‘The Ethical Hacker’ Exposes Satanic Child Predators Lurking Online & How He Hunts Them

>> Okay, I wanted to do this. I wanted to meet you. I heard about you from my friend Sean Ryan, wonderful man. I was going on about you in the work that you're doing on the darkest things happening on the internet, which we'll talk about in a minute.

But he said, this is a guy who really understands how to use the internet. Oh, just open source, and also non-open source, since we're also an expert on hacking.

But so it's just right there, what can you learn about someone you've never met

on the internet, open source? >> Basically everything, and what I did with you, because I was told in advance that you're not really a computer guy, you're not a computer guy, you don't own a computer. >> Usually, you don't even own a computer. >> I do not know, I have an iPhone, which is, I don't know how different that is from a computer.

“I've been known to computers since 2011, because I just disapproved basically, right?”

To each zone, right? That is a computer that you have on the internet. >> It is a computer, you're totally right. >> Back when I was a kid, that thing's like 10 times more power. >> You're totally right, and I always say I don't have a TV, but I get extra whatever YouTube on my phone, so it's like a distinction without a difference.

It's just, it's an absurd pretence that I keep up. >> Hey, well, it's a, you know, when I was doing the research, I confirmed that, you know, running your phone number, running your email, there's not many accounts connected to them. >> So, it's no accounts, yeah, I don't have email that I use, I don't have email really, and I've had the same phone number since 1995.

>> I found, I found some old, like, and I'll show you in a second, but the old, you know, news-related emails, there was one with S Carlson at, you know, there's an old, all your old emails, but it doesn't seem like anything is active, so for me, the 20-minute challenge was, you know, I think you might be, yeah. >> So, it's a 20-minute challenge, 20 minutes to find out what you can about somebody.

>> That's all, we call it a doubt in the office, you know, just to see what we could find on you and, and let me pull out my laptop and show you. >> So, you do on a computer, this is what you're saying. >> I don't know, a lot of computers, I don't know, I'm a nerd. >> Yeah, there's something, I, I don't know, I just, we're not in charge of the growth

of technology and it's increasing power over our lives, I'm certainly not in charge, and, yes, I did put in Starlink in my hunting camp, which was a huge mixed blessing, but I just, I just want to say out loud that I disapprove. >> There's a proof of it, please. >> I do, I just do, no, I don't disapprove of computers.

>> Well, we can smash this thing right now, I'm not that unreasonable, I just, I feel like human autonomy and human consciousness, like, a ability to think for ourselves is threatened by technology and I'm upset by it. I agree with that, and this might make you even more angry, so, is this your social security number?

>> Let me get my glasses.

“>> Yeah, it certainly is, how do you buy social security number?”

>> Well, so I have your social security number, I have your full name, obviously, I don't think that's a secret. I see all your fishing licenses and hunting licenses from Alaska, Oregon, Virginia, I mean, I've found all the places that you do your things like. >> Let's go Oregon, Virginia.

>> Yep, I even have your driver's license number in Florida. >> Yeah, it's, look, think you haven't changed your phone number in a long time. >> 1995. >> Okay, so that won't. >> Every mental patient in America has my phone number.

I've heard everybody is, I'm not afraid of people, I'm never going to be afraid of people,

so. >> One thing I want to tell you about how I have your social security number and why it's kind of ridiculous to be honest with you, have you heard of the national public data breach? >> No. >> Okay, so.

I just say that I keep my assets and gold coins buried in a place that only my children can identify. So, well, I'm totally safe, you can't train my bank account. >> Well, I'm going to show you something. You might not be able to train your bank account, but here is your signature from your

“warranty deed, so having your, how do you have that?”

>> That is my actual signature. >> Yeah, yeah, I'm aware. >> Which is not my name, so I don't know how you would have that. >> Oh, I pulled it from public records. >> Crazy.

>> Yep, so if I use your social, I have your general location, I know you use a PO box to buy everything, I found behind the PO box, I sell your motorcycle transaction that you made. I have the old plate and the new plate with the Harley. I found as much as I could in the 20th.

>> You found my Harley. >> Yeah. >> So, that's something I talk about, that's so funny. >> Wow. >> Okay.

>> But my point here is that.

>> The new six beads are amazing.

Can I just say that? >> I can imagine four beads. >> I love motorcycles, I do too. >> I do too. >> Basically, I do.

Very secretly. >> So, the national public data breach was ridiculous to be honest with you. It was 2.8 billion records, about a year and a half ago roughly, and a Florida sheriff

Some loaded white pages. But for whatever reason, this Florida sheriff got access to all of this data and was using it to, you know, I'm assuming sell data make money on it. Well, he decided to reuse credentials for a demo project or old project on his main production

system, which allowed 2.8 billion records to be exposed with, you know, we know there's

about 300 million Americans. So if there's 2.8 billion records in this database, there's a good chance that you're in it with your social security number.

“And you're in there about, I think, 15 times, if you look at that document, with everywhere”

you've ever lived, you know, including anyone associated et cetera. So, and this is all publicly available. >> It's publicly available, and what we did was, because since, since, like I said, I could, you know, maybe you have all your assets in gold, let's say, like I have the ability to call your electric company and pretend that I'm you.

And what do I not have about you to confirm that I'm you?

You know, or if I want to open up a credit card, or if I want to buy it on a Harley, there's

not much that's stopping me. So, you know, we decided, like, and I'll get into some of this in a little bit, but like, you know, we started a cybersecurity company using the methodologies that I used to locate these predators and traffickers, and instead of doing something like, you know, targeting bad people, you can, you can sign up for it and protect your digital footprint.

So, we, we were, you're sitting in a hotel room, this data breach came out and we're like, we want people to know if they're in this, like, immediately because if your socials

“exposed, you should be freezing your credit, like, right now.”

And we noticed nobody else, nobody else was allowing anyone to search for this. So we threw it together as fast as we possibly could, and it was all over the place. So we're like, we didn't realize that the news was going to pick up on it the way that it did. There were congresspeople in New York even showing how to demonstrating how to use our search on our website. I believe it was Richie Torres in New York, and there

was a bunch of them, that's just the one that's coming to mind. And, you know, this is not me trying to advertise is just relevant to the story, but like, people would go to NPD, like, national public data.pentester.com, and you can run your name. You'll see if you're in this breach, if you are, it doesn't cost you any money whatsoever to freeze your credit. And we give you the instruction on how to go to trans union, equifax, experience,

and freeze it. And people think, well, if I freeze my credit, it's going to affect my school or whatever. It doesn't hurt your score to freeze it. It just stops people from being able to run a soft or hard query against it. And when you're ready to go do something that requires your credit, you just click the unfreeze button, which takes 10 seconds. They run your credit, and then you freeze it again. And this will alleviate a ton of issues.

I mean, I don't know if you're credit's frozen. I'm hoping by the time that this episode is out, it is, because I don't have any credit. I don't take any loans. Okay, well, if you're not worried, you know what? I don't want credit. I don't like money lending period. Understood. Not understood, but most people would be worried, but there's a good chance. Like, this is not me fear mongering. There's socials most likely in this database. If you're

if you're watching this episode, you know, so it's the way that you didn't know about it, even though it was all over the news. Like, almost everyone I meet face to face is not aware that they're in this data breach. And we're doing a good job at exposing that it exists. I cannot take this data breach off of some hackers computer in Russia, like, or, you know, whoever downloaded it, I can, I don't know how familiar you are with how these data breaches work,

but like, I can't remove your data from a data breach. It's just a file that could share amongst many people there. Yeah. It's out there. So your social is on as many people's computers as downloaded that data breach. So we're doing the same thing, but showing you, you know, we're allowing you to search through that file. And then we give it the options to freeze your credit. I don't need biometrics really soon. I mean, that's probably the point of this right to get us

to biometrics because yeah. Well, I mean, I just don't understand how this sheriff in the first place got

got access to every single American's personal information, including their socials. But from there, we thought, how can you clean up your digital footprint, which I'm going to show you something that

“I think, I don't know what your thoughts on facial recognition are and all of that, but I want to show”

you some cool stuff that people are scared of, but they should also look at as, you know, you have a digital footprint, even though you don't use a computer. Like, people need to realize that. They have to understand. How long until people's porn records get leaked immediately? This is like, I could show you an example of it right now. And, you know, the way that the way that we built this platform was like I said to how we identified predators and traffickers, but now it's any consumer

can sign up for it. See what's out there on them. See what accounts are connected to them, their kids, if their kids have some secret, you know, accounts or anything like that. And let's say they were in a wedding photo four years ago and they were in the back corner

that, you know, they are, you know, what their name is or who they are just by them walking down

the street and being in a photo, which I'll demonstrate so that makes more sense. You know, we could do somebody here that doesn't have as much of a public image because you and I, we could take a picture and you're going to see a ton of results, but somebody, if they're willing, if not, I'll show you my own face or yours or whatever you'd like. We built that, because, you know, we, I'll give you a good example. It's happened recently. So we hired, are you familiar with one would, then in Miami? No. Okay,

so it's an art district in Miami and there's awesome graffiti artists down there. And we decided to hire a graffiti artist that, you know, is most likely committing crimes when he's not being paid legitimately to, to paint our office. And the guy was a super nice guy, but he went by an alias

“and he was going to be on our office for six to eight days. That's what he said to us. So we said”

to the guy, you know, we asked him what his name was. He was a little bit hesitant to tell us. He, you

know, he honestly didn't. He just told us his alias, which was a three-letter word. And I took a picture of his face and I ran it through our system. I found a picture of him with his grandparents that had their full names in it. And I said, look, man, this is how easy, you know, a surveillance camera or anybody taking a photo of you, can identify you in 2026. You know, we could get into the whole Europe, privacy laws with facial recognition in China. But like in the United States with this

technology, instead of using it for good in our case where we're showing you what's out there about yourself. People can use this for bad to identify you or your kids or, you know, you're family and it's, it's very dangerous. And, you know, we just want people to know about this stuff.

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Amazing. And there's all of the addresses that came from the data breach.

Hold on. Oh my gosh. How did they go back a long time? There's much health at home. Yeah, I mean, these are places I haven't lived in 40 years. Wow. Wow, that is crazy. So you've just taken a picture of my face and you're feeding my face into the database. I'm not going to feed it into the into the database. This is not going to be stored or anything like that. We're only doing it just to show an example of it's taking 120 measurements of your face.

So like for example, let's say you're wearing makeup or something or you're a purple hair. It doesn't make a difference because there's other measurements that will, and like I said, there could be, it could be half of your face or a quarter of your face. It's just going to try to use those measurements to identify you, not the actual image itself. There's a difference between reverse image searching, like looking for an identical image and reverse facial recognition

where it's trying to measure like this nostril is this many centimeters from the lower earlobe, you know, and a lot of different measurements. Let's just say you're not a criminal. You have no interest in breaking the law here in the United States, but you don't want to be identified on the basis of your face. Is there anything you can do to disguise your identity in foil facial recognition? Unfortunately, wearing a mask, I mean, you could still be identified

by the top half of your face. I mean, you could wear like a COVID mask or something if you're one of those guys, but you know, you could do that. You could wear, I mean, it's extreme though, you know, like wearing, wearing a full face mask to cover, it's put a hood up and walk past cameras with your

do it. No, no, no, we could, we could try to mess with you in any way, and I guarantee you I mean, yeah, here you are all over the place here. I'll speak loud, but you see these, these URLs underneath of them. Yeah. So any each one of these, and there's going to be, and there's an endless supply of photos of you on the internet Tucker, so it'd be kind of pointless to go through these for you. But let's say you're average person. Let's say you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, and you don't

know what's out there on yourself, because it's not possible to search by your face unless you have a specialized tool to do it. Right. Law enforcement usually has this, you know, ability, but consumers don't. And what we did is we allow you to search and we show you where that image is at, so then you can either reach out to us, or if you can take it upon yourself to contact that website, whether it be, let's say, like, as I used a wedding photographer, reach out to that wedding

photographer, and say, hey, I would like my photo taken down off of your website, or if it's, you know, maybe you're out of a kid's sports game, and it's showing pictures of your children, like, you know, you want to know that that stuff is out there, because somebody else could be searching you. It's, you know, it's not about everybody's like, it's not going to happen to me. It's not

“going to happen to me, but then sometimes it happens to you. And that's why we built what we built,”

and we're trying to hit every angle, or trying to hit your, you know, your digital footprint as a whole, and then we're automating as many removals as possible for you, so you could just, you know, essentially put in your email, put in your name to pen tester, as much information as you're willing to give us. And then over time, it'll start to build out a profile on you the same way that I did in that little challenge, but automatically, and then you'll start to see removals happening

over time, and you'll see where it got removed from, where, you know, how many are pending, how many are left? It's, it's a super cool, easy process, and I'm going to sound like a car salesman, but like it's less than 20 bucks, and I don't know why, it's a, I think everybody should, should be doing it. There's just nobody out there doing this, and you get all of this for $20. It doesn't seem like there's any privacy possible in the United States. Absolutely not. No,

it when it comes to technology, you are fully exposed. It's like you're naked. I came in here, you know, we met one time before in person, and you know, it's not like I snuck your social out of your wallet that day. I came in here saying, hey Tucker, I have your social security number, your warranty deed, and your signature, yeah, maybe you don't have credit, but most people, most people in the United States do, and it's a big deal to them, you know? So of course,

and I didn't mean, I understand that, and the system is set up against people, which is my mean problem with the system. You shouldn't have to be heavily in debt in order to live here. Agreed. If you've got a job, but you're like a responsible person who works eight hours a day,

“but you have to have debt. No, you shouldn't have that. Then the system is designed to enslave you,”

which ours is. So that I'm just opposed to it. But I didn't mean to be like, oh, no, I didn't have any debt. No, I know. I'm very privileged not to have debt, and by the way,

it's the very first thing I did when I made some dough. I didn't buy anything. I paid off all my

loans because I despise being indebted to anybody, and I despise the people who put you in debt. I do. I mean it. I understood from the bottom of my heart, as I would despise a slavemaster, and they run around like, whoa, we're making the American dream possible. No, you're stealing it, actually, from people, and you should be ashamed. Totally agree with you there, and I'm not. No, you're good. You can see I've filled with eccentric resentments, but

and I think in a normal society, we would recognize that. And anyone who's lending money at like super high interest rates, committing newsree, at that level, should be prosecuted for it. 110% I agree with that, and they even take those payday loans. For example, a horrible, the reverse mortgages are being marketed like crazy right now, and there's a lot of

dangerous large loans in moral. And they're always running around calling everyone else in moral,

but that is in moral. And by the way, I gave a speech once the pitted loan lenders in the Bahamas back was 25 years ago before I really had any views on anything, and they were amusing. But man, that was a sleazy group of people I've ever met in my life. I had no doubt. I don't know how they sleep at night. I agree. Well, here's a pretty awful statistic. Over 85% of the so-called grass fed beef sold in this

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but I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be like, I can't believe people have to have jobs. Everyone is in debt. Everyone has to be. I totally understand that and the way I look at it and my personal belief is there's good debt and bad debt because you can in my life, I own software companies and real estate and taking an equity line out to buy another

product. We're not playing at a different level. I've never been in business. I'm just like some

employee talks for a living. So like I have a very simple financial picture of my life. Don't

“have that much money, but I don't have any debt. And I think in my business where you make people”

mad, if you have debt with it, you know, they go after it. They're public as well. So you don't have any, obviously, but it's usually that you know, people could find them. Well, you wonder while these members of Congress and the hair hats on television are all saying exactly the same thing because they're exposed. And everyone thinks it's exposed sexually and a huge number of them are creepy sexually, but it's not just that. It's the money. It's the debt is the leash

that keeps them in line. That's wild. I think, yeah, you might be right. You might be right. It sounds

like it. It's a, I, I've never had this conversation before. Yeah, I never, I don't really

say, you know, for me. It's, no, you're fine. You're fine. It's a, it's, well, if you're, if you're, if, you know, if you're in debt to anybody, you're literally in debt to them. You owe them something you haven't yet paid. So that is, by definition, they're control over you. Right. Yeah, they have control over you and they can take your assets if you don't pay them. So yeah, totally understand it. And it's, it's a risky, it's a, depending on the, you know, depending on the type of person,

some people are more risk-taking when they don't have the funds. They, you know, I don't believe

“you should be taking out loans that you can't afford. Yeah. Um, it's, you know, the people saying,”

don't spend money. You don't have. It's something most people are aware of, but some people don't practice that. Yeah. I, I used to feel that way. Now I'm kind of like, I don't know. I think people should stop paying their credit cards. I know no one also agrees with me. And we'll give them moral obligation. Really? Well, you have a moral obligation not to send credit card applications to kids and college. So this goes both ways. It's like just blaming the drug addict

and never mentioning the dealer. Someone selling the fentanyl. And that person is on the hook too.

So that's how I feel. So like, is it a sin to rip off your drug dealer? I guess it's not one. I'm going to judge you for. Yeah. I think it's 100% agree with you there. Yeah. I can't argue that. Yeah. So anyway, um, wow. Well, that's all very shocking. Let me ask you a super dumb question because that's the only kind of have, which is when someone has your social security number, like how threatening is that? So when someone has your social, it just gives them the ability to, you know,

pretend to be you. So whether it be, you know, we talked about loans and credit. Yeah. It take

“that out of the picture. Imagine if, you know, I think you've experienced this based on just a rumor”

you've been sin swapped before. Like somebody stolen your phone number and tried to. Yeah, multiple times. So, you know, I'm assuming your, your carrier now is a lot more strict with your phone number locked it down. Yeah. Yeah. But two, I, for your average person, if I call in and I say, hey, I'm Jane Doe. I have your social, you know, have her social security number. I can sound like a man. They can't judge me in 2026. So I'm Jane Doe with a man's voice with a social. They're going

to let me do practically anything I want to be account. That doesn't mean essentially every time it's going to be a sim swap. But I can authenticate to pretty much anything as you. You're electric in your house. Let's say, you know, I report a problem with the electric and they, they turn the power off and on a, you know, Friday night and you don't get your power back till Monday. That could be a problem in some cold areas or some hot areas for sure. I mean, there's real life consequences

to a social security number, which is such a ridiculous way to identify somebody because they, they're incremental. And I think it was 2011 is when the prefix of them, like the first three digits started becoming randomized. Like the first, I think it was a three digits met like the hospital in the next two was the time frame, something like that. After 2011, it was changed to completely random. But, you know, social security numbers are not in my opinion a good way to keep

yourself private. Well, because they are not, and this is what I sort of have asked you a minute ago, because the system is so obviously flawed in the internet itself is not secure, because it was designed to be open. It will never be secure. There will always be data breaches, always. And because everything takes place in the internet, specifically financial transactions,

possibility now with, you know, fingerprints have been around for a long time for fingerprint locks. And now it can soon bring you to Home Depot and buy a fingerprint lock for your home. But, you know, we have biometrics for, for retina scanning that, that one, I seen it at the airport

“before with clear, right? I think clear might have changed from retina scanning to just facial recognition,”

but we have the ability to do all of these different biometrics that are pretty, you know, pretty solid ways to authenticate yourself. The issue, which we could get more into this later, but there's, there's platforms out there that are trying to use biometrics like facial scanning to determine age to allow someone on a platform. It's failing miserably. And that, because it's just the technology is doing a bad job at identifying the person's age.

Like, for example, if I scan my face and I say, no, I'm, I'm 32 years old, but it could tell me that I'm 50. It could tell me that I'm 18. It could tell me that I'm 16. It just depends on whatever that platform decides. Yeah. And in my experience, this is the kind of life you've lived on. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. And I have lived the crazy life. So who knows what I, I don't know. This is in, in particular, with, with the last couple of weeks with Roblox, to Roblox implemented this

as a safety measure after a guy named Shalap his name, he goes by, and myself went on some podcasts, talked about the dangers of that platform and showed some real examples, which, you know, I'll show you some stuff in a little bit, but their way to combat this issue was, you know, at least what it

“seems is using kids, you have to scan their face, and then they get grouped into, you know,”

other, grouped into lobbies with other kids, their age that they determine from a third-party company that we don't know what they're doing with the biometric data of the children's faces. And a lot of the time they're getting it wrong, and to make matters worse, you can go on eBay and buy accounts for certain age ranges. So what do you think a predator is going to do with, let's say you've got a 13-year-old, a 13-year-old account already verified Roblox for, you know, $15 on eBay.

Now that guy can go target 13-year-olds because he just spent 15 bucks. It's, you can, you know, but the, but the moral of that is, you know, Roblox has a huge responsibility. There are a big platform,

there are the largest platform for children in the world. They, you know, they, they're multi-billion-dollar

corporation. And, you know, I can't fully blame them. I don't think they've made good decisions. I don't know if you know that they've banned vigilantes from their platform. They don't let law enforcement on their case. So can you describe for people who don't have kids at home what what Roblox is? Okay. So Roblox is, imagine Lagos. Like, you know, I'm sure most people know what Lagos are. Digital Lagos, where they're walking around the screen, they're chatting with each other,

and they're playing games with each other. Like, just to keep things simple, tick-tack-toe virtually. And they look like little Lego characters. And the children are able to type to each other and talk inside of these Roblox games. And there's, you know, four, five, six, seven, eight-year-old children playing this game. It's very, very popular amongst them. And, you know, with this, you know, with this age verification situation that they just added, it makes it more dangerous in my opinion.

And I have solutions on what they could do. I have a friend that I can't name, but they're federal law enforcement. They, you know, have been in child crimes for longer than I've been alive.

And they didn't even get them to the second interview stage. I found out that they don't have

anyone. This could, this, this is just me being told something, but I found that they had no one that's ever worked child crimes for our government or legal state working on their team to help with these issues. And as the largest game in the world for children, you would think that they would do everything in their power to keep predators off of that platform. And, oh, and the point that I was trying to get at was that if you have a platform that's full of kids, it's going to,

it's going to attract a child. I'm sorry. If you have a platform that's, that is full of children,

“it's going to attract a predator, because that's what predators do. They put themselves in positions”

like becoming teachers or becoming, you know, police officers or camp counselors or, you know, whatever, whatever gives them access to children. So yes, Roblox is, for me to say, is Roblox intentionally trying to make a platform for predators to groom children. I don't think that's their goal, but I think they're doing a horrible job at trying to combat it. And there's easy ways for them to make this problem a lot better. And what I want to do as an individual is educate as many parents

out there that, you know, because a lot of them, their kids are playing this game, you know, 150 million

daily active users or something, something like that. Some crazy high number of kids around the world are playing this game. And, you know, it's, it's, it's saddens me that parents have no idea.

this game where strangers are getting access to them and asking them for some of the most horrific

things that I've ever seen in almost eight years of child crimes and trafficking, which, you know, I, there's a lot, it's, it's a lot easier to show you what I mean by that than tell you that, because it's, you know, parents, parents, you know, can hear internet has predators. The park, there might be a sex defender out the park that's staring at a kid, but until they see it or it's happened to them, it's usually not real. And of course, it's easy to say somebody like myself

who works in this space is going to be an extremist or somebody that's, that's going to immediately assume everybody is bad because I deal with this every day. I have no evidence to believe that it isn't a significant problem because I can't, I'm finding in my, in almost eight years that there's more people that are willing to meet or talk with a child inappropriately than not on not just robots, but any social media platform chat app. And I've demonstrated this live on,

on many podcasts, and it's never failed, unfortunately. I wish that I could fail. I wish I could

pull my laptop out, go to a chat site, pretend to be a child, and not have a grown man asking me to do something inappropriate, but I have never failed, unfortunately. It's pretty overwhelming

“time in history, certainly in this country, and that's why prayer is more important than ever,”

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for free at HALO.com/tucker. It is absolutely the best. Part of the problem is it's too upsetting,

and I think we should have with the soft camera. I think it's, you know, the most upsetting things, children being hurt, being at the very top of it, are people can't even face it. They don't want to think about it. They just compartmentalize it and move on, because not because they support it, but precisely because of how violently they are opposed to it, but it's just really upsetting. I understand that, but to give you just a counter to that, I mean, right after my interview was shown

Ryan, a 13-year-old girl from the same exact group I was just talking about was hanging by an extension cord in the parking lot, and in the chat room while she did this live, we're saying that they would, you know, she took her clothes off, it'd be hotter, she died. You know, and in the parking lot, it's happened right actually. Yeah, there's, there's been a ton of suicides. This is a significant

“issue, and that's why I wanted to talk about it, and Sheldon brought it up platform was this.”

That was, they, they were lowering through mental health support groups. They're looking for vulnerable kids, and then they'd befriend them, and then after they'd befriend them, and they, you know, pretend they're, they're a boyfriend or girlfriend, they exchange nude photos, and then after the nude photos are exchanged, instead of sex-dording them like a Nigerian scam or might for money, they try to get them to harm themselves and exchange for not having their photos exposed to,

you know, their friends, family school, they're sex-dording them, but they're, they're using, instead of money, they want them to carve group names and use their names into their chests, and to their wrists, and to their bodies, and then, you know, sometimes it escalates to harming animals. They're pets in their houses who are hurting strangers. Literally, there's been murders of strangers, lighting homeless people on fire. A guy torched himself on a hotel room,

just to prove that he was worthy of being part of one of these groups. I mean, this is, this is not just happening in like a little part of the country somewhere, you know, randomly. This is on a mass scale, and, you know, there's some people that are saying that it's, that one of the biggest dangers for children at the moment is these groups, which I, I know it's sad. I know people don't want to hear this stuff. Well, it's overwhelming

because there's no motive. They don't have a motive. Right. They're a nihilist, extreme,

“extreme, it's true. So that, I mean, I think he is the definition of evil. The whole point of”

it is the suffering. There's no, it's not like you, you know, robber like a scorn, shot the clerk in order to get his money, which is obviously evil, but at least it's explicable in human terms. This is just spiritual evil. It's spiritually evil, and their logo is a pentagram. They identify as a satanic cult, and the original group was called

this ideology or methodology that they use, and they have like guides, literal guides that teach

you how to groom and extort these children, and they spread them amongst each other. Well, now there's hundreds, if not thousands, of these offshoots that do exactly the same thing, using different names, and you know, there's there been any effort to arrest these groups. Yes, so this is what makes it a little bit difficult. So there's 450 active investigations right now with the FBI, not nearly enough. I mean, I'm, I could show you one group that satinalt found a

satinalt foundation on it, which I explained how you haven't got involved in satinalt foundation in a minute. I can go in one of those groups, and there's more than 450 targets in that group alone. I mean, it's, and more needs to be done from law enforcement, but I understand that there's difficulty because it's not like we're going after the cartel, where there's a ring leader, and then you can arrest all the guys underneath of them. They're all in the same town, or they

might get caught together. These guys are from all over the country, some of them international, and it's going to be one at a time, you know, and they don't use their real names. They don't use real photos of themselves. They go by aliases, and, you know, it's, it's really, it's very sad, and, but the way to tackle this issue is not by arresting one guy at a time, because these groups

are just massively getting larger and larger and larger, and new offshoot comes out. The second

one disappears, what happens is, you know, in my experience, parents, being aware of the issue, knowing what it is, knowing what to look for on their children's devices, that's going to cause a lot more impact, and, and fix this problem, or at least make a huge dent in this problem, rather than making the total of 30 arrests that have happened, and the five on name,

“maybe as a total of 35 arrests, since the inception, a couple of years ago. You know, I think”

a learning parent is going to do a way bigger, 35 people total have been arrested in five years. Yeah, well, I think it's like three or four years. I don't quote me on that, but it's not a lot, it's not a lot. It should be way more than that. It should be way more than that, but it's not, and these guys aren't some, like, crazy hackers, they're connected to hacking groups called the com. It's a, it's very deep. It's a long story, but, um, they're not like these elite hackers that

are impossible to find. You know, a lot of them are 16, 20 somethings that, you know, they'll, feel comfortable with somebody pretend that, or I'm sorry, they'll feel like they're actually their friend and disclose their real name or phone number or general idea where they live. And, um, if that person gets arrested, you know, they're snitching, you know, they're looking at 30 years of life or something, they're telling on everyone they can. So, but it's not as, as I said,

like, yeah, we can make as many arrests as possible, and I'm all for it, but, um, when it comes down to, you know, the, the scale of this issue, 130 35 arrests, let's just say it is, it's not

“nearly enough. So, I think educating parents is going to do a lot more, and that's why I'm doing”

these podcasts. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing these for parents. So, children, of course, where's the forum? You said there are these chat groups where this begins, where are those? So, I have some screenshots of, uh, of these mental health support groups, sometimes they're official, like, actual mental health support group, where a child may be having suicidal ideations, or, uh, eating disorder, or whatever it may be. And, uh, and these guys will join there,

looking for the child that's, uh, you know, that's suffering, and then they, they reach out to them and pull them out of that site. So, there's, there's the official real sites that should that really will help you for your mental health, um, and they're, they're, they're luring from there, and then they create their own fake ones, where they'll post on Twitter that'll say, you know, are you struggling with X, Y, Z, join this group. They join the group. Everybody's

all nice to you and friendly and bubbly, and then the second that you send that nude photo, and I'm sure, you know, if you, if, like, for me, when I was a kid, getting bullied in school,

for example, it's just, it's something that, at the time, I thought, it would never go away.

I thought that my life was over. I thought that no matter, you know, no matter what I did, like, nobody was ever going to like me, you know, and, and I relate with these, these kids, that when they send these nude photos, they think my life's ruined. You know, if this, this gets out to my school or to my family or to my, you know, boss or whatever it may be, that they're never going to come back from it. Like, yeah, they made a mistake. They shouldn't have

been sending a naked photo of themselves on the internet. I get that, but um, their life will be

“okay. It doesn't mean you have to end your life over it, and that's what these, these guys want”

you to do. They want you to hurt yourself to the point where they, they're recording it, they create, you know, content from it and send it to other groups and brag about what they're doing. And, um, you know, and the end result is, is them trying to get you to end your life and causes much violence and extreme extremism as possible. And like, like I said, I have video after video of

of fire, kicking old women down the steps. I could go on and on and on and it's very disturbing

stuff, but it's happening and kids are are susceptible to this and they're seeing like they're at risk. I mean, they're genuinely they're at risk. This is not me. I'm not like putting a tin foil hat on right now and saying like this is a problem. This is a problem. Like a significant one. So I would like to show you that. I know you're uncomfortable with it. I just want you to

“please do. Okay. Just as you're talking, I'm thinking like how did we get to a place like this?”

Evil. I think that, you know, we could get on a deep conversation about this, but I and people might say I'm nuts, but I believe that we're we could be in the end times. Like it's the world's pretty messed up right now. So yeah, the love between people will grow cold. That is predicted. It and it clearly has into hurt people for the for the pure joy of hurting them. That's it.

There is no other benefit. Yeah. And I've never seen anything like that in my life. You know,

I especially coordinated and and connected with real Satanist groups like order of nine angles, like a real Satanist group off of the internet. They have a direct connection with them as well. So they they identify as Satanist. I will say Russia banned Satanism, Putin banned Satanism. It's one of reasons they hate Putin. And if you look at who hates Putin the most, it's not the anti-sateness. Oh, you could say whatever you want, but a normal country who just banned this. Sorry,

you can't you can't try to vote a vote spiritual evil in my country because you'll destroy it. And they have. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's definitely legal what they're doing. There's some weird law with, you know, child sexual goose material C. Sam is obviously a child that's naked. But

when a child cuts their wrists or they do something like that, unless it is sexualized,

“it's not considered C. Sam. So I believe that the same way that we made an exception in the United”

States with AI generated child pornography or C. Sam, we made an exception that we, we treat that as the real thing. Because people post pictures of their kids all the time on social media. And I have these groups. I've screenshots of these groups, the 30, 40,000 users in them that are using other people's children with AI and putting them in vulnerable horrible positions. And it's like, I don't want to be the guy going on social media saying, "Hey, don't post your

child that you're so proud of because these guys are weirdos." But like, the size of these groups, they have a pretty good reason to say it. You know, and I can prove it. It's not me just saying it. Let me show you this group in particular. Like, like, I may put it in folders. And I've been this trigger warning here. You know, it's a lot tougher, so. Here, speaking, speaking to the mic here. There's a lot here. And it starts with the lowering,

which is, you know, this is some mental health stuff. Join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times. And you can see harm nation here. That's one of the things that they use. Harm nation. Yep. And you see that says come. So calm is connected to 764. So this, this looks like, okay, that looks like a younger girl doing this friendly server for, you know, to help you through your depression. Another one, outpatient wellness center. And then the description kind of

gives away what it is. No child form, no gore, leaking, no drugs, guns, or anything. You shouldn't have to be specifying that in a outpatient wellness group. And this is, there was a girl who did something horrible to herself as well, who was interested in gore sites. And she was a, you know, she, you know, she wasn't, she wasn't supposed to be looking at this type of stuff online, but she was interested

“in the edgy stuff. That makes sense. And that's what this is here. So it says, join if you are any”

of the following mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, skits, so borderline personality disorder, or fem cell, which means you have to be a little feminine as a guy. And then this is a direct invitation to, you know, just these groups where you're going to be lured and then eventually extorted. And then here turns into the grooming stage, which, you know, there's an entire checklist here. There's so many of these, like, 220 page documents on how, like, you know, I'll skip through

this. But it's saying, you know, that you can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X formerly known as Twitter, read it. And Instagram, once you've found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her, call her cute nicknames when when you have talked for a little while, like Princess darling, honey, et cetera. This will make her more attached to because females love being called

nicknames. Once you've talked for a while, you're going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which you most likely is going to say, yes, too. Now that she's under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like Nudes personal information. She doesn't do self. If she

guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you've done all of this. So there's like, you know,

guide after guide after guide and then literally grooming children in these chat logs here, which I'll skip over because there's just so much to read, you know, pretending to be nice and how much they love them. Please call me back. I love you. I'll do anything. And this is where things get a little more graphic. So the extortion steps are they else skipped through this as well. To start off for you, to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom. Without grooming,

you won't get any information or any news. And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following personal information, addresses name, phone numbers and nudes. And once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting, which I'm sure you're familiar with swatting, and leaking personal information, etc. She doesn't do, as you say,

if she doesn't do, as you say, examples make a blood sign, which means I cut yourself and

write on the walls, which I'll show you in a second here. Make a cut sign, which is cutting

user names into their body. Kill your cat, kill yourself, at the end, if you've done everything

“correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content,”

because no one wants to see some s-word cat scratches, which means like not cutting yourself deep enough. To be honest with you, that is nothing. That is not even 10% of how bad this gets. And I know that people that are watching this are not going to see these videos and pictures. I hope not. Because that's so upsetting that in this whole conversation came about because I was down at Sean Ryan's place in Tennessee, and he was overwhelmed and really wounded for real,

as a man, it was an ABC old scene a lot, and this just undid him for a time. And I can see why. I just feel like the only way that that's ever getting it fixed is not through law enforcement, federal enforcement. But through like Christian religious revival, I mean, only an atheist country could have stuff like that. It's unbelievable. It's sad and I agree with you,

“and I believe in God. I think that, you know, these people are the definition of evil. I can't”

find any other, any other justification of why this stuff even happens outside of evil. It does make you reassess this satanic sacrifice panic of the 1980s. We were told Dorothea Robinson of the, of the Wall Street Journal told us it was a panic. And I believe there there were a bunch of arrests in the 80s of these satanic cult rings that were abusing children. And there was a lot of evidence. It was real. But then there was some evidence that it wasn't

real. And like, I didn't know what to think. And then I remember thinking at the time, this was in the early 90s. Like, there's no way that could actually happen. They're not organized satanic groups, sacrificing animals, harming children, killing children, holding black masses, like this America man is weird. But it's clearly true. It's clearly true. And I and Tucker, I haven't, if you don't want to see it, but you know, I don't like to show you these people

in the masses, masses, these groups are not like five people in them. There's mass quantities of people in these groups that are doing this, this, you know, that are participating in this behavior, as well as, as well as trying to join these groups, they require proof of crime is what they call.

“So like, if you want to be a part of a specific group, you have to prove that you have victims.”

Whether that be digital victims that were sex-storted, or maybe you went out and murdered a homeless person, which is, I have a couple videos of homeless people being murdered. And, you know,

you know, one that will never leave my brain is that isn't, I just brought up the old woman.

He's on a call with somebody from the group. He, he kicks her down the steps and, you know, any starts just beating on her and then he slits her throat, you know, and you, you watch this and he's doing this live with somebody on a phone call laughing. And then you see him running through a field with a knife, it has blown all over it and, and it was just a senseless act of violence for, for evil. I mean, it's just evil. And it infuriates me so much to the point, and upsets me.

Of course, and that's why I talked about in the beginning, the compartmentalization, if I wasn't able to turn this off, I won't be able to function. I can't, you know, I, I'm, I'm not heartless. I do have a soul and, and I go to church twice a week and, you know, I pray to God that this stuff go, you know, not just this, but any type of child crime, just disappears. I know it's not realistic. I know that evil powers this country and I,

but, you know, I, I have to understand that my spot is to use my voice, use my experience,

use my time to educate as many people as I possibly can about these problems because, unfortunately, you know, one in four girls are hurt, you know, it's actually as children, one in 20 boys are in that number. What is that number end up being in the future? Especially if these victims, you know, not all of them, a large number of them reoffend in their lifetime. What happens in the next generation is they're going to be one in two girls and one in 10 boys,

and where does this end? So, so I pray that this, that this ends and parents actually open up, and they realize that these devices, like you hand your kid a phone and I've had a computer, a gaming console because, you know, it's almost like a babysitter to them. When I was a child,

which was only a 20 something years ago, my mom gave me a prepaid phone that I had to top up with

minutes, you know, and I'm sure people can relate to that. If she said, "Give me that phone, I wouldn't care." But these kids, that's their connection to the world. That's like trying to, it's like cutting off one of their hands, you know, that these phones are their connection to people, and if they're scared to come to you about something like what I just showed you, or somebody that's extorting them, are grooming them, or they don't know what grooming is,

and they can't, you know, they can't determine that they're being groomed, have any conversations with your kids, and knowing that they're going to come to you if something like this happens, even if it is embarrassing to them, could potentially save their life, you know,

“and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm not doing it because I enjoy looking at children cutting their lives.”

It's so bad. It's so bad for anyone to see those images, and I feel sorry for you, and I know

you know, a lot of people, I've seen some ugly things, not that, you know, nothing by comparison to an afternoon on the internet, though. Yeah, the internet's wild. The reason why there's any effort at all to, there's a lot of effort to police my political speech, any criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was instantly police, but is there any real effort to police this? So one thing going back to Robox is they banned vigilantes on their platform, slut being one of them. They put to explain what

that means. So a vigilante somebody that's taking the law into their own hands and swap, he got, I think it was six of them arrested with mug shots from the Robox platform. So he pretended to be a child on the platform, waited for people to message him, you know, but even as a civilian in trapmen doesn't exist, you have to be law enforcement for it to be in trapmen, but like he pretended to be, you know, just like a law enforcement officer, grown adults message him, he got six

arrest in a short period of time, and then Robox banned him from the platform and sent him the cease and desist in the mail. Why? Because he's a vigilante on the platform, and they believe that that causes more danger. And they put this ridiculous press release out that, you know, people can look into, from there, slept started to go public, he got a learning Robox. It's guy, I forget the guy's name, I can bring it up if he wants. It's a, it's a, it's a publicly traded company.

“But the CEO's name is escaping the at the moment. I think it's whatever, um,”

slept though, it is a younger kid, and he's been working with Chris Hanson on, you know, doing some awesome stuff and documentary. And unfortunately, he was groomed on the platform as a child, which is what motivated him to be a vigilante on the platform. And, um, you know, I, uh, I think that, you know, I, I just can't comprehend why a platform would, uh, you know, why a platform would ban the people that are helping, make it cleaner, you know, even if it is, and why do you think

what's the motivation there? I have no idea. Did they reach out to him and say thank you for what you've done? No, they did the opposite. They sent a cease and desist in the mail to his house, which is, you know, he posted it on Twitter and he, would they led you to do something wrong? Hey, I, I don't believe that, I think they just, for saying that it was a, it was dangerous or, like, I'd have to look at the press release with the exact words. I don't

want to get sued by Roblox. I'm trying to be careful with what I say here, um, but, uh, you know, this is all a factual. I mean, he was, they, they put out a press release that said it and that he did get a cease and desist. And there are all of that stuff happen, um, and from what I was told, they don't allow law enforcement to conduct investigations on their platform either. That doesn't mean the law enforcement doesn't, but they don't, they don't allow for it, supposedly. So I don't

understand what they're, they're, uh, what they're angling or what they're trying to do, uh, posturing to do for other words, but it's weird. It's just a strange thing. Well, if they're punishing the guy who is trying to punish the criminals, it's kind of like the defund the police, like, okay, then who said, are you one? Yeah, well, let me show you what their stock looks like now after

“just, you know, talking about that exact thing, uh, I think that a lot of people are in a”

agreement with us, uh, like, why would you, why would you do that? I mean, here's the six months

I'm what is the top article here, uh, understanding, understanding Roblox grooming problem, you know, for being the largest children's game, if the headline article is our grooming problem,

“then maybe you should do something about it or take bigger actions other than anything you don't want”

to go to hell for eternity. So that's also a good motivator, I think. I don't think many people in Silicon Valley are worried about hell and they should be. I agree with that. So it's, uh, it's, it is what it is, and it's very sad for me, and uh, and I don't want people to be, you know,

the people that don't know me at all, and they're just watching me for the first time to think

that I'm just consuming myself with evil for fun that I do this, and, and I, and these are acting investigations as well. I'm showing you the stuff that's publicly out there, but like, I'm, you know, I'm still trying to get them arrested. I'm still actively assisting in the arrest of these individuals, and more, um, can't talk about those cases, of course, but the, uh, but this public stuff, it's, it's, it's not fun for me. I, I feel like this is a purpose that was given to me by God,

and, um, I, I don't know how much you know about my story, if you've, if Sean told you, or I told you tell me. So I get a text message from my friend's wife, and, um, it had three screen shots in it, and at this time, I had no idea about it. Obviously, new predators are probably doing for a living, then. At that time, my own, uh, medical facility, so for substance use and, uh, and mental health. Yeah, I changed it from abuse to use, so we were thinking, um, I get a text message from my friend's wife,

and, um, it was three different screenshots of this horrible website that was on the clear web that anyone could visit. This is like not the quote unquote dark web that people talk about, that is really just the, it's called tour, the onion router. Um, on the clear web, anyone can see this website, and one of these three photos was a picture of a child that was sitting in a bathtub. You can see their back, like you could tell that they were nude, but you could just

see their back, and the title of the forum post said, um, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And underneath of it, all of these people will talk, we're talking about what they were going to do this person's child. So isn't my first time ever seeing anything like this,

and I, you know, I'm like, disgusted to, you know, on a level that I've never felt before. So I leave

where I'm at. I physically left the location of where I was at because, you know, I, I, I just had this switch flip in my brain that I didn't know I had. I don't have children. I wasn't abused as a child, like, you know, like, like, I, I, is had to have been a god thing for me. So I go home with the intention on of, of trying to probe around this website and take it down, which without all the technical details for the nerds that are listening, um, like I was going to do a distributed

denial service attack. Just keep the site shut down. Like it would have been impossible to load the site, which is a very simple easy attack to do. It sounds crazy, but it's a very easy one. But I got

“lucky, uh, if you want to say lucky, I got lucky that they use the forum called Zen Furo, and they”

use the, they use the theme that happened to be nulled, meaning they didn't pay for access to use this theme. And that theme gave me access to their, their entire server, which included their entire database. So now this website that is absolutely terrible, that's, that children are on selling themselves, that people are on looking for that type of material, and chatting about it and it, and it on an open forum that anyone can read, um, I now have full access to their entire site to,

to download anything I want, and to try to uncover who, who's running it. So I, uh, I, I start to have a little bit of common sense, because I, I met gotten a journal in Russia at this point when I realized I have access to this, um, at common sense, started to kick in. If you download all of this data, you're going to be in possession of CSAM, and, uh, and I didn't know what the term CSAM back then, I just used the term child porn, and, um, you know, I don't like the word child porn

personally, and implies consent, but I knew that if I downloaded this database, I cannot include images, uh, videos, any attachments, because when I go to deliver this to law enforcement, I don't want to get wrapped up in anything like that. The last thing I need is somebody

“Google searching, rhyme on gummery, and then something like that horrible comes up, you know?”

So I thought about that even back then, and, um, I wrote a script to extract the database, and the first user that was, and I'm, and exclude all that stuff. The first user in that database was a politician in Virginia named Nathan Larson, and, uh, and he's a little bit of a whack-job politician, but he was, you know, running for Congress, uh, the guy as a libertarian, uh, I believe so,

I believe so, um, he, uh, yeah, so Nathan Larson was running this website, never heard of him

before at that time, and, uh, I start, you know, export the database for 7,000 total people in this database across four different backups that were on the server. It was just a combination of how many users. So, this is my, this is my beginning, my, I go from not knowing anything about

So, I reach out to, um, my attorney first actually, I believe it was, but I reach out to him who

“who reached out to the task force in the local, like the Palm Beach County task force I think it was,”

or Broward one or the other, um, and then ic3.gov, uh, National Center for Misthenics, uh, Nick McNational Center for Misthenics, and exploited children, um, and then 11 different media stations, because there was a six-month gap in between law enforcement, not ever showing up at my door, like I thought they were going to, and then I was like, okay, well, I'm just bringing this to the media, because I feel like they may take action if I, uh, you know, go to the media.

So, I, um, I read, I, I spoke to, to all both all sides, left, right, metal, you know, whatever. I'm politics really isn't my thing. So, I spoke to all and any reporter that would take the time to talk to me. Every single one of them was interested in running the story. They, not one of them were saying, like, you know, we're, we don't want to take this story. Um, they all came back with almost unidentical answer that their legal team was not willing

to run it for liability reasons, for legal reasons, or how the data was obtained. So, my rebuttal to that was, um, you know, just run it without my name, run it without any of the legally quote unquote obtained material. Just let people know that this website exists, that there's children on here that are selling their body, all, you know, let them let parents know that this is happening, not one of them run the story. So, I'm very aggravated at this point that nobody

wants to run anything. Six months goes by Nathan Larson's in my Google alerts. I get a notification Nathan Larson's arrested with a 13 year old girl in Denver, Colorado that he kidnapped and raped. And, um, I was so aggravated because every one of those articles, I know that could have been

prevented if they listened to me in the first place. There's 7,000 other people in this database

that have nothing has happened to at this point. Um, and I didn't want to just leak it to the internet because if I leaked it to the internet and there were parents, concern parents on there which it would have been hard for that to happen because the application process to become a

“user, you have to answer some wild questions, but even under covers. I didn't want to leak the”

database and it potentially do what like Ashley Madison did, you know, like, people killed themselves over that leak. Um, so, you know, I, I'm waiting all this time, you know, Law Enforcement is not helping. Media is not helping. Nathan gets arrested with this little girl and they don't include the website at all and any articles. Like, they talk about him being a person that ran for Columbus. You've seen like, you know, you've heard the story, but you probably haven't heard about

the websites that he was running home. And, um, you know, 7,000 people is, you know, it's not a crazy number, but it's a lot of pedophiles and one spot. And if I got all of their email addresses and all their user names and all their private messages and everything you need, I don't know why this wouldn't be a case on a on a golden platter or silver platter for for law enforcement. So I was very angry at that point and the only thing that I could think to do because I didn't have

the network I have now. You know, I, I'm just a computer hacker that owns healthcare facilities and I'm kind of staying in the dark. So I was like, you know, I see these vigilante predator groups on YouTube and at that time, it wasn't like they are now. There's a ton of them that exist now where they go out. They have decoys to pretend their kids and then they go out and confront them one by one and um, I sell back then. There are only like, you know, a few of them on YouTube,

not a ton. So I asked them, um, because one, I'm sorry, I'm skipping a little bit of head here. So those groups that were there, uh, I noticed that in the videos where they're confronting these predators where they believe they're meeting up with a real child and then they get confronted by an adult similar to how Chris Hanson was doing it with law enforcement. They were just doing it without law enforcement. They wouldn't know the person's name a lot of these groups or where they

worked or what their wives name was or what kind of car they drove or any details about them that would just show up. So I was like, okay, that's where my value could come in. I can identify these people and uh, and I, you know, there's a better chance of this guy staying if you know where he works. If you know what he does and all of his personal details, he's got a better chance of not just turning around and getting back in his car and driving away. So I reach out to

these channels. I offer, you know, to provide them with a full case file on anyone that they send, you know, identifiers to and uh, a few of them accepted. And for a couple of years, I uh, I did that. So I was, I was helping these channels anonymously. It wasn't put in my name out there. It wasn't

“asking for any money. I just wanted to help. And that's what made me feel better about nothing”

happening in the first place with this one website with the politician. Then skip, you know, skip

those two years of me doing that, uh, a friend of mine, a professional MMA fighter. We started and there's a reason why I say that. He's a professional MMA fighter. Um, and we're sitting in a garage. I'm telling him this exact story. I pop open a chat room. I show him, you know, the how bad this problem is, uh, again demonstrating that it can happen anywhere anytime. Unfortunately, zero effort required. Um, and he is more than willing to start a group with me to catch these guys in our local

And um, once he starts doing that, and he's got a little bit of a social media following and

people start watching, you know, us catch predators on behind the camera. Uh, and he's, you know, the face of it reading the chat logs through these predators one by one. Um, couple of the podcast that focused on MMA one to talk to him. And, uh, and, uh, and asking, you know, about catch predators, he brought me along on these podcasts. And one of them asked me the question, how did you get started? So that question right there is what changed the complete trajectory of my life.

Like, we wouldn't be sitting here right now if that question wasn't asked. And, you know, like the butterfly effect type of situation. But um, they asked that question. I explained that there's this case. I still had all that data. Still nothing done with it legally. I just have this database of all these people. Nothing done. And from there, I have all kinds of media reaching out the next day because they're a clip from that podcast got 10 million views and less than 24

hours on a on a smaller podcast. I wake up and my inbox is full. My phone's getting phone calls. We've been emails and everybody wants to hear the story. Nobody want to listen to me the day before. But not only I want to hear it because it went viral on social media. And one of those people

was Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan is, and I didn't know Sean at this time. We never even spoke to each

other. But he saw my clip. And he was like, I want to get your message out there. And he took a huge chance on me. Because I could have been lying. I could have been nut job. It's a friend. I might have been making this whole story up. But Sean took me, you know, took the chance on me. I've not only that it was truthful. But the chance of releasing that type of content with screenshots and chat logs and all this stuff on YouTube with the chance that you might lose his channel. So I go in

there in the Sean Ryan show. I'm wearing like a t-shirt. I say this a lot. But I'm wearing an oversized t-shirt. Paleer than I am now. I'm skinny. I'm hesitating on my words. I got lights in my face. I probably drink eight bottles of water. I'm so nervous. Not because of talking about what I wanted to get out there. I just not used to being on a podcast. It's just wasn't my thing. I finished it up after we talked about gadgets, which we'll get into. I want to show you some fun,

happy stuff in a minute. But you know, I start doing that and then I get into this stuff.

“And I walk out of the studio and I ask Sean, I'm like, hey man, how do you think that went?”

Be honest with me? Because I really felt like I messed it up. And he was like, yeah, man, I think it went pretty well. And him and I both didn't think we're going to make it five minutes on YouTube. Because they're pretty strict sometimes when it comes to, especially when you show with that type of content. So we didn't think it was going to make it more than five minutes. And I was okay with that. I was like, okay, fine. At least I tried. I did everything I possibly could.

Sean sends me a text as soon as it's released. Pretty close to as soon as it was released. And I'm sure you've seen this one of 10. Meaning your video is doing well. And I didn't know it meant I just Sean said that it was doing well. It became his biggest podcast that he's ever done. Still current day on Apple Spotify YouTube combines. Got hundreds of millions of views. A total of with the short billions of views. And I'm not saying this because I'm some note-noteworthy

“individual that at the time that would have brought that type of traffic in. I think what happened”

is people could resonate and understand that this is not something that is an uncommon problem. It's something that's a taboo topic that people don't talk about until it happens or happens to someone around them or happens in their family. And I'm showing the significance of the problem, not just with my words, but with factual evidence and especially with a live demonstration of it happening on the podcast. And Sean and I got very close. And now I mean this is kind of my

first time announcing this. But I'm the godfather of Sean's child. I'm in a very close and that means

a lot to me. That's his first born child. And I don't want to go into detail about his personal stuff. But that Sean gave me the OK to say that. And I love the guy very much. And he took a chance on me that nobody else would. And there's a whole other story with that you might be interested in with Project Baritows getting involved and then fumbling it. And there are interim CEO telling me the story wasn't a title wave and they threw it out. But the journalist, a Project Baritows

tried very hard. They did expose a few people in that original database. They tried to partner up with Sean on the release of it, but completely failed. Why do you think that Project Baritows

“wouldn't run it? I think they're just extremely incompetent after James O'Keefe either left or”

was fired, whatever actually happened there. And no one really knows except for him. And I genuinely don't, I don't even know him personally. But they reach out. They said they want to do it. The journalist spent a ton of time uncovering these people and showing up where they were at recording them undercover

And how do all this evidence? But since it didn't make it into the New York post for the New York

Times, they weren't willing to continue with the story. And then I looked into the, you know, I looked into the circulation on those, whatever one it was, press for the times or post for the times. And the circulation was like a tenth of what, you know, a small influence or on social media would be getting in, you know, that year. So it made no sense to see the interim CEO, her name is Hannah Giles. I don't know if her familiar with her, but she's same. Okay. So Hannah gets on the phone with me

and says that this story is not a tight away. And if that completely shut down, their journalists on the other hand were very upset about it because they, they really carried it as a passion project for them. The management team, they, they just threw it out. But Sean Ryan was the one that pushed the story so far that allowed me to get involved with federal law enforcement to work with that foundation to deal, you know, now I've worked with every agency under the sun.

You name the acronym, I've worked with them. And it's, you know, it's a blessing that I never thought

“whatever happened for me. It's a very dark path that I chose to take. But I believe that I did it”

for the right reasons. And I told Jay, I pray I pray to God every single night that if you don't want this in my life to take it away from me, you know, and it just, you know, unfortunately keeps getting worse. So you made reference earlier to organized groups that are behind this almost inconceivable effort to make children harm themselves, um, Satanous groups, what are those groups? So there's a few of them that that I'm familiar with or that I've seen, I guess is a better way to put it. And it just

actually reminded me of a conversation I want to show you, um, because a lot of it's senseless. So like the, you know, like the, it's all senseless, but, you know, even if they believe that what they're doing is right. So the order of nine angles is one that I believe has been around a long time, the order of nine angles. Yeah. Oh, nine A they go by, um, they, they believe in a thing called calling, which is like, you know, they believe that they get power by harming other people.

“They do. Um, that's a real spiritual principle. That's what human sack, that's what a”

abortion is. That's what human sacrifice is. Understood. That's what, you know, every ancient religion was about that, um, from the Canaanite still present. Uh, yeah, that's like that is literally double worship. You get power from from hurting other. And they, they believe that. I mean, they, they openly talk about it and, and use the words calling is calling calling. Yeah. Oh, nine A. Oh, nine A. And then, uh, I saw the reference recently to, uh, NLM, no lives matter. And um,

and if you don't mind, I could pull that. I want to show you this conversation because the guy is, you know, one of them is selling tickets to his suicide. And another one is he wanted to be murdered by, you know, suicide by cop. But instead of just letting it happen that way, he was talking to one of these, these cultists, and, and he was deciding, uh, you know, should he, you know, murder a bunch of people on the way out, and what group is he going to do it for? You know, like, just, you

know, right, you don't need to, I mean, what we're watching is like, you know, a country that needs an exorcism. It seriously does. And that, that conversation, if you don't want to say that's okay, it's a, it's a, it's a guy that is just, he's ready to end his life, like, and I don't support hurting yourself in any way, shape or form or stuff. But if you're going to do that, don't bring other people out with you. The whole point of it is, I mean, suicide's an exorcistility,

anyone has been around it can affirm that. Um, so yeah, by the way, Jesus cast the demons, the

legion of demons out of the man into the herd of pigs was the first thing I do to kill themselves.

Oh, yeah. So like, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's so obviously, um, the product of, of possession, uh, order of nine angles. What does that mean? Nine angles. Hey, I genuinely don't know. But it's been around a while. Been around a while, yeah. Yeah, I do know that part. And these are groups that are just like internet groups.

“Yeah, but I think order of nine angles also has physical members that are not just internet.”

There's a combination between them and like let's just say 764 and said it, because there's a ton of subgroups that go underneath it that they do exactly the same thing. Um, they have connections to these real life groups that like, you know, that will go out and, you know, protest something or go burn a, burn a building down or it. If you've ever heard of them, like, you know, I don't want to go off completely off to a different topic here, but we, we brought up swadding temporarily.

Um, you know what swadding is? I do. Okay. So I've been swadded three times, just talking about these, these things online, um, by these these guys. And, uh, you know, telling people that there's, there's, uh, you know, I got, which I don't even have a wife, but my wife is tied to a chair. I got bombs in the windows. And I'm going to kill any cop that comes in the door. And, you know, I request

information act. They're just requested from dispatch. And I hear it. So I've been like, you know,

it doesn't sound anything like me and any of these calls. Um, but swad teams are coming to my house and they want, and now they got the last one. They called my phone in advance and told me, hey, we got officers around the corner like, "Good, you mind just coming out front to make sure everything's all good." And I'm out there with my coffee cup and did a little 360 around. And like, you know, they're, they just are trying to torture me. And they've been harassing my family.

They, uh, you know, they've threatened my friends, they've threatened my knee, the death threats. They, like, you know, you name it, they've done it. What I find baffling is that you and I are talking about these groups. You're naming them. They've harmed you. They clearly harmed or killed

“other people. What kind of effort is there at the FBI to, to find these people and prosecute them?”

It's just, it's, it's not, um, it's, I don't think that it's a lack of passion. I think that, you know, HSI, for example, all their focusing on right now is immigration. Like, people are literally leaving their jobs because all the, like, the actual, from, from what I've been told, they are, you know, they're not focusing on investigations, especially in child crimes. You know, they're just focusing on immigration. FBI, on the other hand, um, I don't think the passion is in there. I think the

problem is the resources and the, the skill set and the training that, that, that doesn't exist. Um, well, a few of active Satanist groups trying to kill people in your country. It seems like that would be a part of it. I mean, I know it's not like January 6th level priority, but like somewhere on the list, you would have to want to address that, right? Totally understand, and they, they are addressing it, but not, not in the, not to the ability that I know that they could, um,

so, you know, it kind of segwayed into me coming up with an idea. Because we send, with certain foundation, we send people all over the world to train law enforcement on how to use new tools

and how do I identify people the same way that identify do? Like, the first way, you know,

I sort of, first 10 minutes of our show, um, training law enforcement like how to do those things, so that they could go off of an identifier like a username or a profile photo or a phone number, or whatever it may be. Let's say it's just a license plate, or I, I'd even had a one guy, I remember the story, but he had a, he was, it was like a plumber, you know, and you can see the logo of the plumbing company and a little portion of his face, and I was able to locate him

just based on where he worked. I didn't even know what city or town that he lived in or name, and I went through the fake, it's simple, but effective went through the Facebook comments of that particular business. I did a reverse image search, not face search, reverse image search of the logo for the plumbing company, found their Facebook profile, and then was able to locate him based off of, you know, a little portion of the picture that I could identify him as.

It took us a lot of light work, there was no automation, there was no advanced technology there, but sometimes open source intelligence is, is, is simple and sometimes is extremely advanced.

“And that's why people like myself and other people that are working in this space, you know,”

if they, if they're good with open source intelligence, because it doesn't just apply to child crimes, it applies to any crime, identifying where somebody is out or what they're doing, or what something is, or details about a particular thing, should be a skill set of all law enforcement. I believe, and we're doing a great job at that with Sentinel, but then with PenTester, we made a product called OcentPilot that, you know, instead of training and sending people all

over the world in country, they can just conversational talk, this is only for law enforcement, by the way, this is not for consumers, the PenTestor product itself is for consumers, but OcentPilot, if you're law enforcement, reach out to us, we'll help you out. There's no training required. So, you type in a person, let's just say, it was that guy that had a logo of a plumbing company on his shirt, and his face wasn't really that visible, and there wasn't much to go off of.

Our tool will take that image, it will take the description, it'll search, you know, search everything you would do by hand, we have over 40 tools implemented into it. And about 10 minutes later, you'll have a 30 or 40 page report on that individual, if it was something you was able to find. Obviously, the more identifiers you add,

the more effective it's going to be, but we made something that's never been done before,

and it requires no training. Like you said, you don't have a computer, you never use a computer, I guarantee you that if I said, hey, find, you know, John Doe, here's your identifier that you have, the last four digits of his phone number, and you know, he lives in this city, and his, you know, first name, and, you know, the last initial, that tool will find him. And even if you didn't know to put that information in, our tool will tell you, you know, it'll tell you what to provide it.

So it's something that we, we built, we're super proud of it, and, um, it's, you know, that's,

“that's what I believe the FBI should be doing, HSA, everybody should be reaching out to”

not only myself, but anybody that's willing to provide these Ocent resources, or,

of intelligence that, you know, more people out there than myself are doing, but, you know, just my opinion.

Yeah, it just seems like an emergency if you have, uh, you know, Satanist groups working to kill Americans and their children. I don't know, I mean, I know, you know, they're not Iranian, but that would seem like something we should be really working to. It shouldn't be a computer nerd like myself digging through these chat rooms or, or satin or foundation, we should be working in, and a lot of times we're working in tandem with federal law enforcement, like with

all of these cases, but when it comes to the, the mass scale, you're absolutely right. It's not, it's not being prioritizing the way that we're prioritizing it. Yeah. I mean, it's everything that will destroy you and your family. What is that box of gadgets right there? I got a lot of gadgets

“for you, and I think that you're going to like them. So we, let's, yeah, let's get this a better”

house. No, I don't know if that's happy or not. I'm afraid of gadgets too. Oh, no, it's a different type

of fear. The other ones are more of, yeah, I'll show you. I'm almost messed with you, and I don't want to give away where we're at right now, but downstairs is a very unique place, right? And um, there's a lamp that happened to be sitting there. I don't know, you know, you probably don't even know it's there, but to the left of the couch is a lamp sitting there. And this right here, my friend, uh, his name's Peaks. He took a regular bowl, ball full of Amazon's called, uh,

wise, like, and he made a bunch of different ones. So like you could buy this smart bowl, bon Amazon, and make it change colors. Essentially, he's all that it does. He, uh, he put modified software or firmware onto this bulb. And I can match the colors of your other bulbs. Let's say I was in your bathroom going to, you know, using it, swapped out a bulb and left your

“office. Now I have an implant that I can monitor your, your Wi-Fi, or we're trying to pivot from this”

device to your other devices and take over your computers in, you know, in your house or your office. Um, and, uh, you know, I could show you if you had a lamp, I could show you, but, you know, would tell me what it does. So I leave that in your house and then I get to do what. So leave this in, in a house, for example, the goal would be to access your, your, your network. So I would knock your devices off line with it. It has the ability to do that,

um, which, you know, I, it's called a deal authentication attack. And then from there, you capture what's called a handshake. And then I could try to crack your Wi-Fi password from that handshake. Once I have that, now this light bulb is on your network with the rest of your computers. And, um, you know, from, from there, I could try to pivot from the bulb onto your computers with your sensitive information and, and files and, you know, anything. Or I could start to

reroute your traffic with, it's called DNS, uh, to fishing pages and try to steal credentials. I mean, this light bulb could, could be, you know, how router is connected to the internet. Yes. I could trick your computer into believing that this light bulb is the router. So I have the way I'm routing the internet through the bulb. It can do a lot more than that. I'm just trying to simplify it a little bit. And I can communicate with that light bulb from afar. Um, and in this, this bulb, no,

“I have to, you have to be within Wi-Fi range. Yeah. There are other devices that are in plants”

that you could at a distance with SIM cards or, or other means, um, or if they're plugged directly into the back of a computer, you know, like I do have one of those in my bag that

you would never know. You would never own plug it because it looks like it's supposed to be there.

That one connects, you know, I could be in Guatemala and I could have complete control over that device from Guatemala. Um, wow. Yeah. So that's, that's, that's the, the hackers nightlight. I thought that was kind of a cool, you know, that is cool. And you know, think of it like this. Like these, that's this is a real brand. This is not something that he, they paid to prototype. He hacked the bulb itself. And, um, you know, imagine a company like this either getting hacked, like compromise,

or like a lot of these come from China. So let's say a Chinese company goes rogue, which I don't think is too crazy to think about modern day. And, um, sends out custom firmware for these bulbs that does something malicious on your home network. You know, what if it gains access to your computer or to your, uh, Amazon, Alexa or whatever it may be. And now they're listening to your in your house or they're, you know, just trying to steal your passwords or doing whatever

they're doing or collecting data or intel, um, which there's so many examples of that here from another one. Uh, so the same guy, uh, just buying smart, you know, I called internet of things or smart home devices straight off the internet. This is just a smart plug that looks, I mean, you can look at it. There's nothing, nothing special. What, what makes it smart? It connects to Alexa and Wi-Fi. So you can turn something on or off. Just a simple gadget that you can buy on Amazon.

Okay. You know, and let's say, so you, you plug this in, plug the lamp or whatever into this. And then rather than actually just moving your fingers and turning it off, you tell

turns the lamp on. That is essentially the same as the light bulb. So that will monitor, you know,

“the network and, and still work just as, as it, that was out of the fact. I don't want to be”

judging, but the idea of like having Alexa in my house or anything like this in my house is just bizarre to me. Yeah. Why would you do that? So my personal reason is, uh, I can see the traffic going in and out of my house. I know that the microphone has to be listening at all times to look to listen for the word Alexa. Um, I'm aware of that, but I know that my conversations and last I say the word Alexa are not being sent to Amazon server. So I'm personally not scared of it,

but I do know that if somebody really wanted to, they could use those devices to listen or see inside my house. That is the fact. Well, of course. Yeah. Even I know that. Yeah, of course.

But I'm okay with the risk there personally, which brings me to a topic that is a little bit more

scary. Okay. Um, so, you know, I don't know what your setup is at home with cameras, with your garage door, with your car, you know, if you, you know, but have you ever seen, have you ever seen anything like this before? No. So what this device would do and the usage of it is illegal. So if I press that button, we're both committing a federal crime, you know, not me, man. Yeah, we're not pressing the button today. Okay. Unless, you know, unless you want to, but this is called a

jammer. So what this does is it, it's going to shut down every single cell phone in this entire building, 70 meters. Um, it's going to turn off GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth at all of it. It's going to jam all all signals that are important, which means your wireless cameras are not going to work. Your Bluetooth, you know, microphones, your, everything. You can't call 911. You have no way, unless you have a landline hidden around here somewhere. The alarm system in this place that likely

has a cellular connection can't contact you might hear the alarm going off, but nobody's, nobody's getting a notification that you're being robbed or anything. This device can cause a serious problem in your life, especially with the, the video cameras and alarms and phones. Um, there is no solution for this problem, you know, and, and it brings me, how does that work? So what it does is like imagine, um, a, like, a way to put this into an analogy would be,

okay, we're in a small room, right? And if I screamed at the top of my lungs and then I told you to tell me a story, well, I'm screaming. If somebody was sitting over there, um, I, you know,

“they may not be able to hear your story because I'm screaming. That's what this is doing. It's”

screaming at the top of this long 70 meters and signals can't, they're just so garbled by the time they make it out of that range, that it, that it, you know, the 70 meter range, they don't work. So it's just immediately the second I press in that button, everything goes on. What's the cancer risk from being near something like that when it's on? I mean, it definitely puts the ton of EMFs out, but I don't think much more than your average

radio. I mean, you're surrounded. I could show you a pretty wild example of that right now without turning anything on. Uh, this is just blue tooth alone. Check this out.

I always show this to people that talk about EMFs because I, you know, you can not avoid them.

You're right here. Here, you could just pass to me because that here's just the, you can scroll down. You see the colors, there's scroll down on the colors. They're all the, just they're just the Bluetooth devices that are within 30 feet of us. That's just Bluetooth. So, you know, an agent cellular, you've got GPS, Wi-Fi, you got radio, you have, you know, from CDMA, GSM, 4G, LTE, literally all cellular signals,

they're all hitting us. So if we got 50 Bluetooth devices in this building, which, you know, or more, and might have been more than 50 there, you're being all these signals are passing through

“your regardless. The ionizing radiation, as the ones you should worry about, like 5G and being close”

to a 5G tower. I believe that those are dangerous, you know, especially at long-term exposure. But no matter how protected you are unless you live in the middle of nowhere with, you know, no signal to anything, or you put your house on what's called a Faraday cage, like you're getting penetrated by these signals, whether you like it or not. What if you're sitting on an airplane using Wi-Fi? Same exact thing, and you're even getting ultraviolet because, you know, the higher you go up,

the less protection you have in the cloud. Let's get skin cancer. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So. Yeah, I mean, it's almost unavoidable in my opinion. So that jammer right there is commercially available. Yeah. So they're illegal to buy. They're not illegal to own, but they're illegal to use. So of course, I found this on the highway on my way here. Yeah. But if you wanted to buy one illegally, where would you buy it? China. China is a primary place selling them, and a lot of

the websites are scammed. So luckily criminals that want to buy them will likely get ripped off.

right person to buy it from. Does it work? Yeah. It does work. Yeah. It definitely works. And I've

“used it. I'm a publicly used it. I know that it's a crime, but I've used it in controlled settings.”

But if I wanted to like, stage a home invasion, I'd turn that on first. Yeah. And I've shown examples on social media with even smaller versions of this, which I want to show you, because it relates to Iran and the drones. And I want to show you something interesting with that. But I showed a device similar to this that disabled my doorbells and disabled everything by just, you know, clicking a button because it overwhelms that signal. And when the device doesn't

have storage on it itself, like a lot of these new cameras, they rely on the cloud. If they can't

connect to the cloud, then the storage, I'm sorry, then the footage never existed. So the repeat

that if you have a cloud-based camera or wireless camera, if it loses connection to the internet

“or the cloud, the videos are gone, the images are gone, there's no way to recover it. So if somebody”

gets a hold of a jam or if you just happen to lose internet, you have no cameras anymore. You have no footage. You have no, you know, you have no way to know somebody's approaching your house. Or where if you weren't home, that somebody entered your house, it's just as if it didn't happen. So using wired cameras is the solution to that problem. And that goes for, you know, I've shown some examples on the news with the hacking garage doors and opening cars and being able to duplicate

keyfabs and, you know, capturing those signals out of the sky, you know, you would never know

that that's happening. So your house and I could go in a whole thing about safety with your house. But one little advice while it's on my mind is if your house is connected, I'm sorry, if your garage door is connected to your house and there's a door that enters your house from your garage, treat that door like it's your front door because I could be standing 100 feet, 200 feet away from your garage and when you go and click that button in your car to open the door, I can capture

the signal for a very large number of the manufacturers and I can forever gain access to your garage door. And I've demonstrated it over and over again in many different places, you know, one of the largest streamers on the internet, Aiden Ross, I hacked his gate the same way, I have forever access to Aiden Ross's gate where he's got millions of dollars worth of merchandise, cars and, you know, it's all with a simple gadget. So I want to show you that. Sorry, I don't want to cut you.

No, that's amazing. So just imagine, imagine that you're sitting in a Walmart parking lot as a

criminal. You're a criminal and you're sitting in this parking lot. So I could be using a device like, which I'll explain what this is in a second. But this device you could buy, it's not going to do this out of the box. This is custom the dark web firmware that's bought from Russians that, you know,

“it's, you know, right now, $2,900, I believe we didn't pay for it. We, like, the people that gave it”

to me hacked the hacked firmware. So it's like a double hacked section. But I got to hold it that way. And let me just, so grab this keyfum. And I'll show you if there's battery in this keyfum. Okay, three. Is that how people steal cars? So you can't steal a car with this, but you can get in the back seat of a car with this. You could, you know, okay, here we go. You cannot steal a car with, with this, you can, but you can completely duplicate this keyfum. So I can pop the trunk. I can, you know,

enable the alarm. I can lock and unlock it. All it takes is me just pressing any button on here. Doesn't matter which button. So, can I show you, can I remember there? Yeah. I just don't know how this comes here. So you see how it's, it's saying fixed scan. It's listening on this frequency here, which usually keyfubs are going to operate in either 315 megahertz or 433 megahertz. If I have that running at all times in a Walmart parking lot, like when I hit the lock button,

let's say this is the lock button. Every time I hit lock, a new one comes up as you see. So let's say I saved this. And if you look here, it says Kia Hyundai, which is what this is right here. And then if I just do, let's just say, so about this network. All right, I'll just do zero. One. Here we go. So when I hit this, now I don't have the keyfubs anymore. Imagine I have

button they pressed. They couldn't hit lock, unlock, whatever. So I hit this. That's lock.

“Unlock, see how it says open their trunk. And if you see here, every single time that I click the”

button, you see that number at the end is changing. One, 55, one, f, seven, one, six, e, one, see. So it's going in sync with the keyfob, knowing what the next code is going to be. And all I need to do now is walk around the parking lot and start hitting the lock and unlock button and look for what car it was. So I could, you know, let's say it's Christmas or it says the holiday or let's say I'm a a dangerous person. I could sit in the back seat of someone's car, wait for them to get in it

and make someone's worse fear come true. That's amazing. So, you know, luckily, which I'll explain

this over here. Luckily, this is not something that's easy to get your hands on right now. You can buy one of these devices for 170 bucks, but it's not going to be much more than, you know, like something that could turn a TV on or off or like last night and in the place that you guys put me in, I hacked the light in there. Like where I could turn the light on and off and I could you know, change the speed of the fan in the room. You know, just just for fun. You know, I

thought, it's much content as I can get out here. I'm going to do this. So, you know, this device can do that type of stuff. But it isn't going to open a garage door or hack a car, like, you know,

“like I just showed you here. The same method with a garage door is identical. That's what I just”

showed you with this keyfob. So, my advice to everyone, and it's including you Tucker, is if you're

garage connects to your house, deadbolt that thing, like it's your front door, because it just takes a sophisticated enough criminal to jam signals and then, you know, open your garage door and enter your house. You know, so I am sure you're a believer in protecting yourself with firearms. That's the next step. You know, you take technology out and then, you know, then you have the hands on and what your other solutions are. But yeah, firearms are the only technology I trust

just being honest. They work well. You know, they're better than 5G. They make better needs than dress striker fire pistols. I'm a revolver guy. That's how you could put a revolver right up against them, but, you know, if they worry about that. Well, that's the only distance that I would be effective with a revolver, because that's why cops used them, right? Wasn't it? So, they did use them. Yeah. Then they were talked into the striker fire pistols in the early 90s

and accidental shootings just went off the chart and, you know, whatever. I've got a lot of thoughts on ballistic. But yeah, no. But the point is, you know, you don't ever want to be in a position. We have to harm somebody. Of course. I'm opposed to that. But you can trust a revolver, whereas you can't trust a security system. What is that? So, this is called a nine box. And this is a, you know, an interesting, interesting convention. So, friends of mine,

there's this hacking conference in Vegas that happens every year called Defcon. And it's the largest one in the world. And 30,000 or so hackers go there from all over the world. And they meet with each other. What's the bar scene like at night at the hacker conference? Oh, my gosh. It's, you, you, you can, you can envision it already. I can't. Long hair, neckbeards. Yeah, totally. But, you know, it does actually. It smells bad. Yeah. Got it. It's a, it's exactly what you think it is.

And there's theories there. You know, a theory is? No. Furi. A theory. Yeah. For theories. You know, I got the Delco accent. Yeah. But yeah, there's theories. There's, you know, there's some normal hackers out there. I like to consider myself a normal one. Maybe I'm not. But then there's some real nuts. Just you're at the high end of normal. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much, sucker. Not a furry. No. Okay. Good. So, I'm at Defcon. And, a non-furry comes

up to me. And, and shows me this, this thing. And he was like, hey, man, take this. It's 3D printed. I don't know if you're, you know, a 3D printer. That's worse. It's this entire thing, even the multiple colors. 3D printed. I was like, super impressed, especially with these ears because they're so, you know, like, they feel like, well, I just broke it. But this side is strong. It was probably already broken.

“Whatever the case is, it's strong. 3D print. I was like, wow, that's impressive. That's what I said to the guy.”

And then, you know, I, I didn't really know what he was giving me. I just put it around my neck because it came on, you know, on a lanyard. And I turned it on later on. And I see it's got all these crazy features. And I'll show you. So, I'll read some of them so it makes sense to you. There's so it's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and other. And I started to go through it and I'm like, wow, these guys,

it's a lot of like everything. One second. What does it do? So, I'm going to show you, it does a lot.

And it's jam packed into this tiny device that they put a couple different devices inside of them and then 3D printed around it. So, it's got a drone detector, a drone spoofer, flock camera. You know, a familiar flock? No. Flocker, these cameras that are, you know, the United States, it's a private company that's working with law enforcement. They're whole, of course. Yeah.

is invading in my opinion on everybody's privacy. So, this is detecting flock cameras and flock devices. There's a device scout option on here that means a contract to see what devices could potentially be following or tracking you. So, like, if somebody was through through a device in your car, this could tell you, you know, that that's happening. So, you, like, without you having a physically find it, because things can only track you in certain ways, whether it be cellular, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi,

like, her, some type of EMFs are going to be coming off of that device. And this case, it's going to be

“looking for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. But when I think you'd be most interested in here is a Ken Jam,”

so I can do the video cameras, remote control cars, you know, and any type of signal Wi-Fi, but not as effective as that giant one I just pulled out. Yes. The drone detector and drones booth for is something that I think is kind of interesting because this is a consumer device. You could buy this from them. They're willing to buy it. They're willing to sell it to you on

their website. And the first thought you probably are having is why would they sell a device that

can do these things, you know, why, because it can cause damage, you know, it even has a body can detector for axiom that the brand police used for body cans. Like, why would somebody need something like this? And, you know, the answer to it is penetration testing goes good and bad, you know, like there's, like, we have a company that people hire us to pretend like we are the hackers. We find all the vulnerabilities before an actual attacker does so that you can text them.

The point of this device is essentially the same thing. You're treating it, you know, you're treating the engagement as if it's a real one. So with the drone spoofer, for example, which I want to explain to you about this stuff because it's kind of wild, the drones spoofer, a counter UAS company reaches out to them. I don't know the name of the company, but I could find out for you. A counter UIS company that is working overseas asks for them to use one of these for drones spoofing.

So counter UAS just means unmanned aircraft system. And when I want to drones are incoming, the goal is to know that that's about to happen. If you're using a device, even as small as this, it overwhelmed their current system to the point where they couldn't determine whether it was real or fake drones and it would be a, you know, not a good thing, but a great way to divert military because they're going to think we have a thousand drones coming from the north and here's

the statuses of them. One's damage, one's landing, one's going this, you know, 20 miles an hour. This one's going five miles an hour. This one's, you know, you can change the statuses and make it appear like these drones are doing all of these things because of this technology that exists, it's called a remote ID. And remote ID came into effect in 2024 in consumer drones. And it required that every single drone that's purchased, you know, obviously the government drones could

“could differ, but the, any, any drones purchased at March, I believe of 2024 has to transmit”

the position of where the person is standing, the position of the drone, the speed, the altitude, and the serial number of the drone, which then could give you the name of the person that

registered the drone in the first place. This device can, can determine that, but then he'd

drone that's flying around you. So if you have some guy flying around your backyard with a drone, you could go show up at his house because you know exactly where he's standing and you can get his name if he registered it. And then as I said, for the spoofing side of things, that could get really dangerous, especially if that means spoofing. It just, it creates the impression of somebody that's not actually there. Exactly. So on their, on their UAS, on their screen where it

would look like their counter UIS system or it would look like kind of like a radar, you know, with like dots. Just imagine it being overwhelmed with dots. And then they don't know if it's real or not real, they get geared up as if it is real. And then drones come in from a different angle that are not detectable at all, you know. So it's, it's very dangerous and, and I don't

know what the solution to the problem is because, you know, there's companies like Andrew

out there that are flying drones in with fiber optic and up to cables that don't even need radio, they have local AI on them that, you know, is making decisions on what parts of tanks to, to hit to weaken them as it has already been hit by this one or like, they work, the drones work together. You know, so I don't know exactly what the solution to this problem is, but I do believe that knowing that it exists and researching some of this technology, especially for our country,

“is important because drones, but some of these are a new thing. Like they were called quadcopters”

when I was a kid and they were hobbyists. They were fun things to do. And then as time went on, people started to weaponize them and now they're part of war. And something as simple as a 3D printed box given at a hacking convention can cause a big problem in the military.

device right there looks like a transistor radio? So this is pretty much it. It's partially

“what it is. It's a hack RF, which is just a, it's, it does a ton of things. Radio related only,”

which, you know, it, well, not just radio. I guess also some, some other bands because it's without going into a whole radio nerd conversation. It's from one megahertz to six gigahertz. And I don't know if you know how big of a range that is, but it's huge. It's like the only device that I'm aware of that can do anything like that. But if you look in the, receive, you'll see, I can look for airplanes, boats. I can even access the intercoms and the CVS and Walgreens. And

like that, that thing is pretty, pretty wild. I could, over some of the older loud speakers at fast food restaurants, I could talk to, talk through them and listen to them. You know, in the bars, touch to this bit to summarize, gives you a read out of all the radio signals around you. Well, yes, so it's going to receive or transmit. So you could, you could either receive everything

around you or transmit at a very large range. And that is pre program, which on third party firmware,

it's called the H4M or, or that mayhem firmware. It allows you to do some wild things. Like harmless, for example, you're out of bar and you see the touch toons machine that people pay to play music on. Yeah. That thing can take over the touch toons, add credits to it, turn it off, change the volume, change the song. You know, just, you know, easy simple things, or it could be more malicious, where like I said, how can a garage door or a car? So, so I just, let me,

I just want to end on a philosophical question for you. Sure. So you've just spent two hours describing like the darkest sides of consumer technology, internet garage doors. Okay. And I know that all of that technology has brought, I guess, at least theoretically brought great benefits to humanity, whatever you don't have to lift up your own garage door. I have manual garage doors

“for it, for sure. You really? Yes, I do. Wow. You're the first one I've ever met. Really?”

Nice, great. I'm glad. Yeah, I do. Yeah, lock them. Yeah. Or just live in a place with no crime. That's just my, my solution. But, um, all of that, you know, I can see the upsides sit, all of that stuff, but they've all, all of those consumer technology products have introduced like massive vulnerabilities and control methods, like they made us less free. Also, I agree. And why didn't anyone mention that along the way? Like I remember when they were trying to sell us on like, you know,

the dishwasher, you can control with your iPhone. Of course. And I was like, I'm happy to do it by hand. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that for sure. Yeah. The internet of things like, in the end, we get to look back on this period and think we were being softened up to like surrender human autonomy to the machine. I think it's going to be worse than that because I got, yeah, I think because AI and we're trying to get artificial general intelligence where AI has consciousness

and if we do achieve that state at any point, but my question is like, how vulnerable is the average

homeowner living as he does surrounded by all these electronic devices that ultimately he doesn't

have any control over, but somebody else does like, it seems like we put ourselves in quite a spot. So they're, yeah, we do. And there is some modern solutions for modern problems. You know, and the more, as I say, the jammer and I just want to set that off in my living room just like, stop at all. Yeah. I'll buy one and secretly use it. I guess myself. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. It's a, it's a good way to make sure you're not getting anything in or out. Yeah. But um,

you know, same with these Faraday bags, but like it stops to say your phone can't get a received

“text like that's how you're going to a country where you're in your meeting or something.”

And you don't want anything to go in or out. Like you could just bring something like this,

like, like, without giving their company. Oh, I have a million of them. Yeah. Okay. I don't

know what they are. I don't use them anymore. Well, because I think it's useless and I think my phone's already controlled. So it's like, well, you've been hacked. You know, you anytime. But to avoid being hacked, there's things you can do. And yeah, and one thing that in my experience, because I do it every day for a living is know what's out there on yourself, know what your digital footprint is. Check out Pentescera, sorry for being that guy, but check out Pentescera

because it's worth it. Throw in your email like, you know, see what comes back. Um, spend a couple dollars to make sure that you're protected. Remove as much personal data about yourself as possible. So you don't have to worry about somebody, be able to find your address or find your information online. And, uh, and then take some of the stuff that I'm showing you, these devices, as of right now criminals are not, you know, super sophisticated, but these younger kids that

this technology is only going to advance. Just continue to keep yourself in the loop and don't

“just be stagnant and think that this is never going to happen to you. Um, doesn't mean that”

it will, but don't be naive. You know, is there any device electronic device you would not

bring inside your home? I mean, I would, I, I would personally, even if I didn't like the device,

I would put it on with called a virtual land or similar to like a guest network,

“how it's like kind of segregated, separated, um, you know, I, I, I, I'm not super concerned about”

I even have like a vacuum in my house right now that I know it's sending data to a Chinese cloud server. I made a video about it and it went insane because, you know, it's China, a cloud server, people like that, uh, for whatever reason on the internet, and I still have the thing plugged in.

“I mean, I'm not worried about it because it's segregated all my network and even if the thing goes”

rogue, which it may, um, it can't access anything else because it's digitally locked in at the little sandbox. So you're not afraid that at one point the CCP is going to order it to vacuum you. Yeah, I might get my little, my baby pinky towel or something, but that's about as bad as it could. So there's no device that you would be personally afraid of having in your home. Maybe you're cell phone. Yeah, I don't think you want my cell phone in your house. I don't want

that one in there. I don't want that one in there. Right. Thank you for all of this. I'm going to be

thinking about it for the next week, every the second I wake up in the morning. That was really

dark. I hope somebody thought something about those groups. I am sorry, and I'm working as hard as I possibly can to do that. And I appreciate you letting me share that message on your platform because it means the world to me more than even putting words. Thank you. Thank you for doing this. Thank you.