S2E33: Trapped Inside a Brilliant Mind | Talk Tracks

Dr. Robert Belilo. A clinician, researcher, and brain specialist who has spent decades studying

“autism, developmental neuroscience, and non-speaking individuals. In this conversation Dr.”

Belilo shares his theories about hemispheric imbalance, body awareness, motor control, giftedness, and why some non-speakers may struggle to access speech, despite understanding far more than people realize. This episode raises fascinating questions about intelligence, embodiment, communication, and what it really means to be present inside a mind that the world may fundamentally misunderstand. Hi everyone. I'm Kiddickens and welcome to the talk tracks.

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our understanding of reality. Science, spirituality, consciousness, and yes. Even unexplained phenomena,

like side abilities, we examine the mysteries that sit just beyond the edge of what science can currently explain alongside researchers, thinkers, families, and experiences. If you haven't yet

“listened to the telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything”

that will be exploring, because every era has ideas once dismissed as impossible, until someone was willing to investigate them seriously. And on this show, we do just that. Thank you for being here, Dr. Volilo. I'd love to have you start by introducing yourself and giving us a bit of your background. Hi, I'm Dr. Robert Milillo and I've been a clinician

and a researcher, brain researcher, primarily for the better part of 35 years. One of my main areas

of research is really looking at autism and especially non-speaking autism. I have a specialty in neurology and rehabilitation, but I also have a degree in clinical rehabilitation neuropsychology, also have a PhD in developmental cognitive neuroscience and understanding human brain development is one of my main areas and the neuroscience around it. I've been teaching a clinical professor for about 25, 30 years. I developed a company called Brain Balance Achievement Centers where we

had 150 centers around the country. These are learning centers that are geared towards kids with different types of learning or behavioral challenges. Written over 100 scientific papers and I have eight best-selling books disconnected. Kids is the biggest selling book which is translating to 18 languages and it's one of the best-selling books in that genre of all time. And what's that book about? It's about understanding for parents what is actually happening in their child's

brain and that's really where it starts for me and you know, you give someone a diagnosis,

“what does that mean? What is actually happening in their brain? How does it get that way?”

And what can we do to maybe optimize that in one way or the other? So in the case of non-speaking individuals, which is, you know, kind of like the focus of season one of our podcast, what exactly is going on there from a mind-body perspective? So based on our research and we've done a lot of research into this, what we're seeing is that autism in general, the whole spectrum is really related to individuals that are genetically their traits are gifted towards more left hemisphere dominant

skills. We know that families of kids with autism, you see much higher incidents of physicists, mathematicians, engineers. We also know that doctors, lawyers and especially software engineers anywhere in the world where there's a cluster of people in the IT industry. You see a dramatic increase in autism around there was Silicon Valley having by far the most. And one of my areas of research is trying to understand and create a universal model of autism that understands every point on the

spectrum from a child or an adult that might have been referred to as Asperger's or is very highly functioning and super bright and articulate, but may struggle socially or with some emotional regulation on the other end to someone who can't speak, can't regulate their body as no control. All of them are related to more of a right hemisphere developmental delay with a left hemisphere overactivity and to the degree of this imbalance is the degree of their functionality. And what we

see is that the lack of language, this has been one of the things that I've spent my career trying to understand is why with individual and the autism spectrum, what is literally preventing them from speaking. No one's ever really answered that to be honest and I've spent a lot of my time on that research. A lot of people assume there's a problem in the left brain which it with areas that we call like broke his area for expressive language or warranties for receptives. But we know that

they may be hyper-lexic. They can read early. I have one kid from England that could read at seven

“months. No one should be able to read at seven months, right? So typically in child development and”

human brain development, the right brain takes the lead in development for the first three years.

And that's where we connect with our body. We develop sensations like what we call interoception and proprioception. And we build a map of our body in our brain and then we develop a map of how to move our body. And the largest part of that map is really the face to tongue the mouth and the lips for verbal and non-verbal expression. We develop social, emotional intelligence. We get emotional regulation. We're able to control our body in our movements. And then the

left brain comes on after the first three years. And then that's where we start forming conscious memories. We start to be more logical linear. We start to learn words and numbers and letters. And we start to memorize facts. And it's very sequential. And it's more motor-driven. And it's more aggressive. And it's more gold-directed. And so that sequence of how that happens is very important. The degree of difference between the right and left brain is what makes the human brain

motionic. And in individuals that are unusually strong and gifted on one side, especially the left, that left brain can come online too early. And it can kind of shut down the right brain. And that's where we see that regressive autism. And when they lose connection to their body, they lose any sort of sense of self or map. And that is what prevents them from speaking. Even though all the words are there and they know everything. And that to me is what we're looking at.

And the more unbalanced it is, the more severely impaired they are, but the more gifted they may be. Yeah, it's so interesting. And a lot of specialists that we've interviewed have said that non-speaking

“individuals can't talk because it's a fine motor skill. Is that true for the most part?”

Yes, and no. Meaning that a lot of people have the idea that it's a proxy, which means that they can't move and they're having trouble with motor planning. Motor planning is actually a left-brain skill. That is the same area where we see stemming and ticks and hyperactivity come from. So we know that those areas are actually overactive in autistic individuals. But again, there are these things called humongu-la. There are these maps, these 3D distorted maps that we build in our brain as we're

developing and moving through the world. And I give an example, one kid who was actually on the

first season of these telepathy tapes. When asked why he couldn't speak, he said, "I don't see my

body in the brain in my brain and so then I can't move my body." Other kids will tell us that they literally don't feel their tongue, they don't feel their mouth, they don't know where their body is in space. So the primary problem really is a century problem with interoception and proprioception. When he says "interoception," he's referring to someone's internal state, which helps with self-regulation. Or things like body temperature and hunger, proprioception refers to our body's interaction

with the outside world, our position, balance, and the ability to sense our bodies in space. Often, this is thrown off for non-speakers. We form two maps. First, we form a centri map and the right brain forms a whole map of the whole body. So we become a whole person and we become in body and we become self-aware in the right brain. And then once we develop this centri map, then we develop a motor map of how to move that part of our body. And the largest part of the

map is again the face to mouth, the tongue and the lips. And then the next large is the arm in the, so 60% or more of the map that we have in our brain is looking at our mouth and our face and our tongue for verbal and non-verbal communication, speaking, showing facial expression, and reading facial expression and then it's pointing or typing or writing. And these kids are so disconnected and they don't form these maps that they don't feel that. They don't know where

“their arm is. That's why we may have to touch them for them to be able to spell, which is where”

a lot of the controversy comes from. And then where do you stand on typing to communicate? You know, what have you seen in that department that makes you feel like it's either valid or not valid. So it was spelling one of the things that in our research looking at why they need to be touched a lot of the controversy is people are saying, well, you're only touching them because you're guiding them. And I understand how it looks. And that's the way I thought about it

when I first saw it. But then someone explained to me that, but not really guiding them,

makes sense to me because you're touching them. One of the things I looked into where people that

had strokes in the right brain in the right parietal area where we developed these maps. And they get what's called Hemingeglex syndrome where they don't know that this is their side of the body or they may not see this whole side of the world. They may draw a drawing of a clock and they only draw the right side of the clock and they don't realize that. And some may even have what's called alien hand syndrome where they're like, who's arm is this? And they're

like somebody else's arm, it's not mine. Or you ask them who's arm this is and they say, I don't

“know. But if you touch them, they all of a sudden may know, oh, that's my arm. And that's what I think”

is going on because when you touch them, they don't have these maps, these humonguely in the brain. And especially the arm in the is like one third of the whole map. And when you touch them, all of a sudden their brain sees it. And now they know, oh, there's my arm. And now they can move it

because now they can see it. And they can always move it. That's why it's not a primary dyspraxia.

It's primarily that they couldn't see it. And once they see it, and they can move it, now they can actually show you what they know. And that's where the spelling part comes into play. Yeah. I mean, it's it's beautiful. Actually, it's like you need the connection of someone else to be able to fully function. And we all do, right? I mean, we really all do, but not to this degree physically, I think, for the most part. Yeah. And that's why, you know, a lot of spelling techniques,

they refuse to touch them. And the child would go years without really being able to spell. And if you just touch them, they would be able to spell. Even sometimes, if you just touch them on the shoulder, when they are eventually able to spell, would you say it is because of the repetition of touch. Like, if you signaled enough times to an apraxic brain that this is part of their body, you know, do they begin to acclimate to that concept and thus control their body more?

Yeah. I think that may be part of it. I think, you know, the brain is plastic. But the thing is, like what we do, and again, I learned this from kids that were spelling, that spelling is more of a right hand left brain thing, right? Because you're spelling and the left brain is what spells. They're using their right hand most of the time, which is the left brain. They're speaking to them from the right side, which into their right ear and usually using their right visual field,

all of it goes to the left brain. The left brain is overactive. And when it's overactive,

“that's what's caused is stimming and ticks and hyperactivity and OCD and maybe anger outbursts.”

So I had one kid that told me that I love spelling, but when I do it, it overstimulates my left brain. So we said, is there a way we can balance this? So we started using the left hand sitting on the left side, speaking in their left ear from the left visual field. And now they don't get overstimulated and it actually can access their emotions and it's activating the right brain at the same time. So what we need to do is build up that area of the brain where they feel their

body and connect to their body. This area called the insula and then the parietal lobe and the

anterior is singular, which makes them self-aware. So our goal is always to get the person to speak.

And this is what they say. They spell all the time. Please help me speak. And I had one kid actually who was very, who was clearly telepathic and worked with somebody who was on this show was very well-known and I know it was a real thing and he was saying, "Please help me speak." And I said, "If we help you speak, what happens if you lose your ability to read telepathically?" And he said, "I would give that up if I could speak." And I said, "Okay, you know, but our goal and we do get many of them

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they always tell us that this was me all along. I mean a lot of the controversy is if you're touching

them at all that you're influencing them or that you're moving the board to influence them. But they confirm that that's not the case. I just had a mom last week from Mexico who boy was about six years old with autism. They didn't believe he knew anything. Not only did he start spelling and answering questions, but he was doing it in English and they thought he only knew Spanish. And we see many of these kids. They know five languages. But if you can't express it verbally

and if you can't point and you can't control your body because it's always constantly stemming, how are you going to show what you know? And part of the reason why this happens is because they're so brilliant with their left brain and it comes online too early and many people even know they

“understand everything but they can't speak. Now if they understand everything, why can't they speak?”

It's not a left brain issue. It's not just purely a motor issue. It's primarily a century perception that then influences the motor. You can't move your body if you don't know where it is. You're saying the biggest challenge or issue with the praxic non-speaking population is just that they can't really even feel where this part of their body, like the mouth, part of their body is to make it move or function. Yes, and this is what they tell us, by the way. I asked the non-speaking

come to us. One of the first questions I asked them is why can't you speak? Nobody ever asked them

that, but if you ask them that they'll tell you and they always say that it's I don't feel my

body, I didn't know I had a body, I don't know where it is or I don't feel my tongue in my mouth

“and that's what they say virtually every time. I can't move it but mainly because I can't feel it.”

I just think it's such an important point because it's very easy to stigmatize someone who's just not speaking and moving their body uncontrollably and historically people will just say, oh, they don't have any intelligence and what you're saying is actually the complete opposite, which is also what many non-speakers say. You're right, is that they understand everything and non-speaking does not mean non-intelligent. Not at all and that's one of the my missions in life is to go out

and prove that and we've done the research on this as well and I understand the neuroscience

under this, I had eight-year-old from New Zealand who had never spoken a word and I was working with

his mom virtually and she was teaching him how to spell. Soon as he started spelling he started saying I want to be a physicist and he started throwing out these words, these big words that she didn't understand what they were but she realized they were physics terms and she asked him to define it and he would then define it in really detailed terms to where she couldn't even understand it. So she went to her friend who was a physics professor and she said can you read this word and tell

me what this definition is if it's right and he looked at it and he said yeah this is very accurate this is a very good description of this word and he said why you're asking me and she said because this is my eight-year-old non-speaking autistic kid and he said that's impossible no child would know this word nobody would know that only a physicist would and she said well I didn't write it, you know he wrote it and he defined it I didn't even know what the definition meant so you know

“these are the things these kids are remarkable I think in that same vein that level of having”

the super advanced left brain skills I think at a certain level may also lead to the ability of telepathy. Okay and I was going to ask you that because I'm sure you've seen at this point many people knowing things that they shouldn't know or that they have no way of knowing and I wanted to get your opinion on that you know how do you think that's possible and where do you think it's coming from? Yeah so believe me I came as a skeptic I was a skeptic in spelling part when I first saw it

I was a skeptic as far as anything with telepathy obviously I'm a scientist I'm a neuroscientist and I like to think of things in concrete scientific things that I can prove then with spelling eventually I realized okay this is absolutely real and then I was able to understand the neuroscience under it and we do brain imaging you know we do a lot of research with QEGs and we see that in the

“left side of the brain these kids have hyper connectivity of their short range connections and they”

may even be more powerful like almost superhuman level of processing in the brain. And what do you mean by

short range? So when we're maturing and when we're growing we start out with short range connections in our brain that build a foundation of networks and then as we mature we then lose some of those and replace them with longer range connections especially between the right and left hemisphere or forward and backward. I use the analogy it's like if I was going to drive around any neighborhood here on Long Island I would go through my town and I would use the little roads that go you know

from one to the other to school to the bank to church and that's efficient right but if I was going to go and want to go to another end of Long Island or into New York City I would jump on a highway and I would take a longer range connection that would be much more faster and efficient. If I took short back roads all the way to one side of Long Island or New York it would take me 10 times as long. Our research and others have shown that in autism there's an overabundance of

short range connections which are very powerful and very fast and there's a deficit of long range connections because their brain is staying in a more immature state. That is really what we see in our research there's no damage or injury or genetic mutation that is at the root of any of these issues. What we see is that there's this developmental delaying imbalance that is superimposed on these gifts and that contributes more to vulnerability and then that's superimposed on certain genetic

traits that go along with that that give them this potential for advanced skill. So using short range would mean that you can almost you know hyper fixate on something and get sort of more into it than if you use long range. Yes the left brain is all about hyper fixating, highly detailed detention

a frequency range that most people don't get into it may allow them to literally extend and speak

“to other people in a telepathic way. So do you think it's their consciousness or it's their brain”

firing outside of their body? Well there's two different things I can think of. One is I don't know if you're familiar there's research looking at the genetics of people that are telepathic versus those that are not and again there's different things with telepathy you have some that it's really more you know speaking to others or hearing others words others it's more clairvoyance and I think that they may be slightly different left brain versus right brain abilities as opposed to someone

who may be super right brain dominant and super creative and might be overly sensitive and that

might be a medium or clairvoyant where somebody who's left brain dominant it might be really more you know like words and reading words and communicating that way. Part of our research is looking at consciousness and you know what is consciousness and obviously no one's really even defined that as of today there's a lot of fighting going on but there is a faction these really great

“scientists a guy named Tonony out of basically I think Rutgers and along with even a guy named”

Roger Penrose he literally was Stephen Hawkins partner when they discovered black holes brilliant physicists one of the best out there and he went into then consciousness research and some of them believe that it's consciousness emerges as a byproduct of connectivity in the brain meaning that the more connected as we mature and as these connections these long range and short range connections get to a certain point we become conscious so we can see that at around 18 months to two years

when a child recognizes themselves in a mirror that's when they become self aware which to me is the ultimate level of consciousness which happens primarily in the right brain and that's the emergence of self consciousness and self awareness that happens and if we have a seizure or if

“people go into anesthesia that goes away but yet we're not really changing the connectivity in”

the brain so what's actually happening is it an emergent property out of the level of the complexity that's something on a quantum level is engaged other people believe that literally there is a universal consciousness and at a certain level of connectivity we can tap into that and if you if that is the case which again there are legitimate researchers that believe that is what kind of happens and if there is that then that means that it's a consciousness we're all tapping into

which then means that we should be able to communicate telepathically now if you look at research like legitimate research that's done on looking at telepathic people there is a chromosome 7 there's different versions of that chromosome one is known as the wild type meaning a more natural state of that chromosome and the other is a modified version and it was shown that people that are telepathic have the wild type of that 7 chromosome

so it would seem that it's a more natural state of that chromosome and maybe this is a more natural state for us and what we see is that as we've evolved we've found ways to inhibit that ability and replace it with the ability to speak and communicate because for whatever reason that may be more efficient or whatever and you know again are we communicating because we're achieving a certain frequency of power that's extending out of our brain and literally allowing us to communicate

or are we tapping into a common universal consciousness we're now we're able to tap into others we have this one 12 year old girl from Canada that mom again came to us didn't really think

this child knew anything started spelling and just is saying incredible things they realize

that she knew five languages and she says almost like what Nicola Tesla said Nicola Tesla said there's a universal like library where information is stored and that he was tapping into that and this little girl says that as well like the mom was asking how do you know this stuff and she basically said all the information is there it's available I just need to go to this

seems to be describing is often referred to as the Akashic Records and that's something that has

“been discussed a few times in this podcast before and the Akashic Records have been referenced”

historically and are believed to be a non-physical library that contains all information right past present future about the universe and every soul that ever has or will ever exist another way to think of it is like an information field right that all information in the universe doesn't go away it's stored somewhere so that's really fascinating and I want to go back to something you reference you mentioned earlier that you don't think autism necessarily has to do with genetic

causes which actually feels a little surprising to me because there's a lot of statistics how if

you have one autistic child you're much more likely to have a second one yeah what do you

postulate is the reason that this happens to some people so again there's two different main subsets of autism one we call syndromic and the other non- syndromic syndromic means there are some individuals that do have a clear genetic mutation and that might be something like down syndromed fragile acts tubeless sclerosis or some other known mutation or it might be what we call a denoval mutation which means it's not coming from the

parents it kind of spontaneously arises but that's rare that's only about 5% of those on the autism spectrum and to me that's not really autism it has very many different features it's a genetic disorder where they're also labeled with autism but the vast majority of those on the autism spectrum there is no clear genetic mutation associated with it and there are traits there was just an article that came out in scientific American based on a research paper that was just produced identifying

39 traits that are associated with autism spectrum and differences in those traits and the expression of those traits may relate to differences on the spectrum but what are those traits do just like we have traits genetic traits that might give me you know eye color hair color height there are also traits that give us abilities right you know like in a family you might have a family that they're all musicians or they're all really great in math or they're all great

athletes so when someone is uniquely talented or gifted or intelligent what does that mean? neuroscience wise it means that there are areas and parts of the brain and networks that are usually more on one side or the other that are uniquely connected those connections are a little stronger in those people and there was a guy named Rodman in the early 1900s that created maps of the brains of all animals but in humans he created a map of about 45 to 48 different areas

of our brain on the right left side and then correlated that over years with functions and that's one of the things we use in neuro anatomy to talk about areas of the brain so many of these traits seem like they have to do with building different parts of the brain and then when you

“put different parts together that's what makes up networks and networks communicate and we know”

that imbalances in networks or disconnections in networks to one degree or another is really at the basis of almost every mental health issue where you're looking at schizophrenia or bipolar or anxiety or ADHD and to different degrees they're all built on different traits like friends since bipolar runs in families that are very creative people that are great artists we know you know like Hemingway was bipolar and many of his grandchildren whereas you know left brain skills or things like

people that are incredible scientists like John Nash from beautiful mind who was this brilliant

mathematician his son is also schizophrenic he was schizophrenic and that's what schizophrenia is it's an excessive it's very similar to autism in many ways and it's interesting that they hear voices right and are they actually hearing other people's thoughts and many people that are brilliant genius level scientists have been known to be schizophrenic just like autism is the same is very similar you know as an article a few years ago called the puzzle of the unbalanced mind meaning that

if there's not genetic mutations but when we look at traits and what gets passed on evolutionarily traits get passed on because they create what we call evolutionary fitness what does that mean it

“means it makes you more likely to survive individually and as a species which means you need to be”

able to procreate genes that promote your ability to procreate or genes that are more likely to get passed on right and we know that something called sexual selection where females generally choose

children should get weeded out over time right but yet in autism they very rarely have their own

“children schizophrenia they rarely have their own children and by polar they kill themselves five”

times more likely and they don't have as many children so these genetic traits based on that should be going away but instead we see an explosion why because at a different version of the trait it gives an extreme ability and advantage so autism and schizophrenia the traits that underlay it built really strong networks in the left side of the brain and we're moving more and more and more towards a left brain society education psychology you know medicine everything with technology

is moving in that left brain world so we're promoting that more and more at a certain level it gives a great advantage but if you go too much or if the other side isn't keeping pace then you slip over what's called a cliff edge and now it becomes a sharp disadvantage but most of the time it's

“an advantage so the traits that are associated with autism we see that again we see them in”

physicists and engineers it's really like an engineering brain and you know that is great as you go up the socioeconomic scale the better school you went to the higher IQ you have the more money you make the better neighborhood you live in the more likely you are to have a child with autism it's not something that comes out of neglect or bad thing I tell parents all the time you didn't do anything wrong you gave your child a gift but this gift is out of control right now and that's the

problem so I want to quickly jump in and add here that while Dr. Malioso's theory is about hemispheric imbalance and autism are not necessarily universally accepted and remained debated with a neuroscience he operates from a framework we do not see enough of from many neuroscientists and that is listening to what the individual with autism is telling him and considering that autism and giftedness sometimes exists closer together than we assume it's almost like you're saying we have evolved too much in

some ways like mentally so two brilliant people coming together to have a child could result in that they're more likely to have a kid with autism especially if they're left brain dominant if they're right brain dominant and they're really gifted or you know creatively they're more likely to have a kid with dyslexia or a bipolar disorder because those are opposite kids with autism they're not reading other people's emotions they don't feel their own emotions they may have what we call

lexithemia where they really can't understand what emotion they're feeling and they're emotionally you know dampened more whereas people that are right brain in the creative world are hyper-emotional hyper-sensitive and they fear of being judged by others or they have social anxiety and many of and we interview some of the top singer songwriters actors and people in the creative world and they virtually all dyslexic and they all suffered with this anxiety or self esteem

over judging themselves all of that my daughter and I do a podcast called the right brain

WRIT and she's an incredible singer songwriter in Nashville you know she struggled with dyslexia

and she struggled with emotional things like anxiety like being overly emotional is something called metacognition from from the frontal lobe between the highest abilities our brain has and its ability to judge ourselves accurately right it goes along with self awareness and what we see is that people that are really overly right brain dominant tend to judge themselves negatively much more harshly even people that are incredibly talented they judge themselves harshly in the

assume other people are judging them negatively and that kills them because these are people that are also driven a perform so they have this dilemma where they have this gift that's in them to write a song or perform a song or actor get on stage or dance and they're also highly afraid of being judged by others and being rejected ultimately the right brain has what we call rejection sensitivity people on the autism world or people with a left brain dominant they

“tend to judge themselves overly positive so like a narcissist that's what narcissism is someone”

highly intelligent that lacks a certain level of self awareness can be very charming but yet

they judge themselves as great you know they never do anything wrong this is the way the brain works

joy anger but also pride the right brain generates sadness fear sense of danger shame embarrassment

“in guilt and so if you have too little joy because you have too much sadness combine that with shame”

and guilt that's the definition of a major depressive disorder and many of the people in that world you know they suffer from depression and that's kind of where the bipolar part comes from as well and so it's really a matter of the looking at the balance of these networks and the more gifted you know one of the things that's fascinated me since I was a kid I'd like to read books

about people that accomplish things and athletes and scientists and astronauts and there was always

this thing where many of their life ended tragically and there was this saying that there's a thin line between genius and insanity and I was like why would that be if you were a genius wouldn't you just be happy right that you were a genius if you were a great artist wouldn't you be like wow every day I'm a great artist but yet you know that's not what happens so part of what I've tried

“to do I think is understand that and these imbalances in these networks what we call functional”

disconnection syndromes is the area of my lab and our research and I think we publishes much is almost anybody in the world on that especially as it relates to things like autism or dyslexia or ADHD I think understanding the dynamic of these networks and the dynamic aspect of the brain the more gifted you are in an area the more vulnerable you are to a deficit in the other side and if that deficit outweighs the gift then it becomes a diagnosable disability well thank you so much doctor

Malio this has been really eye-opening and you're doing fantastic work and thank you for not assuming that speech or the ability to speak means intelligence and for not assuming presence needs icon to act and most of all for listening to the non-speakers and believing what they say yes that's it for this episode of the talktracks but new episodes will be released every Wednesday so stay tuned as we work

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