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that says to me that Lenin was pretty confident and quite comfortable and new that he wasn't not going to get dropped. So anyways, you know, Jonas didn't need to drop him. That's let's start with that, right? But if he would have been able to drop him, he would have done it. Everybody, welcome back to the move. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernille. We are breaking out in the final two stages. The final weekend of Paranese and Tereno Adriatico

are two twin stages as week-long stages happening before the classics get serious with Melon San Ramo coming up this Saturday. Johan, I'll just quickly run through what happened.

The lot on the final weekend, who won and then I'll let you pick which race you want to talk about first.

But at Paranese, the the race from Paras Denise and France, Jonas Findigarde won the overall no surprise wins by four minutes, 23 seconds over to any Martinez who impressively salvage that second place. We'll talk about that after crashing.

“And New York at Steinhouser from EF, the young German. I believe young Orics and nephew.”

Six minutes back. And the final stage was won by Lenin Martinez, the young French writer impressively followed Vindigarde on the tough final stage in Denise and out sprinted out sprinted him for the win after following the attack. Stage seven was shortened. It was supposed to be a mountain stage. I believe it ended up being a 47 kilometer sprint stage up the valley from niece to the town of EZELA, which is not the ski resort of EZELA 2000 one by Dorian. Go down from

any of us. Kind of a weird stage. The writers weren't happy about it. Nobody seemed happy. But I would say kind of picturesque because they finished in a snowy alpine looking town. It actually played pretty well on camera. It looked cold. Looked miserable for the writers. At Toreno, though it was one by EZELA. Del Toro from UAE. His second world tour stage win of stage race of the year so far. Mateo Jorgensen moved into second place on the final stage after stealing a three second time

bonus at an intermediate sprint. Julo Juleo Pelazari, the young Italian on Red Bull gets third at 42 seconds back. Tobias Jalen Holland, Johansson, probably the most impressive non podium finish of the year so far. One minute, 14 seconds back and then pre-primus roguelich in fifth. Probably not what he hoped for, but pre-most still out there keeping us entertained, keeping us laughing. We can't criticize him too much. And the final stage, Del Toro one stage six, tough, tough, some at finish.

Stage seven was won by Jonathan Milan, a sprint stage. I'm not quite sure why Toreno does a professional sprint stage on a seven day race at the end. But Matthew Vanderbilt kept it interesting by doing what was almost a 30 kilometer pole up the it was the one tough climb of the day. He kind of ripped the group up and then he just kept going and kept pulling and dropped his own teammate. Yes, for Phillips and a kid back together, though. Look like he was just getting a workout in

“for Milan San Rambo. But Johan, which race do you want to talk about first?”

Let's talk about the most interesting one. Spencer Tireno. Although, you know, we knew that the Toro was the big favorite before the stage race, but you know, there was a few times change of leadership. The leader's jersey and I think we, it was also a very strong field. I think, you know, if you take away Pulachar and Jonas and Ramco, I think everybody else was more or less there in Tireno. And so I liked what I saw, the course was good. There was not a real mountain stage,

but there was a lot of stages, which had the elevation of a mountain stage. I think there were two stages of more than 4,000 meters. But not a real mountain top finish, like a long climb,

which always makes it interesting because it's, it's become tactical. The strongest riders still

wins, but it's much more entertaining. So I liked the fact that Palizari was in a really good shape,

“local rider. I think the second last stage was in his hometown, actually, where he's born. And,”

you know, he went for it full gas. He took the leader's jersey off the Toro all the day before, right, with that we commented on that already in our former podcast. So, you know, we didn't really know until their Toro on stage 7, I mean, stage 6 already, but it was, what was it? I don't remember how much I mean, the second was, but anyways, the last, the second last stage, the Toro was quite dominant, one stage. You know, I think the detractiveness of Tireno compared to Palizari

is that the gaps were so small, and that you actually never knew who was going to win. We already

leader's jersey with two plus minutes, and then, you know, basically extended that limb. So,

I liked Tireno, and yeah, we saw some interesting, interesting racing for the GC, for stage wins. You know, we saw sprints, we didn't comment the other day on the victory of Anders, was it Lund? Lund? Yeah, Tobias Lund? Yeah, that was formerly in, if I'm not mistaken, was he not in DSM? He was in DSM? He was in DSM, and there's a call at our technique posted out, I was sorry.

“Yes. I think that's a reflection of how much winning,”

and Fikling folks and L's been doing that we can't remember the name. It's also the second world tour win of the year, right? After he won a stage in Down Under. Third world tour win. Could L11's greater ocean road race as well. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So, so that was interesting, and then Yamilon winning the last stage, as usual, third year in a row, to win that stage. You said a procession, it was not a procession this year, Spencer. Mati of other pool made sure

that it wasn't a walk in the park. He had other ideas, wanted to really do a last super intense workout, put the herd on the Peloton. Yeah, I have, I have information from within the Peloton

that his condition is scary, really scary. I've never seen before. I'm not sure I've ever seen

a poll quite like that. He didn't attack. He just got to the front and he said, I got to work out. Hey, guys, I know you're racing. I've got to get to work out in here, and he just shredded the field. It was pretty impressive. Yeah. And we're just going to need it, though, to stay with Pagotcha. You know, this isn't like he's not being flamboyant or showing off. He's going to need every bit of that speed to stay with Pagotcha next weekend. We will talk about it in a couple of days, Spencer,

but I will predict already now that the other Peloton will stay with Pagotcha. He won't be able to drop in. I almost don't want to say too much, but I don't totally disagree with you. We will talk about that, that though, in our preview to launch the rainbow. And we're, were you surprised that I, I loved it, but Matt Morganson kind of stealing not stealing. He earned it, but I thought that Sprint, it wasn't even really close with Wavinart leading them out. And then I don't quite know what

Primo's was doing, but he was sprinting for it. They kind of, he lost Peloton and those guys didn't

really stand a chance in that intermediate sprint for second place. Yeah, I mean, it was to be expected.

“You know, I mean, second is better than third. They're both on the podium, but I think it was”

fair and square. Well, Van Art leading out, Jorgensen, you know, Van Art also, I've seen him coming to, I mean, he's improved his condition. You know, he hasn't raised that much. You know, started in Grand Prix Samal and then we had the puncture. He was sick before. He came and really good shape. I think, you know, didn't get the results, but from what I saw, his condition is incletendo. It's growing. And I expect him to be ready for the classics. But yeah, to come back on that sprint,

Spencer, I think, you know, Peloton, he expected that it is only normal that Jorgensen would sprint for it. I'm surprised that Jorgensen took those bonus seconds, by the way, because Peloton is not slow. I know, he's probably punctured than Jorgensen. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. So I don't, I don't know if he was, you know, surprised or caught out, but it was a really good lead out from all of an art. And we saw that Matteo Jorgensen is in really, really good condition.

He was the only one who could stay with Peloton, when it really mattered several times. You know, we can only ask ourselves the question, you know, what would have happened if he didn't

“have that crash on that gravel stage. I think the result was still have been the same. The gap”

would have been smaller. And it would have been more suspense, because, you know, he was able to follow the autoro and then on top of the clamps two times, he was able to pass and take a really nice pull, putting the autoro on the limit. But the autoro's just puncture in those final 200 meters of an uphill finish. So, yeah, I mean, what a rider, right? I mean, he delivers. He gets his chance, he gets the responsibility of the team. It's, it's a big responsibility to be, you know,

to have to deliver in two of UAE and in Tireno. And two times he does it, I think it says a lot about the qualities of the autoro as a rider. And we should say, in UAE, they had some misfortune,

both of the stages uphill finishes, Del Toro was isolated. And had no teammates did not panic

handled it well. I saw some criticism from other podcasts that shall go remain nameless like, why weren't these guys attacking them? But you saw on stage five, whenever Del Toro put his foot on the gas, they were, they were done, right? So they, they couldn't. It was too hard. Like, they were just hanging off for your life. Those questions of why aren't another attacking, you know, I don't know which podcasts you referred to, but I can tell you, you know,

if they're not attacking, it's because they're on the limit. It's very simple, you know, tactics are not that complicated, guys. People tend to overcomplicate, you know, like, isolate him and

“attack him. Well, first of all, if you want to isolate the second or third best rider in the world,”

it's going to mean that you're isolating yourself, isolating yourself, you know? And so

then what you're going to do, attack, if the matter way, if you attack with your second rider,

that rider's already back in GC anyway. So it doesn't really matter. And now Toro played this perfectly. You know, he even went, even went by Lidzari attack on, on second last stage. He gave him some room, you know, knew exactly until where he couldn't let him go. Something tells me that, I mean, you know, going off his reaction in his post-array's interview, like he, it kind of felt like he wanted to give the stage to Lidzari and,

I thought for sure he was trying to give the, you could tell he was doing everything he could to not catch him. He can sat back and, you know, ex came to the front to pull. He's not going to see him after the stage. He was like, call me, he gave him a good friend's, Benizari, that's his home

“town. You know, I think he would have wanted Benizari to win the stage, but you know, then when”

you're going to send a new harness in or there, then, you know, of course he's going to try to win himself. But but I had that impression and, you know, the interview after was said, you know, I have mixed feelings, you know, hinting that, you know, he, he, he kind of felt bad to beat his friend in his home town, but it's sport, you know, it's, and I think, yeah, I mean, I really like the Toro man. He's very likable, you know, has, you know, is, is an attractive rider. You know, he, yeah, his way, his style is,

is super nice, his way of racing. He looks good, you know, he has a strong face head, you know, like, looks like a champion, you know, has, has that aura around him that I think cycling needs more of certain riders. Yeah, it kind of sounds funny or sitting around talking about how a young man, like, looks on a bike, but he also, he's like, looks like an athlete, moves like an athletic person.

Yes, to me, I know I couldn't tell you why always helps my enjoyment of a rider. There's been

riders who've won a lot in the fast that have not looked athletic on the bike, and I probably

“don't enjoy them as much as I should because of that. You should, like, yeah, on stage five,”

I don't even notice. He was back, like, this, the race was kind of on and he's back going to the bathroom at the back of the peloton, you know, someone's like, oh, a refroglic attacks, he's in trouble. It's like, Del Toro's not worried about premus raglic attacking. He can pull that back, no problem. We saw a man completely in control of this race, even though the gaps were numerically small. I don't think he was ever really concerned. We also saw just something I

want to point out on stage six that that was really weird and really interesting. You a did not really have to hit the front until, like, the last 40k because two-door pro cycling was at the front doing the hard yards early in the race of the pay setting. They had Michael store in 15th place. They, I guess, had to protect that. What was going on there, Yohan? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't understand that, Deeter.

Maybe they thought that stir could win the stage, because it was all a flip, right? Who was doing all the hard work? Yeah. I don't know. It shows my career. My career is a strong rider, but for him to win the stage, a lot of a lot with a hat to happen. I mean, I keep saying Spencer, and I know you think the same thing, man. Michael's to do something about your position, you know. He's like, at least I already knew him. It's probably the way, I mean, it's easy to say.

That's probably the way he feels best on the bike, but man, he needs to look into that, man. It's like, it looks like he has this really white handlebars, which, what do you want me to pull? As white handlebars, as I told you the other day, 42 centimeters centered in the center, which is very, you know, unlike today's Peloton, but yeah, Michael Stirr is like the

the stage with Stirr, because other than that, I can't really see what the thinking was behind

“that strategy. Because it was in UAE's benefit to let the break win, because the time bonuses”

don't help them. They're nothing but trouble. So I guess it does show you though, it modern cycling, no matter how hurt your team is, how bad your team is, if you're leading

the race, there's often, if not always a team willing to come forward and help you. We've seen it

time and time again, and you almost don't have to worry about it anymore, because someone will come forward to defend their 15th place at Trino. Yeah. Listen, I mean, in the case of you just, you just mentioned, you know, if Primo's Robert Chatex, and then the Toro's isolated. Guess who's going to pull? Do you know what? That's going to pull, right? Yeah, for the fact that you're going to come back then, third place, you know, podium. It's, it's very simple. So it's true,

he was sometimes isolated, but never, never really felt like he was in trouble, in my opinion. And whatever happens, Spencer, you know, like most of the guys, like if there's, if, when the

“Toro gets isolated, there's normally going to be what, 10, 15 riders, maybe at the maximum, right?”

Then he only needs to look at two or three riders. Everybody else, they may attack, but they can only attack on the flats, and they're going to get real in on the climbs, anyways, because the reason why they're in 15th position, you know, because they were not able to follow on the other on the other climbs. So, yeah, don't over complicate it, guys. It's, it's quite simple. Well, what's his name? Richard Carapass. He was, I don't know if he was trying. He should get there.

Yeah, well, I want to talk about that. What was that when Vogueren, like, I mean, amazing victory,

right? Amazing, amazing stage, stage when we already talked about, this is about 155. He comes back from very far, but what was Carapass doing? He was, he, so he attacked when his teammate was in front, and, you know, the gap was not that big, no, then need launches. That was Toro. Well, I mean, did you see how the Toro passed him? I mean, like, I got like flashbacks from, you know, the certain memes on the social media, like, you know, in Spanish. So, you know, it was funny,

like the Toro just flies by him and, you know, there was, you know, in Spanish, like a reference to the Giro of last year. I don't know, man. I saw, I saw a comment of Mati Brashle, who's the DS

of, of EF at that race, and he was extremely unhappy with that maneuver. You know, it's not like

that attack was, the purpose was not to destabilize the organization behind Volgrin. And they came really close at the end. Yeah. I have to say Spencer, you know, and as you know, I, I don't really care too much. I can sometimes I say what I want. And this is going to make me unpopular in Latin America, certainly in Ecuador. But man, Carapass, I don't know, man. I saw an interview of him. You know, they do these interviews where they ask, you know,

who's the best classic rider? Who's the best GC rider? You know, who's your favorite domestic blah blah blah, you know? And then they say, who's the best climber? And he said, Richard Carapass, I said, come on, man. Dude, that's like, okay, no, you know, like, no, you're not the best climber. You know, he's a great rider, but he's not the best climber. So that was kind of, I don't know. I didn't really, I didn't really like that too much. So I've, I'm not a fan,

man. I'm not a fan of kind of bus. I thought it was a really strange move because he, yeah, he almost cost Valgrin that stage when I didn't see it discussed that much. He's trying again on stage six. I mean, in Carapass's defense, because we have to defend him because there's no, there's no group more vicious than Carapass fans. But he will, he will look so helplessly out of shape. You're like, what are you doing, man? What are you doing? And then he comes around. Like,

sometimes this works out in his favor and he kind of has this process. He's not in that shape Spencer. He's just not in great shape right now, which is totally understandable. So, you know,

“he's, and I think it's just in his DNA to attack attack attack. He's just, he's a fighter, right?”

So he constantly keeps attacking. That's what he did on that stage. But, you know, almost at expense of the stage when of his teammate. And then also, you know, I saw after the stage, you know, was the Valgrin was there. And then Ben Hilly went straight away to congratulate him and Carapass,

You know, like, towel, drinks, whatever, ketones, whatever he took. And it took, I mean, there was already

other teammates that came in who were behind the him who were all over Valgrin. And then finally,

Carapass went to congratulate him. So, anyway, Mati Brashill was not happy. So, that's for me to take away. That was not the right move from Carapass on that stage. It was crazy watching. And they'll tell our go past him and think that they were equals at the Jiro last year. That these were the guys that were locked on an hour long climb. The thing is, Spencer, you know, we know that Carapass takes a little longer to get into shape.

Whenever he goes for an objective, he's ready. Yeah. I don't know what his program is. If he's going to do the Jiro again, if I would be him, I mean, I mean, Vanguard is racing now.

“So, I don't know. Maybe he has to focus on the welta. I don't know. Is that Jiro's on his schedule?”

And he's going to be ready for the Jiro. Yeah. He's going to be ready. He's not like you're saying with Vanderpool. He just shows up to win. That's kind of the trend now. Carapass isn't. He's a little more of an old school guy. I did see it. Some criticism of not criticism of Del Toro. But like, what do we take out of this win? Will he podium at the Tour de France? What's the question posed to somebody? And the person was like, well, there was no big

Alpine climbs at Trino, so we don't know. Like, whoa, whoa, we just saw him win UAE Tour, which is

nothing but big climbs. And he just got second at the Jiro last year. I'm feeling pretty good about

Del Toro as a GC writer coming out of this. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's one of the next the next guys to take a big tour in the Tour de France. As I said, you know, I think it's going to be difficult for him to podium because he's going to be the last guy with, I mean, normally, without any, you know, unforeseen situations and problems, he should be the last guy with with Pogaccia. So, you know, it depends, but yeah, I don't think I don't think Del Toro should focus

on the podium. He should focus on, you know, being his best possible in the tour and use that as a learning step to develop as a cyclist. But yeah, this guy will definitely win a ground tour in the future. Yeah, could be, I guess it won't be this year, maybe. I guess the year, but I still can't believe he lost that Jiro. I've got to get over it, but I still cannot believe that, you know, you don't want to throw those away, but he would either he will win a grand tour at some point.

I think that's a safe. Well, I mean, we say that, we say that, right? I mean, he hasn't in it in him, because how many times have we seen a rider, you know, coming to the forefront, especially like in the Tour de France and the past, right? You know, okay, shows up, you know,

wins the tour at the young age. All, you know, he's gone for five or six in a row, never wins it again.

It has happened. I know. Yeah, it does happen. More than you think, actually,

“he's good though. That's what was good. That's my takeaway from here. I wouldn't be shocked if he”

podiums the tour. I wouldn't be shocked if he has the room to focus on that, because Pogatra is so far ahead. We'll talk about Pyrenees in the back half of the show, but I think Pogatra is probably going to cruise to the tour when the tour will probably will have the room to chase the podium. I'm curious to see if you can do it. What did you think of, so Mateo Jorgensen does not win Pyrenees for a third time? He's one of the last two times. He's at the wrong way. He's at the tournament. He has slight issue,

not at the start. He gets second at Torrano. I'm going to come out really hot take. I actually thought this was his best race of those three. I was super impressed with Mateo Jorgensen at this race. Yeah, I think, yeah, for sure. I think my last year he won Jonas crashed out. He was strong. And then the year before did he win against Rempo the year before? He did. I think so. He did. Yeah,

“worked him over. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I think Jorgensen right now. I mean, I don't know if”

he would ask him. He would probably confirm that I think right now he is on a higher level. Now, then when he won but he needs last year and the year before. I think it's safe to say. He was he was really, really good and did it. Really good. And he really just has that probably is going to lose to the little Torrano, no matter what happens. But if he doesn't fall, it's closer on stage two on the slippery gravel corner and then to recover and get second.

After that, he was there really doing teamwork. He did a big load of teamwork for Van Art, too. So, it wasn't just chasing G.C. Yeah, I agree that it's maybe the strongest I've ever seen him. I also, we shouldn't mention you remind me with the Rempo mentioned. Del Torrano is now one

them than Evan Appult does in his career. So, that's what he, how many did he win one?

“Just one. Yeah, really good. When a single one, that's what I keep saying. I mean,”

we'll see now in Catalonia, right? I mean, he's going to show up in Catalonia after a month altitude training camp. I expect Rempo to be really, really good. Del Torrano is not going to be there. If I'm not mistaken, Jonas will be there. We'll see if I use those there. Probably was not a little sketchal, but maybe he changed. I don't know. But we'll see. Yeah, it's time for Rempo to win one of those. And several, he should win

several of those races. He hasn't did him. So, now is maybe the time. He's usually very, very good when he comes to race of three weeks or a month, altitude training camp. That's usually when he's at his best. I mean, it's an uneniable trend that when the top grand tour winners show up to these races, they normally win them at will, like youngs, just did it, apparently. So, slightly, it's a slight concern if you are not winning them. Del Torrano passed a test by winning this,

like I now feel better about him as a GC container. Even if you, you might not think that they're one versus one comparisons, these one week, these major, one-week races really are predictive of success in grand tours. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think? So, Matthew Vanderbilt took a real long

“poll yesterday, dropped everybody, including his teammate, Jasper Phillips. And I think we both”

agree, he's just training for San Ramot. This was a race pace effort he was getting on a climb. That's like the Chopessa. Chris Homer was not too happy about it on his, on this pot, is like post race, debrief, what do you have a defense of Vanderbilt for this? I personally do, I just want to hear

your take on it. I mean, the defense is very simple, Spencer. Vanderbilt is first of all,

he's the leader of the team, the undisputed leader of the team. They are there to, I mean, they want two stages already with Vanderbilt. Jasper didn't have his best sprint on sprint one, when Lunt one. And he's, I mean, this is definitely something that Vanderbilt has said in the briefing. You know, like, okay, guys, listen, I need to do like a really intense workout today. This is what I'm going to do. All you guys okay with it, everybody will have approved it. The director, the trainer,

even Phillips. And it's up to Phillips and to stay in the bunch. And when it comes, and it was very likely to get back together to sprint for it. And fortunately, he couldn't prove it because he crashed. You know, like, with Chris Horner's criticism, we have been the same if Phillips doesn't crash and wins the stage. Yeah, exactly. You know, so let's, I mean, my take on it is that the winning the last stage was not the main objective for Alps in Premier Tech and not for Vanderbilt.

And also not for Phillips in because let's not forget Phillips in one Milan San Rambo two years ago,

and he was here to prepare for it, just in case it comes back together, which it's always possible.

“So I think Phillips in is in good shape. Hopefully he didn't hurt himself too much in that crash,”

but he looked in certain stages. He looked really strong. Phillips in is one of those sprinters who can can get over those climbs. And maybe it was also part of Phillips in Splendid to really hurt himself in the last stage to do a last general repetition for Milan San Rambo. I mean, I can find out, but that's probably, that's probably my take away from it. So, whatever other pool did, it was agreed upon by everybody. This is not just something that comes up

during the stage and say, oh, by the way, you know, I just, I just feel like I need to do a little effort. I'm not going to say anything to anybody. I'm just going to go ape shit in front of the peloton to drop everybody. That's not the way it works. You know, everybody was aware of what Father Pool, his plan was. Yeah, and you know, the, you know, the guys that run that team, like you're not, there's no freelancing, like it's, it's been discussed in the Premier A sprief.

They, uh, I mean, I was just going to say the same thing. You know, who needs to practice really fast climbing and then chasing on in a group is yes for Phillips and because he's going to have to

do it at San Rambo. Also, when Vanderpool's doing that, it's hurting Phillips and an amazing

climber for Sprinter. It's hurting every other Sprinter more than more than Phillips. And so then it's benefiting him for the final sprint. We don't know if he would have won or not, maybe he wins and it looks like a genius plan. But I, I didn't hate it. I kind of liked it, actually. I think more sprint team should think about that. Like, if sure our Sprinter is getting dropped,

you. Yeah, Spencer, the main goal of Alps in Premier Tech was not to win the last stage.

It was to get that work out in and to make sure that, you know, both Father Pool and Phillips and

“knew that they went away with the assurance that they're ready for Milan San Rambo. And I think”

they both are. They both look pretty good. I mean, I know Phillips got dropped, but he looked good for a long time in that climb. Anything else on Toronto before we go to Paranese? I think we covered everything, basically. All right. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll be back for Paranese. Everybody this episode is brought to by Holla Sox as I get ready for my next trip to Europe to cover some bike races. One thing I'm going to be wearing, I'm going to be making

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“What is the surprises? I think Lenny Martinez winning that final stage. I don't know how much”

a stage seven years you saw the Saturday stage. I kind of liked it. It was like a mini one that would don't want that go down one. Yeah, I just saw the last 10k. I saw that there was an happiness from the riders, even from Jonas Lingergart, who said that they should have started on a different place because apparently there were a lot of crashes. Not just in the final, but before also. I think there was three main crashes. Yeah. And what is having kilometer

rude. So it's not fun to race like this. They were all wrapped up. Lots of clothing. If you look good on what's printing in his range, he's the French champion. I don't know if it's seriously. If you know that you're going to have a chance, you want to go for it in your French championship. He didn't even bother to take it off. It was that called that wet. But anyways,

“that nice victory. I mean, great. Listen, I think Enel's did a great race. You know, they”

won. One of the two stages. No, the team time trial and good old stage seven. Yeah. Yeah, two stage men's appearance, fourth place overall. I believe. Nothing to sneeze. Yeah. Yeah. And they're in Oscar. I'm like crashed out. Like one of their best place riders. So still salvage a lot. Is that one of their best I was thinking about this? Is this one of their best transfers in recent years? At least from a production standpoint point. Oh, go on.

Right on. I mean, I kind of forgot that he changed teams. The guy has strong guy strong and it looks like, you know, he was already strong on deck alone. You know, he won a lot of those cup of the France races. I mean, I saw him win the French championships. It was not even mean, nobody had the chance. He's strong on on these uphill finishes. You know, like I think was it last year? In the in the gero that there was an uphill finish and he was and he had won it already

in the past and he was up there again. Yeah. And it was hard, it was hard finish. Yeah. So he's strong on those kind of and this was not this was not really uphill. But yeah, I mean, listen, it's been it's been a few years since they had riders who could win races at Enails. And who's by the way, if I'm not mistaken, before the two of the France is going to be called differently, right? Net company total energies. I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's going to take a while to get used to that.

I mean, you'll see what happened with the colors. It's going to be completely different. So so that's, that's going to be a big change. But yeah, I think it's a great transfer. So it's vocal iron. By the way, you know, vocal iron is a strong rider, a very all-round rider. I mean, finished fourth was called out in that stage where the crashes and the crosswind

rebuilding. And now with new money and the existing money of Enails and total energies,

“their plan is to get back up there. I think what first, what they need to accomplish, and I think”

they're in the process of getting there, is that Enails needs to become a team again where riders want to go. You know, like because it's very trendy, right? Like a few years ago, everybody wanted to go to Visma. Yeah. Everybody wanted to go to Enails. That was like the team. Okay. If I go to Enails, I'm going to make a big step. Then it was Visma. Now it's UAE. Visma, all of a sudden, I mean, they're still riders who want to go to Visma. But it's not,

you know, the hot, sexy team anymore where the youngsters want to go, you know, like the big talents, right? I mean, with all the respect for Visma, we're one of the top teams, you know, but so I think Enails or net company in the future, they need to work on that. I'm getting that attraction factor back. And I think they're doing a good job.

“It is interesting how that wax isn't wanes because UAE is the, everyone wants to go to UAE now,”

but if you think back a few years ago, that a hard time getting people to go, it was not a sought after place, but that's where everybody wants to go now. Like I was thinking even though like barrient victorious, is that a sleeping giant? You know, they win that final stage

at Perry Knees. I'm thinking, I never, I never really think about that team, but pretty, pretty good

roster. It's something like Lenny Martinez is a very good rider. Yeah. I mean, Martinez look I mean, he wins the last stage. One stage, but in his last year, one stage, in Dolfini last year, one stage, in Romandi, you know, he's always up there now, and the race is also, we see those one day races. He was always top 3 top 5. Super talented rider. But to me, it seems like he is that specialist to select those specific stages and then go for the stage. As a GC rider, in a one-week race,

“yes, in a ground tour, I don't see it. I don't see it. It's a great climber, and he can time travel”

so if he's in good shape, but something seems to happen always. So he's like this pure lightweight climber who gets caught out in crosswinds, or got sick. For example, in the two or last year, was dropped on stage one all the time. So it looks like it looks like he made a step forward this year, and he's on a great level, but for ground tours, I'm still, I'm still cautious. Let's,

let we're going backwards. So we'll end it. Jonas, in a good second place, Danny Martinez.

If you just looked at this result, you would not understand how impressive this is. He's second four minutes, 23 seconds back. He crashed with, what do you think? 50, 60 K to go yesterday, hard. Yeah. Yeah. flew off the road. Really bad luck. He was moving up. His teammate was looking for him and was looking left, drifting right. Pushes him off the road into like a ditch, a concrete ditch. Looks like he has broken ribs. Perhaps gets back on his bike. Super impressive from

Red Bull. They do not panic. They do not even try to catch the group. They just ride at a pace that they know they can salvage that. I can place because they have multiple minutes buffer because on stage four, they race them away where they maximize their gap to third place. Did not worry about trying to overtake Jonas. Been a guard for first place. That proved to be the, the winning decision. The second place decision saved them a podium finish apparently,

which is a big result for the team and for Danny Martinez. Do you think this is a trend where like we will now see teams just trying to act like a riding in a way that maximizes their chances of results versus instead of like all or nothing for the win? I mean, you know that we, we were

some people were critical of there. They're way of riding. It wasn't stage four. Stage four. Yeah,

the ring you called day. You know, they pulled all day and you know, they basically rode with Jonas on the wheel until one kid to go. But you know, as we said, you know, it's, it's a way of, of assuring a podium first of all, which is not easy, especially with with these guys who are dominant like Jonas like Pogacchar and it turned out to be the right call. You know, you can look at the two ways, you know, you, you, you assure a podium, which is already not easy. And then

you're in a position, you never know what's going to happen to that leader, especially in these races here. You know, lots of riders crash in the beginning of the season because of the bad conditions, but in East particularly is not, I mean, I've I've raised both of those races as a pro.

let me tell you to get to the sun. It's sometimes a nightmare often. And yeah, I've never enjoyed

Parinys and there's always things happening in Parinys. I mean, Trenos, there's crashes, but usually the weather's a bit better. Not saying it was a great weather in Trenos, but still it was better. And, you know, less crosswinds than you went. Trenos was also different in the way that, you know, the, the roads are lot worse. You know, you get into those villages where it's, it's,

“it's very tricky navigating the narrow roads and, you know, the the arch is where you have to get”

true, but it's different. It's different. So, yeah, I mean, I think that that way of racing is not, it's not stupid, you know? It's, it's the way of, okay, they got into a position where they had majority. They had, they have four guys initially with the Van Big Brothers and Martinez and there was another guy or I thought it was four, um, it's kind of hard to tell because everyone was bundled up,

but yeah, I believe anyway. Hold on a second. Yeah, they were, they had the last majority. I mean,

there was no other team that was represented. Nico Dens was the other guy. Nico Dens exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a big engine also to make tempo, you know, on the flats, yeah, and of the little rollers. So, um, I think it was, I think it was the right way to do it. And, you know, the end result shows that Danny Martinez and Red Bull Bora, Hans-Gro, got second place, thanks to that maneuver. So, nobody can say that that was not a smart tactic. And it's another nail in the

coffin of, like, raid style racing because Jonas Vanguard, he's isolated, doesn't have to work, because none of the team works for him. I think we're just going to see more of it. I don't know if

“that's what people want to hear, but Red Bull gets a big second place. Danny Martinez gets a big”

second place. They're rewarded for their conservative racing. And I think it's just going to be a trend that, um, we get more and more common. So, let's get the Jonas Vanguard, the winner, um, move, move, move's not going to be happy with me. I'm saying all the things about this win, but he potentially was vindicated because I'm talking up Jonas, um, I think he's doing great. You're saying, oh, we're, we're both saying that we feel good about him at this year to tell you,

based on his double-stage wins. Attacks yesterday on the final stage, which was different than in years past, I believe, because local elections, they couldn't finish, um, on the promenade, they finished in like an industrial park by the soccer stadium. Not as good. Hopefully they go back to the, the normal finish in years following this. But Lenny Martinez, it kind of was an awkward attack if you go back and watch it. Victor Campanar, it's pulls off. It's almost like Jonas was

caught off guard by that. He doesn't attack right away. He waits. Then goes, it lets Martinez get in the

wheel. He doesn't, he never stands up. It's a seeded attack. Martinez is easy following them.

Does not look under pressure at all. And then he's pushing it on the descent. And then he, Jonas lets him bleed into the final corner. Lenny Martinez is a quick rider though. Then he opens up that sprint. Maybe he's, uh, like, a tribute to Julian Affleeps, sets up way too early to celebrate almost loses it. But he holds off the regard who's proud to be behind. Look, it looked different from the front, right? I mean, if you, if you see the helicopter shock, I'm going to, you know,

dare to say Spencer that there was an agreement between Jonas and Lenny for the stage when they, they spoke, uh, you know, they, they collaborated both of them. At some point, I thought, you know, what, they're, they're, the two of them are together. They're going to, you know, look at each other and they're going to come back in the back. I was thinking about that when they had 15, 20 seconds. But as soon as they got after the downhill and they spoke to each other, they rolled both full

“gas. I think Jonas didn't, uh, didn't try 100% to win the stage. What I saw on the last climb”

Spencer, uh, to, to, to, to say by that, that move, uh, our friend. Who's, you know, who has inside information about, uh, about today and, and UAE a lot of times, uh, I think he has a point by saying that Jonas is not, uh, I mean, this and he's, he went, he went, he's been more than four minutes, so he's in good shape. Uh, I think that's good enough to win most of the races where that I is not, uh, but it's not, I'm not impressed, especially because, uh, Lenny Martinez looked

a little glimpse of, uh, there was a strange, you know, like, Jonas was pulling, he didn't attack,

but, you know, he, he usually, you know, he, he should drop Lenny Martinez. It was not a long

“climb, like there was one of us at six, seven minutes max. Uh, I think it was basically a nine”

minute effort, eight minutes, five minutes. Okay, but, but I saw Lenny Martinez high-fiving a fan, that's crazy. You see the guy without the shirt? Yeah. Do you get new him or what was going on? I, I don't know, I mean, I saw a video of the guy actually, like the guy with filming afterwards. He, it's on the, on social media, I saw it, so the guy filmed it. And you see, Lenny Martinez high-fiving this guy, while Jonas is trying to drop him. So, that says to me that Lenny

was pretty confident and, and quite comfortable and new that he was not going to get, gonna get dropped. So, um, anyways, you know, Jonas didn't need to drop him. That's, let's start with that, right? But, uh, if he would have been able to drop him, he would have done it. Uh, then, at the, uh, also, if you look afterwards, if, if, if Jonas would have dropped Lenny Martinez, Lenny would probably have caught him in the down and anyway. Uh, I, you know, Lenny is a good downhiller. Normally,

Jonas is also, is he scared now after his crash? Uh, I'm training. Uh, it was sometimes dry, sometimes wet in the corners, you know, he was very, very careful. Um, but, you know, he put, he put Jonas under pressure in that downhill. And so, uh, so yeah, I mean, listen, Jonas, are really good, but, but, but, not impressive. Uh, this, let me tell you, this Jonas Vingigart is not going to beat this to the Blanchard. I agree. I, I don't know if I, maybe I was joking,

and I said that, and somebody believed me. I just wanted on the record. I did not think Jonas

“Vingigard is going to beat that I forgot char in the future at a, a three-week race. I think he's”

looking fantastic for a second place at the tutor friends. I think that's, we're seeing him round

in a form to be second again at the tour if nothing happens to be gotcha. Let's not, let's not diminish, you know, the level of, of Jonas as a cyclist, as a champion, you know, like, if everything goes to plan normally, he should win the hero, right? Uh, you know, that's, that's two, two wins in the, in the, in the tour, one win in the Volta and one in the hero. He still has to win it, but the chances are high that he becomes one of the guys who wins all three grand tours,

which is unique. You know, there's not many riders who are able, I have been able to do that. So if you're in that list, that brings you to one of the top riders in the world, and I think we have to, they tribute and respect to Jonas Vingigard for, you know, he's still need to win the hero as we said, but, you know, if he does, he gets into a select club of riders who won all three grand tours, and that's not nothing. I need to use a freakishly, the, the most impressive

of them out, Jonas, to me, is freakishly consistent. So what we were talking about Remco struggles to win these longer races, Jonas shows up to these grand tours. It's, it's second or first, basically. I guess it rarely finishes blows second. That's not many riders in history have ever done that for people that want numbers to know how hard these efforts were, and I usually don't like

to do sub-timinate climbs. You just like, you'll see big numbers. It's not always like that

instructive, but the final climb, eight minutes, 55 seconds for Jonas, estimated Watts, 440 at 60 kilos, so 7.3 watts per kilo sounds like a lot right. But if you go back to phone our dash, Paul Seychast did that for 16 minutes, right? So almost double the amount of time. It's a good effort. It's probably, it's not, it's not going to drop, taday at the tour. We should also say though, he already had the race wrapped up when he, like, who knows what was going on? Like, he might have just

been managing his effort. We don't really know, like, what's going on? I also sponsor you with the, let's take it to account, you know, the last day of racing, you know, the cold, yes, the cold. It's not easy to produce these numbers. You know, there's factors to be taken into account to look at these numbers, you know, in their, in their right context. So it's still, it's still

“a really, really good performance. I think the impressive performance was Lenny Martinez to be able”

to follow Jonas so comfortably. That, that was, for me, the most impressive performance of Pani's. Yeah, and it does show like Lenny's part of, all of a part of Dan Hola in the team time. Yeah, the real, real heads know the ride of the race was Dan Hola in the team time trial back on stage two. I mean, just to give people an idea about how much the sport has changed. I'm just clicking over to 2020 in my spreadsheet. But got char, his winning ride for the to win the two

And now we're scoffing at a 7.3 watt per kilo effort to, uh, seal up Perry knees, but yeah, the level just gets higher. We talked about it on Friday and it just seems to keep keep going up. And also Spencer, you know, Borgachars ride is on the second last day after three weeks, which is very well, and also we should say at the end of an all-out 30 minute time trial. Yeah, exactly. And then you start the climb. Yeah. And that's like what you want to keep in mind

is Perry knees, you're never going to have great numbers because it's, you're freezing your

popsicle for the, I sickle for the first like half of the race. It was, they were in the snow on stage seven, the race in on stage eight. It looked nice. It probably wasn't as nice as it looked. You're just never going to see like record breaking efforts at Perry knees in my opinion. I don't know. I don't know. We both, we do feel good about Jonas for the 0, probably the sport has not been ruined by Jonas Fenderguard as was feared on Friday.

“I think that's weight, uh, you know, like before the 0, he does Catalonia, which is pretty soon.”

So, uh, that's going to be interesting to see him against Remko. Uh, that's going to be an indication of, uh, let's, I mean, you normally normally Jonas should take it, uh, if if the, the, the potential and the qualities as a GC rather are respected. But, uh, let's see, we, we will, we will see there what, uh, what his level is. Uh, Lenny Martín, a Donny Martínis and Girok Stormstein House or, or not riders that you would name in your top five. If you would go, uh, and, and predict

a ground tour, although Donny Martínis has finished second in the Girok already, let's not forget that

either. Pretty recently, actually. That's two years ago, two years ago. Pretty mind blowing, behind a pretty good performance, too. Um, something, uh, you mentioned Catalonia, flooring lip wits. Keep an eye on him, Catalonia. Interesting to see how he, how he did it. Well, you know, uh, Remko and Florian lip wits were both, uh, on the training camp on the Tades. So, they're going to both show up, uh, sharp and ready to fight. It's kind of funny that Jonas is doing

“all these stages and then Tades just, I think we talked about it last week at George, but his next”

stage race is Tour, Switzerland, I believe. Is it not Romney? Oh, no, no, Romney. No way. I don't think he is going to Romney. Oh, no. No, it's on a schedule. You said that and then that popped on a schedule. Maybe they listen to you. Initially, initially, I think they announced Romney and Tour Swiss event. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's that's perfect for him. That is perfect. He doesn't, he doesn't need any preparation. I want to, one of the things I was going to ask you about

Hein, Europe Brooks. What is going on there? Kian, Kian moved to Movistar in the half season. Rock is wrist, Rock is wrist. Yeah, Rock is wrist in, uh, where was it? Was there a Valenciana? Yeah, Tour of Valencia. Yeah. Rock is wrist. So, um, I don't know. I mean, he's recovering obviously. So, uh, we can't say, right? I don't know when he's going to reappear. He's on the start of his performance day at Molano, Tourino. Okay. Okay. Well, that's good. That's good. That's good.

And then Matt Spaderson looks like he's going to start the spring classics and not me on some rainbow, but the Belgian classics. So, that's pretty crazy. That's unbelievable. Yeah. You know, Rock is color bone on one side and his wrist on the other side. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what was also in Valencia, huh? And, uh, yeah, he's training and, uh, yeah, on the schedule for E3.

“All right. Well, anything else you'll hunt before we take off?”

Uh, nope. Uh, we back soon to predict, uh, preview Minosa Raymond. Yeah, very, very excited. I mean, this is all this was all fun, but it starts getting serious on Saturday when you have Vanderpool and Pagatric on at it. Whoo. That's the money. Man, the monuments, there's nothing like there's the monuments and the ground to a Spencer. That's, you know, those races cannot be erased and are there for a reason. And the, the races that are becoming rarer and cycling that you don't quite know who's

going to win, right? You've seen Raymond Flanders, Rubey, Lee Hs, we don't talk about maybe that needs to re-working or something, but those three races come on me, the reality in Lombardy, it's, if the

day starts, he wins, pencil him in, yeah, it's not fair. But those, those first three

truly, uh, wide variety of riders can win. And then also, uh, one, one race I really look forward to, also Spencer, which is, you know, like, more open races, obstacle race. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? That is the most, I'd say, like, democratic of the big

if you've done Rubey, I don't believe anyone's ever won Rubey and I'm still gold in the same year.

“When you think we have to go back to maybe any marks or something, I don't know. It's just so”

taxing to try to back up. Yeah, you're ras. Yeah, maybe it is. You know, we're on races. Yeah, I do only because of that. I think I've maybe looked to this up before and he was the only kind of win before they used to call it the umstal gold ross instead of all three five or six times.

“Yeah, I do, Rubey and he, and he did win Rubey. So one of those years, you must have won both.”

I think. So 1982 he wins Rubey. Yep. And then, one week later, when Sam Stowgirls actually, he's my old boss, by the way. He was the manager of Robobunk when I, when I went there. Oh, crazy. I didn't know you were a rabble bank.

I was year. 96. 97. First of all. And then that 97 was your last year.

Oh, 98. Oh, yeah, 98. And then 99, you were a manager. Yeah, crazy. Well, we got to get that special.

That podcast out. Talk about a after-insition. I wasn't with my, with my basically. I wasn't with

my. That is, yeah. It's my, is the team is, is Robobunk from the past. That is true. Interesting.

“That's why you're such a beautiful fan. You're always talking about. All right. You'll,”

well, we'll talk soon for San Ramo and, uh, we'll get an opportunity to get an opportunity to. Okay, bye.