S2E21: Talk Tracks Season 2 Episode 10: Elizabeth Gilbert on Letters from Love: Is love conscious and what does it want us to know?

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I'm so excited to welcome the best-selling author of Lisbeth Gilbert back to our show. If you listen to season 2 episode 3 of The Tlepathy tapes, you heard author Lisbeth Gilbert among other brilliant creatives talk about the creative force and how it works with each of us. But creativity may not be the only force seeking to engage with us. There's another, and it wants us to know it, and that force is love.

Here's Lisbeth Gilbert talking about the first time the force of love spoke to her. This voice came to me and it was incredibly clear and it said, "Get out of that and get a

notebook and write to yourself the words that you have always wanted to hear somebody say to you,

just write it down to you." Though that was the first time Lisbeth Gilbert engaged with the universal force of love, it wasn't the last. Today we'll be talking to her about her practice letters from love that she's been using for over two decades to converse with the love in the universe. It's a force and a source that is incredibly consistent, that's non-judgmental, non-condemning,

non-controlling, deeply gentle, and incredibly present. The first time she wrote her own letter from love, the instructions were simple.

“What do you need to hear that's going to get you through this?”

And the first thing it said was I'm right here. I'm right here, which I now have tattooed of my chest because I think it's the most important thing. The act itself is simple. You sit down and write a letter to yourself from love.

And short, you're basically allowing a message from love to flow through you to you.

This isn't intuitive writing. You're downloading a message from the cosmos from your intuition, from your heart if unconditional love existed, what would it want you to know? Don't try to make this poetic. It actually doesn't work if you try to make it poetic. And even though this may seem like a simple act, it can have a profound impact. What we're doing here is that we are learning as a practice, how to write to ourselves,

and speak to ourselves from a place of kind, loving, simple, often humorous affection. Rather than speaking to us in the voice of an evil, cruel, monstrous enemy, which is what the interior voice of so many of us has been and still at times can be. What emerged 20 years ago from Lizus Darkest Moment has expanded to envelope a community of thousands, as more and more people have joined her in writing these letters from love on Substack.

And if you don't know what Substack is, it's an online platform which allows people to publish content

people to be vulnerable, at least it is so far. I share a letter from love every week that I've written to myself and we invite somebody to come risk doing this, to risk trying this. And then they write a letter and they read it and then there's a comment section where people can write their own letters from them and share them and people respond to each other and they've created friendship and community across that. Our little trademark is like kind of corner of the internet

and it's so far absolutely has been. And what's amazing is that as people from all walks of life wrote these letters, love had a similar message almost every time. There's nothing you can do to lose this love and there's nothing you can do to gain this love. Like you didn't earn it, you can't lose it. It's your innate birthright wherever your life takes you. I'm going to be there. We went through some of the recordings and the letters from love Substack and the consistency

in themes is striking. Here's just a few lines from various letters recorded by the people who wrote

them. I'm with you always. You know that. I'm always here without conditions. You already have it

because you are it. I have been here and here I will stay. And what's interesting is that much like creativity, love can engage and work with all of us but the two forces are very different. Later in the episode, we'll talk about how love and creativity act differently,

“treat us differently and want different things from us. Perhaps the most important take away,”

this is something we can all do. But that doesn't mean it's easy. And I know that from first-hand experience because back in October Liz asked me to write a letter from love and so I did. And it was one of the most vulnerable things I'd ever done. I wasn't entirely sure how I do it, but kind of like Liz is first letter. It just rushed through me. And this was months before a conversation today. And I had actually steered clear of reading or listening to any of the letters

to avoid being influenced because whatever love was going to say to me, if it said anything at all, I wanted there to be nothing in my subconscious regarding what others had been told. But when talking to Liz, I was surprised by the themes that appeared in my letter and others. The letters that Liz has curated come from every walk of life, intellectuals, atheists, people who consider themselves spiritual, some who don't, people who don't

consider themselves creative or writers, and some most remarkably, who've never experienced

tenderness or even unconditional love in their lives. And what kind of shock me about my letter is that it tended for how the non-physical world has gone through great lengths to demonstrate to me that I am unconditionally loved. And here's just a short excerpt from the middle of mine.

“I was there. That is the first thing. That is the last thing. That is the only thing you've ever”

needed to know. I was there when you sat beside your dying aunt, begging her to speak. I gathered what remained of her and pushed it forward with all her might, so she could press final words into your ear. It was a garbled triumph of sound. You did not understand the words, but thank you for telling her you did. I stayed with you through the years, as you replayed those jumble sounds again and again listening with your mind trying to solve them. And then one night, when you finally

listen with your heart, they arrived whole. Take care of your mother. That was me. Not late, or even unclear, just patient enough to wait for the part of you that could hear them rightly. So Liz, maybe just take us back to what was going on in your life when this voice first came to you. I was in the darkest time of my life when I was around 30, 31 years old, and I was going through my first but not last divorce. And I didn't have any tools of life yet. I didn't know myself.

I knew shame. I knew how to be humiliated. I knew how to hide. I didn't know any concept of divinity. Certainly, I did not know how to be kind to myself. So you hear this voice, the tells you

“you need to write a letter, and I love that you were just like, okay, and you pick up your pen,”

and then what happened? I wrote, I'd need you. And in response, I wrote, I'm right here, and I'm with you. How many start that way? That's where mine started. Most of them start that way. Like, I've now read thousands of these, and it's rare that it doesn't start with either I'm right here or we know right here. It sometimes comes in first, first and plural, sometimes comes in first, person singular, but the very first thing is this deep reassurance that you are not alone. And that you haven't

never been alone. And night also said very similar to yours. I was with you at the moment,

I'd be the birth, and I'll be with you at the moment of your death. There's never been a moment that I haven't been here. Wow. So beautiful. And it's kind of curious, right? That this reassurance is almost ubiquitously the first thing love has us know. Why do you think that is? I think this speaks to our deepest fundamental fear of like working out to the void of the persigual universe, and being like, there's nothing better. There's that tremendous existential angst. And then

the letter went on to say, I don't need anything from you. I don't need you to be successful. I don't

And love was like, I don't know need for you to be any different than what you are right now.

Nothing about you needs to change. And if you never get well, and you're this depressed and

miserable for the rest of your life, don't worry. It's okay. And just for those who may not know much about your books or background, two of my favorite books of yours are Eat Pray Love and Big Magic, but your books can get pretty personal. And you've been through a ton, you know, divorce and addiction and death of a partner. My life has been like many of our lives. Your needs have great joy, your needs have great sorrow of seasons of loss, seasons of success,

seasons of fear, seasons of confidence. It's changeable. It's mutable. People die. Another divorce happened. Sickness happens. Like all of the drama of life happens. And this steadily beating source that says, I'm right here. You're not alone. I'm not going anywhere.

And I don't need you to change is constant. I've had hard times, but I've never dipped

again to the level that I was in at that moment because that voice is always there. So now, knowing that you do this almost every day, I mean, are the letters the same? Are they short, like a post that note now? Like do they change a bit? You know, does love give you a little variety? They've changed over the years where they're no more instructive. The first decade and a

“half. My love hunger, my door-left sense of being alone. That sense was so deep that I think that”

that source just needed to spend a decade and a half for you showing me that there was nothing it had to do. Like you can fail at another marriage and I love you. You can lose these relationships and I love you. You can have disastrous things going on in your family that you don't know how to deal with them and I'll love you. I needed so much convincing because that message is

exactly the opposite of what I had always been led to believe that my merit of being loved was

based on how much I could produce, how successful I could be, how lovable. I could be in human terms. It's in the last 10 years. It's like, you know how loved you are. I've got some work for you to do. Here's where I want your attention. Here's who I want you to be serving. Here's what I don't want you to be doing. Before it was telling me you don't have to do anything. I just love you. And now it's like, I do love you and there's a couple things I need to do. What are some other things?

Like I'm curious about love's directions. Sometimes it's about what I'm not supposed to be doing more than what I'm supposed to be doing which is harder. Sometimes it's just a redirection of attention. Like I don't want your attention on this. I want your attention on that. I want you to teach people how to do this practice or sometimes it's very specific. Call this person and check on them. Go to this person's house and see if there are a lot of the direction is about the releasing of

control or the illusion of control. And of course letting go of control is letting go of something you never had and you don't even need to understand it. I need you to back off because you're anxiety about this thing that you have no power over or you're anxiety about this person or group of people

“that you have no power over is draining vital and crucial energy that could be used very well elsewhere.”

So interesting one of the other messages we hear a lot about is surrender and we hear this tremendous relief from people when they are invited into surrender. Everyone is so stressed and everyone is so tense and that's from trying to control what we can't control. So okay that's kind of cool. So love can direct you it sounds like. The directions are more intimate than global and for my big old grandiose ego that wants to be a world changer that's very humbling. Somebody in the letters

from love, love said to them you are loved beyond measure by forces that are given you control over practically nothing but the little teeny tiny that you do have control over so important that you shop for and if you're expanding yourself on things that you can't do anything about then you're not going to be able to help where we actually need you. So it's very humbling. I mean what a beautiful thing and I guess as a writer have these letters influenced any of

your work. My last book it was in direct instruction to write even though it was uncomfortable it was like we need you to write this we need you to tell the truth for the many people out there who aren't writers and may not even consider themselves you know really creative and this task seems daunting. What do you say to them? What would be your advice? That's a big obstacle for people they're like I'm not a writer and I'm like the most beautiful letters I've got in

from our deaths are from people who are not writers because of very simple unwriterly messages trying to come through you and they're just downloading the message without any obstacle. Have there been any surprises in the letters from love where you've been like wow this person was not tuning in a love you know or do everyone seem to be able to tune in and

“receive it. Nothing I have read doesn't sound like love to me. That's what is so wild about it.”

People doing this for the very first time which is every single week a couple people will drop in and say you don't even know if I believe in it it feels really weird I'm feeling super

like that's identical to the messages that I've been receiving the same themes run through

you don't need to understand there's more going on here than you can see you have no idea how

“love to you are stop doing so much stop trying so hard which I think the whole world could use”

as guidance right now I just want to share a few clips from guests that you've invited to read their letters from love you're striving meant nothing to love you're being meant everything what I really want you to know is that you're already so loved you don't have to work so hard to push so hard to perform so hard for it the worry I got you not because you deserve mine to you deserve it has nothing to do with it it really is remarkable because if you were

to tell someone even to write a letter from God that could be an angry god or jealous god of the God or could be multiple like it's not the same or if you were to tell someone to write a letter

from earth you don't know what to do and I bet they'd all be a little bit different and I always

think what's real kind of resonates right like you can feel it like with your cord and the fact that everyone knows what a letter from love is or how to do it or comes out the right way must mean it's just so tuned to who we are that it's not difficult to get there something that I found really interesting when I started doing this is I would say to that source to that voice are you God and the answer came back no we are love and I'm like well I don't get the difference

and they're like I'm part of God but God is much more than just this love isn't actual thing an unconditional love specifically is an actual thing so are there times when love maybe you know has surprised you or tells you you know no I'm not that or I'm not going to do that there have been times where I've almost I'm trying to do divination like I've asked that voice to tell me what's going to happen if I'm in a really scared situation and it has sad we don't know the

future that's not our department we're just here we just love you and you ever get frustrated by

“what love says to you I remember and a very dark time in my life saying if you can't fix it”

and you can't change it and you can't tell me what's going to happen or make it go away what you sorry you and the response was we are company for you in the darkest moments of your life and if you don't think that's vital just trying being in the darkest moments of your life alone wow yeah dang that lands so it sounds like this is kind of you know deeply changed your approach to navigating good and bad times which sounds right but it has been a difference one of the

things that is really taught me is having received all of that unconditional love I now and much better at just sitting with people who are in pain without trying to fix it knowing sometimes love just needs to be in the room and that presence is enough and nothing needs to be changed because it can't be that's part of it too what's happening cannot be changed and the presence of love changes what cannot be changed into something that can be accepted oh okay wait I just need to

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deeply uncomfortable for them but i'm fascinated by how difficult to just get men to do this they're i have been a number of men that i was very surprised when do it and then there's been a number of men who said they would do it and then dailed it's so hard for them yeah i mean it's so important because i'm raising a little boy and he's so full of love and he's so thoughtful and everything about him is just as like vulnerable sweetness and i look out into the world and

hear about you know the epidemic of male loneliness and that men are more likely to isolate and have a harder time reaching out to people and fewer people to reach out to and account for 80%

“of suicide and i mean i think about him all the time like how do i keep that vulnerability”

alive in you right because i feel like it's the fear of being vulnerable that makes people not want to connect or reach out in a way is interesting because you would think that women have a lower sense of self-worth but i think women are much more open to the concept of love and one

person who is somebody like deeply admire and it's an incredible compassionate man who does great

work on compassion in the public sphere i asked him to do it and he wrote back and he said i'm not going to do this because i know what love is going to say one is going to say something to me along the lines of your perfect way you are and i don't want to hear that because i don't want to lose the fire of momentum that i need to try to constantly do better and i was like that is a wild response and also i don't know what love would say to you like you don't even want to ask and find out

interesting you can still be ambitious if you're loved you can still be driven to better

“yours yeah i think there's a fear of being a sucker or being credulous or being woo woo or being”

seen as any of those things because this is unprovable yeah i mean this is something we think through and wrestle with in the 12th of the days all the time you know this concept of not wanting to be tricked or be made a fool but also making space for and being open to exploring things that we simply don't know are not true one of the things that people often say is how do i know this is the spirit of unconditional love and not just me talking to me and my answer to that is you don't

and can't know i've made a decision to believe that this is a force and a source that is speaking through me and to me but when i started doing this 20 years ago it was purely an act of life saving imagination where the assignment was and imagined if there was such a thing as unconditional love and if unconditional love had a voice what would it want me to know today and then write that

so it's an act of creative imagination before it becomes an act of faith and it may never

become an act of faith and may just be an act of creative imagination where you're just wondering what would unconditional love say and you write it and my feeling is doesn't matter if it's only my imagination thank you imagination thank you for saving me from despair because my despairing thoughts are also my only my imagination so it's a question of like which aspect of my mind am i going to listen to the one telling me that i'm dear or the one telling me that i'm

loved no matter what and i'm choosing to turn the dial that way but i actually believe that it's coming from outside what i would call myself to me yeah and sometimes these things that we feel so deeply can't necessarily be proven with the scientific method or at least not now but that doesn't necessarily make them any less real and the upcoming telepathy tapes film we really go through like humanity has lived through multiple paradigms things that's he's so real and so true

change and then suddenly they're not true or things that can't be true the changes and suddenly they are

“so anyway i think about the fact that every single person is more or less understanding exactly”

what love is that's the thing now that i've been reading these letters for two and a half years and i've come to know a lot of people in the community not only are there people writing these letters

who have never experienced it there are people writing these letters who have experienced quite the

unthinkable catastrophes right now this is not some light-hearted thing and the fact that

somebody who has never experienced even a semi-lacrum of unconditional love can generate it

either through imagination or a download is absolutely incredible to me like people who had parents who were putting cigarettes out on them are able to write to themselves from this place that is so tier-inducingly tender like people never known tenderness so in cases like this where the feeling of concept of you know tenderness and love might be so foreign or far away you know are there any tips for getting started one of the clues that we give people to learn how to

do this is start the letter from live to yourself within affectionate nickname with something that's a very dear honorific like mine is always honey had there's somebody in our community love always calls are penguin cheeks and like these sweet little like bundled rock and that's something

“the men have trouble with too but i think about quote my dad always used to say the much love”

child has many nicknames right like we do this with our pets automatically anybody who's

got a pet that they love has a 90 different names for their pet there's something so literally endearing about an endearment even if it's just like my child which is how a lot of these begin my child my precious one my gem if you knew your preciousness would make you cry if you knew how much we love you that's so there's that plural again we and i love it it's like who's the week is that some consortium of angels or spirits are like what are we talking about here like who's

who's who's behind this i don't know either but it's certainly felt like a very real presence and whether it was from me or not from me didn't really matter how was it for you i mean so different from any experience i've ever had it was very vulnerable you know i like to be very private you know and like the telephony tapes had social media post all the time but i post very rarely i don't like to go on the internet i don't like people to know too much about my life

and so this felt like a prayer you know because for me i do think like love and this kind of sense of god are connected even though god probably created love right and love is like a component it felt like letting people into the most like vulnerable moments of your life and i didn't know actually how to sit down and write it so i just thought well it'll come to me when it does and it was awesome because it was like four in the morning one morning and it just looked and i wrote the whole thing

in my notes app you know on my phone there's a messy stream of consciousness but i remember when i woke up that day i felt so happy oh and everything in the world felt glittery and i wasn't stressed and i wasn't nervous i just felt like everything grounded itself around me and it was the happiest i felt in a long time wow and i realized i need to focus this and i think you don't often go back and look at like very vulnerable moments that happened for you and who with there

and often it's no one but love was for me it was really this realization that love has

manifested itself for me in many ways sometimes to help me understand it's always there and i

“don't think love has to do that i don't think i think it is just there right but that's what”

inside of me you want me to know is like there's like magic if you want to call that it's also tied with love this unseen world is tight with love that's the substrate of everything so it was beautiful but then when i had to actually record it and put it out there it felt like okay well this feels really really really vulnerable but i think that vulnerability is good right that's the the doorway to connection a hundred percent and i'm so glad you mentioned the unseen world

because we also pick a theme sometimes and like our original product is the one i've used forever which is just dear love what would you have me know but then depending on what the letter is of the special guest sometimes there's an inspiration for a more specific question and so with the yours we asked people go ahead and ask the spirit of unconditional love what it would have you know that the unseen world and those were the most beautiful and interesting letters we've

ever gotten including this repeated message that came through hundreds of times in different people all of the world saying the unseen world is more real than what you call the real world i actually

“hadn't gone back to look and then my producer Selena was like you should and so i went through”

that week's letters and you're right there are hundreds and i'm just gonna read a few of these excerpts dear one the unseen is almost all there is here's another one the unseen world holds the truest truths the universal thread of life that tethers you to all other beings in the universe here's another the unseen world my inspiration is everything that makes the scene world possible there's another the unseen world is limitless borderless non-discriminatory and open 24/7

everything you see is the visible evidence of the unseen me love everything everything

everything i mean it was so beautiful to read through these and the many of letters that reflect the themes you know that works for our show that the unseen is more real you know and the parking back to season two it's what's so many people that come back from a near-death experience say it's like it's like it's okay but it's like you're in the dream but this is the reality right and what we're trying to get you to is to awaken out of your dream into the reality

of those love in the magic that is the real thing yeah and as we discuss and season two episode

“three on creativity and how it engages with us when you download creatively i think for those of”

us who've experienced it it's very real and many times it's definitely not from you and i guess that's my big question for you and there's no one better to answer this question than you does the download from creativity come from the same place as the download from love like the creative muse that is very much out there that we explore deeply in that episode working with us is that the same force is love you know that seems deeply of a consciousness and will of its own

is it coming from the same place as love like are they the same invisible entity nope love has a specific fingerprint creativity can be good demanding it can be bossy it can be elusive it can be playful it can be all sorts of things love is very straightforward and it's absolutely demand the voice of love relaxes us more than anything else does because it answers our biggest fundamental fear that i think we all have which is am i worthy of my existence

am i a waste of breath am i a waste of genetic material has my life been meaningless am i enough of anything do i deserve to be here do i want to be here these are ancient crippling questions and they think that love comes from a very different place and can creativity love doesn't care it looks like i don't care if you do that or not i don't care like

“creativity is insistent it's like you must make this work and loves like you know you can do it or”

not do it you know yeah interesting so many of these things seem to come from a similar place and maybe it's just a nontical world something you know we're swimming in so much that we don't mean no exists right like a strange one no it's in an ocean but they are different so i'm glad that you're kind of called that out one thing that was interesting for me that i think is the most

actually weirdly tender when i think about outside of the sentiment of your love always never alone

was when going through these moments of what i was feeling love wanted me to know i felt for the first time like i was back there like i was able to be with the young version of myself it felt like time travel in this beautiful way where these deep moments where you felt so scared or crippled or angry or frustrated or desperate and they're so significant because of the

“moments that dot your life that's creates who you are it's your character but some of you”

think about and reflect on it but writing a letter from love i felt as though i could see myself like wrapped up on a blanket on the couch as though love was this presence in the room loving me cradly me looking at me comforting me and in doing that i was able to be back in that room and there's something so sweet about being back in my childhood house and really feeling it because it's like my parents are divorced now that house is gone my brothers are in different

state you know it's just like all that stuff is just crashed into the almost like devastation of growing up where they're shards through their used to do something at least whole imperfect at least for a little bit or that cradle home that felt loving and safe or that living room couch where you would curl up under the blanket that your parents and your brothers use whatever it is like you forget how tactile and safe that can feel for me it felt safe and i was

transported back there and that was the greatest gift of all it's so sweet what's coming to mind is I'm hearing the voice of the great meditation teacher byron kady who i've seen work with people on dismantling their most stressful beliefs and when they arrive at this place where

that belief dissolves there's this warmth that they stepped into and she always says welcome home

welcome home honey welcome home to love the rage that they were feeling about somebody that they were able to let go of like welcome home to your true nature like welcome home to where you're really from and in your case it was this home coming that was literally all and also emotional like welcome home to the home you grew up in and welcome home to your true nature which is up love yeah i mean

and operating from love and grace and forgiveness which i think are all parts of love all the time

“that's no easy feat and i know you have done a lot of research on their death experiences”

but they blindly come and experience and people have at that moment of death and the home coming like welcome home and the enormous waves of absolutely unbreakable love or the reunion with people who hurt you and harm you or who you hurt and harmed and the home coming back to love which we can't all figure out how to do in this plane British Australian writer coming neck of a pill in her letter from love so reassuring love was like we don't at all expect you

to be able to operate from this place in this plane you can try and certainly it's worth trying to be this loving but you are not unconditional love that's our job here's an excerpt from a letter from love written by Kenny you can't give love to everybody equally because that is not your job it is mine i am bigger and more expensive than you'll ever be i have infinity on my side you don't you are not limitless but i am give what love you can

and know that i will fill the places that you can't you are human let that be enough you have your role i have mine wow and that's such a free message to hear right you know i'll share this and this is something i also see in the thousands of letters that i've read now is that same message coming through of love saying you have no idea how little control you hell over this you can be very hurt by people and you can need to separate from them to preserve

yourself and we understand that we're not asking you to stay in a abusive situation so we don't expect you to be universally forgetting like we know how hard it is like we're not expecting you to be at this level while you're down there or in that you know in that video game that you're in playing out the karmic dramas and these tremendous conundrums and predicaments that you find yourself in and these wounds and these ways of hurting each other like we're with all of you

and those people who you can't love we love them so don't worry i love that i mean what are we what are we what are we leave yeah what are we leave because i can't i mean i try as hard as anyone i know to be universally loving and i fail all the time at it and they're like

it's good we see we know we know it's really something and i you know people always say that

like a dog's life right like what a joy you just we really live in the moment and pretty much

“all you feel i think is unconditional love or fear like the most basic things and that i think”

there's a lot more going on with our pets and animals in general but we if you think back to being a child and i hope that most people have one moment before they became a type-a personality were you just were happy you could just lay down and feel happy just for a moment without playing the future i had a schedule i mean you think about being nine i mean it was at least hopefully carefree in the sense that you weren't having to think out your life and yeah i mean i

think those are the moments where you are able to feel that way if you feel fundamentally safe and loft right and i guess when i think back what that letter did it made me revisit those moments where i felt fundamentally safe and loved because i don't feel that way when i wake up every day but doing this allowed me to feel that way again you know one thing that Margaret who i did this is with me who's one of my oldest friends and we did this together one thing that she noticed

is that people tend to respond to the letter from love that they receive with either a sense of oh i remember this feeling from childhood this is what it felt like to be free this is what it felt like to do joyous this is what it felt like to be light or it's people like me who are

like i never for a minute have felt that in childhood i've been looking for this my whole life

like there it is and i've been trying to find it in all sorts of different people places and things and it hasn't been working but here it is so you can either experience it as reminding you of what you remember or for the first time introducing you to something where you're like i knew it existed

“i knew there was something more than this and i think that feels very inclusive to me”

that this can work whether you have been loved and you have known peace or whether you have not and don't yeah if you will want to try this for the first time how would you walk them through this what would you tell them to do i would tell them to start with it and instead of trying to be a mystic who's downloading a spirit to be an imaginator who's making something up don't try to hear love try to generate it because people do get frustrated where they're like i'm not hearing

it i'm not hearing it i'm like i'm here for a long time either i made it up you know i made it up

i know i'm hearing something that feels like it's outside of me so now how do you sort of tap into it you know do you have any tips my first guidance would be opening up the channel by reading something

or listening to something that feels to you like true love i always think of the great poets

so Mary Oliver works for me because her work is so infused with love half these rooming Walt Whitman when i read those those are like my great saints they had access to this thing

“and i think part of their generosity and part of their loving service as artists was that when”

they died they left the door up and behind them through their words so you can enter and through their words so enter into that space through the words of somebody who opens your heart for you and then once you're in that space once you've read that poem then you just write the question and i know this is the hardest thing in the entire world for our monkey minds but truly do not overthink it this is it another reason why writers have so much trouble doing this you

write dear love what would you have me now and then imagine if there was a spirit of unconditional love

and it loved you without any reservation completely personally and intimately what does it want you to know today about like the moment you're in in your life or write this moment and then write that down that's it and then if you want you can come to our community and post it and we will love you up but you certainly don't have to share it can i did this for a decade and a half without sharing anything a bit with anybody i love the idea of just doing it all the time still

“you know because that like to me is like okay did it once but i think there's always more to know”

only it's so much a lot of kind yeah i need it every single day because i'm scared every single day i wake up scared i wake up most days feeling like i got shout out of the cannon with this pressing ceiling of they're not doing enough time or resources i wake up into red for the state of the world i wake up in shame for my slow years i wake up in fear about my relationship and what's going to happen to the people play lots like all of this needs to be baked in love for me to be

able to function and without that i'm just in neat puppet walking around trying to make things work so i need to start the day like i'm deeply reassuring message of trust us whatever happens it's going to be okay because of love it doesn't necessarily make you get what you want but it makes you be able to live in what you get yeah i think that's beautiful for anybody who thinks this is like light work and i don't mean light work like a light worker i mean like meaningless insignificant like

the world is burning are we really gonna sit here telling ourselves that we love ourselves aren't

there much more pressing things there's a famous story about the first time the Dalai Lama came

to the west he met with a group of intellectuals and teachers and philosophers and in that room was a young Sharon Salzburg then wonderful meditation teacher and teacher of compassion and she asked the Dalai Lama what is the traditional Tibetan remedy for self-hatred and the Dalai Lama was so bewildered by the question that he had to talk to a translator for like 15 or 20 minutes he kept asking her to repeat it because he literally kept things he was mishearing who is the

enemy that you're struggling with that who is the person that you hate that you're feeling these people feeling support and they'd be like me i am i am the person who i need and he was like that doesn't make any sense but you are you you are yourself and you need yourself and he said do you all have this this sense of that you are your own enemy of self hatred and every single person who was like yeah duh and he was horrified he said later there were two things that

shocked him the most about coming to the die state and one was the rampant consumerism and the other was the deed self hatred and if you don't think those two things are the same thing you're not paying attention this is why this is so important it doesn't make any sense that you would do your own enemy there's just no sense of that in traditional Tibetan culture and then he was like you need to learn how to talk to yourself the way your mother talked to you and

then all these people who were like no no he's like wait what and then he found out like what a lot of mothers are like in our culture and he was like okay grandmother like how far back do we have to go was there ever anybody in your life who spoke to you with tenderness and for a lot of people the answers no that's where we have to begin but for some people you've got to look really hard to find where anyone ever held them and said you are innately precious

“without having to do anything to earn it so that's why I think this is deeply deeply important”

because self hatred leads people to do all sorts of things that are incredibly damaging non-related themselves but to others yeah I also believe something is happening right now in this moment people have talked about that end of the age of the guru you can download this yourself like you don't need to go to a medium you can do this you have access to all of this and more and more people I think are awakening to that and hearing and seeing things that

improve your generations where maybe it's like folder suffocated it's something's going on the veil is getting thinner I love it you said that will leave an age of the guru it's been

unseen world and if you do it on your own you are which or worse that's a good thing even to

“and with too is that this is democratic I do believe that you can all access this well thank you”

so much Liz you are just the most delightful charming person to speak with every time

I'm just so grateful for you sharing this practice with the world with our audience and I

“really encourage all of you to do it please try it just once just sit down write your mind pick up a pen”

and ask love what it wants you to know and then let us know too so thank you all we'll see you next week and again Liz I just adore you you're a joy thank you hey I'm hugging you that's it for this episode of the talk tracks but new episodes will be released every Wednesday so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads even the veiled ones that knit together are reality

“and please remember to stay kind stay curious and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind”

thank you to my amazing collaborators producers Katherine Ellis and Selena Kennedy

technical directing audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole opening and closing music by Liz with PW and original logo and cover up by Ben Condor Design I'm Kai Dickens your executive producer writer and host