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Don't have had surgery or not, but anyway, breaking your pelvis is a serious injury.

And coming back from this first race back,

he said he was 24 days at the altitude with the team and with Ramko. And that Ramko had made him suffer a lot. And that now he is feeling in great shape. The best shape in his career, he says. Whoever is injured and is several months out, I know.

Don't lose your hope because, look, here's another example of a guy who was out. Hasn't raised the sense the beginning of the season and wasn't the best shape. I mean, that's it. Those are his own words. Johnathan advice in the zero, same thing. Everybody welcome back to the move plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Berniel.

We are wrapping up. We are reviewing talking about stage six of the fake dough fina. The dough fina that used to be just finished with Maxine Van Hils getting his first win. And his first race back since breaking his hip, a classic high end earlier this year. We'll go through how the GC is playing. I kind of have an interesting, more interesting than I thought GC situation will get Johans.

Take on that with Luke Tokwell from Red Bull Boir of hands grow, taking the race lead by more than three minutes over previous favorite Paul success. We'll also go over a little bit of news and how this race and a few of the kind of unfortunate incidents and dropouts will affect the two of the fronts. But first, Johan, we got an episode of the move on the move. You're not at home right now. Where are you? Looks like you're in a palace, actually. I'm not at home. I'm not at home. I need a use. I see Spencer.

No, I'm in Marrakesh, Morocco. Came here to ride bikes with a friend who has a very nice place here invited me.

So today was our first ride very early in the morning because, you know, and usually I always leave at 10 a.m.

“But here you have to leave at 6.3645 in the morning to have some time that it's cool enough to ride.”

But, but yeah, I'm here. I'm here for a few days and anywhere are you? I'm equally equally luxurious place. I'm in zone for London. So if you see me, if you see me at a Richmond park, I'm on probably Richmond is a beautiful place. I'm in maybe on the least picturesque street and all of Richmond, the crap part of Richmond. But we're close to the park where we have to be in London for a few months, but if you see me at a Richmond park,

Cernhill Velodrome, say hello. It's the opposite of the weather situation you're having. I'm not sure if it's going to crack 30 degrees. Actually, I shouldn't say that. It's been cool, but in London, you want it to be cool because you know as a former Londonite yourself,

Johann, it can get hot and it is maybe the worst feeling in the world. It is plus. Yeah, it is crazy. It's very, it's very unbearable when it's really hot. So you're close to Richmond Park, so there's plenty of cyclists there.

“So you can go on group rides, basically whenever you, whenever you like, no?”

Yeah, it's Richmond Park. It's almost a non-consensual group ride. You go out there anytime of the year in a group ride. There's beer and a race, basically. It is madness in that park.

It's not an easy loop. It's quite hard. It's quite hard. It's a good loop, I think. Kind of this whole Kingston Richmond corridor, there's quite a bit of cycling culture here.

I guess it's featured because the Olympic road race in 2012 came up through Richmond Park for finished. In the time trial started, just south started finished, right south of Kingston and Hampton Courts. So it is kind of cool out. It has a cycling, a deep cycling culture out here.

“Yeah, did you take your bike or your renting a bike there?”

I do have a bike with me. I brought a disc brake and that's a rim brake bike. Because it is easier to travel with, like, significantly easier to travel. That's true. Yeah, that's true.

You know, every time you travel with a bike with rim brakes, you always cross your fingers

that when you put the wheels back in, the discs are not going to rub. And if you're not a specialist, I am absolutely not. I have no clue about fixing this brakes. It's a hassle. So that's a smart, that's a good idea.

Travel with a rim brake bike. Yeah, I think we both have this wonderful cyclone bag that you can just put the bike into. But with the family got to fit everything in the car. I have to pack it into a smaller bag, so it's easier to do with an older bike. I also have an issue with, because I live around 2,000 meters.

When I travel with the disc brake bike, the brakes function differently. Because I think the hydraulic pressure is different. It's different based on, like, if you go from 2,000 meters to 5 meters in London.

That's my theory.

I never thought about that.

But, okay, well, anyways, we're here. You know, we're both in remote places, but we're here for our, the move listeners and audience. So let's go over what to call it. We're going to run out. Toffee can ask you.

What's the name of this race? Well, the air. I think I'm going to keep calling it Doffyney until, yeah, I mean. It's not, I mean, the thing is they do not, they do not actually enter in the Doffyney region at all. Yeah.

The whole, you're in the hole, right? So, you know, Doffyney was formerly called Doffyney Liberate, the name of the organizing newspaper. So, that's all, that's all finished since ASO to go over. But anyways, important race, Spencer, you know, usually the big race before the two of the France. Preparation race, but also like, it's a hard race, you know, and Haley stages.

And this is not, this is no different. And I think it's, it's an interesting development, no.

“And I assume they got paid to do the name like this, that's why they're, the Doffyney wasn't,”

they don't, they didn't race in the Doffyney Doffyney wasn't shown. Oh, sure, for sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we respect people getting paid. So, I've been, I, I look at the elevation every day for this race. And not, not a lot has happened before today, but it is hard.

So, stage one, 3000 meters of elevation. And if you're watching it, it's also only televised for the last two hours. So you'd flip it on, you probably see like, oh, it's just a little break away as a way. There's a little GC split happening. Oscar on Lee gets away with Kevin Vucklan, they get 12 seconds on the, on the rest of the GC guys,

which is actually more significant than you think. Because there's no time bonuses at this race, which is strange. I haven't seen that in a major race for a long time.

But the second day, and then Alex put on from EF1, that stage and took the elegers.

And everything was cagey because there's a third stage team time trial. So everyone's kind of waiting for the team time trial. Stage two, this is crazy. 234 kilometers. It's like a monument, Johan with 3700 meters of elevation gain.

That's one of the, that might be the longest stage, you know, one week race. I've maybe ever seen. That's ridiculous. And so obviously no one's going to control that with a team time trial the next day. No major teams are going to send a rider in the breakaway.

You know, ex who, uh, Tobias Holland, New Hansen, there's GC guys dropped on stage one. They get the break. They win the day. Pretty impressive. Like they seem to just be able to circle these days that they want to get in the break and win.

Team time trial comes around. And I, it's for this Perry niece rules, which we're going to see at the tour.

“And it's so instead of the normal team time trial rules, what I believe it was time from the fifth”

rider, fourth rider, fifth rider. So like that fifth rider. Yeah, everyone gets their own time. So in theory, if you were the best time trialist in the world and everyone on your team was terrible, you could just leave them and go and go finish.

But it adds, I think it adds a super interesting component. And they add uphill finishes. So if you have two leaders, you both want to be there. You can kind of see the leaders racing each other on the uphill finish. But team, these Malice bike wins.

Well, Bernard dropped early. Early finishes over five minutes back. And we talked on the phone yesterday. Well, the marketing dropped in a team time trial. That's unthinkable.

And then we found out that he had a crash and training leading into this. Was not himself. That's very not himself. And probably will affect the team at the tour. Mateo Jorgensen wins the stage.

Net company Nios second, nine seconds back.

Oscar on late Kevin Voklan finish. Same time. They had this issue with drop chains. They were dropping chains all over the course. Oscar on lead dropped his chain.

I believe it was a one by. So it's kind of weird. They're getting dropped chains on that. And they wait for him. He does get the chain back on pretty quickly.

Voklan wants to keep going. He's like motioning like let's keep going. They do wait for him, which. That's got to be the right move. I can't imagine.

That would look bad if he was just dangling waiting for his team. One in the team to wait for him and they were riding. I think I think so Spencer.

“I think I think at that point in the race, the stage tree.”

It's clear that there's two leaders. But let's not forget that only is on paper. The better climber of the two finished for them to do the round last year. And this is basically the race where they come back into action after training camps. And you know, both of those riders will be the leaders for the tour of emails or net company now.

So I think it was the right call. At that point, you have to wait. Especially if it's, you know, it's it's a drop chain. It's not like you have to get off the bike.

You could do it.

You could do it while he was on the bike.

A bit surprised. However, that, you know, they have multiple issues. The same issue. So that's not. Great.

Another great look for professional team like net company emails. But I mean, mechanical problems can happen, of course. But if it's several the same ones, there's obviously something wrong.

“But I think it was, you know, vocal out was frustrated.”

But, you know, the guys in the car who made the call to wait for only think was the right thing to do. I mean, do you have a protocol before a team time trial, like if a leader has a mechanical? Obviously, if a leader gets dropped and there's two leaders, you probably just believe him. But yeah, if they get in trouble, you probably. You're always waiting.

And it also depends. It also depends on the situation where it is in the stage.

You know, if it's in the first half, if it's in the last 10k.

And, you know, I don't know, I mean, or if it's in the last 5k, for example, and you're in the running for winning the stage, then a call needs to be made on the go. Okay, let's just risk it and we just go for the stage win, right? But I don't think they were in the running actually. I mean, maybe they were close.

Yes, this is where Vaklon, you can cut. So they were up. They were up big. They actually lost Sam Watson, I think, to a drop chain. And they still were taking time. I'm manned down. I calculated it lost.

It's caused some about 15 seconds waiting for him. And they lose the stage by nine. So yeah, maybe they could have won the stage. But yeah, but ultimately, you know, as a team, a team like Enails, they're there to, you know, with another goal.

There with two leaders, you know, to do the last preparations for the tour, and try to have a good GC for the confidence of both riders, of course, also.

“I think that that's what they should have done.”

Wait, like they did. So I can't, I can't criticize that decision. Vaklon will have this agreed, but it looks today. It looks like Vaklon is not going to podium in the doffy name. After his performance of the day, I mean, he was not bad, but he was not up there with the best 5 or 10 riders.

So, yeah, unfortunately, it turned out that Oscar only crashed today, and they, you know, he's out of the GC, and then hopefully not out of the race. But, you know, at that point, you can't know what's going to happen to a three days later, right? Yeah, and at the time, they Oscar only leaves the stage with the big lead over,

Paul's six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, and a little bit of a lead over Jorgensen, a big lead over Del Toro's. So, in theory, like what we're going into the mountains, we got to lead on these guys. I mean, who's to say, maybe they can't take a minute back on us.

So, you know, I think you have to do it. And also, do you want the other jersey? You're Kevin Valklon, it's a big deal. For net company Nios, I don't know if they really is. Yeah, I mean, he has had to do a lot of work on the front.

Yeah, this yellow. I mean, obviously, for EF, it was great to have the jersey, especially for Baudin, who's also Alex Baudin, who's a French rider. So, for him, the highlight of his season, you know, winning that stage, being in yellow,

defending it in a team time trial. That was a really good performance of EF. But, yeah, I mean, I think he nails. If they could have taken the jersey, they would have done it. You know, they're not, they're not that rich in victories.

I would say to say, you know what, we don't care. We'll let you, we'll just let the jersey to someone else because we're going to take it later on the race. That's, Nios is not in that kind of situation. Yeah, and something Nios talks about a lot

that I, you know, it's just one of these things you don't know, like unless you've been in it, practicing, having the jersey is really important. You know, if you're one of these guys like me or Benji or Patrick

“and you're on the outside, you're like, yeah, whatever, right?”

Just get on the front and ride guys. But, you know, I bet that does make a big difference,

because if you've never had a jersey as a team,

you don't know how to defend the jersey. So, it is important to get the jersey at some point to then defend them. Stage four was, it's just been a funky race, because a lot of these stages are so hard. And very hard to control.

So, stage four was, again, 2300 meters of climbing was kind of one of the most straightforward stages in the race. And it was a breakaway win. The breakaway didn't really ever, it took a long time to get away.

Never had a big gap. Quinn Simmons is in there with nine other riders and he. Everyone assumed Finn Fisher Black was going to win this sprint. Finn Fisher Black is like, very good rider. He's done.

that unanimous thought that he was going to win. Quinn Simmons wins the sprint after pulling quite a bit. They also got lucky that Pablo Castrilo from. He's on Movistar. He was famously on Kernfarma and won multiple stages of the vault a few years ago.

But he was pulling really hard in that move. They had a tailwind. They stayed away by four seconds. Well, then our wins, the sprint behind. So, in theory, he misses out.

But Quinn Simmons, it's his first win.

I think since sweet last year and then after the stage. And then after the stage. He knows how to make his stage. He knows how to pick his wins. Definitely.

I mean, I'm going to assume. I mean, it's not his first win. I mean, it's his first World Tour win since then. Because after Switzerland, he did win the Nationals before the Tour, right?

I think. Well, I think it was inverted last year. So he wins and then wins. Okay. Now it's changed. Now the Nationals in the US are coming up now, right?

Before the Tour, it's insane. Yeah. I mean, it's at the same time as all the other Nationals.

“But, you know, the advantages you have to trip.”

You have to trip, you know, and the jet lag in the time difference. Well, when does Australia have their Nationals, Johan? Yeah, in January. In January. Why would the US just not do that?

I don't understand any of this. Yeah. But anyways, I think it was a great win of Quinn Simmons. You know, it's when that guy, man, when he has his day, he's so strong.

Like, you know, I think everybody in that breakaway felt that he was unbelievably strong. And then he was one of the driving forces of that breakaway and still manages to win it. I mean, won't say quite comfortably in the sprint.

Very done. It didn't really look and doubt to me. Yeah. Very, very dominantly, you know, it's interview afterwards was also very confident.

You know, he kind of knew he was, he had it in the legs. So of course, I think, you know, I mean, I think Quinn Simmons is in a different position this year. Then last year, I think last year, and Switzerland is after Dolphine.

So he had to wait to win that stage and then finally little track they couldn't do anything but take him to the tour after that. And that was also a very impressive stage last year, I remember.

It was a really hard stage, he won. So I think he's in a different position. Now he's, I think he has his spot secured in the tour of France, he's already before the Dolphine.

But, you know, there's always uncertainties, right?

There's always maybe 10 or 11 candidates for eight places. So it doesn't hurt. If you have that, you know, stage when in the bag and say, you know, okay, you know,

“you need to take me because I'm winning races”

and I'm in great shape. And I think for Quinn Simmons, that's both of those conditions are fulfilled. You know, he's in great shape. He was again in the break today, by the way.

Yeah, and he was even strong in the break. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, looks to me like, I mean, who can beat him in the nationals? Is it the hard course?

Is it the same course as always? They switched every couple of years. The US national situations are disaster, but yeah, he's going to win it. Nobody can beat him.

Well, you never know.

You never know he's going to win it.

Listen, you winning is difficult everywhere. You know, even if it's lower level, if you're the best true, it's not easy. You know, you have to be like the strongest by far to win as the outright only favorite.

So he might win it.

“I mean, I think he considers this jersey to be his,”

like for as long as he races probably. I mean, so it would be nice if he can repeat it. It would be the third time, right? If he wins, would it be his third title? Yeah, he won in 2023.

Yeah, and it was a Knoxville. And then the Charleston course is like perfect form. It's hard to imagine. And also, you know, doing the two of the fronts in your national position is always very special.

I mean, frankly, it's great for his brand like to be to have his hair to have his look and to have the jersey. He does stick out. It's like just cynically. I think he should do it. But Johan, is it a good idea?

No one's going to beat him with this race because no one's going to do this race. Because it's June 21st the week before the two of the fronts. Yeah. And he has to fly. He flew to France for this race.

He's flying back to the US to resist and flying back to France for the two of us. That's a good idea. It looks like he's got this dialed in this traveling and stuff. It's also, it's hard on the body. But you know, his young recovery is pretty good.

If he's not great in the first two, three stages, that's fine in the two of the fronts.

You know, we're still a big part of the team.

“I think it's important to have the stars and stripes in the team.”

For their brand, right? So I would guess that track is obviously supporting or maybe. Asking. I'm not going to say demanding, but asking consumers to participate in the national championships. That would be my guess.

Yeah. I mean, clearly, clearly does not enjoy being in Europe. I think he said in his postory center really is like, I think I'm doing well because I came. I've spent minimal time in this country as I cheese. Well, that's not that.

I don't think that's there's no truth to that because, you know, if 95% of the calendar of professional cycling is in Europe,

“I think you should be here basically all the time.”

It seems to work for him, you know, I think he raises the races that he has selected. And he enjoys training in the states. I think he does quite a bit of altitude trace. He's not training a lot in New Mexico or yeah, that's the weirdest thing about this.

He's very like big into altitude training and two second in New Mexico or Colorado.

Yeah, I mean, he does go to New Mexico a lot because it is good altitude training. But then before the biggest race of the year, he's disrupting altitude to go. I mean, I think, yeah, he's I guess like we've decided he's got to win the jersey because that's important for him. And important for the team. So he's got to do it, but that is disruptive to your altitude preparation for the tour. Yeah, that would be what I worry about.

Like because if he's on a business class flight with no kids, with no two kids to take care of, it's pretty easy. Like when I flew over to London just the other day with the kids felt terrible, but when we did that show and Belgium, I felt fine. You know, like it is, if you really take it seriously, you can I sure you can make it work. Um, stage five of the next day was very straightforward. Well, in our wins the sprint. I don't know if you watched this, but he didn't leave the he didn't leave, but he looked like a cap one race in a cap five race.

He was in the top four positions for the last 10k, you know, like, didn't move. Was it a perfect position for the sprint? It looked, dare I say easy for him. And then he drops out of the race. Yeah, yeah, yeah, complications from with his elbow from a crash and training, which I was surprised to see that, you know, he started. I mean, we were so we were all bit surprised that he had difficulties in the first three stages, including in the team time crowd.

But then we found out about this crash, right, and training on his time crowd by boat said something about it. He was on fault. He didn't pay attention crashed. Turns out that. So he wins stage five, which everybody thinks, I mean, I thought, okay, you know, it's good, you know, he's back. You know, at least his motivation will be great.

It's never easy to win a stage, although the sprinters, the big sprinters are not here.

So we mean, well, one art in theory should win that sprint, but. And then that this morning decided to not start, and then the reports are that the elbow is swollen without too much of an explanation. Explanation sorry, and I'm speaking French here, so it's, so it's explicasyong explanation. But if I see the comments, I saw the comments of one of the sport directors. I'm kind of worried, I'm kind of worried that there's going to be something else that could be, you know, a small airline fracture or something because if it's, well, that's, you know, there's something there.

“I think it's the right call. I mean, if you listen, if you're injured, then you have this issue with your elbow.”

It makes no sense to do this last three mountain stages, right? Definitely not for a result for one art. I mean, you could say, if he's, if he's, you know, healthy, then he can do those stages and work on his condition. But it seemed that I think that the crash has had a bigger impact than everybody expected, including one art himself.

And I think that explains kind of also his, you know, not so good performance in the first three stages.

Yeah, it's something to worry, I mean, worried for an art, and it's, it's worried some also for Visma because having an art or not having one art on the two different team, that makes a big difference. A huge difference. Yeah, if he's not if he's there and he's on it, it's, it also stinks for us. I love like that's a tradition now watching. I mean, especially for your son, no, your son is like the biggest lawyer in the art plan, right? I can't ask him. He's like, did you know what was going to win? I was like, I didn't know, but he keeps asking me all the other day. Like, is without going to win any of these other stages?

And like probably not because he's not at the race, but I'm not going to tell you that.

I mean, I just, I enjoy watching them, but yeah, this is not good for Visma. You know, imagine before the tour. He plays such an important part on that team.

And if they don't win, it's kind of crazy to think they don't win the overall, but they can count on what for a stage win. That's not easy to do, just open when a stage at the tour. But he usually pulls through. Let's take a quick break you on and then we'll talk about two stage stages. Oh, also, I'll be speaking of Visma Spencer.

“So, am I mistaken or have I forgotten this? Is Laport also out for the majority of the season?”

That is such a good question, because he's been nowhere after I think he's out of good. I do right. Out with quadricepter crash and train. Yeah, yeah, so those two riders, fun art and Laport for the tour de France team, you know, for positioning. We're riding in the bunch with Jonas, Team Tantral to really big engines.

I was like two guys that they're going to miss if they're, I mean, I'm not, I don't want to get ahead of the things. I mean, it looks like Laport is not making it for sure, but I hope I hope on art can make it to the tour.

And in good condition, because remember last year, he started the Giro and he was also struggling at the beginning of the Giro and finally ended up winning a stage.

But, you know, he was not good in the beginning of the Giro.

“Yeah, you're right. Do you know, like, it's hard to explain to people how good you have to be?”

Yeah. To show up, be at a shape and then win a stage, not only win a stage, but like in the Giro, he beats EZicto Toro in the most iconic stage of that race. Like that is an insane level of talent. Like almost incomprehensible because the rest of us are just getting worse and worse and worse. Laport has raised 15 times this year and finished outside the top 10, three times.

So he's been very good this year. That's a huge blow for them to not have him.

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Okay, you're on. So, today's stage six. It's the, the Delfine, the fake Delfine, whatever we're calling it these days.

It started with the mountain stage. I'm seriously did not know that, but it held true to its tradition that it always kind of is a slow simmer.

And then the last three days, it blows open. Usually the last weekend is when it blows open. And today was the first of the mountain stage. It was funny dynamic, because we had the big previous favorite pulse success falling back in the GC almost no fault of his own. You know, he kind of missed the move on stage one when those guys got away like ideally you're in that because they gained 12 seconds and without time bonus just 12 seconds is a lot like think the difference between first and second in the team time trials nine seconds.

So, if you could get that, those time trial gains are going to cost you a lot of money. So, 12 seconds and not something you want to throw on the side of the road.

He is a, his team doesn't have a great team time trial. Same thing with Del Toro. So, if the two strongest riders falling down the GC standings, but not because they're racing poorly, it's kind of a perfect actually a perfect dynamic in terms of entertainment and for the race. So, stage six comes along. It's, it pretty, I thought a pretty simple stage. It meet with my naivete because it's two categorized climbs in the middle of the stage and then two climbs to finish the stage and it's kind of flat alpine valleys in between.

It's like this area around Geneva and Albertville. It's like these big alpine valleys with mountains around them. That we don't see it, but a 60 rider breakaway gets away. So, when, when the TV turns on and there's four red bulls, there's four uno X's and they are driving this break hard. There's a lot of team driving this break with multiple riders up there.

“When the TV comes on, I'm just looking at my notes right here. So, I have it right. I think it's a three and a half minute gap and the Catholics on the front.”

So, and there's not really anyone in this move that you're that concerned about, except Luke Tuckwell, who's a 21 year old kind of unproven climber on Red Bull. But then by the top, I guess this is why you don't let a 60 rider move go because by the time they get to the final climb, the gap is five minutes. Any of those comes to the front. I don't know if you ever really want to make the race harder for Paul success, but that's what they do. Unfortunately, their leader, Oscar on the crash is out on the descent and they had a rider just traveling in the move, who broke his collarbone before the TV came on.

On the crash is out on this is short descent. It may be three minute descent in between the two climbs. I don't think they've realized it because they have a door and go on on the front like blowing the race up. It drops all of the cat on riders. What did you say on our live show in Belgium though? Once these guys are isolated, they attack. So Paul success says, "Oh, my team's not here. I'm going to go really hard." He just goes to the front and just rides hard. There's nothing more to it than that. Drops everybody except at a point. It was him, Jorgensen and Del Toro. Jorgensen gets trapped at 1.5 K to go. I thought he's out of the contention.

He doesn't like Del Toro and his wheel. He slows up and makes Del Toro come through. Del Toro passes to the finish. I tend to think they were watching each other and not going all along.

“Yeah, yeah, still. But I think obviously they were watching each other. But anyways, let's go back to the 60 man break away, right? As a team. And especially, I think this is obviously also the price that.”

Decathlon and especially sexes are paying with this hype and this huge favorite role that sexes. I'm not going to say pushed into because he likes it and the way he gives interviews. He considers himself as, I mean, rightfully so. He's a huge talent, but you know. The way he's been giving interviews is like, you know, okay, I'm winning this race. I'm the best here and it doesn't really matter what happens in these stages. I'm going to make up that time, which is still possible, but you're not the only one in this race. You know, so that's the cost of having this big talent that nobody was everybody was looking at that.

To do the work. And if there's 60 riders up front with, as you say, several three, four teams with three or four riders. And today cycling with teams of seven riders in these one week stages.

I mean, you know, weakest, so to say, riders that have to do the pulling, if you don't get any help, it's it's came over. You know, it's like, I think, luckily, they could limit.

“I mean, initially with the work of tech at London and the development of the race, it came back to around three minutes, right?”

But, but man, 60 man, if you have nobody in there, there's nothing you can do as a team. You cannot correct the situation, you just have to hope that first of all in front.

A big group is usually not the best situation for a perfect, perfect collaboration, but if there are teams in there who believe in their leaders, then they have three or four riders, then there's going to be a lot of rhythm in that. Secondly, you have to hope that you're not going to be alone in the pursuit as the team with the big favorite. It's always good. If you're not the only favorite, then you have help, which I mean, I haven't seen that part of the stage, but it seems to me like they didn't get a lot of collaboration initially

To keep that break away under control, break away 60 riders, I mean, half of the Peloton is like a Peloton, you know. So these races are not easy to control man, and you know, since the times it's been a few years now already, but you know, since the teams have gone down from eight to seven in one week races, and then big stage races from nine to eight riders per team, it makes it a lot more difficult to control as a team.

“We don't seem to see this as much when the big guys are here. It's hard to imagine this happening at the tour with Pagachar and Vinagar, but when they leave, stuff gets crazy.”

I mean, the zero you would say was the opposite of wonky, nothing weird happened. Think of the zero before without Vinagar and young, sorry, Vinagar and Pagachar, it was crazy. You know, it's like everything just breaks reality caves in on itself. It was kind of a, as you say, a big break away generally gets note, you see a big break away and you say, this isn't going to work because they're not going to work together. This is like don't don't even worry about it. This is a little different because there was teams like Red Bull and UNOX and FDJ who just seemed their whole purpose was just driving it as hard as they could.

It's not like it's kind of gets you calling your hunts and back in GC he's right now he's sitting 12, 3 and a half minutes back, but it seemed like they really thought he could win the stage. He looked incredibly disappointed not to win the stage.

But think if you're Red Bull, it's worth it. You put four guys up there, they're drilling that they win the stage and now they have the yellow jersey.

But initially they didn't come with one of the big favorites, you know, like the talk world is now in the lead and you know, he's going to stay up from me and I don't know if he's going to win the dolphin or not, but you know, he's going to stay up there. He's a good climber. So he's definitely going to have a good classification, but today they were riding for the stage win initially.

And man, what a nice way to come back for maximum on hills, right? First race back after his dramatic crash in February, I guess it was the what was it called high and high and vocal.

“Yeah, and yeah, gravel, but I showed you that race. Yeah, it was a crash with a young Christian, I think if I remember. Yeah, young Christian, like maybe, yeah, he crashed. Well, he actually got this qualified, I think, for that for that maneuver.”

But you know, Vengil's broke his pelvis there. Don't I've had surgery or not, anyway, breaking your pelvis is a serious serious injury and coming back from this first race back. The dolphin, he said he was 24 days at altitude with the team and with Ramco and that Ramco had made him suffer a lot and that now he is feeling in great shape. The best shape in his career. He says so you know, whoever is injured and several months out, I know, I don't lose your hope because look, here's another example of a guy who was out.

Hasn't race since the beginning of the season and was in the best shape. I mean, that's it. Those are his own words. Jonathan, advice in the zero same thing. Yeah, hadn't racing to down under. You know, I don't think advice has ever been in a better shape than in the zero until he crashed, unfortunately, in the final stages, but nice win from Vengil. So I think, and great day for Red Bull. I mean, they are in the lead.

So you have to be a good climber. I think it's his first year, full year as a pro, I mean, I don't, I'm not really sure, but I do remember that last year he did the zero next gen.

As an undertaker, he's only 21. So I'm assuming he was on the world, he was not on the world tour team yet. And he was leading, he was in the Marlia, Rosa, until the last stage, he lost it on the last stage. So good climber. Now with this jersey on his back, he may be tough client, and he may be very tough client. Although I do think that the two stages that we can have now in the weekend are super hard, really hard climbs, and it's still possible for Tuckwell to lose the jersey and for, I would say, they'll total and say just because I can't see anybody else.

Then those two writers winning the dolphin, if it's not Tuckwell. And it's all gravy for Red Bull, right? It's like it's Luke Tuckwell loses the dolphin. You're not saying, oh my god, how did this happen? Like it's, if he wins, if he doesn't win, that's also fantastic. So that's, I mean, that is a big benefit, especially, as you say that everyone knows everyone, it's not a secret that I love Paul six hours. I get a lot of messages about that I love him too much, that it's inappropriate. But like, it is kind of crazy to me that there's a double Perry niece winner sitting 32 seconds in front of him.

A double Perry niece winner who's in the prime of his career, by the way, who's not washed up, let's say it was Oregonson.

“32 seconds in front of him and he doesn't see in his interviews, he doesn't seem to register this at all. Like, yeah, I think, yeah, we are watching it from a distance, right? I mean, the writers themselves, they know by now,”

what the strength differences are in this race. They know, okay, I'm stronger in this guy, I'm, well, okay, always assuming that you're going to recover properly from the day before.

And then I personally think in, in, in, say, saucehead, he's the favorite, he feels, he feels in great shape and he knows that he's going to take that those 32 seconds back on the day of Jorgensen in his mind without the problem. And I think I think so too, because if, if on today's climb, Matthew Jorgensen was not able to stay with with sexists and the autoro. With what we have tomorrow, when on Sunday, he's going to lose more time. Also having in mind that sexists and that definitely not go full gas. I mean, he was not going full gas because he was wary of the autoro being

there and expecting a counter attack. So there's nobody better than the writers who know where their level is.

“And I think that's why sexists has this confidence.”

I think he needs to be the only guy he needs to be, I mean, two guys needs to be worried about first of all,

and then the autoro looked to me today, like he was really, really in control. I'm not going to say comfortable, but he was never, not even a single moment on the verge of getting dropped from sexists. It looks comfortable. You know, that's also his style of the autoro looks super smooth, but yeah, I think it's going to be between the autoro and sexists. But yeah, I think it's going to be between the autoro and sexists. The autoro is obviously behind sexists and GC because of, I don't know, what happened with their team down trial, but they didn't do a great team down trial UAE.

But still, it's, you know, well, there's a 30 seconds difference between the autoro and sexists. Oh, no, no, it's only, I think it's less than that. Now I've lost my about 30, 25, 30 seconds, I think.

“I think it's 16 seconds because, okay, success is 306, Del Toro's 32.”

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So with success he's you know it's a lead 16 seconds in front of Delta who I agree with you I thought he looked silky smooth today looked incredible.

And it seemed like success was not willing to fully commit because like you say he doesn't want to get attacked without time bonuses this is it starts to get kind of interesting because you can't just. Go to the line with someone and I'll sprint them in immediately get you know a four second or six second or ten second sock of time it's like you got to earn that time on the road. He does not want to expose himself because then I'll tell Toro's going to attack him. If these guys are watching each other and if we assume that roughly the same strength which it kind of looked like today. How do they get looked up well back like they've a lot of time you got on them three or six they have to be agree.

That to be aggressive and okay it's it's too hard stages right. More of three thousand seven hundred meters plus and then on Sunday it's four thousand meters so big mountains stages. A three minutes is three minutes it's it's a lot. I don't know I mean this is the I would say the Toro and especially success they're definitely over higher level right now than young.

“I mean okay success is younger no then he's twenty don't he's twenty or nineteen still.”

Just twenty one. He's the very right six. He's nineteen years old he's two hundred nine we've looked up well we have nineteen. How old is the total twenty one. I was washed up now he's like twenty two or something let me see two is twenty two so the total's old.

My god I'm so proud they renewed them nineteen twenty one and twenty two years old those are the three riders who are going one of them is going to go finish. That's not that's not an operation by the way that tells you where I mean the world cup just kicked off last night. The best player in the world cup is nineteen years old you know and this is not this is like a thing that's happening. Who is it? Who is it? Who is it? You know you're a mall you're a mall.

He's a little unfortunate he's a little hurt but he led basically Spain to a euros title two years ago when he was like 16 or 17 years old.

Yeah yeah we held as you hold to see you have you seen this crazy picture of him where he's a baby he's 18. He's a big 18 now he's 18 right now so while led Spain to a euros title when he was six.

“Yeah yeah so people think Paul success is too young what look at this guy but he's a baby and he's being held by because he's from Barcelona by Messi who is playing for Barcelona at the time.”

Like it's insane picture. A baby pogacha.

In their late 20s in their 30s close to 40.

We're just talking about somebody last episode and I could talk to you in your own and you're just team been all over. Yeah but yeah yeah coming from from a really like a lower level of competition and then you know being in the league now and winning races yeah up for up for debate. So who's your who's your picture when the wind the the highest I was going to say this is a good question because they don't think it gets it gets funky in the last week. Do you remember when Andrew Chelensky beat. Continent or yeah but that team those are different that's different that's different cycling at different cycling like yacca full sign beat richy port.

“I think I think it pains me to say it even then Danny Martinez when.”

Yeah I can say like also the last stage but like a two got real finish 120 was maybe the craziest last stage. I mean we didn't know we were watching them but we were watching cycling change basically where. Yeah it just was an insane it was one of these first races back from covid and it was all like all day. Yeah you know Tom DuMla was fifth it's like a sub four hour day through the mountains Majev to Majev and Tom DuMla was probably thinking I got to get out of here. Just amazing.

Yeah like Pagotcha was third on the stage Danny Martinez finishes right in front of him wins the overall. But actually pretty interesting race to go back and and rewatch if you haven't seen it while but I think I think Paul success wins hit what do you think wins. I think I'm going to pick the total looks looked smooth.

Yeah I would like this killer as this amazing finish also like he's he's quite explosive band.

“What he sees the only thing that's nobody vacation though so there's no bone application that's what and then you get to the high I'm I'm super I am just super I am I'm excited for the course I think the course is going to be amazing.”

The way they've set this up is perfect because we have these two high mountains stages do you think the Toro is as good in the high mountains I guess we'll find out is Paul success I'm not I don't really have a great grasp on this. I haven't really seen success in the high mountains either again. Not really right outside of the big big clients and then on the other hand Spencer. Can we really call this high mountains. He's cool.

Oh I love this take you know it's hard but it's not like the high, high, high, high or apparently climbs you know it's not the same. It's definitely this is pretty hard climbs though. No they're hard I know they're hard but there's it's not the two the Malay or the Galibier or you know that the you know up the west or the move on to you know it's that I love that those are different plans. But just to give so tomorrow's summit finish is an average of 10% for nine kilometers. Yeah that's hard.

That's hard. That's hard. But your high is it though how high but you're right you're right it's only 1500 meters. Okay finish. Yeah. So you're right big difference really. Big climbs or 2000 meters that's that's a big difference. It is a big difference you don't really get those outside the grand tours.

Yeah like if you really pay attention you don't see. Here like right now I can tell us the entire race only has 17 kilometers over 1500 meters. You know like that's that's really different from a grand tour.

“I don't know I think Del Toro winning would be unbelievable.”

I would love to see that I fear that really get that though. Man this is your hard stages. Stage A is really hard. There's multiple HC climbs. Whew. Well before we leave a question for you.

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Two questions for you. First of all RIMCO of an Impulse post a video of a RIMCO has got to be.

He's he's got us wrapped around his finger. He's not racing. He's got this weird schedule where he's just not racing before the tour. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone do that other than Pagachar and Jonas after they won the zero seems like a bit of a dice roll right or maybe he's got this figured out. Yeah. I think RIMCO is special in that way that he's a master in preparing and getting in the best shape he can with training camps. He's shown it already many times. Usually when RIMCO shows up from a training camp and especially from the altitude he's good.

Sometimes he tend to have a bad day then after three or four days or a week.

I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried at all about RIMCO getting ready for the tour of France without racing. It's super light. He's super light. He's 63 kilos now. Which is key.

“Because so I think it's been a while since we've seen RIMCO like super lean.”

He looks always pretty muscular and very explosive. The pictures have seen at least he looks good and he still has a number of weeks before the tour.

If you look at those, obviously Spencer, you also need to know is that if a rider like RIMCO and his team decide that they're going to publish this information, it's because it's good information. It's because it's something to be proud of because otherwise you don't post it. So I don't know what is it. 425 watts is FTP which translates to 6.7 watts per kilo, I guess. Which kind of like FTP kind of doesn't. It's not a great measurement, but it just gives you like a ballpark figure. So 425 that would be what he can hold for an hour.

So maximum effort for an hour at 63 kilos, which is the key number because RIMCO, it sounds funny to say because he always looks fit and skinny right to me, like to an average person.

But when you see guys like Jonas and Teddy, they are always, they just people have different bodies, you know, like some people are always super lean no matter what.

And RIMCO isn't like a very athletic guy who just puts it up and down. Yeah, sure, you can fluctuate his weight more than other other guys that he's competing against.

“So I think it's really close, that's good.”

6.7 to 6.75. The only problem is, Jonas Fennigard Piancoballo. This is the end of the zero, end of a five hour day, 36 minutes, 6.8 watts per kilo. Okay, yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised with that and I'm also not expecting that RIMCO would be at the level of Jonas. And then we still have Teddy Bogacha, who in theory is a bit stronger than Jonas Fennigard.

So I think RIMCO's goal, I mean, he's already finished third in the two of the fronts and that's, I think that's his maximum achievable, you know, under the circumstances that the two big favorites are, you know, without problems, no crashes, no illnesses, no mechanical problems, no unforeseen circumstances. But I think RIMCO would finish third in the two of them and I'm not saying he will. But it would be a huge statement and a huge answer to all the critics because he does have a lot of criticism.

You know, there's a lot of people say, I know RIMCO, he's a great writer, he can win this. But you know, there's always has this bad day, you know, he fades away in grand tours.

“He has won the world, that's what I say about him.”

Even if he has won the world, and he has been third in the two of the fronts, he's not considered as a real ground to a writer by a lot of people. Well, he's a stage racing slump, we should say. Yeah, he's really struggled since he got third at that tour. Yeah, but hey, I think it's what the risk what they're doing, and nowadays, and especially if you have a writer who is hard-headed and motivated and focused as RIMCO, even a pool, I think it's worth.

I mean, I don't think it's a gamble, I don't think it's a gamble. I think they know what they're doing. I think RIMCO knows that he's going to be in his best possible shape at the start of the two of the fronts. Then it depends what happens during those three weeks, of course. That's an unknown, but without RACIS, I have no doubt that RIMCO even a pool and his team know what they're doing, and that he's going to be at the start of the two of the fronts in Barcelona and a 100% shape.

Well, it is a good tour route to plop in as super, you know, because he's flying when he comes off training camps, just plop him in, because they have the time trial, he's going to be great, and they go right in the mountains.

So, I guess it's not really a risk because last year he did the Delfine, he was amazing in the time trial, and he said he was never the same after that, and then he's a terrible tour.

So, what are you really risking? Like anything's better than that, and probably this will set him up better. The last year, I should say, I should finish that sentence that I was saying. So, his Watts per kilo won't be as high as Jonas, but he doesn't have to be because he's heavier than Jonas. So, if you're slightly heavier than someone, you don't have to put out exactly the same Watts per kilo to stay with them, because you're raw, powers higher, and you're not racing up a 90% grade.

That's where he starts to run into trouble. He starts to run into mathematical problems. This is just my gut feeling, is that from the images I've seen, videos I've seen comments from writers that he is once again on a higher level than last year. He's also been in Sierra Nevada. Everybody was in Sierra Nevada in the last month. And we've heard these comments. For example, of Maxim van Hils, the stage winner of today, who was there, and he had this comment about how they forgot Charles passing him.

On Sierra Nevada, at incredible speed, and they were thinking that he was joking, and he was going to be stopped behind the corner waiting for them or something, and then finally,

they went all the way to the top of Sierra Nevada, which is a 30-kilometer climb, by the way, and there was Pugachar, so he went that speed the whole way. I think he looks fit.

“I think that Pugachar is going to be on an incredible level once again in the due to France. What do you think?”

Yeah, I think he's going to, he does this every year, right? He just cranks it up. He cranks it up, because he takes a break for the classics. He's maybe off a little bit of stage racing form, and then he just, he does a training block in between the classics and the tour. And he hits a level that we didn't think was possible. It's funny to me that you know this better than anyone. The stuff gets in people's heads. Like Remco posting this video, I guarantee you, Ted, it was like, "Now what was his FTP?" Now what is his weight like? These guys are so successful.

It's a mental, mental world, so I don't think, I don't think Pugachar is worried about Remco for the tour of France.

“Pugachar is only worried about one guy, and it's Jonas. That's the only guy he's worried about, and that's, I think, you know, history has proven that that's, yeah, he's right, right, to be worried about Jonas if, if Pugachar has a bad day.”

I mean, and then Jonas, we don't know anything, right? We, so he's obviously recovering from the zero. Don't think he needs to recover that much because he didn't go 100%. Is he at altitude already now? They're quite, they're quite discreet and secretive in their vision. But I have no doubts that he's also going to show up in a great form at the start of the tour. Yeah, but see, I mean, once again talking about the tour of France, we still have the tour of Switzerland coming up, which is going to be won by Taday Pugachar. By the way, you heard it here first.

And he's going to win two of Switzerland without even trying to go 100%. So unless there's, like, a circumstance that they don't care about the race, but I, but Pugachar wants to win it to Switzerland. It's missing on his ball Morris. It's one of those races that he hasn't won yet, so he's going to want to win it.

“So yeah, we'll see. And yeah, I think that Jonas is going to be great at the tour. And you kind of, I should have brought this up earlier with Navarra's Max and Van Hills, Rimco.”

They're all not racing and then, or those two guys didn't race in our great form, Rimco's probably going to be on great form. Jonas is probably going to be on great form.

Is there something to just not racing, like clearly people are achieving amazing form by not racing for months and then jumping into a race?

It's got to be something to that. Obviously, first of all, you avoid crashes and lead up to your objective, unless you crash and training, but obviously when you're in a bunch of 200 riders, there are many, many possibilities that you can be involved in a crash. That's the first thing then. Secondly, you don't have to undergo the law of the Peloton. You can train the way you want. You have your intensities planned out structure during the day, day after day, when you're in a race and it's an easier stage.

You don't necessarily do all the work you would have done on an altitude training camp, so I think building towards your best form for a high objective training is always great.

If you have the mental strength to suffer on training days, day after day, there are other riders who just prefer to race and use the races for competition rhythm, but yeah, I think both both work, both work.

Yeah, maybe if you're an ultra talented, that's not a big of a problem. I think condition wise, the condition they need to be competitive in their first race back after training camp is always there.

It's just the rhythm. You may suffer a tiny bit with the speeds, you know, during the whole stage, but you're not necessarily going to get worse. You just need a few days to get back into it, but you're not going to be in trouble. You're not going to lose time because you haven't raced.

“Yeah. Yeah. Well, do you have anything else you want to share before we take off? You want to see these final two stages?”

I think we've covered everything tomorrow. Saturday Sunday is going to be interesting. I'm curious to see if it's going to be success. I don't think it's a stupid, I think it's a rumor out there, but yeah, Felix Gallo, and then his fellow Austrian, what's the called gear? Gallagher, Mule Berger? Who is amazing during this? It was very, very good. Apparently, have not renewed yet with Decathlon and on the move to little track. I think that makes sense for both, you know, both for those two riders for little track and also for Decathlon because it's kind of

a proof of confidence in Paul Sextas, who hasn't renewed yet after 2027. So it's a proof that hey, you know what? We're not going to do any efforts to keep Felix Gallo on the team. You're the only leader of this team for the future. We are building the whole team only around you. I think it's a smart move from Decathlon also to that Felix Gallo. So I assume Felix Gallo doesn't want to stick around for the, to be to support Paul Sextas apparently. Well, I mean, there's plenty of room in the calendar for both, but we also have to ask ourselves the question,

“is the second place of Felix Gallo in the Giro, is best result of his career, or is he able to do more?”

Depending on who is at the start of those grand tours?

Yeah, it's not a possible to imagine impotium at two of her friends, you know? If you got fifth last year, second at the Giro this year,

like he's knocking on the door, also crazy to think a little track. So I'm just looking at stage 19 at the Giro, Derek G, second, Felix Gallo fourth, Gregor Mulberger working, gets 17th. I mean, that's, that's a strong little mountain group right there, you know? Yeah, but still not good enough to beat those superstars. Stack enough, guys, between four to 10th and you know, and somehow that will add up.

They'll get, are you so they'll get Schelmosa, they'll have the top 10 full of their writers? Yeah, that is, it is kind of a problem, but you just have to hope at some point.

It's not all, like it's not always going to be like that.

But they're not going to be on forever either these guys, but at the same time, Felix Gallo, how old is Felix Gallo? He's more or less the same age as Gacharya, I guess, 28. So he's like, 20, 29. Yeah, no, it is, but Gacharya 29? No, he's younger than that.

Oh, Gacharya's 27. 27. Okay, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Okay, yeah, years of this left.

You're not going to beat him though, so you shouldn't try to beat him. I mean, frankly, you should go to races where he's that at the start. I mean, it's perfect. Yeah, it's the best strategy. You know?

Yes, that is the best strategy to beat Ted. I forgot your pink.

“I think if that's what Prima's right, which said, just pick the opposite schedule.”

He's racing and you'll be pretty good. Well, you're on. I'll let you go and we'll be back after the dofenay to talk about how this plays out. Okay, thanks, Spencer. Okay, thank you.