seal, I was watching my army brothers in Syria deal with a much higher level and threat than what we were experiencing. But it was all the way down to, you know, reports of guys on the wall with a 12 gauge trying to like shoot trap and ski, but they are trying to trying to do that was the most rudimentary counter drone defense that you get think of.

And so that was kind of the reality of what I was watching then. And then now you go all the way to the shithead drones, which are full motion video guided, you know, thermal guidance by our remote control operator.

“And so there's a couple different ways that you have to defeat the drones.”

You either have to defeat the input signal coming in through electronic warfare, usually to to cut that. So then the drone is now pilotless. It's sitting on a lawyer and trash. It's going to return base. Or you need to fry the circuitry, some sort of directed energy either a laser or something of that nature.

But it is a massive power requirement. So you're not going to be very portable with a laser for drone defense.

“And then last and not least, you can either do some sort of damage to the drone itself.”

So either you got to have nets or you got to have another drone or in the case of some cities and eagle that flies up and like they're trained to grab those drones and take them out of the sky. So those are your options. The options aren't easy. And when you start to talk about it on a scope and scale, because now we're talking about counter drone technology and counter drone implementation. For the partner defense. And that typically we'll start with, you know, spec ops are typically the kinds of people that they're putting out there on the very point of edge.

They're usually fairly extended out into the battle space and they're kind of blowing it on the fridge. So they're usually like little island of American policy out there.

Now, they're the ones that need it. The logistics is always hard to reach them.

The power requirements for a laser type thing are going to be very hard. So now you start talking about how quickly can you develop another drone to go open swarm on an incoming drone and do enough damage to it to drop it out of the sky. Is there something that you can take to fry it, fry the search train it, or is there something that you can place. The right spectrum, covering the right bits of the spectrum to cut that, that command and control so that it will either void or return base.

So it's not an easy problem, and it's only compounded when you talk about the levels of your accuracy within DOD to implement change quickly.

“So that is why we are laying behind that's why in 2017, 2018 you had a man on the wall with a shotgun.”

And now, why you still have shitty drones going into air bases even even in the Gulf countries. The technology has evolved faster on the offensive side than it has on the defensive side. That's as simple as it gets. Yeah, and just to add to that, kind of more talk, but play more broadly, especially, you know, air cave a good breakdown of the two really the two main types of defeat being EW or kinetic defeat. And what you kind of see is as different countries, the U.S. included, start to figure out how they're going to defend against drones and there's different types of drones.

The U.S. is a really broad term, and there's reconnaissance drones and tactical drones and kinetic drones. So it's how do you do defeat all those things, and just as Eric mentioned, these the technologies advancing so quickly, you can't, you can't choose a side, you can't go with an all kinetic option. And kind of what I'm seeing to Eric's point of the kinetic defeat and the limitations, the bureaucracy, the funding is, you know, those Gulf states have been purchasing U.S. Patriot missiles and other kinetic defense systems.

Really, for more traditional surface-to-air uses, not necessarily focused on drones, and when you're talking about the time and the money it takes to build, deploy, and use a Patriot missile, you know, you're talking, I think it's one and a half to two million dollars, then the limitations on the manufacturing side.

“I think I heard the total number of Patriot missiles built each year is 600, you know, and you're facing a country that has in the thousands of just Shaheed drones, you can see that there's a huge logistical challenge there.”

What about GPS jamming guys? I mean, what's the capability or possibility of using this also from space-based domain? I mean, GPS jamming is, you know, very well-could be another one of those, another one of those ways to sever that no billacle, that pilot and billacle to the drone itself. You know, the risks with doing that are, you know, you have now done that from a space-based, like look at where that cone of jamming is coming down to, and now you're starting to talk about large geographic areas, you may or may not want to, you know,

to put that in, and as soon as that drone is out of that cone, if it is on a straight line flight, it very well could be picked up by control from another controller pretty easy. And you were talking about the innovation problem, what's a good way to kind of get around that do you think that we could, like if we were in control of the DOD right now, we could actually say like, hey guys, implement this to speed up acquisition and production and testing and all that to get out to the field, what would kind of be a good way to get about that.

I hate, I hate, I hate for all of these drone conversations to end in the same cold-a-sac, but I'm going to take us right back into the same cold-a-sac. I would either take, you know, a handful of soft operators and put them into Ukrainian bunker for two to three weeks, or I'd take the smartest people in Ukraine that can come off the front lines and bring them right back to, you know, so cone head coercion like that and have them sit down for a week.

Because what is occurred over the, over the fight in Ukraine is that the relationship between the drone and the operators has changed dramatically.

“And with the implementation of drones on the battle space, now all of the other types of raids and things that we have grown accustomed to and in the war on terror, and I'm sure you are too young, it's totally changed, it's completely different now.”

So, the, at times in Ukraine, the operator is doing nothing more to enable the continuation of a flight of a drone.

And that's because, you know, the Russians are good with EW, they're very good with electronic warfare, so you have to, they have had to adapt and adjust the tactics to be able to fly those drones in through the layered mesh of EW that the Russians are putting out in order effectively get the drone to work needs to to have the effect that they're looking forward, you know, the kill, the collection, you know, whatever whatever they want the drone to do.

So, the, at times, the operator isn't the most critical component in it, the drone was, but in other instances, like the longest sniper shot in the world now, the drone was enabling the operator.

So, it's, it's, it's this relationship that you got to come down to understand that you're no longer like the center of what this operational act is, and you might just be in an enablement as a human in that process. So, like, the, the drone, you know, that's how I would do it, John. I would go to where the innovation is occurring the fastest, I would try to pull those smartest people either out of it or get next to them.

“And you, you have to clear the bureaucracy, absolutely, and you have to open up the checkbook. It's that important, and you got to Robert Gates as the Secretary defense did this during the Gulf War, or sorry, during the second Iraq War.”

And it was because the IEDs and the casualties we were seeing in all the humbese. So, he, he just went scorched Earth across the board, cut through all the bureaucracy, open up the checkbook, and that's when you saw the implementation of the Emirates coming in any broader minutescale. So, tell me that the future of war kind of, that theme that we're on to, like, if we were able to actually do that innovate, now we're there on the battlefield, what would initiative and like seasoning initiative, being on the offensive look like with our own use of drones against an adversary like Iran right now, for example.

“I think, and this is where I have a more moderate philosophy or approach to a lot of this, and even Eric and I might differ on this is this concept of everything's changing, everything's different, nothing applies anymore.”

Whether it's military or even just the more broadly, the AI discussion that's going on across the world of, you know, it's going to replace everybody versus the counter argument of is this just going to be another technology that augments human capacity. So, you know, I think I fall on the side of the fence, if this is going to augment human capacity, obviously, AI's a technology unlike any that we've ever seen, so it's going to take over, and it's already taking over and knowledge work and things like that, some of the more mundane task, and we'll see that on the tactical side as well.

So, going, you know, whether you're talking about offensive employment or your previous question of how do we adapt quickly, I always go, you know, first principles impressive, what's the precedent now, what are we doing now that's going to work, so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. And to your point of innovating and invading quickly, we have units in the military specifically in special operations that have special R&D and special acquisitions policies in place that we can use to do that, so, you know, again, to air point, yeah, absolutely bring those subject matter experts, or I would say those guys are really good at testing R&D identifying what's the right tool for the job and acquiring it quickly and then feel testing it.

But they need to be in the scenario, they need to face these drone swarm scenarios or, you know, counter UIS scenarios so they can develop the TTPs once they're exposed to it, in training, they're really good at finding a solution, and they've got those, you know, acquisition channels in place to get there quickly, being technology agnostic just what's the best tool for the job, so that's kind of where I land on it, you know, and then you go to the tactical side.

Again, I fall on the side of, we have things, we have tactics, TTPs, doctrines, that work, and we need to use these tools to augment them, and they might look a lot like what we have traditionally done in country, because as I mentioned earlier different types of drones, you have drones that focus on reconnaissance, you have kinetic drones.

“So the same as you had reconnaissance units and more kinetic units, light infantry units, now you're just augmenting the capacity and the capabilities of those units.”

So it's on them, to Eric's point, get it in the hands of those guys and figure out how a reconnaissance element that's moving forward trying to locate the enemy can augment their capabilities through the use of drones.

So falling in on TTPs that we already know work and then figuring out which ones don't work, removing them quickly and adapting.

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“And I do agree that underlying transport is how are you getting these tools to augment the human capability?”

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we've seen the debate coming up now about autonomous targeting and stuff like that. You saw the big profile between the DOD andthropic. Where does a human hopefully stay in the kill chain? It's not just going to be autonomous targeting and stuff like that.

And you know, let's be honest, even a human being in the kill chain doesn't exactly mean it's going to be perfect either, right? So where, where do you guys sit on that debate?

So the first time that I ever saw AI, AI completely unleashed an AI targeting in the lethal way,

was in Eastern Libya, and I can't recall if it was 2017 or 2018. But effectively, there were some Russian contractors that were on the side of half-tower, and they unleashed a wave of drones that had AI targeting built into them. And as soon as those drones went into, into the militial lines, they just unmersly targeted anything that met the criteria.

And the article was written from a survivor's perspective. There were a couple guys that got out of it. And I mean, they just, you know, there is no surrender. There is no wounded. There is no, you know, ethical treatment of prisoners on this.

You know, I mean, you are literally talking like, you know, kind of like terminator days, terminator type killings.

It, it never even was a blip on the radar, even, you know,

even in like the, you know, the soft military circles. It didn't really register. But so that was the first time it was there. I was shocked. And I was like, okay, well, if your adversary is going to do it,

do you, do you truly slow down the kill chain by putting a human in the loop, even if it's for last, or even if it's for a two second interval, before you put it on terminal guidance. There are ways to maximize the use of what AI can do for you, but still have the proper interruption at the proper times.

And personally, I don't believe that you're going to lose a competitive advantage

with a two second delay, or a ten second delay, even.

I carried out hundreds of strikes.

“I do not see that as an impediment to the impact that you need to have on the battlefield.”

We'll keep those you have to use. So I personally have an ethical problem by taking a human completely out of a kill chain when we start to talk about robotic or drone warfare. The one other instance of that was basically it was during the Cold War. And it was, you know, the Russians had developed a,

they developed a missile. And if that missile received this, you know, received the launch order,

it basically went up and transit across Russia and it was emanating the signals

for any remaining missiles that were still intact to launch. So it was, it's basically like a dead man's missile. So their, their thought was it. If Moscow got hit from a nuclear strike from the United States, they still had potentially the ability to counter attack with the dead man missile.

It was going to automatically launch anything I'll say at. So I think that's kind of like the first instance of what we're talking about. But by taking humans completely out of the kill chain. I think it started in the Cold War, the idea did. I think we've seen it being acted here in in 2017 in Eastern Libya.

And then yet again, you know, you now have large amounts of AI driven targeting for sure. And how far that AI goes into the actual kill chain now is probably, you know, it's on a classified level.

“I, I don't have access to it, but I firmly stand if you have to have a human in the chain.”

I don't know if you see it differently. Yeah, no, I think it's, you know, it's a nuanced answer to a very nuanced subject. How are you, because there's not a one size fits all in combat. So how are you employing this discussion of in the loop on the loop out of the loop? How are you, if you were to get to a point where we're going to accept out of the loop technologies?

How are you going to use it? Are you going to use it offensively in an urban environment? Probably not. Are you going to use it in a defensive posture on a defined forward line of operations against a uniformed combatant? That's probably an acceptable, an acceptable use of that.

“And then you have to get into the counter UAS, how do you counter UAS?”

You get the discussion of decoys and spoofing, which is going on right now. You know, Iran will not launch a number of UAS that are not armed, just to deplete kinetic defenses of Israel and other, you know, other Gulf states. So can a human make that decision to shoot down or to identify which or the decoys and which are actually armed drones? Probably not. That's a good, you know, and there's no collateral damage in shooting something out of the sky assuming it's just, you know, it's just a kinetic drone.

So great use of out of the loop and AI targeting where the human doesn't have to decipher that when you only have so many seconds. The humans, you know, that defense system program to go ahead and identify and work through the math, figure out which or the decoys, which or the spoof, shoot those, you know, leave those and shoot down the armed drones. So I think with all these things, you have to really specify what you're talking about before we make a decision as a country of we can never accept out of the loop, you know, programming or targeting.

Because there's there's absolutely applications for it, but you know, if we want to be the continued to be the leader of the world, then you know, we need to make sure that we have humans and commanders and charge ultimately in the, you know, that kill chain decision. What do you say to like, you know, our enemies, right?

Like because, you know, we'll try now have those ethical qualms that we will, which I think we should, right? I think it's, you know, important that we at least discuss it.

“What do you say to the people that say that our enemies won't have those ethical qualms and that could be an advantage to them?”

Yeah, to your first question, it's absolutely happening, it's happening in the Ukraine right now. There's several examples of that. Drone swarms that, you know, once launched and in authorize, there's completely taken themselves out of the loop. But again, that's a, you know, that's a defensive operation against a uniformed enemy combat.

You know, what do you say, what do we say to our enemy? We always know that we as the United States are going to be restricted or we're going to have our hands tied in some way.

Because we want to be the leader of the free world. We want to set the example. We also understand that as the leader of the free world and as the, the world's, you know, military superpower, only superpower. I would argue at this point. That's the last couple years have demonstrated in the Ukraine and now and I ran on.

“The countries don't want to fight us nor can they militarily, but they went on the public affairs and the public opinion side. So.”

Regardless of what our enemy is going to do and what we're seeing and I ran is, you know, in, in the, in the case of decoys and spoofing. Perhaps confusing an AI or a target or to strike a school, you know, whether that was the case or not, that's certainly a tactic that could be employed by an adversary who knows we can't win militarily. So we need to make this as messy as possible. It's way public opinion in favor of our enemy. So I don't think it's any change to to what we've been subjected to for the last 15 or 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“We know that our enemy's enemy's going to fight without limitations. We need to continue to adapt and evolve and employ these new technologies and adjust way.”

I'm curious more on the technology, too. You're talking about it for you to get a little more specific on like what's the brain of one of these devices look like, especially when we're talking about like reconnaissance versus attack and like how does that change and differentiate based on the platform or the objective.

And so the very first start point for any drone for anybody that really develops and knows whether they don't, they start with what the payload is.

Is it a lethal payload? Is it a collection payload? What's the payload? Then you build the drone around that. So that is that's in, in the way the drone started, they actually it all started out 180 from that. What are the drone and what can we attach to it? And then it kind of bummed a long for a while. But the true people that are developing these things correctly, they start with they. So whatever the payload is, whether it's a, you know, a spectrometer, a camera, a cell network device, collection of ice, or a mortar or a DG round, you know, for more of a lethal drone.

Then on the drone around it, really it just comes down to seven critical parts. And all those parts are all the same. It's just in different dimensions or different different aspects to give what you want. It's the, it's the frame, motors, the electronic, you know, speed control, flight controls, sensors, power, and then really the communication. So there's seven critical components. And then there's an eighth one if you just add the payload to it. Um, you know, when you talking about the brain, it just comes down to the to that motherboard and how the comms, the speedometer and everything is coming into that motherboard. It's, you know, it's, it's not rocket science.

And, uh, you know, there isn't a big differentiation between a tumult drone or a rocky drone. It's really just a payload. And actually you mentioned the direct to cell, which kind of peak my interest, because with the Iran war right now, they've got their internet down. It's like 99% without internet in the country, the huge communication problem for domestic communication, trying to get out in the streets, communicate, coordinate, get out and protest and whatnot. Thinking about, you know, I, in my mind, I was thinking about a lower orbit satellite mesh network solution to try to give my direct to cell capability and carry us what your thoughts on the feasibility of, you know, without the issue of money or resources. If, if we could turn those things up, what would be the feasibility of actually using drones to help with that kind of mesh network to actually get the people to communicate with each other so they can get out and take over in the streets.

Absolutely. I mean, you know, like when you, if I, if I, if I rewind a little bit in the discussion, you just go back to the EW, the rushes, but none of the front lines of Ukraine, there are portions of that flight where it's guided by starving, which is low orbit satellite system, right, lower internet satellite system.

Like an HF meter. Yeah, HF repeaters, right. And so it's different phases of the flight.

“They have to have different communications that they're controlling the drones with.”

And, and that's where I'm talking about the relationship between the operator and the drone. There are portions that flight where the drone is good. And then you've got a four station operator and the operator is actually acting as a repeater with a capability to continue the drone to get it to target. And, um, so yeah, I mean, whether you do that with low orbit satellites from, you know, from SpaceX or whether you do that by drones that are within, you know, or go to a type type capabilities that are literally padding the C2 of that drone. Yeah, that's all very doable, which it just comes down to funds and how you're going to deploy it, power it, and then employ it and use it.

Yeah, we were talking a couple of weeks ago about the Kurds in Western Iran coming perhaps students kind of a conventional war for activity, you know, getting training perhaps to go over across the border. And to me, that sounds like a pretty good layer to add in there. If they do, in fact, move in to have that overhead to be able to communicate and also use it as, you know, a weapon platform but also reconnaissance and communication to it the same time.

“It's like a very robust capability to have this layered activity with drones overhead.”

Yeah, and you know, and then.

But to Scott's point on, it needs to be a tool that enables human capabilities. The blend of the drones is got to be different each instance as well. I mean, there are plenty of drone companies out there that are making them build a drone. So it's, you know, it's attached to the build cool. It's coming from the ground, it's going up. The payloads on those things can be, you know, whatever you can have it be as a comms hub, you can have it be as a camera hub, you can have it.

“You can have it acts as a cell phone tower.”

And you're feeding it power up the cable anyway. So now you've extended the flight time and all that and it can maintain station. So if you put that on the back and before we learn, you put it on the back of the side by side. You put it on the back of the things. You, it can rule the battle space with you, providing that on a billacle that can't. EW isn't going to jam your ability to control your drone and do whatever you're, you're want to do there.

But then, or that can think could also be kind of like considered like your, your C2 node, why you then have these other disparate drones or going on doing it. But all of this, all of this, you know, this is exactly a Scott's point. You got to get these kinds of things in the hands of the people that are the most innovative that have the right authority is already in place to have the right budgeting to match it, to just get after it. And, you know, one of the things that really open my eyes about the reality of what's going on in Ukraine was listening to how they would mass a salt force to have an effect on a target for a very short period of time.

But what I keep going goes out, it's gathering the information, it's pumping that information into basically, you know, an attack. So everybody is getting at the same time. But now what used to be a, you know, a 40 man infantry battalion or a 40 man assault element. They're not, they're not patrolling in 40 people. They're coming from all points of the compass, the right and battered our motorbikes, singles. And if one or two will get hit by Russian drones, the majority of the time it's it's actually hitting motorbikes.

Next guy just comes by and picks up the guy that need to lift. And they are massing from all points of the compass to have the effect of they need to, and then they're dispersing again. And, and, you know, just, if you think about that for a minute, they'll go the day is like, you're only massing combat power that you need for a very short period of time. And I'm there in a very innovative way. You're not putting them in a Bradley, you're not putting them in a CH-47, it's been five kilometers of the target.

You're not doing the things that we learned and we were able to do successfully because of that was basically changed.

And actually I was thinking about something a little topical, you know, with the pilots just went down today and Iran and thinking about, you know, the way we used to do personal recovery did not include drones. And now I'm sure it does. I'm curious, you know, like in a future situation with a little bit more time to actually integrate what is kind of the best way to use these platforms, especially looking at where the pilot went down, it's like 300 kilometers from friendly lines. So you've got line of sight problems, there's obviously tyrannious issues and enemy issues, you know, what's kind of the way forward if you, if you could crystal ball it.

Crystal balling anything in this space right now is a challenge. That's why it's fun. So it's like you don't want to use the term crystal ball, it's more like magic wand, you know, if you could magic wand anything right now.

That's a big magic wand to create a UAS system that, you know, has a payload of 200 to 250 pounds, like I said, that's a, that's a big ask.

“So I think kind of just being more judicious with where the technologies had current capabilities and limitations. I think that absolutely, you've got the wrecky drones.”

I don't think today fortunately for for those pilots and everybody that was involved in the search and rescue that the surface to air missile was a threat, but if you still didn't have a surface to air threat drones to confuse destroy Overwhelmed those systems to allow something with a larger more traditional means runway wing with a larger payload to go and locate and extract those pilots. I think that's that's more of a crystal ball versus the magic wand, you know, if I could wave it and have a capability tomorrow.

Yeah, yeah, I wonder if it could be used for authentication or something with like signature measurement or something like that as well. It kind of figure out like, is this the guy is he where he's supposed to be where was last time he was there that kind of stuff as well.

Yeah, absolutely. Do you think it's, do you think it's quicker to implement the drones larger style drones?

“Or do you think it's quicker to implement the flight control system that is driven off AI to basically remote pilot in a little bird.”

You know, or something that's already in the in the assets. Yeah, you talk in as like use it like a flight lead. Yeah, I'm just, you know, so instead of putting two pilots at risk to go get a pilot you're putting something with an autopilot.

Yeah, it's using the same asset to close the distance.

I mean, if it gets smoked. Well, you don't have two more people on the ground or to do instead. Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking my first thought when you said that was more of the discussion of drone enabling the operator operator enabling the drone. You know, now we have flight leads that spend a lot of time to do all that planning and lead a rotor going for sin. I was thinking drone leads the force in now. You know, not just necessarily for navigation because pilots obviously do that really well.

But defeating threats and you know identifying the individual you're trying to pick up all the navigation and everything like that. Yeah, it sounds like a remote jet. Yeah, I was just trying to crystal ball this space right now. It's just it's advancing so quickly. Countermeasures or advancing so quickly new technologies every day countering technologies. So it's yeah, it said that's it's a challenge.

“Yeah, you know, there's your L shape flashlight and your pistol going and going find it. That's that's how the get it comes down to you know to basics what works. What do we know works.”

And that's how we're seeing the employment at these things even. How we used canines during the global war on terrors, you know, to get something mobile in front of the assault force. Okay. Well, what if we can get something and that's not a human. What if we can get something that's not even a living organism that's easily replaced or more easily replaced than a canon. So that's kind of where my brain goes every time I, you know, somebody asked me a question on tactics or employment or how do we incorporate this into the assault force. It's like, okay, well, what are we doing now? How can we augment it?

And what task can we replace? It's just like we're doing and in the corporate world, what task can we replace to free the the the guy on the ground up to do more important work. You know, it goes beyond like what we're definitely focused kind of on that on that last like kind of kinetic. Like, you know, the last 10 yards, the kinetic piece, but if you rewind that a little bit, you know, these UGBs, the unmanned, you know, ground vehicles. Look, there's multiple articles, there's multiple instances here where they've got an M2, so a 50 cow browning machine gun, you know, boat fed, mounted up, plenty ammo and it is in this sector.

It is holding up enough pace of a fire every now and then and sporadically different locations is denying the Russians the ability to advance. It comes offline for a two hour stint gets maintenance reloaded straight back up their crawling around doing it. I mean, there's multiple zeas the ability to resupply your force if you do have folks that are out there really far forward. And maybe they're the ones that are enabling those drones in that last, you know, that comms lily pad that we've been talking about, the ability to resupply those people without getting, you know, a high lux shot or destroyed. It's a small UGB with a box of bullets, band aids, beans, and they put lots of them out there and they're just slowly moving through the landscape and they just know that they have a GPS coordinate to show up at.

If we talked a lot about like the air component and now we're talking about UGBs, what about the subsurface underwater capabilities? Are those developing kind of on par or is that sort of an afterthought as far as the drone, the air drone thing that really grabs headlines?

“Well, I think that the, the air piece is definitely more publicized, but the, whether it's surface or subsurface is absolutely, is it keeping pace or is it slightly behind?”

First thing I think is slightly behind, but it's absolutely not forgotten.

I mean, the Russian fleet had to come out of Black Sea. I mean, you think that that wasn't because of persistent maritime drone swarms, you know, and it's everything from jet skis to now really revolutionized. You know, fully submersible or semi submersible drones that are then they are they are going off AI targeting and video feeds to come in and swarm and hit those hit those those ships. Repeatedly so no, I think that the maritime aspect is is just as important. I just think it just isn't quite as much of a headline grabber, but it's, it's absolutely.

Yeah, especially with the counter mine stuff that we're talking about like the US government of its four minesweepers. We got the literal combat vessels that are not supposed to be used for that that are metallic.

Japan has these wooden boats that they actually use for minesweeping and these all have people in them.

“And what you were just talking about, you know, removing the person back a little bit past that when a cover of concealments that the thing in front of them can actually action it.”

I mean, this sounds like a good place also for this unmanned capability. Yeah, that seems like a really simple solution. You know, doing it the way we're doing it now reminds me of the sappers and you know, I rack driving roads to locate IEDs by making them explode. Driving fast as possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, where it says yeah and adding some armor to it and hoping for the best side.

Yeah, that's just it's a great great opportunity for employment for preservation of the force. Especially in a just in a denied space. So generally, though, like the trend is take the human out. I mean, you know, the M1A1 Abrams tank is so much more effective without people in it. People is actually limiting factor of that tank.

And the tank is designed to preserve the people inside of it. If you could take half of that armor off and make it twice as fast and a lot more lethal, if you if you didn't have to have the armored tech people. Same thing with with airplanes. I mean, you know, the F-18 can out pull the pilot.

“That's what there's there's more or less a government cap in the F-18 because you can pull that that plane will do or that jack will do more G's in the pilot can withstand.”

Right, so if you take that out, now you're increasing the capabilities of your assets. But then that puts us you right back into the, well, okay. At what points are you going to inject the human control so that you can you can you can ethically say that you are still within the laws of armed conflict. And you do have the ability to take prisoners. You do have the ability to attend to when they're on the battlefield.

You do have the ability to do those things that fall within laws of armed conflict. So moving more towards the naval capacity. I wrote in like the outline about aircraft carriers and I wish we had Andy Milburn on here today. He's in he's in Rio and he's jet lagged. So he couldn't make it because he's a perfect.

He's perfectly opposed to aircraft carriers. And we do see it what's happening in the in the Gulf right now like our aircraft carrier had a backup about 300 miles from where it was because we're worried about ballistic missiles and probably should he's.

Our aircraft carriers worth the 13 plus billion dollar price tag that they're on when will they even be effective in a fight first China.

Okay, so. I would love. I'll give Andy a call. I've got his number. Okay, and I thought about your is when you inject that in the outline, I thought about it a lot of D so I appreciate you bring it up. I absolutely loved and continue to love a sovereign piece of the United States that I can put within 12 miles of any coastline I want on earth and in stage and do whatever I want off of it.

You cannot replicate that. Now, in certain instances due to a ballistic missile or a drone threat, you either are going to develop a better calendar measure, which puts the onus on our intelligence community. To go out and and, you know, certitiously get the components they're going into that final seeker head.

You can still you can still push in at times for critical things and take that sovereign piece of US territory to then have and do, you know combat capability support or launch operations.

“So does it have to be an aircraft carrier? No, I am not fully wedded to an aircraft carrier. It could be something cheaper.”

But at the end of the day, it's got to be something that has the capabilities to launch, you know aircraft or munitions, launch boats, launch amphibious vehicles and have the ability to project power. That is is a floating island of US power that you can project from. I don't want to give it up. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I would love to have Andy here, but I mean, this from from what I've gathered from what he said in the past. And I kind of believe it to it kind of seems like a big target. And like even, you know, Iran's not even technologically advanced, right, and we're having an issue. I mean, we haven't been hit, thank God, but somebody here against China who's like their whole doctrine is basically, you know, big part of it is trying to sink aircraft, American aircraft carriers.

How do they survive?

“Like how many SM3 missiles can you like stick on there until like our stick on destroyers around it to to fight off a drone swarm or ballistic missiles anti ship missiles?”

I think it just ties back to the, you know, the same discussion of innovating and iterating and finding the right solution.

Again, I'm not on the and the doom and gloom party that AI is going to replace everybody and these technologists are going to replace everybody. We're going to get to the counter measure solution to protect those aircraft carriers. And as you know, as we just saw us previously, we might be able to extend the range of the platforms that operate out of off of those carriers because they're no longer manned. Some of them are all of them are no longer manned, so they don't have to be with them, you know, firing distance of some of those projectiles.

You know, full faith that counter measures will get there at the same time that unmanned platforms will start to take over and increase the leafality range with well, you know, maintaining preservation of the force. Yeah, it's. It's kind of all has to. You know, I mean, they, they used to call the, the frigate. I don't, I don't want to use fall language here on your podcast. Go ahead. Go ahead.

But, but, um, they called it the douche. It emanated all the signals of the aircraft carrier and the aircraft carrier was silent. Still, you know, do flight ops and lots of, but it can do it comes comes comes dark. And that was that became the electronic aircraft carrier.

“So anything that was inbound to didn't have FMV to it would be going into into that, right?”

There are ways to put like sacrificial lambs out there to do things to confuse about space and stuff so they can still work and still have the ability to project.

And, and like I'm saying, I'm not way to do that 13 billion dollar price tag for, you know, a 5,000 person man aircraft carrier.

I am wedded to the ability to have something that is US sovereign piece of territory that you can jam anywhere you want to it and start project power. You can't replace that. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I mean, I hope there's, you know, nerds in a room somewhere figuring out ways to do this. Like seriously, I mean, because we've seen what's gone on with the Iran operation, like it seems like we're really behind. It's unfortunate, right, because we've had over four years of to see what's been going on in Ukraine and stuff and see like the innovations they've made.

And it's kind of a bummer like we haven't made those same innovations, because we know what's coming, right, or at least have that arrow in your quill or whatever, right, like be able to protect, you know, have some force protection. So, can I rewind a little bit, please? We were, we were dancing a little bit on the our inability to effectively do mine countermeasure operations. And that is due to a systemic problem that we have had now for over a decade. And we've lived through it and it's still currently happening, but it's called continuing resolution.

And what happens as the, as our, as our nation is to come more polarized with politics and the left and the right continue to kind of grow further and further art is that.

And only do it in short segments.

What it is, what happens is, systemically, the long program items that you have in your defense capability, your ability to produce ships, your ability to produce submarines, your ability to produce strategic bombers, your ability to crank out strategic munitions. That goes away because you don't have a steady funding stream. Instead, you have continuing resolution, a little bit to go here, here, here, here, here, but it undermines the long term programatics of your defense capabilities. And so now, the white color are, the MCMs have gone away, but the U.S. does.

And so effectively, yeah, you need a wooden, hold, non-magnetic ship to be able to go in there with right, search.

Surface, subsurface, bottom, and do the searches to be able to, to basically, my calendar measure operations.

And we don't have, it's out of work, it's out of a quick. And that is a, an absolute secondary impact because of our inability to pass annual defense budgets, which is driven by our political platterty. And we, we've had it for too many years. And this is the first instance where we're really seeing it on a strategic level, and it's playing out. But this, this is, this is, this is this systemic problem is the polarization of politics, fortunately.

“And I'm able to, sometimes I vote left, sometimes I vote right, depending on what I see is the most important issue at time.”

Not registered neither party, but that's reality of how the political polarization is playing out in our defense rate.

Indeed, you know, to your wish, I can tell you those nerds do exist, but better than that. Because I, because I'm not one of those guys, you know, those are the guys I called to ask questions. Those are the guys that used to program my radio because I was incapable. And now they're working on these much more complex problems. And so I'm reaching up to them constantly trying to, you know, what is what's new in the space, what's new, what's because the space is becoming crowded quickly, because there's a need and there's capital available.

So how do I, you know, separate the wheat from the chap, you know, what, what are the, what are the good technologies and what should I spend my time on evaluating, so we can incorporate into our training. But better than that is the problem solvers, the, you know, the guys, they're going to actually employ it, who are now moved all on from active duty or also entering the space. So I have a lot of friends that have moved on to to UAS companies, you know, they would have been unheard of, 10 years ago, the guys that were just doing con, not just doing contract, but doing contracting and working in the defense space, you know, selling uniforms and body armor and things like that are now all toward gravitating towards UAS and counter UAS for the same reason.

“So the problem is being solved by a lot of folks, that's why I'm so confident that we'll get to the right solutions.”

Yeah, and since we pop the lid on on politics, I wasn't, I wasn't going to go there certainly not on your podcast. But, you know, it's like, how do we, how did we win World War II? We mobilized as a country and built a manufacturing base that our enemies couldn't keep up with. And we're in a similar situation right now, but it's technology, you know, so how are we going to innovate with these new capabilities, new technologies, artificial intelligence, autonomous systems, things like that? How do we innovate and iterate and employ faster than our enemies?

And that, you know, goes to the, the broader discussion of within the states, you're seeing to this, you know, political division, some states are really wanting to regulate AI at a state level. And other states are, are opting to let the technology just kind of, you know, let the market decide where this technology goes.

“And I think until the federal government, they've started to step in most recently and do what they can as far as executive orders to just kind of let the technology develop.”

Give it some guard rails, some obvious guard rails for, for safety of citizens and things like that, but just let the, let the market decide where this goes. Tire hands behind our back while our enemies as we discussed earlier, doing none of that. In fact, a lot of these technologies are states sponsored in the case of China, so not only are they free to, you know, they're, they're iterating freely, but they're being backed by their, their federal government. Just some of the things that we need to resolve as a country and kind of come together and, and solve this, you know, regulatory issue, you know, we can't have 50 states each regulating AI and autonomy differently.

How are we going to power these engines, you know, and get on board on those on those big problems and kind of understand that we are at critical mouse right now with this new technology and its capability to be used against us.

We're so competitive right now, we've been ahead of our peers because we've got a culture of innovation and incredible entrepreneurs and credible founders.

“And we need to support them and not hamstring them through regulation or, you know, billionaire wealth taxes, things like that that force them to that make it harder to create these small startups and or move off.”

Yeah, I mean, it's going to be an interesting next few, you know, five years to a decade. Listen, I hope AI, you know, curious cancer. You know what I mean? It's like it's a killer pitch, right? Like it's a killer pitch for reasons seed funding.

It already killed or cured cancer in a dog and Australia. It was not cancer that the guy, I don't know, but I don't know.

It was way through diagnosed as dog came up with a solution and yeah, that's that's room. I don't know if it was cancer, but he definitely saves dog. Yeah, listen, I hope it makes the world a better place and it doesn't like, you know, enslaved us all. Or if it doesn't slave us all and it gets us all out of jobs, like at least like, you know, some universal basic income or something, right? Like, so the human race can actually like survive. Why we don't do anything.

“Just like, yeah, like the Matrix. Guys, what, what are you guys up to? Let's talk a little bit about Lobo and what do you guys do?”

And also Eric, I'd love to talk about end child soldiering too. That great not for profit or charity that you guys run. Yeah, so Lobo, you know, we advise consultant teach, we act. And really, as it relates to, you know, kind of the future of warfare on that teaching aspect of it, we have absolutely pressed since we started Lobo in 2019 to develop facilities and a mindset of pushing the envelope. And we have, you know, we've got a great urban range, or sorry, rural range down in South Central Montana. It's about 70,000 acres in total, the ties and all sorts of public land.

“And we have all our relationships in place, but, you know, we have everything you need to kind of challenge and run realistic training for the tactics that we know right now.”

And what we did was in 2020, we pressed to make sure that we had the also the right FAA permitting to do all of the unmanned drone integration as well. I saw how important that was. I knew it was going to be the next evolutionary step kind of warfare. So our range manager, great guy named Bill Wood, he did that. So we have the underground speed waiver, the nighttime waiver, and then there's, there's one, this kind of the holy grail. It's really hard to get and it's a beyond lioness side waiver. And so it's, it's a very unrestricted airspace, South Central Montana, it's very remote. So we have the ability to train and run all of these, this drone integration into either mobility training or ground training or combination thereof.

So we've been doing a lot of win or mobility training over the last couple of years. We're now evolving that into, you know, the summer spring summer fall. But that ability to, to, to walk to help these units break this evolutionary step and not just get in, in one thing that's going to get them killed. But let allow them to have the right, uh, air assets, drone assets and the right range facilities to do things like come in from all points of the compass on motorbikes or set our razors or things like that and run these style of FMPs and let them work out the TTPs that work for them.

But we're ready to help and then we have everything in line and we're in discussion with, you know, a multiple multiple numbers of units to come on do that, whether that's federal or the O.D. does matter us. So that's kind of the main focus that we have right now on logo is is really just making sure that we're a part of the dialogue for these guys to come out and we have the right ways to facilitate them to help find what the new tactics techniques and procedures will be for them to take that next step.

It's easy to, you know, we, you know, this is the first annual whitefish curie summit that we have going on and, you know, that's basically, you know, kind of soft meets, intel meets influence.

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Obviously, you can see behind us. It's you know, it's a nice place to be.

But then when you combine it with really high octane discussions, it's it's it's a great event. We're going to keep going over here. Yeah, I'm excited about it. I'm definitely excited for like us to come out there and like, you know, set up a ton of interviews and stuff like that. It'd be a part of it to, um, so like if everybody wants to check it out, the link is in the description for the wife fish security summit. But that's, you know, general standing across the list here as like the keynote, you know, it's pretty big way, you know, it's a big wig.

Scott, what are you up to? You working with Lobo? Are you doing anything else? Like you tell me about yourself. Also, Scott, I have a question for you to come and ask you publicly. Yeah, John Hackett, he had a jump out real quick, because he had another, he had a BBC interview or something. He had a jump to. We've had John on the show on teamhouse. We've had Eric on the show. We've had Mick on the show. Once Scott Canino coming on the teamhouse, it's all about his career. Yeah, you just, you come to Montana sign up for one of our training events, so we can go, we can go. We can go and make them a mic. I'm going to go and everything I learned. Now, yeah, would love to have you guys up for the wife here's security summit.

“Or, you know, any other event. I think you guys have really benefit there's just as as old Eric mentioned. There's a lot of folks that'd be happy to sit down with me. You could do it. Really a best of show.”

I was fortunate enough a couple of years ago, Eric can make brought me on to kind of head up low of tactical. And the vision there is they were already running it was let's, you know, let's fill the holes that a lot of other training companies aren't doing. When our work fair is easy in Montana based on setting, but better than that, we have guys on staff, Eric, a lot of our mountain guides that have done this rule world. So we take, it's complimentary. We take the best of the tactical world. We take the best of the civilian recreational rule.

We marry those two up. So those are the instructors that are in front of students and you get the best lessons learned both from a recreational side, how to do conducting safely tactical side, you know, how do you keep yourself alive and remain deadly. So heading up low to tactical and really again, we're just trying to find those those training opportunities where we believe based off of our backgrounds and our network that are out there developing technologies like UAS and counter UAS. Get those in front of the guys and then really the entire training philosophy is is we're not just going to, you know, to dictate how you do business. It's come in and it's, let's focus on the why. What are you guys trying to do and let's work with you to understand what, how you develop these TTPs because again, you know, we're generally not training traditional small unit tactics.

We're employing these technologies, what we're doing in a winter environment, every unit has a different requirement, a different mission. So we just want to have the conversation with you help you develop these tactics and TTPs, but most importantly understand the why. Because eventually you're going to leave us, you're going to go do this real world. The environment, the battlegrounds going to change and you still need to get to the best in state, the best solution and you may not have us, you know, next to you to do it. So I want to facilitate the discussion. So everybody knows how to communicate how to be tough on one another and how to solve problems.

Yeah, sounds like I'm in, you know, if I was a copper or or a deal diga, you know, it does sound like super interesting and I want everyone to check it out those links for everything are in the description down below.

I mean, Nick and I really threw the eyes of two former child soldiers that had been involved heavily with the Lord's resistance army in Northern Uganda.

“So that was, you know, Darfur and there was this army that was made almost entirely of children 20 plus 20 plus thousand kids that had been weaponized and they were, they were, you know, extraordinarily lethal guerrilla fighters.”

After the eyes of two child soldiers that came out of the bush and then had started to help the Uganda government, you know, in ways that of not killing kids, but bringing drawing kids out of the bush to reintegrated to society, we saw how dark and how cancer is the art of child soldiering is. We decided to do something about it, we made a documentary that documentary then has led to a book, all the glimmering stars, it's for sale on Amazon and part of the proceeds of the book go towards a five one and see three we stood up which is called and child soldiering.

We are, we have work, we're centering what we're looking to do is we're looking to stand up basically a center of excellence in Uganda and what it'll do is there's no place on a planet that is, you know, it's a place for the trainers to come and get trained. If you train the trainers, right? I mean, it's, it's a military moniker that we adopt during the GWOT like, hey, train the trainer, they go back, it's an exponential return. So there's, there's no, nobody really doing that in the child soldiering realm.

And unfortunately, the child soldiering realm is growing, even just the other day, I ran just lower the age of, for military, mandatory service to 12.

Every single year, our aisle eyes are, are given a pass on the, you know, the funding of the use of child soldiers. I personally watched when. Desperate parents in Somalia had no more to pay their taxes to Al Shibob, they had no more camels, they had no more money, they had no more more cropped to give to Al Shibob. So they gave him kids. Great. So Al Shibob was taking the kids and turning them into an army, right? So yes, it's growing and it's growing across the planet. It isn't just something that happens in Somalia. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's across, it's growing, it's, you know, all the way down through, like Central and South America, the Philippines, Columbia, it's a library well. So we are, we are acting.

I'm in through and child soldiering. We're looking to stand up this center of excellence in Uganda. It will be the first train the trainer because that is the place we know has done the complete cycle. There are a number of retired recovered child soldiers there. They can walk the whole process through effectively to other people to come there for them to then go back and start to do that, where where they live, where they, where they have child soldier problems. At the website, if I remember correctly, he's N child soldiering.org. It is. That link is in the description. If anybody can, don't need a little bit of money to it. It's a righteous cause for sure.

You know, it's, you know, insane to really think about and like look at and see what's going on in the world with kids, like right, like kids aren't supposed to be fighting in wars.

Guys, incredible show. Scott, you'll think about it, right? The teamhouse.

“You can get it all think about it anyway. Yeah, because because I'm relatively relentless too, you know what I mean?”

Yeah, I'm trying to get a, or the whole Lobo, you know, whole Lobo, you know, the about us page. I want to get everybody. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because you have some of the credible people on that. I'm saying, if you had the advisors, that'll take you a while. There's a lot of them. Yeah. I know, that's the thing. I've been chasing Andy Hartzog for like a year, two years. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mom's to worry about Andy. It's been tough, but I will not relent.

Either I need to get it right for security, so he should just come on up. Yeah. No, but I like getting one on one because you guys can get a little bit more in depth, you know,

“come on. We don't want to. We don't want to like a quick 30 minute. We want to, you know, you guys hadn't seen careers. You should, you know, a lot of times should be a lot of for it. I think.”

Yeah, no worries. Cool. Scott's a think about it. Okay. All right. I'll check in again with you in like a couple months, don't worry. Guys, a pleasure. Really appreciate this.

Appreciate everything you're doing. Have a good. See you next time.

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