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Trump’s Social Media Advisor Reveals All: Epstein, Iran, and Mark Levin’s Israeli Propaganda

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Donald Trump’s top social media advisor slams Mark Levin and other foreign influence campaigns. Alex Bruesewitz is a steadfast Trump ally who helped lead the 2024 campaign’s innovative digital and ne...

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Alex Prissowitz, thank you for doing this. Very nice of you to do this. So here's my perception, here's the overview. So we're in this war, obviously. Disapproved, whatever, I've said that many times.

Then the president decides we're getting out, and the vice president articulates how and why. And that couldn't be more supportive than I was thrilled. And by that, thank God. And then all of a sudden, there is this just flurry of attacks on the president,

but mostly on the vice president, from people who don't have a alternative plan,

but basically just calling the vice president to something

some of the president names. It seemed to me as an outsider, less fluent in the internet than you are, that this is coordinated. Like, what is this? What are we looking at?

>> That's a great observation.

>> I believe that there is definitely is a coordinated effort

to put pressure on the president and the administration to continue the conflict in Iran. And I believe that there is potentially even foreign influence involved. And not just from one country. So I think it's definitely a coordinated effort.

You're seeing a lot of these voices, they kind of move as a pocket. They talk about a lot of the similar issues. They often times do similar paid media campaigns around other related topics. And there's also evidence of millions and millions and millions of dollars flowing to certain right-wing influencer marketing companies

from countries who might benefit from a prolonged conflict. So I believe there's definitely a coordinated effort. Similarly, right after the war was about to end, I guess the MOU was coming out, yes. A lot of the anti-war voices were also spreading misinformation about the deal.

They were pushing a line about how United States taxpayers were somehow going to give $300 billion to Iran.

And I look at people like Thomas Massey, who's been on this program. He was very quick to share the statement saying that this MOU is terrible because we're going to give $300 billion to Iran, which is not true. It never was true. It's money that can be unlocked over time.

Not a single dollar will come from American taxpayers. But people like Massey were also spreading misinformation.

So I think that there's a lot of coordinated misinformation being spread

from pro-war side and also some anti-war critics as well. Interesting. So can I just get your take on something before we proceed into the details of what you just alleged? You're legend things, Alex Bruce, which seems true to me, but I want to know why you think it. But first to the question of the people criticizing the MOU.

Okay.

Playing ways to criticize the MOU, but all of that criticism, I think, needs to be viewed in

context of what the alternatives the MOU might be. Like, okay, maybe you don't like the MOU, but then what? Right. Did any of the people in this campaign that you're describing offer like an alternative to the MOU?

Like, we continue this war and then what happens? Right. No, there's been no alternatives offered. There's just straight criticism. It's keyboard warriors.

That's what we deal with.

Fortunately, their opinions have very little impact on the electorate.

The populace, you know, we've seen polling from Daily Mail, Fabrizio Lee, McLaughlin, all these different polls that show President Trump's MOU's widely popular with the American people, 67%. Actually, 67%. And so this, the framework of the ceremony with Iran is the 14 points that have been

everywhere. Yes. It's 67% of Americans who've been pulled on that issue are supportive of the Trump events agreement, but if you look at social media, you think that nobody's in favor of it because of coordinated influence campaigns from unique actors and foreign parties.

Interesting. It makes you, I'm not actually surprised because again, you know, they're, they're offering no alternative to the MOU. Right. In some way, for the United States, to get more, you know, I could, you know, I could

see the criticism as being valid. So I'm not surprised by that number, but it does make you think maybe there are other issues where our view of it is totally distorted because our view comes from social media. Definitely. And a lot of the pressrooms, they get their stories from social media.

They get their, the producers, they get what topics they're going to discuss in their shows from social media, for sure, because they think that is what people are talking about.

Some people are talking about it, but in the grand scheme of things, a very s...

percentage of people are talking, actually talking or caring about these issues.

And so I think it's very healthy and important for Americans and our countries to start

pulling back from believing everything that they read on social media and start questioning a lot of the people that are getting the information from. And on all sides of issues, there's a lot of influence and a lot of money from special interest groups from foreign countries that have poured into internet ecosystem and, you know, I don't think it's been healthy for our democracy for our country.

And so, you know, I've been working actually with Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna and some other friends in government to maybe strengthen some disclosure laws, but there's a lot of influence ops that happen on social media. And, you know, I think if we were just continue talking about the war in the Middle East, for example, there's an information up on the pro-Israel side and there's an information

up on the anti-Israel side. I'm just getting paid to be anti-Israel.

I've been very critical of Israel, I've never taken a dollar from anybody.

We have no investors in no debt. So I know for myself that I've never, and I would never take money to give an opinion in. So you're not Tucker Katarlson.

I actually really like Katarl a lot, and I think the people who run it are amazing, but

I've never taken any money from Katarl and I never would. I think it's interesting to hear you say that there is anti-Israel commentary that's being funded by foreign countries, I've never heard that before. And it also might be funded domestically and maybe what I'm not going to accuse anybody of taking money, that's not my position, right?

But I've been expert on social media. Yes. Early on in my career, I started my company to help conservatives communicate better on social media. And so I would identify conservatives that I wanted to work with, and I would help them grow

their social media presence, oftentimes using some other people's platforms, amplification or whatever. Some of those members of Congress that I've worked with in the past, Marjorie Taylor Green. I started working with Marjorie Taylor Green.

She had 2,000 Twitter followers, but time she won her election, that entered Congress, that January of 2021, she had over 800,000 Twitter followers. So in probably a nine-month period, we took her from a no-name Congresswoman or a no-name candidate to the most, one of the most followed Republican Congresswoman in America. And how do you do that?

I must admit, I'm slightly disappointed with Marjorie's recent pivot.

I think that she was slightly, she felt slightly burned that people didn't support her

ambitions for higher office. She says that's not the case. But she went from being the president's number one defender for six years.

First long as I'd known her, she only wanted to run for Congress to get Trump's endorsement,

to be Trump's number one fan, number one cheerleader, she loved Trump. She loved Trump. And so I think that she was a little bit slated by the president and the team not supporting her for other governor or senator or vice president or some other ambitions that she had. And I personally also think she got bored of Congress.

I think she went in with tremendous excitement. She wanted to go there and make a difference. She wanted to go there and help President Trump build the wall and deport illegal aliens and, you know, end foreign aid and do all these things. And I think she got to Washington. She realized a lot of those things are, you know, the president built the wall.

And he stopped illegal alien invasion under country almost 100% since he's been in office. But a lot of other things that she wanted to do when you get to Congress, you realize it's almost impossible. And you realize that you're one of 435 people and you see people on Fox News, a Congressman not Fox News, they talk a tough game. Well, I can write this letter. I can do this. I can hold this person accountable.

But you realize the Congressman doesn't actually have any authority. So I think she went there having a different understanding of how much power she could actually have and how much change she could actually make, realized it was a system that was very difficult to change, got burned out and it's now back to being a commentator.

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want. I'm not my job to speak for her. I think it's obviously true that she was frustrated as hell by Congress, because it's frustrating as hell. I don't think she liked the leadership at all. She said that while she was the hair, she loved Trump. There's no doubt about that. They also had substantive, not fake, but substantive policy disagreements that are just real. You know, way around that, on the war on Epstein, those are real things. And I think you can make

a case for everyone's individual perspective, but I also think it's fair to say, we disagree.

Yeah. And they do disagree. Well, I think so you asked me how we took Marjorie from 2,000 to 800. Well, how does the process work? Not just Marjorie. Well, how does the process work? So, I wanted to explain that to you. So with Marjorie, for example, she pushed the limits. She, the most viral ad that we did for her, that campaign cycle, she was standing on her front porch in Georgia right after the Antifa riots broke out in the summer of 2020. And Marjorie,

you know, she was early 40s, you know, little blonde girl, standing on her porch with the, with a gun. And she says, "My message to Antifa terrorists, stay the hell out of North by Georgia." And she loads the gun. That was filmed on a cell phone. Might have spent 10 minutes producing the whole thing. That video went bonkers, tens of millions of views. And then this was in the pre-Elon era of Twitter and Twitter banned the video for promoting violence, Facebook banned it. But then Fox, actually,

they're credit. They showed the censorship of hat that was happening to Marjorie on the social media platform. So she was on Fox and friends that next morning. She was on late night. I was just prime time Fox there that day. She got her accounts back. And she gained like 300,000 followers off of one moment. Yeah, I was involved. I remember. And so, and so, she was, and then a lot of right-wing accounts started defending her. This is terrible. Go

file Marjorie Taylor Green, go support Marjorie Taylor Green. And these are all mega people.

These are all present Trump supporters. These are all mega people. And I think that's why so many

people are frustrated by her pivot. And just get a policy disagreements. But I think there's a difference between having policy disagreements than making accusations. And she's not the only one. These people are accusing the president. Wow, I mean, hold on. I mean, I love Marjorie. So I mean, and that's well known. I love Marjorie Taylor Green. And I think she's a sincere person. They're, I don't understand every nuance. But I, but I do think it's a, we don't have to like

come up with. We can like, understand people's motives as they explain them. I mean, she's like, I, you know, I think you should be doing this. And we've been interested in things they should be doing that. And like, that's fair. No. Sure. I definitely agree. I definitely agree that that's fair. But then there's the extra, there's the extra curriculars. There's the, and it's not Marjorie. I don't actually speak how Marjorie for this. But there's a lot of these people who used to be

Trump fans. And they were up, they were Trump fans up until nine months of your 10 months of

you. And they used the Epstein thing as the pretext of why they're no longer Trump fans. And I think

that's incredibly unfair. I think the president is the only reason we have Epstein files. Trump's

Administration in the first term arrested Jeffrey Epstein.

put him in jail. And yes, he died in jail. Do I think it was a suicide? You know, I'm probably with the internet on this one. But, but yeah, but the president arrested him. He took him right off the street. So he couldn't earn anymore people. And then he campaigned in 2024. And people said, Oh, well, Trump campaigned in the Epstein files. And actually, he didn't campaign on that. He was asked by Lex Friedman, interesting character. He said, well, you release the Epstein files.

Trump said, yeah, I'd be inclined to do so. And then he did it. And guys, like Thomas Massey, like to take the credit for the release of the Epstein files. But during four years of Joe Biden,

the Biden Department of Justice was sitting on these files. How many times did Massey tweet about Epstein?

Zero. Not a single time for four years of Biden. And so a lot of people see, you know, some of these

guys now, and Massey's never liked the president. Like Trump endorsing against Massey in this

election isn't the response to him being critical of Epstein. Trump endorsing against Massey in 2020. Trump's never like Massey. And, you know, he's an interesting, he's an acquired taste. Not everybody likes Thomas Massey. Right. But it wasn't a response. He didn't lash out at Massey and endorse this guy against him because of the Epstein files. He's never like Massey. Massey's always been a thorn in some capacity. And, and, and, and so there was no cover up. And I think people who

suggest that there was a cover up are not being honest. Could you disagree with the messaging roll out, the media roll out, the attorney former attorney general strategy around it? Absolutely. I wasn't particularly thrilled about the binders. I didn't nobody know what the hell the binders came from. All right. But the president did not participate in a cover up. In fact, he's the only reason that these documents are out. And he's also exonerated by it. There's three million documents

that have been released. Not a single person can point to, oh, Donald Trump did something wrong. You know, the people who did do something wrong, or appear to have done something wrong,

or guys like Reed Hoffman, would I like the Department of Justice to go after Reed Hoffman?

Yeah, I probably would. You know, I don't have much as call them in for questioning. I would, I would support that absolutely. I wonder why that hasn't happened. Well, maybe it well, maybe it will. But I think that I think that this, I think giving control of the government process to a handful of hysterics on social media is bad. I think it was bad for Epstein. There were dusting files. I think it's bad right now for all of the Hawks who are continuing to

press the administration to continue to work. I would also say, though, that the attorney general at the time, Pam Bondi gave an interview on Fox, in which she said, I have thousands of files on my desk, the show, sexual abuse of kids. She said that. I'm that's the attorney general in the United

States. And I've always liked Pam Bondi. I'm not, it's not personal. But the attorney general says

that and then no one gets indicted for you. Like you're the attorney general. You're the chief law enforcement officer of the nation. Well, what the hell are you talking about? I didn't hear the sexual abuse of kids part, but I did hear her say that I have these documents on my desk. Should she have said thousands? Should she have said that? You know, probably not. Or maybe she should say I'm, by the way, I was glad that she said it wasn't that she said it. I want more

disclosure. I want to know what the government is doing. And that's my right. And we're all in the

freaking government, not Pam Bondi. I'm a citizen. But anyway, I just, where's the follow-up?

If you have the evidence, you told us you had the evidence where are the arrests? Well, it's a great question. You know, and I think that a lot of people are asking the same thing, but the accusation of the president was involved in a nefarious cover that's completely ludicrous. I think people like read a Hoffman should absolutely be brought in for questioning. And perhaps it will happen. I think read Hoffman is one of the worst characters in America,

not just for that. He was also a financier of E. Jean Carroll, if you remember her, the one who accused President Trump of, of, you know, harassing her in the 80s or 90s. Well, I'm pretty sure. I can't prove it. But I'm pretty sure that he helped suck me into a lawsuit.

I had nothing to do with and tried to destroy my life. I've never met the guy I got nothing to do with

him. I was just giving opinions. He doesn't like, so I get it. But look, if you want people to trust the government, we need more disclosure, more follow-up. I mean, that's true of every administration, including this one. And like, I don't know. For my perspective, it's the war. It's the war that I, I talked to Trump multiple times about Epstein, my advice to him, which he ignored was, this has really nothing to do with you. It's like read Hoffman, reassure people by, like,

bringing the guilty to justice or least investigating it in a transparent way. Didn't happen. But I didn't really say anything about it in public. It was the war that just absolutely

Distressed me.

you know, eight, the scene how basically said we're going to do things we don't want to do,

because it's in the best interest of the country, the demo you, no one wants the demo you, but it's better than the alternative. I admired that. I said so. And I immediately see these people who were like Trump's best friends, true maga people, like Mark Levin and the rest, like, they're the true maga. You can't get anywhere near maga. You don't know what maga is. Like, okay, all of a sudden they're like, Trump's a big hit or whatever. You know what to be in,

or JD Vance is an anti-Semite. That's where, you know, I was like, I thought that was

the interesting thing I've ever seen. Yeah, it was certainly coordinated, absolutely. And so by whom?

It's good question. There's people that certainly speculate. And look, I think Mark Levin,

I think he's friends with the president, and maybe he's friends with the president,

but Mark Levin was the guy. I think Trump likes Mark Levin at all. Mark Levin was somebody who opposed Trump in 2016. Yeah. He actually encouraged his audience in 2016 to stay home. Don't fall in the general election. He was a dissantic supporter in 2024. So he's not like this ultra maga guy. And so it's a little frustrating. Look, I disagree strongly with many statements that you've made recently. And so all these coordinated accounts, right? They're saying, Alex,

you call up Mark Levin, but you don't call out Tucker. Why? And I, to be honest, I think that's kind of a fair point. You've criticized the president. And I haven't called you out. And I haven't called you out for a couple of reasons. Call me out on social media because I know you personally. Yeah. I'd rather have a conversation with you about what I disagree, where I disagree on in person rather than being a keyboard warrior. I don't know Mark Levin personally. So I have a philosophy in my life.

If I don't know you personally, I can hit you on social media. If I don't all have a conversation to your face. I generally agree with that. So, you know, early on, when the war started, there was predictions by some voices, including you, that striking Iran could lead to World War III. You know, voices like Ian Carroll, who's also bound the program, predicted that we put ground troops in Iran by now. Those predictions haven't haven materialized. And so I think, I think,

saying that it would be important to the audience. I think there's a lot of hysterics on both sides

of the issue. Early on, it was president threatened to eliminate the civilization of Iran. So that that would qualify as World War III. He threatened to put ground troops on the Carguer Island in mainland Iran many, many, many times, untrue social. I've been reading it for three months. None of that happened. I'm so grateful. I'm not a, I don't, I don't, I'll just say it didn't happen because it didn't, it didn't not happen because of pushback of voices like Ian Carroll. And then

they come out, they take a victory lap and say, see, you know, we prevented this from nobody's listening to the grifters on the pro-war side or the anti-war side. Well, let me just correct the record and say, I, I, I am under no illusions about my power. I don't seem to have any power to change any of it. That's not a force. You don't think you have a very powerful voice. No, I don't. No, I, I, I argued with Trump for a, you know, 10 years against doing this. He took other council,

that shows you how much power I have zero. And so I was not able to prevent this. And I don't think I had any role in ending it. So I just want, you know, I don't think I had any effect. Well, I, I just think that I, I just think that the hysterics start off as being the, the anti-war hysterics. And maybe they had reason to be, you know, the president's position on Iran, I don't

believe has changed for 30 years. You can find statements of him saying, Iran should never have

a nuclear weapon in 90 days. He delivered on that promise. He was struck on, okay, 90 days later, MOU says Iran will not see a nuclear Richmond. He never wanted to do a forever war. He never was going to put boots on the ground. If he has to, I'm sure he will. But I don't think we have to. But, but his position hasn't changed. He also is against forever wars. He's always been against

forever wars. So I, I think that doing a quick military excursion is different than, obviously,

Iraq and Afghanistan and what the Neocons fever dream is. You know, Mark Levin probably wants to send a million American troops. No doubt about it. And, and, you know, the president is not about that. And so, so I think there was a lot of hysterics who just, who just, didn't know, don't, they don't know who the president is. And they are acting like it was inconsistent as positions when I don't think he actually was. So lots of reasons to get obsessed

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Medit here in yoga jogging. I don't think so. Really? I think my story is total.

Steuere? How do you feel? The steuere is clear? Yeah, I have a whole locker over 1,000 euros to get to it. Has your own connections? No, not like like steuere. Wow. And that is easy. Of course, the macht fast, all is automatic. Clearly, I feel like I'm so enchpunt. Hold it and get to look. Teef and enchpunt. Medvisal steuere. Can I ask you so it was a year ago

that the president and Levin were at some event and Levin goes and basically puts him in a

headlock. Donald Trump is much larger big man. Levin is a dwarfish man. So he kind of leans up and pulls him down like that. Yeah. And the president, well, first of all, he's the president. Okay. Second, he's famously not the guy you put in a headlock. He's not into it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Levin does that. And so in the message, of course, is like, you know, you're my boy, I control you, right? I was discussed. But whatever, that happens. And so you

look at it and you're like, okay, and then Trump tweets like, if you want to get the real

truth, watch Mark Levin's lowly rated show on Fox weekends. And so all of a sudden, he just like pivots in one day and start saying things that are true in my view brave. I'm cheering Trump when he says this and he's like, we're out. This is too much. Can't deal with it. We're going to run out of oil. You're not going to be able to get gasoline. Like, that's terrible for America. We're stopping. What caused that change? I believe he felt the mission was accomplished. And it goes back to the

fact that he is not somebody who wants forever worse. He's not somebody who wants forever conflict. He felt that he was able to deliver on his campaign promise of preventing Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon in a little over 90 days. And we have the Iranians now at the table negotiating a deal with JD Vance and our team. And I think the president is happy with where things were things lay. And now he's now people Mark Levin crowd who were the president's biggest cheerleaders are

now opposed to what he's doing because they have different, they have a different agenda for Iran.

They have a different vision for how to handle Iran. And I think that's wrong, but the president's

position has been consistent. You can find videos of him in 1987 saying Iran should never have a nuclear

weapon. And he was given certain intelligence, but how to take it out? And he did eliminate their navy. That intelligence did not come from the United States. He eliminated the navy, he eliminated their air force. And he has got them at the table to ensure that they never have a nuclear weapon. So this is my complaint for the beginning. I'm not here to defend the IC or 18 intelligence agencies. But like, there was no American intelligence that said Iran was on the brink of building a nuclear

weapon that came from Israel and they lie and they lied to Trump. And I told him that before the started because it was obvious. So why would the United States ever rely on Israeli intelligence again if they just lied us into a war that got a bunch of Americans killed in that race gas prices? It's very sad to see the loss of the soldiers' lives and I know the president was certainly upset about that. Look, I think that the president accomplished his goal there. And with the

MOU, I think people are confident we're in a good spot. I think the president obviously will reserve the right to respond again with military action if he feels like things are going sideways. But look, I think the president is now focused. The president is focused on domestic issues, lowering gas prices, lowering economic prices, bringing job opportunities back home. I think the foreign excursions have been successful. And now it's time to focus on on home.

And the Israeli points again, like, I think this proves that the president isn't a slave to Israel. A pair of friends or he's broken free. He's broken his feathers.

I don't think the president was ever a slave to Israel and I think characteri...

not fair. I'm friends with eight years ago, I became friends with BB Netanyahu's Sonja here. Yeah, he's a nice guy. There was a moment in time fighting in Lebanon right now.

I actually haven't talked to him in a while, man. Oh, I think he's in Miami, but whatever, okay.

I don't think he's in Miami. I invited him to my wedding. So for the people who call me anti-Semitic, I invited the Prime Minister, they're calling you anti-Semitic now. So I invited the Prime Minister of Israel Son to my wedding because you know, and he's a friend of mine. But there was a moment in time where I know where the president, after the 2020 election, and you know, didn't have a great relationship

with BB. BB was the first world leader to congratulate Joe Biden. I remember after the

ring 2020 election, and I think that's made people feel, you know, a little bit different about that relationship. The president now is a great working relationship with him, but he's certainly not a slave to BB or a slave to Israel, and I think people who suggest that are not being fair. I'm, look, I've been on fair many times in my life, and I've overstated things dramatically many times, and I certainly have been mean and I really regret that. So I just want to offer another

blank apology for my bad behavior. Those are my mean sins. But I still don't get it. Why if no one in your cabinet isn't enthusiastic about this, no one in your Intel services says, yes, they're on the

brink of like sending a nuclear-typed ICBM into Miami. If all of them like that's not true,

you turn and you take Israeli intelligence, which is like fraudulent, obviously fraudulent, and act on that. What is that? It also goes back to instincts. Again, the president has been on this position for 30 years, and we had a war in June that he said ended the Iran nuclear program. I talked to him constantly about that, and he's like, no, we're done. We're done. And then a few months later, we're like ramping up for another war, and I was like, well, I thought we eliminated

that. Well, you can see why it'd be mystified. Sure. Slavery was the most obvious explanation, but maybe I'm wrong. That's certainly not slavery. It's certainly not slavery.

I think it's the president's instincts and the president wanted to do it. And so we did it,

and there's this report that he's telling people, I'm president and you're not, right? You have people on your team. Sometimes you listen to them, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you take it. You want their opinions. Sometimes you don't. And you know, you do it with your show. I do it with my company. I totally agree. That's clearly true. It was a presence in sex. It certainly wasn't blackmail related to abstine. It certainly wasn't being a slave to a foreign country. So I think that

I felt that I respect Trump's instincts. They made him president twice. He said an amazing life

and I think it's been on the basis of his instincts. So I have maximum respect for Trump's instincts and for his understanding of people and for power dynamics. Like the guy has got like X-ray vision. He's not good on detail sometimes, but he's incredibly precise and his big picture understanding of people. And I felt that he went against his own instincts and launching this war. He knew the risks. He's not a crazy risk ticker. Actually, he talks at big game. This is my analysis

anyway. But he's not actually that wrong. Really? I mean, he's been successful. You can't live for 80 years and be that reckless, right? This was really reckless. And I felt that it was he didn't want to do it. I can't read his soul. Like maybe he really secretly did want to do it. That was definitely not my impression having talked to him a lot about it. So then I'm like, okay, you didn't

want to do it. No one around you wanted to do it. Why did you do it? I believe the president

did one of eliminate their nuclear capabilities. And he also eliminated their ability to have an AV and an Air Force and a missile program. So, you know, he did it. And now the excursion. I don't really like to call it a war because it was a 90 day blip. And yes, we sadly lost some lives and got rest their souls. But the excursion as as, you know, appears to be coming to an end. And I can't imagine that these hysterical voices on social media are going to prolong it. So, yeah, I mean,

that's really it. I mean, I've given my, we differ in our analysis of the war, but I don't want to argue about it. What I want to understand is how public opinion on the question is shaped in your one of the experts on this topic. Well, love to dive in on this one. Okay. So, and by the way, if you ever discover that anti-war sentiment is being funded by a foreign power text me, because I'd love to know who's paying for it. How I can get on that payroll.

I think you're doing okay. That's studio's great. It's so fun. This is our, we had this

Long before the show.

the, let's prolong the war on behalf of the Netanyahu regime. That does seem to be funded by

somebody because that's not a organic position in the United States. There's not, as you said,

67% in favor of the MOU. So, I don't like there's a groundswell of public support for following this lunatic path even further. So, who is paying for that? That's a great question. And, and for getting foreign influence out of the political ecosystem specifically online, it's a very, it's a passion project of mine. Yeah. Uh, you know, I am Trump's social media guy. That's what I'm branded in the press. Yeah. So, you can only imagine the type of money that these

countries and other companies have tried to throw at me. I do not take any foreign money. I don't take any money from the golf countries. I don't take any money from India. I don't take any money from Russia. China. No, no foreign countries. Uh, how much you make if you wanted to? I've probably rejected close to $20 million in contracts over the last 15 months. Damn. Yeah. How old are you? I'm 29. That takes some restraint. So, you know, it's uh, I've had some, I've had a really interesting

career. Uh, I've made some money. I made no money. I made, you know, and I'm not really focused on money.

And, and I think that's what separates me from a lot of my colleagues or competitors, if you will,

in Washington. Uh, however, uh, I've actually never shared this publicly. In June of

2000 and 25 mid-June shortly after the first Iran strike happened, I got a message from a friend and he texted me when I was in an airplane. He said, Alex, great news from Israel. And I want to read the message so I don't, so I don't butcher anything that was said. At 247 on June 16th, 2025, good news from Israel. They have budget for the American market to make a strategy and social network against Iran. I talked about you and they want to work with you. It is through a foundation.

Call me when you can and I'll tell you all of the details. I said, I appreciate you thinking of me

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to Iran. I never got in the phone call so I don't know exactly what they were looking to get amplified

but I didn't do it. And so the foundation was never specified. However, two months later an organization ran run by President Trump's former digital guy who the president hasn't talked to in six plus years, Brad Parscale, ended up filing a farer contract with the state of Israel for $1.5 million a month, a month, which in comparison, Brian Ballard who is potentially the

Top lobbyist in Washington, D.

Brad Parscale is no experience being a lobbyist and he certainly isn't selling access to the president because the guy's got zero access to the president. So two months after I was reached out to to work on an Israeli social media campaign related to Iran, Brad gets this social media contract with Israel. Payed through by a German entity called Havis Media Group and I'm going to read you a part of Brad's initial farer filing related to his deliverables for this particular contract.

It says, quote, production and delivery of a minimum of 100 root creative assets per month, spanning video, audio, graphic and written formats, creation of 5,000 monthly variants of creative, at least 80% of content is tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms, including TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, podcasts, and other relevant digital and broadcast outlets. Integration over here's the kicker. Integration of narrative messaging into Salem media network properties and a line distribution

channels. And then lastly on this section, paid media campaigns delivering a minimum of 50 million

impressions per month with a target average CPM under USD $2 across the combined budget pool.

So that's what the farer filing says. Wow, that's what it says. And so that means that the

Israeli government is paying Brad Parskell to spread its propaganda in the United States through various vectors, most of whom are MAGA influencer types. So it doesn't specify MAGA influencer types actually in that contract. I just don't know what he's going to pay 1.5 million a month for. And then actually the most recent report that I saw on Twitter, on X, sorry, sorry for dead naming it. It's very offensive. Let's see. This was reported by a gentleman named Nick Cleveland Stout,

never heard this guy. But he sent an updated filing that he found from that shows the Israeli government

is now paying former Trump campaign manager in Salem media executive Brad Parskell, $46 million in one year. And he also had for some perspective Saudi Arabia pays ballad one of the most connected firms in Trump's Washington $60,000 a month. $46 million? That's what it says. So who's on Salem media network? Well, so I don't want to speculate or accuse anybody. No, I just want to because

the fair filing says, but we'll disseminate our propaganda through Salem. So that's what it says, right?

Yeah. So Josh Hammer, I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, he's a very, he's got a very low-rated podcast. He's, I think he's a columnist. He was a neighbor. He was a Josh Hammer until he started hustling Charlie Kirk. But yeah, he was a big dissentist supporter. He's at Salem media network. He's one of the loudest critics against the Iran more. You have people like Larry Elder, which is surprising, because Larry Elder is typically a pro-Trump cheerleader. He's been

very critical of the Iran more. There's a lot of other of these radio hosts who are

syndicated on Salem, who have been opposed, he, he, obviously, but he, you know, he's always appreciated war to be honest. So I don't think his positions have changed. So it says right there in the contract in this initial filing that he's integrating messaging into Salem properties. Salem also owns red state town hall, podcast network. They also have an influencer network. So like, I would love to know what Brad is actually doing with this money. You know, there's,

you know, there's a, I know certainly the part of the project is to help coach AI, chatbots into

being more pro-Israel less anti-Semitic. And, you know, look, I think the anti-S, I think there

has been a rise of anti-Semitism in the country. You went disagree with me. I think anti-Semitism is high. It's wrong. You know, I see some incidents in Brooklyn. I think it's wrong. I think hate against any religious group. I couldn't agree more. I've said that many times. So I'm not opposed to opposing BBs foreign policy is not anti-Semitism. I'm not opposed to Brad

Getting paid to combat anti-Semitism.

What are the deliverable anti-white hate is encoded in the US legal code? When hate against white men is like the foundational fact of college admissions, federal contracting, hiring, and we're spending all of our time worried about whether people were being rude to billacmen. Like, this is just a misalignment. This is not reality. Okay. I also want to just add for context to the viewers and the people who are going to clip this, that Israel isn't the only country

that has paid for influencer support in America. Sure, that's right. Ukraine has paid a ton. You know, there was recently a field trip with a bunch of right-wing influencers, if you will, who visited Russia. So, I don't think that they paid for that trip out of their own pocket. I don't know. And so, you know, they went to Russia, they go hang out with the Russians and whatever. I don't hate your own. I don't have particular issues with people visiting a country. Right.

My issues lie in, do you visit the country and then change the way you speak about the country, or use your platform to talk about the country? You know, Qatar had a similar situation during December. Some influencers who are used to be opponents to Qatar, they flew to Qatar in December, and then they did some beautiful post-apocalyptic. I also think that's wrong. My position is, if it's Israel,

if it's Qatar, if it's Russia, if it's China, if it's India, you should not be able to pay.

I don't think Qatar paid the influencers. I think they came out of a trip, and then they posted nice things about the country. I still think there should be some level of disclosure around that. I don't care what country it is. You should be disclosing if you are in any way shape or form promoting the interests of another different country. I think that's right. My focus recently has been on Israel because of this massive contract that they've engaged in with Brad.

Then nobody knows what the hell he's doing with the 46 million dollars. So I texted him to find out because a lot of that money is going to attacking me and my family. Obviously, I resent though I trying to think about it too much. Don't want to become what they call you. But anyway,

he never, I know Brad, per scale, I've always felt sorry for him. Yeah, I still do.

He's troubled man, but I did think he would at least respond to my text. He didn't. Yeah. So, have you called him? No, I haven't called him, and he hasn't called me. He responded to one of my tweets. He responded to my tweet saying that I said, "Hey, Brad, what's up with this? Why are so many sale and media personalities, trash and president Trump's war?" Here's the far-filing saying that you're going to integrate

messaging into Salem media properties. And Brad responded, you know, Brad responded to me. And he said, "Alex, I actually want to thank you for bringing this up. I don't know who pissed in your Cheerios this morning, but what you're looking at was an original

draft. Not what happened. We never executed that plan. We never paid hosts or influencers to say anything.

That's the beauty of Farah. The receipts exist. Well, the only receipt that exists right now is Brad's initial contract where it says point blank, we're going to integrate messaging. So he's saying he's not doing it. So what is he doing with this $46 million? And you're in this business, say obviously you're one of the most famous people in the business. You may be the most famous

person in the business. Have you ever heard of anybody getting $46 million from a single client?

No. And even his $1.5 million a month is initial far-filing. I believe is the single largest Farah, single far-filing for one entity in history. Really? I have no perspective. Okay. So that's great. If you ask chatGPT or whatever chat platform you use, I prefer Grock to be honest. Yes, because I trust Elon more than I trust Altman. But I ask Grock, what's the largest

Farah filing for one entity to date? And it came back with some $9 million contract that I think

Nigeria paid. I don't know what the hell Niger needs to do. But, you know, they paid it. So one country, $9 million dollars. Brad's initial contract, $1.5 million a month, you do the math, was a $15 million a year. Now it's up to $46 million according to a recent report. And again, they're not paying him for his relationships in the White House. I don't think Brad Parscale could get a meeting in the West Wing to save his life, specifically not in the

Oval Office. You know, I don't think people still remember what he did during the 2020 election.

Okay. And, but he's going around different countries. And if you pull up his website, it's called ClockTowerX.com. He spells out exactly the services that his company offers. And so, you know, I think that he should clear the air on the services that he's providing

For these foreign countries.

It starts off with a header that says narrative infrastructure. The system already shapes what people

believe. We help determine who prevails. Elections, narratives, markets, we don't react.

We shape the conditions they operate in. Talks about how they've had $2 billion plus in

influence to outcomes. No clue what that means. It says that they work in 10 plus countries. They're deployed in 10 plus countries. And then it says if you, if you've heard about our work, it wasn't ours. And it gets into some of the services that they offer. They offer narrative intelligence, continuous monitoring of the information landscape to identify leverage points before competitors, audience segmentation, behavioral mapping across millions of

data points to identify the nodes that move markets, message testing. Here's one, influencer ecosystems. Manch networks that amplify narratives through credible distributed voices. That's on this

guy's website that he gets paid millions and millions of dollars, 46 million. Yeah. So right there on

his website, influencer ecosystems. So I think Brad should, you know, if he's doing it, I think

it's wrong. I can't say for definitively that he's doing it. But these are the services that are offering the website, cross channel distribution, performance analytics. Yeah. And so, well, I must say I've noticed that every sale and media property that I'm aware of has the same view. You know, more war is good. I'm an anti-Semite. Both of those are too lies. By the way, not an anti-Semite of war is not good. Your an anti-Semite is that they all have the same view. And maybe it's just that every

sale and host or influencer, whatever they're calling themselves is like crazy. It's exactly the same way. But maybe there's more to it than that. Maybe. Maybe. And a lot of these same influencers have been, you know, organized against you for the last couple, for like last year, consistently against you for the last year. A lot of these, these, this one account for, for example,

named E. L. E. Colby. I'm not sure you probably have never heard of this kid. But all he does every day

is he tweets about you. The only time I see any of your clips are on the accounts of people attacking you. Really. I, you know, I don't watch, you know, similar to you. I don't really watch podcasts. Yeah, you know. But the only time I see people's clips are people attacking you. Your clips are when people are attacking you. E. L. E. Colby, I was looking this morning. Who is he? You know, just some influencer, if you will. And these are not influential influencers

I call them. But he certainly is involved in, he's certainly been paid for some of his tweets. Do I know that he's been, do I know that he's been paid for tweets against you or against the Iran War? I can't say that for certain. But he was not honest. He's not honest about tweets that he is paid for. And then, and so, so would I be shocked if he was paid for some of? I don't know. But he's tweeted about you. Probably 1,200 times in the last eight months.

But all complimented. No, no, no, all negative unfortunately for you. But, you know, and look, I agree with some of his criticism. I don't think it's, but I don't see it organic. People, you know, he's one of the loudest voices who keeps tagging my house. Uh-huh. Alex, you criticize Mark Levent. Why do you criticize Tucker? Well, I criticize you to your face here. Yeah. But you hurt me, man. But all of these social media accounts that have been targeting

you are not targeting me. They were targeting JD events when you appeared on Megan Kelly's show.

Because, oh, how dare you go on Megan Kelly's show? That's what they said.

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Yeah. And within just months, all of a sudden you had the Josh Hammers of the world who I'd never

even heard of saying that if I don't like somebody, nobody's allowed to talk to him because he's got naughty intentions or he's a bigot of some kind or whatever. How is that any different from

screaming racist? Right. It's the same thing. Right. And that's why I'm here because, you know,

are you shocked by this though? What the hell? Yeah. I mean, these people aren't the most honest dealers and brokers. You know, I'll say this. One of the people who's been allowed us on this issue is actually a friend of mine, Laura Loomer. I have not liked seeing a lot of the vitralic messages towards Loomer. People calling her, you know, mean names. I know that she dishes it out as well, but she's a friend of mine. And during the 2024 election,

everybody kept telling us disavow Loomer, disavow Loomer. She's bad news, disavow. I wouldn't. And they would put pressure on me. Are you friends with Laura Loomer? I'd say, yes, I am. Oh, she thinks she's trouble. No, I think she's actually a very good ally to us when she's focused.

And so we, I would never disavow Loomer. Similar. I would never disavow you because you've been

good to me. I consider you a friend. It's okay to be, uh, have different opinions. I think telling

people that they shouldn't have conversations with people or telling people that you should disavow

someone, um, I'm not, I'm not about that life. So, not just telling, but demanding that it's the price of your good name, that how dare you talk to this person, I'm dinner with this person. And then if I find out that you do, I'm going to hurt you. Yeah. That's the definition of witch hunt. That's what the George Floyd era was about. That's Black Lives Matter. That's everything I despise. And to see it happen among people I know who I thought I agreed with is like the most shocking

thing that's ever happened to me. Since when did all the neocons just become flat out like college-level liberals? Uh, they have that way for at least my entire adult life. I guess you're right. I, I, right. This is a process of me losing my name to tell you. That's those particular characters. But no, I, I, I, I won't disavow loomer. I won't criticize loomer. Even if I disagree with her, I'm not going to take to Twitter and say, hey, loomer, I think you're off base and, you know,

you're wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Same with you. Like, if I'm an issue with you,

or the record, I would never attack someone's family or daughter-in-law. Yeah.

So I think that that, um, I just want to say in reference to no one in particular. Yeah. That tack attacking people's families for crimes they had nothing to do with just because they're related to someone, suggestive you of the world based on blood guilt, which is not a Christian view. It's disgusting. It's North Korean view. We don't, we don't punish people's families. Yeah. I think that's, I think those are low. And, you know, when I was, I was actually a big

defender of Buckley, uh, when he was facing some of those attacks. But just like not having anything

to do with me or my family just didn't general as a principal because what matters are principles.

It's not about what you do to me. It's about what you do or what I do. We're all held to the same standards because there's one god. Yeah. And those standards apply to these railies and they apply to the Russians and the Ukrainians. They apply to me. They apply to you. They apply to every human being, all of us, created by God. And one of the core standards is you do not punish the innocent ever. That is the basis of all justice. You punish people who commit crimes. You do not

punish people who don't no matter who they're related to. These railies reject that few. That's what they're doing in Gaza. They're killing people because they're Palestinian. The North Koreans did that. I think the U.S. has done that over the year. It's always wrong. It doesn't matter who does it. And I just feel like that is that principle. That one specific principle is the basis of our country. That's why we welcomed all these people from random countries. We're like, you may be

from a country we hate, but like, are you a good person? That's all that matters. It's the content of your character that matters. And if we give that up on the right, then the whole country is gone. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. I'm strongly against targeting innocent people. And I'm targeted

Against targeting family members.

Erica Kirk to be repulsive. I totally agree. There's a lot of people who have made a name for themselves in social media by spreading certain theories about Erica. And I think Erica is a good person. She's a friend of mine. I've known Erica for almost as long as she's probably known Charlie. And I was with her a few weeks ago in Palm Beach. And you can see that the attacks affect her and they hurt her. But she keeps moving forward. So I think that having vitriolic targets on

family is certainly wrong. Certainly you can't punish people for something they didn't do.

Yeah. It's just that simple. That's why segregation is wrong. That's why the anti-white

racism that dominates American life is wrong. That's why anti-Semitism is wrong. That's

why any world view that punishes people who didn't commit a crime is always in everywhere wrong.

And that would include attacking people's families. If they didn't do anything, you know what I mean? That's true. Anyway, that's why also, you know, like the the blanket, like Jew haters. There's, you know, there's people who are critical of Israel. And then there's people who like tweet things like it totally anti-Jew things. I think the anti-Jew, the Jews control everything crowd. I think they are, I think they're not the brightest as well.

Yeah. Look, attacking people for things they didn't do. That's wrong. Period. I would like this administration to take the anti-white stuff seriously and stop lecturing me telling me that anti-Semitism is the biggest problem in America. It's not.

You have a much tougher time getting into the Ivy League. You would not know this from

the behavior of the Justice Department if you're white than if you're Jewish. So that's a fact. It's provable that these numbers came at a court. And like it's unfashionable to say that, I don't care. And by the way, if Jews or blacks or Filipinos or anybody was being discriminated in the way that whites are being discriminated against, I would be opposed to it vocally. And I'm opposed to it. Well, if you look at a lot of the job creation in our country,

a lot of the new jobs have gone to natural born, like Americans in the Trump presidency. Look, I don't know those numbers. I don't know if I want more Americans going to universities. I just think all I'm saying is as a principle, this is the core principle of America that you are judged by who you are as a person, not by the group. I don't think that the administration is overly prioritizing the protection of Jewish communities. Are you joking? I don't think that.

Are you kidding? Listen to Leo Terrell recently. That's Leo's job. His job is there an anti-Black racism, anti-white racism, anti-white racism,

or this is insane. I think there should be, you know, maybe there should be. How about we treat

everybody the same? So I agree with you on that point. But I don't think that it's just part of it. I don't think that the Department of Justice is think wakes up in the morning and thinks, how can we personally protect Jewish Americans? Is they do? Are you joking? I don't think. There's been, they reach to settlement with it. Look, I just want to be clear as clear as I've been all along that I oppose any kind of discrimination on religious grounds and on secular humanist grounds.

Yeah. It's just wrong. Always judge the person, not the blood type. However,

they went after Harvard and Yale and Columbia and Cornell and Princeton, Dartmouth and Ivy League. Sure. On the basis of anti-Semitism, most extent they're anti-Semitic. They should not get federal money. I totally agree with that. But everybody knows because it's been proven that the barrier at those schools is being a white Christian male. And no one mentioned that. Yeah. So it's like, what the hell are you doing? Absolutely. Telling me, I live in a world and

have for 57 years in this country where being a white male is a disadvantage in official America, in hiring federal contracting and school admissions. And no one says anything about it. That's fair. That's fair. I think that obviously they've probably also probably, they've also discriminated in its Asians at the 100%, which is totally wrong. It is wrong. And I mean, David Hogg got

accepted in the Harvard. That's how you know that the institution is nailed. All right.

He'll act when it's a Harvard. The guys are moron. Yeah. But how does people get into Harvard? I think that higher education totally needs an overhaul. And I don't encourage young people to go to go. Of course, you know I agree with you passionately, strongly. But I just think even more important than overhauling college is reminding every American that you're judged on your own merits. Period. And if they sent the federal government, we have laws on the books. We have a civil

rights division that's supposed to be enforcing this, which is not making an priority. I'm sorry. Sorry. They're not. And I got to call today from some of the administration will stop. You know, they're doing some work. It's like they could end it tomorrow. We will not allow discrimination in our country period, no matter who you are, whether you're black, Jewish, white, Asian doesn't matter. And they won't do it because their donors are single-mindedly focused on one of many forms

Of discrimination, which is not the most prevalent form.

this until they change their ways. Well, I'm not going to tell you to stop. Sorry. Sorry. I had this like furious text exchange. There's so many administrations. There's like we're doing stuff. I was like, this is one problem we could actually solve. No more discrimination. It's

totally unchecked on the left, too. They're always like lecturing about white man. Yeah, definitely.

I mean, the left is certainly the worst offenders at that. It's openly racist. They are openly

racist and they're proud of it. And so I think that's why, you know, we're talking, I know that

you said you're leaving the Republican Party. Yeah, which, you know, I want to come back. I understand your frustration with the party. I had the frustration all the time as well. I'm frustrated right now. I'm sitting here on this podcast while the Senate refuses to pass the safe America. Exactly. That's what that would enforce voter ID. But we're doing it hard. Why can't they do that? Well, maybe they don't want to save our country. So maybe they don't want to save our country. But we're

doing the best, which has to ask you a question, why that's such an easy one. Yeah. That's a priority that I strongly share with you administration. Like why not have voter ID? If you're

going to be a country, it chooses leaders through elections. Like right. I think it's might be

the most common sense piece of legislation. I certainly come through the Senate. But for whatever reason, there's obstruction to it. Who's obstructing it? Do you know? Well, we have a leader in the Senate who just can't get the job done. And maybe he can get it done, but he hasn't shown that he can get it done. And he hasn't really made it a priority. I think this is a major priority for Republican voters. It's a major priority of President Trump who is the only reason that we have a Republican

controlled Senate. And we have a Republican controlled Congress. And I think oftentimes Republicans forget that. And in Congress, they forget that. The only reason Republicans of any power in Washington D.C. is because of Donald Trump and the mega movement. And time and time again, Congress drops the ball. And so I hear your frustration. Like if you vote for Republicans, they can't even get a voter ID

law. But that's why the primaries are so important. And we're working in the primaries. We took out

tell us. We took out Cornon. We took out Cassidy. We're taking out some of the weakest Republicans on our team. And so the primaries process is where I believe that that people like you should be taken out of your anger. I just think you've gotten behind some of the wrong candidates. I think like James Fishback, by the way, that guy tried to scam me. James Fishback hit me up, asking me for $50,000 into an investment fund before he was larking as a President or Governor

and you know, like Fishback, but I like him, but I don't know that much about him. I just don't

think that this state of Florida should be limiting the first amendment that God given first

amendment rights of Floridians, because Israel demands it, which is exactly what they did. That's not acceptable. Under any certain, my face has been here for like 400 years. Like I'm not going to stand by and what that happened without saying something about it. Period. I hear you. I hear you. And there was probably a different candidate here. You got behind them in Fishback, because that guy's bad news and he's not an honest person, and I don't know.

And I think you have a massive platform. When you put your platform to use, and with you took up, you helped take out Dan Krencher. So I thank you for that. And President Trump did an endorsed Dan Krencher. So we've used this primary source that creepy fat guy from Florida who endorsed genocide who laughed at the picture of a dead child in Gaza that disgusting, I can't even remember his name, but he's the only candidate ran in that sea.

I want to get someone new. Like why would you? Maybe they're happy. That's why he said you've got

to be a slave to Israel. But now we have the flip side of Dan Bolzerian, right? We have two extremes wearing that race, both I don't agree with. Okay. So we have Dan Bolzerian, maybe one of the people who's helped bring the generosity to young men in America more than anybody. I don't know. And Randy, fine. You know, maybe we find. Maybe we need some maybe we need some better choices. Florida's been a great state for a long time. In my opinion, it's kind of hard to

afloat out. Florida's got loads totally big. It's got low taxes, it's got beaches, it's got great weather. They get crowded and you'll just. I think I think that I think that I think that's been a major, I think it's been one issue. But this is about a person in the state and this is happening under de Santas. I agree. I completely look. And there are things about de Santas I really like. Like he's a very impressive guy. I mean, you know, de Santas, there's a lot about him that's impressive.

That's just a fact. He's smarter than I am. But you have to take the big picture. Like you have to care about the people who live in the state, not just people who send money to your campaign, whether it's a pack, whether worse than a pack, or the, you know, the strip wall developers, and the people just want to pave the state like want to destroy nature to make a quick buck, like those people are worse than a pack in my opinion. Yeah. I've had some conversations with some

data. Did you agree with the center? Do you live in Florida? I don't think that the Floridians want to, I don't think the Floridians want major data centers coming to their communities. I don't think they're do. But there are a lot of them already there. And I've actually been talking to some data center developers who say, you actually don't need that much land anymore. And so there's a concern, but you need a lot of water energy. There's concern from some of the data centers that they're

Overbuilding that, you know, a few years from now, the technology will be bet...

resources will be better, and so you're not going to need a two million square feet. Can I see

one thing, my fish back though? Like the effort in Florida has been to prevent fish back from back or back. I don't think this show how close friends I am with him. But I like the guy, but why not just have a debate between Byron Donald's and fishback? That's a good question. So Byron's can decide. I would debate him, but byron Donald's won't because he goes smoke well, that's no part of it. Because he's 60 points to have fishbacks, I don't even think he can qualify to become,

because he's no one will give him money, and no one will give him a hearing. And that's what

I give me here. I don't think that he's even qualified, like, because he's not lived in the state long enough, per my understanding. Byron Donald's and New York, but he moved there 20 plus years ago. Fishback was living in Washington, DC until just recently. If you want to get into people's hands, and also, I think, I think, actually, and fishback is from the state. His family's been there for a long, long time. Many generations Byron Donald's moves to Florida, and like,

immediately gets arrested on a felony chart. So like, that's not just qualified, but if, as long as you come back, my personal, my biggest gripe with fishback, as you try to scam me, personally try to scam me out of 50,000. I don't know anything about that. When he was pretending to be a financial expert running different fudge, you know him, I met him through Twitter. You know, he used to be used to be, you know, buyer beware, Alex. He used to be,

he used to be one of the presence biggest offenders. Do you do a lot of your, your investment deals through Twitter? No. Okay. I don't do any of them. However, anyone who approaches you for an investment portfolio, you had to put her probably down. He's not just a Twitter guy, but he was a economic funding, done Fox. He was an economic funding on CNN. He was the head of a, you know,

different funds, right? That's what he said. The Zoria fund. And so, he also really wanted to

job with the Trump administration. He really wanted to go work for the Trump admin. He wanted to be on the commissioner for some agency, and he asked you that. I'm sure they're looking to do. And do I mean, it compared this to Byron Donald's biography? I know what I'm about. I don't think you did. But I'm getting the background on what I'm getting to here is how I met Fishback and him asking me from money. And then in Twitter in person, we met you send him money, and I didn't send a

money. We're square two weeks later, that was fun shuts down. Yeah. Well, so maybe he's not a great fund manager. I don't know anything about it. I question is, what was he going to do at the $50,000? Do you want to talk about Byron's rest record? Money was a child. We're not a child. He's not a child. He was a teenager. No, he was not a teenager. He was an adult. But whatever, whatever. I don't care about that, actually. And all I care about is like, are you a committed discerving the people on

his behalf? You're going to be elected? And two, are your ideas right? And right for those people? Who are you serving? That's it. Do you think, I'm asking you, not just Byron. If somebody got arrested when they're 19 or 20 years old for selling weed, and they're now 45 or 50. I don't care. You don't care. No. So I'm only throwing that out because it's like, okay, whatever. But no, what I do care about. I mean, I guess I care. I'm against weed for the record, by the way.

That's fair. But it's not even I am. I'm just good for you. You know, I totally find with medical cannabis. I don't like cannabis, you know, recreational. Being high all the time does not make you better. I've done it, but I smoke weed as a child a lot. It's not. Come on now. So life is amazing, experience it. You know, but no, I was just throwing that back to be like, okay, great. But the point is, A, we should have a democracy where the people get to decide who they vote for.

And they can decide that on the basis of a maximum amount of information about those candidates. And so why would the Republican Party floor to being, you know, shutting down debate? I want to hear the issues. I don't care so much about the people. That's why I get mad at

Trump. I was like, I like Trump. I'll always like Trump. I just like the guy. Well, speaking of debates,

one of my fair moments ever was during the Republican first Republican primary debate at 2024. And, you know, we had, we had a call, something called counter programming. When Donald Trump

sat down for an interview with a guy named Tucker Carlson. Yeah, remember that? And you guys crush

the ratings, hundreds, millions of views on social media compared to whatever the RNC debate pulled. Then why did they suck up to, then why, here's a question that I have. I know you're not running a calm shop directly, but like, or indirectly, or even, you're certainly involved in thinking through messages and how to get them out there. Fox News, like, why the emphasis on Fox News, all these Trump employees, all those employees, all those employees, all on Fox News,

it's got a tiny audience. It's controlled by people who hate Trump the Murdox. I know that personally, because I know them personally. And they're like against his agenda on a core level,

but no one ever gets sent out to podcast. You're like the first person. Well, it doesn't

It's been here in a long time.

question. Um, but Fox News, like it's irrelevant. Why make it relevant? So the podcast, that's a great question. The, you know, we had great success with the present going on podcast. We know the Joe and Joe Rogan and yours and Andrew Shawls. And I really like these guys. And they've been

critical of the admin on issues. That's okay. I still like them personally. But they don't if they

don't want to have a lot of the people on anymore. They don't make enough. They don't want to have the president down. They haven't sought out an interview with the president. And I'm sure if they asked, I'm sure you would do it, but they haven't asked. No, but that's, it's not just about

the president. I mean, he is the president. But also people like the admin. Like, I think these guys,

like, oh, those there's quest got shut down. My, my request got shut down. And I was like, I felt like I had been a pretty faithful Trump supporter, certainly like a lion. You saw that interview with the president. No, no, I could know, I just call him directly to that. But like, you know, the secretary of awesomeness or whatever, you have at least secretaries and charge of things.

Like, get 'em on. Nope, can't do it. And I'm not whining. It was fine. My life turned out okay. But I don't

understand the emphasis on Fox News. Like, oh, it's sometimes it's, sometimes it's the only platform that will have a son. Dude, that is not true. I mean, or CNN, for example, Fox refused to have Steven Miller on. Okay. But again, cares about CNN, nine people watch it. Right. I don't know. I think that if you start inviting people on the show again, maybe they'll come. But why, just why continue to make, I mean, once Trump has gone CNN and Fox are done, they're literally done.

Without Trump to talk about, no one's going to watch them. They will probably close down, literally. And you know, this better than anyone, you're the new media guy. Why keep them on life support? I don't understand when they hate you. They hate you at Fox. They hate you at CNN.

MS probably likes you more than that's the thing. Like, why do this? Well, it's important.

Get the message out and people are comfortable going out Fox, I suppose. And a lot of the

administration officials, they have relationships there. So they put, no, I think that's there's something

and just muscle. Also, a lot of the podcasters, they don't want to interview random cabinet members. Maybe you do. But other podcasts in, I guess, the podcast ecosystem, they don't want to interview a ranking file Republican congressman or a senator or I interviewed Ted Cruz. That was was a fun interview, by the way, which, which, you know, it was for me. I have disagreed with a lot of what you've said over the last, you know, here, or any, any take-down

Ted Cruz is fun for me. I don't like that guy. But Ted Cruz's views are identical to Randy Fines. So why is Ted Cruz bad, but Randy find his good? I don't say that Randy finds opinions are good. I think Ted Cruz's personality is just worse than Randy find you. I do. I think Ted Cruz is not a likable guy. Well, that's obvious. And so do I agree with everything? I think Randy find his tweet some ugly things. Really ugly things. And his views do not represent the views of the Trump administration

or my views. But I think Ted Cruz is just an unlikeable guy. And I want to share with your audience a

little story in January a few days before my wedding. I did this Trump accounts event, which I think Trump accounts is actually one of the great programs of the Trump administration. Every baby that is born in America for the next four years gets one thousand dollars invested in a tax-free vehicle that they can access when they're 18. And every year the parents can contribute to it, et cetera, et cetera. So I didn't invent to help introduce this new initiative with the

president was there. And I brought a very famous rapper named Nicki Minaj. And Nicki Minaj and I we did a little panel on stage. When we got off the stage, we were going to go over the White House to see the president and show Nicki the oval. Have a good time. We were walking out and all of a sudden I hear these footsteps running down the hallway and I turn around and it's Ted Cruz and his team chasing after us. Nicki, Nicki, Nicki, please can we get a picture? Can we get a picture? Can

you get a nightmare scenario? I'm like holy shit. This is Senator Ted Cruz who probably hasn't ran in a while. Oh, not in a while. Running down the hallway, chasing Nicki begging her for a picture like he was a fan girl at the concert. And just to be fun, I said, sorry Ted, we're out of time. We can't do any more pictures. Oh, his face was so pissed. And he like cornered us, he was trying to, and Nicki was like, you know, I feel back as Nicki's now kind of collateral

in this because she, I mean, she doesn't know the help Ted Cruz is. And so like I'm blocking him from getting a picture with her. And his team's like trying to snap angles of it and they're all blurry pictures. But I prevented it. And as I was leaving one of his staffers goes, we'll remember this Alex Bruzweitz. Oh my God, this is good. Well, you're on Ted Cruz. Yeah, I'm on Ted's list now.

No, I think I think Ted's a, I think Ted's a Joker.

priority as a U.S. Senator is to be a defender of a different country. I think that was a stupid

thing to say. And I actually do think he believes it though. Um, what do you think believes that?

You know, that's his position. That's his position. I don't know why he believes it. But I'm not a fan of Ted. Ted still thinks in the back of his mind that one day he can be present in the United States. I think it's going to happen. It won't happen. And it won't happen. And I think I actually spoke of the Jerusalem post-conference a couple of weeks ago. And Ted prides himself on being Israel's number one defender. Oh, yeah. He loves Israel. And I think he generally loves the country though.

But he, he has hurt the country. And I gave that speech at Jerusalem post. I said, I'm here today as an ally and a supporter of Israel. Somebody who wants to see American is in Israel have a strong relationship for decades to come. I truly believe that. And I highlighted how I think they're a great battle field proven partner. We've, you know, uh, they have great technologies that also can benefit American companies, medicine, etc. And I said, however,

Israel's approval rating in America, especially with my generation, Republicans under 30,

is at an all-time low. And that's not great. And one of the reasons I think it's so low

is not because necessarily if podcasters who are anti-Israel, but because of some of Israel's most ardent supporters in the United States, people like Senator Ted Cruz push people away. And this was an early June right after there is this idea that an Iran deal was close. And nobody knew what the Iran deal was, etc. Ted Cruz took to X and he slammed any prospects of a deal. You can't make a deal with the Iranian regime. You can't do this. You can't do that.

My two, this guy is no idea what the hell the deal, what's in the deal? Of course. And he's trying to get out in front of it to trash the present and undermine the administration. And I'm looking at this guy. And if he actually wants to help Israel, he would shut up. So I said that at the Jerusalem post conference, remind you, these are all Jewish people with love for Israel. They all cheered for me after I said Ted Cruz should shut the hell up.

Yeah. And so if he truly loved Israel, I think that he would be better served. He would better serve

them by not constantly defending. I'm on so high. I think that's a very wise point and it's not just Ted Cruz. It's Mark Levin has inspired more people to join BDS than, you know, the campus group ever. I mean, Mark Levin is like, he's clearly trying to get me fired by the way.

So that's the question. It's like, okay, Mark Levin hates Trump. He's always hated Trump.

He's worked against Trump openly for a decade. And then Trump does something that he agrees with. And he's the gatekeeper to Trump and Trump's best friend. Now he hates Trump again. And he's attacking Trump. How long does Trump continue to be friends with this guy? I don't know. You know, the president is unique. He can handle people who criticize him. And, you know, he isn't think they're low IQ crazy people. Only so. And, and, and look, but I don't think

Mark Levin was ever the president's best friend. You know, the president has different opinions around him. He's tweeting up. Why don't think Trump likes him? So that's my opinion. I'm actually he was just saying to F with you. You're thinking about that? Totally, that's totally possible. But that's literally possible. So, look, I think Mark is, I think he is part of a Republican party that has been left in the past. And they

are desperately trying to remain relevant. And they use conflicts, whether it's in the Middle East, or Mark Tyson, for example, the conflict in Ukraine. They use these issues to have a little bit of relevance to maintain their presences on Fox News. But the people aren't with them. And you see it in polling. Again, 60% of Americans support MOU. You look at Mark Levin's Twitter feed. He acts like everybody's against it. No, he's against it. Except for Mark. And his friends

who are probably coordinating in their messaging and talking points. But can you ask you one last

question? Yeah. I think it's a totally correct analysis. And I fall for it. And I always try to

remind myself, Mark Levin is not a player in any affairs, global or local. He's irrelevant. And his job is just like make me mad and suck me into his fantasy world. And like I should just ignore this. And you clearly have already figured that out. So don't take the bat. And don't take the bat.

That's, so real quick, and a little ex psychology.

ignore the common section. Yeah, because, yeah, because. And, and because you're not changing

opinions on X, nobody sees something on X go, oh, wow, I changed my mind on something. X is a nasty place. It's where you battle people. It's where it's a war of ideas. And some people cheat in the war of ideas they use bots. They use coordinated influencer campaigns. They, they sometimes they cheat

in the war of ideas. But it's not a place that you should get any, like you shouldn't think that's

reality because it's all manipulated. I agree. So, and that's the final question I wanted you to unpack. You've alluded to this a couple of times. You said if somebody, I'm embarrassed. I forgot who you're referring to. You said, I know that this person, or that you copi kid. Yeah. I know that

this person has taken money for other opinions and not been honest about it. That's almost exactly what

you said. What were you referring to? Well, there is a few different tweets that, you know, he's, he's posted about it. To his credit actually, I did see a paid partnership post underneath this one. But in the Georgia, in the Georgia, most recent Georgia election, he was paid to go to the country or state state for governor. Yeah. He was paid to go after this guy named Rick Jackson. And it says, Rick Jackson brands himself as aligned with conservative

priorities. But his businesses tell a different story. D.E.I. initiatives, diversity focused leadership and roles supporting gender related procedures, voters should look at actions, not slogans. And right, the balance is paid partnership. And then right above that tweet is another tweet that's very similar in language. But it didn't say paid partnership. Was he paid for it? I don't know. But it certainly looks like it. And here is the talking points that went out by a company

that word for word spells out what he wants, what, what you copi in it tweeting. Messaging. Rick Jackson claims to want to ban D.E.I. His own company has a track record of advancing the ideas of D.E.I. So all of these influencers were sent this memo here as you can see. And then I did a screenshot put it side by side with your Kobe's tweets. It's verbatim. And the company that was hired for this project just happens to be associated with prep rest

scale. So yeah. So it looks like you don't have evidence that this kid is working for bread per scale. No evidence that. I notice for the Iranian campaign for the Iranian campaign. So I notice on those rare occasions when I look at the stuff because it's designed to make you mad and the limit your ability to think clearly. So I really do try and stay away from X and cigarettes because both are so addictive. But I break down occasionally. And I noticed that

there are people who are constantly sending these long tweets about how we need endless war

who are also promoting like some very specific kind of car insurance. Yeah. What is that?

Yeah. That's another one. This girl, uh, Aryan Wexler. This girl. Who is that? That's a great question. Nobody knows. She came out of nowhere in in 2324. What is her name? Aryan. Aryan. Myxler. Aryan. Yeah. Nice name. Kind of a suspicious name. I don't know about that. You know, she's a, then she's a pretty girl and she started showing up at conservative events. And she got put in, uh, I got introduced to her on a campaign trail. She really wanted to get involved

with the Trump 24 campaign for whatever reason. But the girl suspects me out. You know, I'm very suspicious of people who come out of nowhere and they have a big following almost instantly. And but nobody knows who the hell they are. You know. And so she really want to get involved

with the Trump 24 campaign. I said, no, you know, it never actually never even entertained her.

And I would text, I actually texted some of my friends like, this girl. She had fed. You know?

Yeah. And you know, I don't know if I don't think she's a fed. But first question. Yeah. That's a lot of that. But she came, she came out of nowhere. So, you know, she's one of your biggest critics on social media. Why? One of yours, absolutely. So back this, uh, Wexler check. By the way, like, I did see something that you were on a podcast yesterday and you said, you think is real kill, Charlie Curry. I did not say that. What was it not said that? What was

the clip that I said, um, I've never said that. Okay. I know a lot of people, including in the Trump administration who think that. However, uh, there's no proof of that. Yeah. What I said was two things. One, I don't know when the command came down and from whom that we have to trust everything federal law enforcement says. But I'm not obeying that. We have a moral obligation to push

Federal law enforcement to the job we pay them to do, which is to investigate...

fully. And so for example, if there are people who predicted Charlie's death on Twitter,

I think the rest of us can expect that they've been hauled in by the FBI for questioning.

And I don't think they have been. So I don't know about that. But I think I do know what the disc, what you're talking about. The discord chats. No, I'm talking. Well, I'm specifically talking about the talk. I'm talking about the Twitter post. Oh, that seemed to predict Charlie's death. Maybe that thing. Yeah. I would, I don't know if that's been a mess. Get out of love for that to be. Yeah. So that's number one. Number two, just because someone is shot by one person doesn't mean

others weren't involved. And don't like, break me into accepting that assumption because I would never

accept that as why do I assume that? And three, to tell me that you know the motive before the trial even starts, that he was killed for his views on transgenders, maybe he was. Maybe it was more complicated than that. How would you know? You don't know. So stop yelling at me to accept a conclusion that you can't prove. I hear you on that. Why would you do that? This is my friend. I'm not, in, by the way, if I was murdered, I would expect people who loved me not to jump

to unwarrant a conclusions, put to press federal law enforcement to do its freaking job and stop

calling people names because they're asking you to do your job. I think a lot of people did jump

to unwarrant a conclusion. Maybe. I don't know if the warrants are not. And you know, right actually assassination, many people were with big platforms, not you were saying that Israel was behind it. And there's a lot of forms were saying that he was killed for his views on transgenderism. And we don't know that actually. We don't know anything. But Charlie was killed as he was talking about transgender. And this guy was Tyler Robinson, seems to be in love with transgender people.

That may be absolutely true. For me, and I think a lot of Americans, that seems like the most

plausible situation. But you're never going to catch me saying, because I don't know it,

the Tyler Robinson wasn't involved. I'm merely saying to foreclose the possibility that others were involved is irresponsible and into attack other people. Yeah. I'm certainly not here to attack you. No, you're not doing it. I'm just saying like, but in it's interesting, the people who have been like, I've been a journalist my entire life. I'm not proud of that because journalism is pretty gross in the way that it's practiced in this country. As you've just proven,

I mean, you've tell us like how fake a lot of this stuff is. But the basic process of journalism is not so different from the process of gathering evidence in a criminal investigation, which is you like, all leads should be run down that are not utterly preposterous. And if you're not doing that, then I have a right to ask, why are you not doing that? And if Joe Kent, who until the day he left at highest level security clearance in the Trump administration of

Joe Kent says, hey, I referred these leads to the DOJ and they ignored them and then got mad at me for referring them. What the hell is that? And if no one can answer you other than to call you anti-Semite, I'm like, that's not a real answer. Yeah. I don't think Joe is an anti-Semite. And no, me, but like, yeah, I don't think you're anti-Semite. I'm not alleging Israel did it. I can't prove that. But then, so then, I guess that is an example of a clip of yours that was being taken out.

Is Israel did it? That was the message yesterday. And that's what I saw. And so,

it's interesting that, I will say this, it's interesting that all the people who were telling you to shut up and accept a conclusion that hasn't even been reached in the court yet, they're all neocons. So, why is that? Who's running that campaign? Talk about a campaign.

And as his friend, here's what I want, and I've said it to the folks at turning point,

do I talk to who I like in some cases? No, everybody who love Charlie has an obligation to push for the most rigorous, open-minded, exhaustive, criminal investigation possible. And if you're not doing that, why are you not doing that? That's fair. And I had this conversation, and I called people the FBI directly, not being paid to do this a day, because I love Charlie Kirk. And it's like, what is this? And they didn't give me a good answer. Did you see that recently at the court hearing

that they're not making Tyler Robinson's lover testify? They're basically giving them spousal privilege. Yeah, what is that? That's a great question. And I think 30 points. And who's this guy who jumped up and claimed credit for the murder seconds after it happened? Who's that guy? Well, all of a sudden it's bust on Kitty porn charges and we can't talk to him. Well, I don't know what this adds up to, but I know we're just when I see it. And by the way, is there not footage of

Tyler Robinson pulling the trigger? Apparently they say that there is. No one has seen it, who I know, including high-level people have asked to see it haven't seen it. Why? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying, why are you acting like this? Sure. But I think it's, I trust you that you weren't saying it was Israel, but some people have just said if I have definitively said that, and I think that's also reckless. And so I've said it's Israel. I trust you that you said,

I trust what it looks like right now. But if I had proof there was Israel, I would just say so. Right. People have speculated that though and have definitively said that not you, others. I think that's reckless and irresponsible and does it to service to the investigation. I agree that

We, yes, investigations, the way that it's unfolded has allowed the space for...

to take place. Sure. And that is also the new media environment, the new social media system.

But it's just funny. Everyone's bad at the podcasters for it. The podcasters, you've got a freaking apartment of justice that we pay for billions a year that has the right to shoot you. They have unlimited police powers. They can tell you any lie they want and it's fine. If you lie to them, it's a federal crime. They have all the power. Therefore, they need all the accountability. I mean, that's just kind of how it works. And no one seems to be mad at the FBI

or the Utah State authorities for not answering simple questions about this stuff. And if you can't answer a simple question, maybe there's a good reason, what's that reason? Shut up, anti-Semite. I'm just not going to take that under any circumstances ever. Well, right now what it seems like though, at least in the right-wing media ecosystem, I agree that we should have a thorough investigation. Half the side. I'm actually more probably more than half the side says,

Tyler Robinson did it. And then there's a pocket of the internet that, personally, 100% says Israel

did it. And I think that, you know, one way of the tiebreaker with the DOJ giving us real

information on this and answering the question, and I actually called it, as I told you, I was saying again, I called the FBI highest level. Have you guys interviewed the people who appeared to have foreknowledge? We've got that cover to view interviewed them or not. This is just a common sense question. Couldn't get an answer. I maybe they have. I saw some TikTok post the

day before Charlie died that basically said, "Oh, Charlie's going to regret coming here." Thank you,

pardon. Thank you. You know, we're certainly aware of those posts. And so that should be but aware of, yeah, everyone's aware of it was on TikTok and Twitter, but have the people who posted those things been interviewed. If I go on TikTok and threaten the life of the federal official, I get an immediate visit from the FBI, immediate. And I should. I get it. I'm not against that. I have these guys received visits from the FBI. And last time I checked the answer was no.

So I think it's totally fair as a friend of Charlie's or just as an American who who believes it just has to be done to demand an answer. And I'm not going to be deterred from having people scream Candace Owens anti-Semite in my face. I'm just not ever going to be bullied by that

under any circumstances because why would I? Do you see what I mean? I hear you. I just think that

jumping to to your point jumping to conclusions could be reckless. And so a lot of people are jumping to conclusions that Charlie Kirk was killed because of his positions on transgenders and that's jumping to a conclusion. We don't know that. There's been no trial. But there was the letter that was picked up. But what do we know about that letter? Nothing. That was a press release.

There's more evidence leaning towards. Okay. The show me all the evidence. So that's what we're

having a court here. Exactly. So, but hopefully some of these questions are jumping to conclusions. Anyone who says shut up, he was killed by the trainees. I think what makes, I think what makes a whole process worse though is social media. Don't forget. And then that's why I haven't and then you try to stay out of this. And you have your teams and you have the clashing opinions. But how did Charlie Kirk's murder wind up a contest between people with different views on

foreign policy? I think that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. It's a good question. I think a lot of people are nefariously using Charlie's passing for self game. And I think that's wrong. But also for ideological ends and foreign imperatives. That's really clear to me. How did this become about that? If it's really just about transgenderism, then why is every person insisting it's only about transgenderism also attacking the MOU? Like what are we looking at now?

Alex Bruce, who it's like, I don't know it. Look, I'm a medium IQ person. Maybe even a low IQ person. But I'm just like noting what's happening and asking what is it out up to? And I don't know a little bit of a question. But it's weird. I hear you. You should be a shrink man. You're such a looking. I hear you. So I think that the whole thing was terrible. I remember where I was when when he got shot, I was actually in a meeting and Washington DC got bored in the meeting so I started

looking at my phone. And I saw Charlie got shot on him. I thought there's no way that he was going to survive that. I did too. And look, it was tough. And the aftermath has been even tougher. And I think that Erica gets treated incredibly unfairly by the media,

by the funding class. I think she's such a tough thing going on for her. It's the worst thing

I could have done. And she wanted to be strong. And Charlie, Charlie put on a show. Everything he did. He put on a great show. Yeah. And people are criticizing Erica for continuing

In Charlie's footsteps with the firework.

I think it's been the honest with you. I think a lot of it's been pretty unfair. I think they ask some fair questions. But I think the treatment of her generally has been horrible. And I think people should apologize to her. Well, I was texting with her yesterday and about yeah. So whatever personal stuff. But yeah, there are a few people I feel sadder for than her. Yeah. Because the fact is no matter where you are and anything, here's a woman who's a widow with two small kids.

Yeah. And those two small kids just had their first father's day without Charlie. I'm aware.

Yeah. And no, we want justice for Charlie. And we should be demanding it. Yeah. But I think it's a disservice to use him for political gain or gain of viewership on their podcast. It's a disservice for Netanyahu to make it about Netanyahu, which he did. That was a unique process. Yeah. I didn't don't think that was necessary. You know, that's the one. I think he's chronically online.

I don't think there's anything overtly nefarious. I think BB's chronically online. Really?

I think he very much cares about the sentiment about him on social media in America. That's why he saw. And he has the problem of people at a chronically on. Ron DeSantis was chronically online. We took the advantage of him for being chronically

online during the 24th personally, trekking his voice, scrolling, seeing what people say about him

really. And if you remember DeSantis really had a moment when Trump was kind of in no man's land after 2020 election. Yes, DeSantis started having his moment. And what he would do is he would see what was trending on right wing X that day. The next day, he would do a press conference or come on my show or go on your show, addressing that issue. And it made him seem like he was one of us when in reality he was just reading what we were talking about and then taking action. Oh,

that's smart. It was a good political step. No, it's totally what he was chronically online. And so in 2024, when he ran for president, we muddied the water form. Every time he looked on Twitter, people like me were tweeting about his boots in his choice of footwear or the makeup he was using that day. And we made X a place for him that he didn't like. And he kind of lost his mojo. He couldn't really figure out what got that said. So we got it and said,

life by the algorithm died by the algorithm. I think BB, you know, there's theories about him that he's this grand mastermind of all these people. No, no, no, no. I think he's chronically online. He's a day trader. I think he sees what people say about him on social media. And he reacts to it. And I think that's when you're the world leader, I think it's terrible.

And that's why I love the president for not feeling the pressure from the chattering class

on these issues. He's not hearing it from the chattering. He's not taking the opinions of these paid influencers who want the water continue. I think that's great. But I also think, you know, you need to synthesize your own opinions with those of the people you represent. Sure. But I don't care about gas prices. But I think care about the, I think it cares what the Iranian nuclear program like talk about getting in people's heads convincing Americans that the

Iranian nuclear program is more important than gas prices. It's like the craziest. I don't think expundance are a place where I don't think X is a place. You can get this sent to me. I can totally agree with that. So, but public opinion polling over, you know, first on every poll, of course, but like the water, a president gets your president trump gets his opinions from is when he goes to Pennsylvania where he went to a truck factory yesterday. Well, Mariams. And it also calls. So, like, that's bad.

I'm sorry. It's bad. I think the president takes more direction from the Patriots who

should up at the Pennsylvania rally yesterday for him than his donors. Well, he, I think he has always

has and that has been his great strength. That has been his great strength and everyone would always make fun of trump for doing these endless rallies and giving us endless speeches or whatever, but I always felt, and I didn't want to watch them all because there's just too many of them. But I always felt like it was important for him. It was like, he loved it for one thing. But it was, he could feel the energy from the crowd and like their interests, you could engage people's

interest by their response to your lines. Yeah. Super important exercise. Well, I encourage you, if you like those, I encourage you to watch as many trump rallies as you can because they're not going to be here forever. And, you know, I actually, I've been, well, on a trump rallies. One of the

things I regret now in my life is Charlie and I both spoke at this, Charlie Kirkland. We both spoke

at this event in South Korea. I spoke before him and I was tired, you know, the jet lag. Yeah. And, Charlie was about to go on stage and he was like, yeah, I was used to stick around, you know, it's really sweet. I said, no, I got to get out of here. I got to go, I mean, I'm tired and it was Charlie's last public speech and I didn't, you know, stick around the watch it because I was tired. So, you know, same with Trump, you know, Trump is not perfect. I think he, but I think he is the best

That we've had, at least in my lifetime.

people of the country. I think he genuinely cares about the people that he goes out and he wants to

represent in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Ohio and Florida. I think he genuinely cares. And do we have

the greatest team around us in the Republican Congress and Senate? Absolutely not. But we have two years left of the Donald Trump experiment. And if the Democrats win, that experiment's going to be muddied by impeachments and bullshit. And so, you know, I do encourage your audience to to get involved in the primary process as much as they can. They don't like the Republican is currently in office. Go get somebody that you do like. But we have two years left

to the Donald J. Trump experiment in our country. And I think people are going to miss him when he's gone. I want the last two years to be wholly focused on the United States and not on Netanyahu's concerns or since he's anyone else's concerns. Like, that's kind of your problem. And, you know, we don't hate you, but like deal with Trump. No, we're having a discussion before this about Latin

America. Yeah. I think it's exciting what's happening in Latin America. And administrations before this

one were more focused on the Middle East and countries that were thousands and thousands of miles away were while our own backyard has been suffering. And, and because of the suffering in the backyard, all of these illegal aliens came into our country. You don't need to tell me, man. And so, I'm so mad about the Iran war. This administration, this administration has prioritized strengthening some of these countries, not at, not at, not at the cost of hurting our country,

but, but helping these countries become more stabilized, become more economically strong, because if they have, if they have strong countries, the migrants are going to come to us on the hemisphere. I mean, you're, I think, that preacher quietness. No doubt. So, I think that I think that the present has been more focused on this hemisphere than that, despite the excursion there.

He's certainly more focused on domestic policies. And I think that, as we get to the next four

or five months of, you know, as we ramp up into the midterms, you know, see a lot more of a domestic question. Can you ask him to just stop listing to people who don't like you don't have your best interest or the nation's best interest at heart? Just ignore those people, whether it's whatever mark, peace in, as you call them, or mark 11, as I call them, or the Murdoch, or whoever, people who are just like, and just return to the concerns that, you know, your voters love you for,

caring about, you know, do I say, Thesison incorrectly? I don't know who even care. Like, what is

that? I've never heard of this guy except for when I see him on social media. I don't know what he does.

Box green room. I think that the present hears the opinions of as many people as possible. And he'll ask if the janitor was in the room, he would ask the janitor about his opinion on that topic. You know, he doesn't, you know, he's got his advisors, he's got his cabinet members, but in any as the public sent the men, he goes to a rally and he pulls the crowd, do we like sleepy Joe or or a crooked Joe better? You know, that's a cute example, a silly example. But he

feels the energy when he says something in a speech, he can feel, let me ask you, if the janitor and I love that about him, and I try to be that way, you know, just like, to keep your filter course, you get a lot of information and then went on through. I text with janitors, literally, I'm with you on that. But if the janitor says to you, I got a hot stock tip for you.

Take $500 million in, you know, go into this IPO and the IPO tanks and you lose all the money.

Next round, you're not taking investment in the janitor. You're like, you cross him off the list of people to consult for investment advice. If Mark Levin and Mark T. Sin and Sean Hannity and Rupert Murdock all come to you and like, I've got a great idea. regime change won't run. All you got to do is kill the, I told the place will collapse. They're going to put some pro Israel pro America guy to run the place. You're like, okay, you do it. It doesn't work. You got to have to cross them off the

list of people to get solved for future foreign policy advice. I dare. I don't think it went down exactly that way, but but the president seeks out counsel for many people and he doesn't take the opinion of one person to make a decision on that. And so, but I do hear what you're saying. I personally don't want any advice from Mark Levin personally. And I think he's incredibly unhelpful to the country. I don't think he's brought any voters to the Republican party.

I think he pushes people away from the party. But it's not up to me. And then there's people on the other sides of issues that I also should think I have no say because they're crazy. They're crazy the other way. But again, it's not up to me. And so, you know, the president, I think,

Would so great about him is he's willing to have conversations with people.

that people tell him? No. Sometimes, you know, he might be more aligned with that group.

Sometimes he might be more aligned with the way you think. But he's the president for everybody.

He's focused on doing, in his opinion, what's best for the American people. That's his focus.

And so, you know, we at the fun part of just being cheerleaders on the sidelines wherever the

hell we believe and they want to do. So, you know, that rides, you know, the Trump experiment's

gone in two years. And I think we're all going to miss it. So, I encourage you, even if you disagree

with him on something, even if you don't like what he's doing, I know you still love him personally.

Just remember that. Two years from now, he's gone. And we're going to miss him.

Ever going to be complaining that the whole process is so fucking boring again, because everybody before Trump was so fucking boring. Unless it gets way more exciting in a bad way, which I'm against. Who knows? We'll find out in two years. I really appreciate your breaking the embargo and coming to see me. It was great. Great to see you. Talk to us, which was, thanks.

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