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“How much privacy do we have as citizens of New Zealand or the United States?”
No much, because the government is surveilling everybody. Yeah, how are they doing that? They have to mess a surveillance program that are designed to catch every phone call, video call, everything you do. What is the purpose of that? Why are they surveilling their own populations? And because they can create a profile of their citizens and then use a data to
basically put the people in categories and influence them as well.
So, it's not just surveillance, it's also mind-ildering in terms of elections or something. Okay, so you believe the government is tailoring its propaganda to the population based on profiles that they've assembled, like Facebook does for advertising. Yeah, so if they want to, for example, support for war, they can use their system to convince people. Interesting. How do you get out of it? How do you find privacy in a
panopticon like this? Don't be connected to the internet. It's only way. Yeah. Don't be, but if you're not connected to the internet, then you can't communicate with people except in your living room. It's true, but it's a high price to pay if you're
“online. You have to know that everything you do is being watched and listened to.”
Why is there no way out? Why is there no phone or laptop or tablet that allows me to communicate with you without being spied on? Because the US government has a lot of fingers in the technology. So, every website that you visit, every tool that you use, every hardware that you use, is controlled by the US government bots. Yeah. So, this is not a new phenomenon. You were indicted, I think, in 2011, 2012, a long time ago. Is that what
what year was it? In 2012. So, 14 years ago, what you were doing, you're basically
“allowing people to upload large files privately on the internet. I think that's what you're”
doing. Yeah. And that was so threatening that the US government tried to put you in prison. No, what was really threatening was, I gave money to Vicky Leaks and Judinal Sounds. So, the US government saw me as a person of interest because of that. And everything that followed is because of my support for the truth. Yeah. For Julian Assange. Yeah. And what Julian came out with a real collateral murder. Maybe you remember that.
I was touched by it and gave a lot of money to Vicky Leaks. Yeah. And then what happened after you did that? I was such a copywriting instrument. So, what my users uploaded to my website, they said I'm responsible for that. But wouldn't Facebook be responsible for every criminal who uses a meta product? Wouldn't Google be responsible for
any criminal uses their search engine? Why? I mean, this is a new, I've never heard of this
principle before. Yeah. The big differences they did not give money to Vicky Leaks.
What did they charge you with?
They charged me with a legal ex. So, they not only say, I'm a criminal because I allowed people
to use my websites for infringement. They said I planted with other people. Stupid. And what were the penalties for this? Oh, they wanted to put me in jail for 166. Yes. I'm sorry to laugh. 186 years for copyright infringement?
“Oh, that's what you said if you support Julian Assange. Well, I do support Julian Assange. So,”
I hope that's not coming for me. So, whatever happened to the charges. Oh, they wanted to extract me from New Zealand to the United States now. Are they still trying to do that? Yeah. Even after my stroke, they're still trying to do that. Are you worried that they'll be able to? Oh, they want to. I'm, I have no doubt. But I don't know if they can. Because I'm not the same person anymore after my stroke. So,
if they really want to go ahead, they are for a big sentence. What would happen if you were to use your money to build a phone that was truly private that the US government could not listen to? I did something like that when I was still the creator of make-up. So, I had an encrypted communication tool. But now who's running make-up is no longer trust, Rosie. But why hasn't anyone done that? I mean, it seems like the one thing we could use to regain our freedom is a communications,
a simple communications device that's actually private. In the US, you can't. So, if you put out an encrypted device, then the government will just send you a letter saying
“you have to give us a victor or go to jail. You know, this is a literally possible in the US.”
The government can just send you a letter to say give me a back door. And what if you say no? They put you in jail. So, it is illegal in the United States to communicate privately? Absolutely. Yeah. In Norway, they say you have freedom of speech, but you don't. You know, it's a joke. Does any country have freedom of speech?
You have a certain degrees of freedom of speech, but it's not like it used to be, you know, where your privacy is protected. Under the UN charter, we are all protected. You know, the US doesn't care. And because the US, we, we know this so much, it's not. And it's fine on everybody. Everyone else is, you know.
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I'm not sure most Americans understand any of this or any communications
apps, signal, WhatsApp, I message or any of them actually secure. Not even signal. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Signuless is worse. What, how is signal the worst? Because everyone is using it and you are scuff, I mean, it's laughing because they have a big door. Yeah. But I mean, people with, I happen to know with real secrets use signal and they're convinced that no one can hear or read them on signal, but they're, they're wrong. You're sure of that.
Yeah. So signal is not secure. There's nothing I would recommend to other than not using any
communications towards. Yeah. Do I really? So if you wanted to, I don't know, organized resistance to tyranny, you couldn't. No, you can't. Have you given up? No, it's true. You can't because all the tools are being watched. Yeah. How will AI change this picture? AI is very dangerous because it's very good access to the US database for this kind of data mining. So the AI will know everything about everybody. Huh. And there's no way to stop that. Don't have AI here. Don't have internet.
“It's the only way. What why is the US planning on building so many data centers?”
It's already building a huge data centers because it takes, it collects about a 10 petabyte of data a day. So it's a lot. Yeah. All communications after things. So that why is the United States building so many more data centers than China is? Do you know? You can't say that because you're being called that. You know, it's kind of not far behind the US when it comes to AI. You're only being told that it's propaganda. You know, Obama made it legal to propagandize US citizens.
So you can't believe anything they say. Our American media outlets part of that effort to propaganda is the public. Yeah. Of course. You know, whoever controls them controls the public. So any access to the media today is controlled. Yeah. So in the US there's been a rise of independent media. Some of them have big platforms reach a lot of people and they're well having conversations
“like this. They're against the program. How long can that last do you think?”
And so that is okay that there's independent media and you are one of them. So it's really good to have you. You know, but there will be a click down solar data on everybody that is still not controlled. Yeah. And what can people do to fight back against that crackdown? Not much. You see the power of the government is a very strong. So there's not much you can do about it.
You don't seem very hopeful.
Are there any free countries or what is the freeest country do you think right now? Were people
“can say what they think with the most latitude? I think it's very good. Yeah. It's a land.”
Because they have delicate democracy. Not a representative democracy. So the people decide is people power. I bring that in a Tunisian and this election. So it was a freedom party. We will have a direct democracy available here.
Do you think that direct democracy will spread to other countries? I think it's only way.
Because politicians are not on this people. They only look for how to make a lot of money. You know, so a deadly democracy is the answer. Do you think that the war in Iran will change
“America's place in the world? What does the world look like in ten years?”
So the US is struggling to remain number one. You know, the unique polar system,
the US had for many decades. They are fighting for it. But the US is
too much depth. They're going down. There's nothing that can prevent that. So I think in the next few years we will see a lot of negative things in the world. It's because of that. What kind of negative things? So the West is highly dependent on the US, not going under. You know there's the one, Ukraine will be lost. The one Iran will be lost. US A will go into a big depression because of
“the debt. I think financially the world is heading into turmoil. How is the war in Ukraine”
resolved? What does that look like? It looks like now on the battlefield. So Russia will bring against Ukraine and I don't think there will be a settlement. Do you believe that NATO will continue to attack Russia? I think the attacks on Russia will continue for many years. I don't see the US and the Europe giving up. So I think what Russia has stood prepared for is big of a war. A bigger war with the directly with the United States in Europe.
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“where Russia is hitting Europe and Russia? Yeah, I think so. And who wins? Russia, of course,”
because Europe has no armies, you know, NATO is a total less tiger. Why would the Western
powers, why would NATO want a war with Russia? I've never understood that. The alternative is
the US loses, and the US loses, it will go down. You know, devass has invested a lot in the US, so all that is owned by debtors. Europe is a big debtor to the United States. So if the US stockman asks for some, go down, all the European companies that are listed in the US are also going down. So we are talking about a loss of maybe previous, you know, it's not something that the best can do. They want to prevent the US from going on. I think I understand that, and I'd
like to see the US not go under also, but I think they're accelerating the destruction of the United States. This is having the opposite effect. If you wanted to wreck the US and bring the empire to its knees in the most humiliating, painful, expensive way, this is what you would do. Yeah, but that has now reached levels that are unsustainable. So it's just a measure of time. You know, that to run the US government costs 20 billion a day. It's impossible. It's impossible. That's right.
What is the end of the Iran war? What does that look like? Iran will then because the US has no weapons and no army to invade. You know, you wonder, we're all the military money events because the US has to be because it's for the military yet they can't invade. So I think Iran will then. And then what happens to the United States? Does the US get out of the Middle East? Yeah. Yeah.
Um, what happens to American politics like what direction does it go? Do you think from your perspective?
“I think the only way to save the America is for the people to vote directly, that not just”
rule politicians, the only way I think to save America is a direct democracy. Do you think
Electronic voting machines are honest and reflect the will of the people, the...
that I don't trust them. Yeah. I don't trust them because they are able to be meant in money
pollated. Yeah. You say that as fact, you know for certain that electronic voting machines can be
“manipulated. Yeah, they can. So why does the US still have them?”
Waking for the right time to use them, I think. Yes. So, that's kind of grim. Do you see a risk of a nuclear exchange in Ukraine? Because if they do as or down, you know what is the last.
It is 39 trillion of dead can never be paid back. So it may take the rest of the world down.
And so how do you get to nuclear weapons from there? Who uses nuclear weapons do you think? I think the US first against Iran and then against the world, yeah. Primarily Russia and China, but you know, I saw that coming. There's a reason why I am in New Zealand because it's
“the myth of warfare. It is the middle of nowhere. When did you see this coming?”
I don't know. I don't know. Could be many years. Could be tomorrow. I don't know. But you saw this years ago. You believe this was going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I did. I brought my family to safety. Yeah. But ever safe. Are you safe? I don't know. Maybe if I'm executed, US, I will die in the nuclear holocaust. I think. Oh, so you're certain that's coming.
“Yeah. Do you think it's likely that Israel uses nuclear weapons?”
Hospital. Why does Israel have nuclear weapons in the first place?
Because they spied on the US for the technology. And then they started their own nuclear program. Everybody in the world knows that they have nuclear weapons. Yet they go to all against Iraq, against Iran, trying to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. You know, the first country that's short to give up nuclear weapons is isolated. Yeah. I don't think they're going to. No, of course not. Can you explain, you said at the
outset that you were indicted and now they're trying to extract you because you supported Julian Assange. Julian Assange famously printed American secret documents and videos on WikiLeaks on the internet. But the US government seemed very focused on killing him. Why was he such a threat? Because it was telling the truth and he got in the way of the plants of the US deep state, you know. So anything that he has in terms of support was attacked.
Why, why do you think Donald Trump, after spending 10 years saying he wouldn't start a regime change were with Iran, did in February start a regime change were with Iran? Don't Trump is a big liar. So anything he says, he just said to become less than. I wouldn't believe it. He says, he's the biggest liar in the world. What do you think
His goal is?
Oh, I think he wants to become more than the president of the United States. He wants to make
“history, you know, I think nuclear war with him is very likely because of his narcissism and his”
electric applause. But starting a nuclear war would eliminate everybody. I mean, there would be no history after that. Yeah, but he is 80 years old. So he is looking for the decks it.
And you think nuclear war is the exit? Yeah.
Is there anything that can be done to stop that? No, not much. If he wants, it may be a dervolution. And you know, I just say, you know, not half a school will like Trump be president.
Do you think that deep state agrees with Trump on the question of using nuclear weapons?
“So you need to understand one thing. The deep state has the big budget for keeping Russia and China”
surveyed. So if they haven't no longer the enemy of Russia and China, the US deep state loses 40% of the budget. And so they need to keep Russia and China, they turn in the enemy to make money. Yes. So really, a nuclear war is not in anybody's interest. No, of course not. Do you think that you're up or you're from?
“You're obviously German. Does Europe have a future as European?”
If they meet peace with Russia, yes. If they talk about a ties with the US, yes. The US deeps them as a versus states. They have no chance to survive. Do you believe Putin is secure in his job? And last question, how have you been able to keep from being extradited when New Zealand is a small country without a meaningful military? The United States wants to extradite you.
How have you been able to convince the authorities in Auckland not to send you to the United States? And not convince the authorities. This is process. You know, I'm fighting a tradition where if I can. So my lawyers are fighting it and using the process to fight it. But because that's all I can do. Yeah. Well, Ruten for you. And for the world, Kim.com. Thank you. I know you don't do a lot of interviews. And so I'm grateful you did this for that. And thanks. No problem, Taka.
Great to see you. Thank you.
