We don't know how Jonas is going to fend out the next two weeks, you know?
I have a sneaking suspicion having watched him today and then he's not going to finish this race. That is all. That's all. Well, hey, we're here to give a opinion. I'm not saying that's going to happen.
I just saw a man who was broken today and he, the last couple years, he's remained positive in the second place. He said, "I'm going to take this race on and push him to Paris." I mean, how many years do you want to do that? I'm finished second.
There's not much he can do in this race. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Moop podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. Georgian Kappy, and Spencer Martin. We are talking about stage six of the tour to Tade, which is turning not to be yet again. Alain, what would we do here on stage six?
Where we go? Stage six from Paul to Gavarni Jeda, from Paul to Gavarni Jeda.
Never been finished before, town.
It never never been up that climb. Tade made it look like a flat road. Tade poker chart goes away after an unbelievable performance by not only his team, but then the acceleration by Isaac Del Torre to set him up because away with 43 kilometers to go. Just as we always say, see in the doucheous.
I mean, that was seeing the doucheous. Bradley, I have a question for you, I did just what, what did we just, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. We're not surprised. We said yesterday he was capable of it.
Yep. We hope he wouldn't do it. But yeah. What does this mean? What does it mean for the rest of the race?
I'll say it again. This is stage six. Where'd it be go from here? Well Jonas looked a finish shell at the finish. He looked demoralized in his body language, in his post-racings of you.
“And you have to think in his position on he said that all about that last climb.”
He was getting caught by the group behind and losing time to Tade.
We never saw him once like that in the gyro.
We never saw him once like that in the world to he won. This race is over. I mean we try not to predict that the race is over two weeks left. But this is Tade Bagatio. We're talking about it was a dominant display, not just from him but the team.
Yeah. I think that's the biggest difference for the last year. Yeah. We felt like Vismo was taking the race to them in the first week and Vismo was dominated today.
Right, you are. On the positive side we have a really exciting race going over second place. Yeah, we do. And what you guys have been 25 or 28 seconds and one thing I thought about when we were watching this dominant display is hopefully now we start seeing like breakaway guys winning
stages. Exciting races now we can go for the guys that have chances to get away with pro trust guys that's a big lead. Obviously the race is not over like you said, but I hope this brings it back to like that dynamic racing that we saw in the gyro where some of these breakways start making
it. A lot of big riders are going to start trying to get into the breakways to get at least a stage win in the store.
“So I think there's plenty of exciting racing left to go.”
There is. And the big question is how many more times is tagging to do that to tagging time? Yeah. What point are they going to sit back and go right? That's enough now to defend.
What they can do it again. Stage 14 right? Exactly. We have a break. Yep.
Then again, he's proven time and time again that he can do this on doesn't have to be a stage in the Alps or stage in the Pyrenees. Let me just repeat also longs. This is a man. He come back to it.
Yeah. The one Milonstone Ramon, the Tour of Flanders, which couldn't get any more different loads of racing. And this is just this year. Second in Paris.
Yeah. And the end of last season, one Tour of Lombia and the World Road title. I mean, the difference in racing and how hard it is, Georgina, how it is those races Flanders. Yeah.
Georgina and do down the tourmalay is he really is, it's Milksesk. Yeah. Well, and I actually, yeah, I agree with that. But I would actually want to take you one up there. And if you just, obviously, look, we can look at these performances and say all the things
that we've just said in the first five minutes.
But you can also look at these performances and just, and we're talking about sport. Let's just talk about all sports. Yeah. Okay. Wimbledon is going on.
The open is about to start. The world cup is going on. You name the sport, right?
“Man, I'll set up in my view, and I think we all share this view, that there's not an athlete”
in the world. I mean, this is the equivalent of winning the New York City marathon by five minutes. These guys are happy to win by 10, 12, 15, 20 seconds.
There's not an athlete in the world.
Forget cycling. Obviously, everybody listening, everybody watching degrees, this is, this is once in a lifetime.
“But if you want to have fun with it and continue to play it out, there is this is the most”
dominant athlete in the world. Yeah. Nobody close. This is like, yoke of it rolling up to the Wimbledon final, whoever he plays and going 606.
Oh, exactly. And to your point, brother, you say it's Merx, Merx, I don't even think this is the best we've ever seen. And what going back to where did we saw in San Rima, where he crashes over a minute behind before the suppressor, like race is over 99.9% of the time, he can not only come back
in his press, he attacks before the top of the suppressor, something we've never seen
in the cycling history, and days like today just keeps doing it on it. Oh, and I forgot. Lee is best on the action there as well. Of course. It's easy to forget.
Sorry. Sorry, Charlie. But George, are you saying you think that this isn't Merx, this isn't Merx, this is like beyond. I think of it.
I mean, the stuff that I can do from San Rima to Paris or Bay to the tourmalade, I mean, this is like every different discipline and cycling, and he can just cover it all, like we haven't seen that. And has the team.
I will say on, you know, last year we were questioning Visma's tactics.
Well, they, as if they listened and they're going with sort of a different, more passive approach and say, hey, let them make the race happen, let UAE, set the tempo, set the tempo.
“And I think we even said it last year, like, did it really doesn't matter?”
There is no defense here. Yeah. The other thing, the boats, it boats well for our Americans too, we got set up as you know, bringing it out. I'm trying to mean the positives.
Except because material arrogance in, I mean, all of our really strong Americans now, may not have to just sit on their front and burn energy for the rest of the sort of France, they can get in break ways, go for stage, there's a lot of positives I can show you. Sean Quinn's interview at the finish. I'd look, these are, these are a tough day, right?
And I know we're only six stages in all of the factors that we've talked about, the heat, the difficulty of the first six days. This is already a very, very difficult tour. His interview at the finish, he was, I mean, he said, look, we had a plan. The plan was to, you know, maybe torsed in train cracks, maybe I can find my way to
yellow and, and he was just defeated, I mean, he just shaking his literally shaking his head. And from personal experience being second place in the GC of Tour de France is about as far away as being like, 150, it's probably worse because you're right there, you can touch you can taste it, but it's just so hard to actually get it. So I feel for him.
Yeah. I mean, the whole, it was also the buildup wasn't it, you know, we thought that Jonas, this was going to be his best chance since he won the race, having won the world, having won
the Jero, never really looked in any difficulty in the Jero.
We thought maybe this is the year that someone challenges the dominance of Taday. And there we are, that was the result today, and it's, well, yeah. And if you're Jonas in good guard, and Johan got us these times, like this is the beauty of, now there are other, this is in a perfect science, like the 100 meter freestyle, where the pool is the same pool and, et cetera, et cetera, but, you know, they're still the
elements, there's the heat, there's the wind, climb like the, the tournament like can be exposed. We saw that there was wind, but they timed these climbs. They know where the start line is, they know where the finish line is. These are segments, just like you would have on Strava, Taday Poguchar beat the best time up the tournament by two minutes and 44 seconds.
Now, I've been said that the best time before that was Jonas Vanguard. He was only about 35 seconds down. So he also beat, he beat his own time by two minutes and 10 seconds. And everything you said about him is still true. So he's Jonas Vanguard defeated at the finish line.
A shell of a man, and oh, by the way, he wrote the tournament two minutes and 10 seconds faster than he ever has. Yeah, that's got to be demoralizing. Yeah, it is. And Johan and I talk about pretty much every week that, like every year, everyone's the
fittest and fastest Dave ever been, like Egan Bernal today finished 11th, five minutes ish down and he probably had a better performance than when he won the tour in 29th. His numbers are better. Yes, they are doing the best power numbers of his life.
“Yeah, I think about Jonas, like he really improves in 2023 and he's getting crushed.”
It must be demoralizing. If you guys want to hear power numbers on this, I mean, these are like crazy good power numbers, but it does feel like the heat and the fact that wasn't the final climb got to people. But Poguchar did, this is like my calculation, it's pretty accurate, but just, this is not real numbers, 435 watts for the 42 minutes, so that's 6.7 watts for kilo.
Interestingly, Jonas, 6.8 watts per kilo, which shows you how when you're that light, you actually have to produce more watts per kilo, like he did 385 watts, because he's
Light though, his watts per kilo are higher.
And that's where you can kind of pay for being so, so, so light.
Similar performance is to vinegar at the zero, though, like he did 6.8 watts per kilo in Pino Caballo on stage 20, so it's not like Poguchar's numbers are like out of this world.
“It's just I think the, the arena in which he's doing it, second to last climb, super hot”
day, like it's hard for anyone to match that. Well, not only that, but the endurance, the difference in endurance, where Jonas didn't lose that much time. The top trimmer layer was maybe 15, 20 seconds behind, but then he was at the limit. And then he saw Poguchar just sort of get into his own on the downhill and on the final
climb and put another two minutes on him. You know, I mean, that's a massive difference in endurance, like forget about the numbers, like what he did today is just a completely different level. Well, I don't think any of us are going to have any wild picks here, or any disagreement on the eight sleep move of the day.
The fun fact though, because I think I know everybody here is going to pick, of course, eight sleep, the mattress cover that can cool and eat your mattress, your side, your partner side doesn't matter. Taday Poguchar sleeps every night of the Tour de France on a unenate sleep mattress cover. It is a game changer.
I've been sent all these hacks and gizmos and there's only the, if I had to pick one, I'm thinking to get him one. Is there a big machine that goes with it? Just, it's a, yeah, I was wondering if I don't have a thing. How, how, how, how, how, how portable is it, they take it to every stage.
Yeah, his, he's not carrying it. But they have a whole staff for that and probably a whole truck. It is, it's going to have a head on over to eight sleep.com, use the code, the move. You get 500 bucks off your first smart mattress cover. Also, 30 days to try to home or send it back, move with the day, Bradley.
Taday. I mean, again, we're not George Giddo, how to, how can you say some different kind of pressure. Spencer Taday. You'd have to dig deep to come up with one that's not, yeah.
Yeah, I, I hate to be unanimous here.
“But we'd be fools to not pick, well, I think the, the, the, the zag would be not Taday”
in the tournament, but what, what George said, Taday after the tournament, that's the move of the day. So, yeah. Keep piloting it on. Keep following on.
Never slowed down, kept the pace a whole time.
Yeah. I had some discussion yesterday about, and I think all of this work, it were internally rooting for torsion train without seven minutes, finish top 10 in a grand tour, doesn't finish on the tournament. Does it neutralize that enough can he hold on to the all jurors he got popped?
As did a lot of people. I mean, he got dropped when a lot of really good writers were getting dropped, Matthew Rickatello, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan. These, these guys are, these are real climbers, couldn't hold the wheel, clearly had given everything was cross-eyed on, on the downhill, crossed the wheel with his
teammate and hit the deck. I think they're waiting on X-rays. He did say an upholstery interview, hit his head pretty good, they were giving him the, like, the fucking, homerolead that, you know, on the, on the side of the brush, like, I mean, I mean, I don't know how they do it, like, how many, he was woozy, but bomber for him.
We'll see if he, he was kind of leaving it out there like there might be something broke in or something that would prevent him. He definitely looked like his shoulder was hurting and he hit that pretty hard, but like you said, that's, you know, as a van watching that going, what do you think and why you're overlapping this wheel?
But you come over the tunnel, they are 200 hard rate, I mean, the pressure of the world is on you, like, you just don't think straight at those moments. That's the crash on the tunnel, a very similar situation. You can cross the wheel when you're 20, 20 vision. Yep, yeah.
When you're cross-eyed, yeah, it's a lot easier to cross the wheel. It was what Ben Wiggins said, two days in yellow, crash boat days. That's tough, tough tenure in yellow. I would shock that he lost. I thought he would hold the jersey.
I mean, the gaps today just, like, the 10th place riders subcoose was over three minutes down. Well, he wouldn't know how the jersey is even without the crash. No, yeah, there's not a chance. That's right.
You know what else Ben Wiggins said when he walked into the studio, walked down here, I guess you guys had a little break because you had to get from the car, the house to the car, and then down in the studio when Ben walked in, he said, "Is he up by 20 minutes yet?" That'll stick with you. Yeah.
Well, exceptional, and then Lance, you were saying, you know, I'm like, looking to there's a lot of town through it.
“I think Paul's six-offs had a great day to finish in that group.”
He's still competing for the podium, but you mentioned earlier that this is just a different race than any other race. How is the tour, why are these guys in such shock when they've had such good performances earlier this year? Just a different race.
I don't, I never buy into the hype and the promise of what anybody did in the Jero de Talia
or the tour of Spain. Doesn't matter. Oh, you guys come in here and talk well, well, but he wrote a great Jero, and he's one all three.
Who cares?
There is one bike race, and it is by far the biggest bike race in the world, and it is
by far the hardest, but it is just different. Everything about it's different. Want it? Yep. It's just different.
You cannot mimic it. Nothing compares. I don't care what you did in May or what you're going to do in September. It is just different. Everything about it's different.
I'm sure we got it. I'm sure we got it. I'm sure we got it. What about Rubey? No.
That's a one day race. That's a whole lot of that. That's apples and oranges. It's just different. I mean, the intensity of it, the speed of it, the intensity of it, and if you're, and
when I was so, I felt like I was leading the Paul Seixas fan club in the preview show,
“and I think, look, now that I'm watching this unfold, Paul Seixas has, has now has a problem.”
Okay? Yeah. His name is Isaac Del Toro. Isaac Del Toro is 22 years old. Paul Seixas, 19, 20 years old.
Yeah. That's younger. But we'll see what happens with tidy poker chart.
I want to get to this in the second half of the show, because I think there's one
thing that can beat. There's one thing. There's one element that can beat Taday Pogacir, and I'm going to talk about it in the second half of the show. But if you're Paul Seixas, yeah, I think you had an okay day.
But he is watching Isaac Del Toro go, and okay, this Slovenian may not be here forever. And he's looking around. He's got an IDT problem. Yeah. Well, he did probably have the best.
I don't believe a 19 year old is in modern history has finished in the top five of mountains. That's right. Yes. This is a younger sport now.
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Yeah, Matt Piers in early breakway had to do a big bridge across the breakway. Head up, bike ride. Yeah, he had to.
He even holds up at this pure power.
He was like, yeah, demonstration. Yeah, demonstration of power and he's got power. And he's all in on the green jersey, obviously. Yesterday, what he did yesterday, today, making that huge effort before the big climbs. He had those points.
Obviously, he's putting a lot of them to this on getting as many points as he can when the road suits him.
“Who are we saying he's going to be his biggest challenge now?”
Because the top day is now. Well, it could be right because he's got 168 points, max canter 93. You are impressed with max canter.
Been in your mind, 91 points and third, and then Philips in 86, tadipagotter 75.
That's who I would be worried about. Yes, there's similar discrepancies. When you look at the yellow, the time differences for the yellow jersey and the points differences for the green jersey, these are very similar to the describe. 168 to 93, I don't know how many that is.
That's whatever 75, if you got to go all, you got to go a long ways down the points total to find another 75. To find another 75, very similar. Yeah. But it was kind of interesting because camp and arts went up the road with one other guy.
Petterson bridges up. And then the other sprinters, it was so hard that he even tried to go. It was opposite one on the front and pace so that other people couldn't get up there. And they just were like, oh, we'll get forced at the intermediate sprint because it was at that hard at the start of today's stage.
And we also haven't seen a lot of, yeah, we also haven't seen Ramco climb this good even though he didn't have like a standout performance compared to how he's climbed the last year.
“I think today was his best climb in day, at least in the last year.”
Yeah, the best performance of his life that no one will ever remember.
Yeah, that was incredible.
Yeah. But still, we're still in there for the podium fight, that's arguably one of the hardest climbs of the sort of. Yeah. But let's think about del Toro, how do you look in that?
I thought he looked good. I mean, he said the pace for a poker chart dropped Jonas right away and then gave the head nod to poker chart like, I can't keep going at this pace, but still instead of blowing up, just kind of got right on the wheels and stayed with that group of favorites for the podium. Also, a big container for the French at the finish, I thought.
Well, yeah, that's, I mean, if you can make it over the tourmalay, the downhill for a guy like that, that's so good technically, it's all recovery. And then the valley floor leading up to that last time, same thing, did not take one pull. He was in an ideal scenario and won the sprint for a second, or for third, sorry. Bradley, if, if, if, who is more demoralized, Jonas being a guard, are Remko.
Jonas? Yeah, 100%. I would have said Remko. No. I would say.
I think Remko is riding the perfect race up to this point. You know, I know he, he came as a win the race, of course, but, but a success for him will be the podium this year after, where he came from last year, a new team, you know, a
“certain his leadership over lip of it, so I think that's what his goal was secretly.”
He might not say publicly, but I think that that's success for him. And look, we don't know how Jonas is going to fend out the next two weeks. You know, I have a sneaking suspicion having watched him today, and then he's not going to finish this race. Oh, wow.
That's a while. Well, hey, we're here to give a opinion. Well, I'm not saying that's going to happen. I just saw a man who was broken today.
And he, the last couple of years, he's just remained positive in second place.
He said, I'm going to take this race on to push him to Paris. I mean, how many years do you want to do that? I'm finished second. There's not much he can do in this race. There might be an underlying illness as we mentioned yesterday.
I don't know. He's still wearing the face muscle at the start, but he went two minutes faster than he ever went. I don't know. Almost two, nearly three minutes, so, you know, when you were right last year about Remco,
you said he's going to drop out and drop out. I don't want that to happen. I don't want to see that, but, you know, we're six days into this two of France. And that is the man we're witnessing at the top of this country. And this is New Cycling.
I don't think there's any scenario that either one of y'all who both won the Tour de France would have done what he did today, and would have probably charted it on the tour of the day today. No. Three or four teammates, some of the best climbers in the world, you're in the best spot
to perceive, you could still win the stage by letting your guys do the work. Nope. He goes with 40K to go solo, like, this is completely new cycling, that we haven't witnessed, but, I guess, it is what it is. I mean, for him, that's short.
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It's boredom. I'm not kidding. You see it. Yeah. And it is.
George, I'm being dead serious. Because I've been in this position. I've been in the position. No matter what anybody says or things. I've been in this position.
And after a while, it becomes a job. And you're paid to win, you're supposed to win. Of course, you don't want to lose. But it's different. And you say, I don't know.
And maybe I'm in a unique position. Because I have been there. And it's like, how are we going to go? I just speak down again. I'm watching him.
You watch his post-rac interview. This is a guy who's phoning it in. And I actually, I have a ton of, really actually sympathy for that. Because he spends a ton of time preparing for this. And look, Toddy Bogotar would love a fight.
Just a fist fight. Just bring it on and do it out. He would love that. He's not going to have that.
“I think that's the only thing that eventually.”
And Bradley, you've sort of, and others. It doesn't have to be. Others have said, OK, is this, you know, does what is the, how does this end, right? Is LA 28 sort of the Swan song and how many tours that is? We don't know.
Only he knows. Or maybe he doesn't even know. But that man at the finish line today, that was a guy who just seemed uninterested. And I say that with a ton of compassion for him,
because it's not easy. I mean, it's, it's, I'm serious. I don't know if you guys. But I mean, we said it last year, didn't we? We said, what, what point is he going to get bored of the sport?
And he seemed disinterested the last week last year, didn't he? Yeah, I would say though, it's sound, this is going to sound ridiculous. He's not really a stage, he's like stage racingness is job. It feels like one day racingness is passion. Yeah.
So I almost feel like he's here, like preparing for worlds. I know. You know, he's like, I got to get an effort in today. Because those were the races that, like, think about, well, Van art, the duel with, well, Van art at Parary Bay.
Well, that's probably what gets him out of bed. These are challenges. Yeah. These are new. These are fist fights.
These are, you don't know what somebody is going to throw at you. And that's exciting. Look, you see his face in those races.
“You see his interviews after those races.”
They are different. Yeah. And it's hard, it's hard to even think about him. Because this is the Tour de France. I just told you how great this race is and what it means to the entire sport.
And what it, what it means to the world of sport. But I'm watching it. And I feel for the dude. I really do. It's the most miserable you see him all year.
The Tour. He is like a different guy. Yeah. I mean, the other thing is, though, we all know how much training it takes. How much alone time.
He hasn't raised that much this year. Maybe 20 race days. 22 race days. Like you mentioned earlier on Lancet is the Tour de France. It is still massive to win the stage.
He looks like he's doing it with ease. But I'm sure he's still excited tonight at the dinner table. He's excited. How many of those 22 race days has he won? Like 16, I think.
14. 14. Yeah. After today, 14. 15.
Yeah. That's pretty catches. And he's counting. Like he's doing stage races.
“And that's counting like sprint stages at the stage racing.”
One of a kind. Yeah. One of a kind. But that one of a kind still. Look, and I'm not debating whether or not he likes.
If you're only racing 22 days thus far, the rest of the time he's out training.
That's what I don't want to speak for him.
But I will tell you how I felt.
And I suspect this is how he feels.
“Those days he's out there, whether he's in the South of France, where he lives, or he's”
at training camps, or he's at altitude. And he's alone. He wouldn't want to be anywhere else. That is the only place in the world he wants to be. And that's different than today.
There's a question for you lots. Was the process though? Those training days. Would they boring? No.
No. That's what I loved the most. Yeah. And it's why I went when these tours would play out as they did. And we would get to Paris.
And Paris is a celebratory place. It's crazy. We're already talking about Paris. But I was like, all right. The process, this particular process is now complete.
Yeah. So I'm ready to leave. Have a little time off. And restart this process. Now, I'm just telling you what I felt.
I am not telling you that that's healthy. If Taty Poguchar called me tonight and asked me about it, I would encourage him to expand the horizon a little bit because it isn't healthy. It's successful. It's going to get him and his sponsors and his legacy everything at once.
But it's the way I looked at it. And I'm 55 years old now and I look back on it now. And I wish I would have stepped off the bus in Paris and looked at that scene differently. How did you find a judge? You know, that third week the tour going for number six or seven.
Ah, that's a good question. I mean, it was boring for you. It was just as exciting as that. And it evolved a lot of chains. I mean, I remember the year when he won your five.
It was like, we never quite knew if he was going to win.
Because he was in his best and he was struggling the whole time. And I think guys like myself played a much bigger role. Yeah. And keeping him confident and keeping him safe and that was super motivating for me. And appealing for me.
But yeah, after that, you're right. You're just kind of getting this zone where you're like, okay, probably going to win. And you know exactly what we need to do. But that said, we didn't witness that kind of domination. What we saw today, like we would it was more of.
It was more of times.
“I don't ever remember you going more than 10 K solo, right?”
Yes, no. Last climb. But it was exactly as destructive. It looked up Cestry Air from 1999. That folks thought that was that was the beginning.
That was real. That was the big one. What took him was two minutes. Because I was saying what you were saying, Bradley. We were sitting here and I was like, are you dominated everybody?
But you won by 31 seconds at Cestry Air, which I remember being as destructive as this. Yeah. Yeah.
It was still as tomorrow.
I was looking for the others. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was. And that was, you know, we woke up to, you know, look, there was a lot of.
There were fires there. There was smoke around those fires. But we woke up the next day to just screaming headlines across the country of. The. The sport of of two speeds that they do vites.
It's 31 seconds. But anyway, so we don't need to. But like when you caught Jan in a prologue, that was equally. Yeah. Bradley, did you find the process boring?
I enjoyed the process.
“Well, I would have just been paid to do the process.”
Thank you. Yeah. Absolutely. I would love that. And you've mentioned it before, which I've found super fast.
And like some of you are training right. I know if we've all trained crazy hard, but like some of the shit you were doing, like, America, like, when you do the lap of my, I don't know how long. Like 70 to our right. Yeah.
Yeah. It's kind of a deficit. But it's, it's only what was leading to what these guys are doing now. Yeah. It's guy with a, but what, like, break down that one training right.
You're talking about what I thought was insane. So it's calorie deficit. So you aim to create a massive calorie deficit in order. And you feel under that. So we had protein each hour, half a bar each hour.
So you look to burn five, six, seven thousand calories on the bike. But only consume three and a half during the day. Yeah. In order to burn fat. But they would take it out of you in the days after.
Yeah. So you were doing, how long was that one? That whole, that whole science has changed now. Yeah. The whole pre breakfast.
No, no breakfast fat burning. Look, using that as a fat source. It's changing. It's all about carbs. Yeah.
Yeah. Fun story about that 2003 tour. I was, you're right. I was, I was like, well, I don't this, this is it. I don't think I can do this.
The yard was good. I was off my game for sure. And mentally, I was like, not in the best place. And we would, we would sit in the back of the bus. And look at his, it George has little white thing.
And he had these headphones plugged into it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm probably going to say, what the fuck is that? This is, there's music on here.
It's an iPod. That's it. That's right. Yeah. Hello.
How the wheel on it? And I said, what? I said, let me check that thing out. I said, how do you find different music? You know, I put the headphones in a row in this wheel.
And of course, he's listening to this, this rap and hip hop. And all that stuff. Boy. All right. Change the game.
I don't know if I, and I'm like fucking returning this wheel.
It was a band pops up in incubus.
I said, whoa. I can listen to this.
“I don't want to listen to any of this other stuff.”
But incubus. Boom. Push the button. If I can change the tour to answer for me. Yeah.
I swear to God. That was, I was like every morning. I was like, he's going to borrow that white thing again. And incubus. Boom.
Not to get, not to get soupy. But like, that was one of my most fondest stores because I had to take care of him. He was like, Mr. Confidence here.
It was always sort of insecure of his form, the whole tour to France.
So I would always just be on him. I was courting. I was chasing my wife at the time, which I met early in the tour in the tour in 2003. I was highly distracted that tour was a super fun tour to France for me. And it went down to the wire and to the time travel to Paris.
So, you know what? The good news is, George, for that tour to France, you battered a thousand. That's right. And you know what the great bear Bryant said for another show, just kidding. Post race.
We forget about his preview. Post show show. No, we're going to do the stage seven to test preview. Let's pull it up. How about the profile?
170, hope I'm looking at the right thing. 175 kilometers. Look, you know what the fun thing to think about. Bordeaux is classic spring today. Yeah, if you're a climber, I mean, you're thinking about the west.
You're thinking of on to. You're thinking of the tourmalet. Are you thinking of those things? If you're a sprinter, the Bordeaux is your out the west. Like, all the greats, you name the greats.
They have one in Bordeaux. And that's where we're going to finish tomorrow. Look, I mean, these riders must be looking at this profile. Go and, yes. It is going to be super hot though.
It's going to be hot. It's going to, and George, you like talking about the dynamic of the early race. Look how late the point spring is. Yeah, I mean, 55K from the finish. So, you know, track is going to have to do some well.
You would think they have to do a little bit of work. But what is the temp? A hundred degrees again. Yeah. Yeah, of course, it's going to be Bordeaux.
It's just a hot city. Yeah. Yeah. You a good technically have the day off tomorrow. Because the spinner team's going to control it from the start.
You know, one thing we haven't talked about here is, and I don't, we can look this up on some weather forecast is a day like this. If you just had some mystery or some summer wind or, you know, you can get, yep, that could make this race interesting. Yeah.
You don't have to have a, you know, 20 mile perfect crosswind right here. Look at it. How's the wind looking? The wind is looking, uh, not strong. Like three K an hour.
Yeah. So that's not, that is not going to do it. Uh, but hey, we got two more weeks to go. There's, there, there may be some stages that, that, uh, when plays a factor. Yeah.
I mean, this would be classic wind day, like indoor day. Everyone's taking the foot off the gas a little bit. Boom. And then he can crosswinds. Um, who do you guys think is going to win?
I'm going to go with Philipson.
“I think he, um, he'll find his, he'll find his, he's footing this race.”
Um, there's George. I'm going to go with Koy. The team saw how strong he was the other day. So he's probably going to have more guys, not probably he will have more guys. Focus on him on the finish tomorrow.
And I think, uh, what that's meant he did. It's going to be hard to beat him. I'm going with, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to ride with George on this one. All off Koy. Let's see the run in.
Yeah. Very, I mean, ride along the river in Bordeaux. This is the last four kilometers or just ride along the river. Straight for me.
Always think about the, I mean, I think we all agree.
The crash disrupted things two days ago. I'm going with all off Koy. By the way, I heard this morning. The highest paid sprinter in the history of the sport. Is it?
Yeah. Three million euros a year. It is worth it. I mean, for the Catholic, they had never won a two or stage as a decathlon. Yeah.
I mean, now, but he also flew under the radar the other day a little bit. Yeah.
“And I think at some point, Al Pasine and Van Du Poin, particularly,”
we're going to play that part in this lead out. I beat him up. That might be tomorrow. I think Bordeaux is the second most visited. Yeah.
It must down in the toured history. Well, the original, and I'm not, I'm not a lot of things. Tour historian would be at the top of the list. But as I understood it, you know, the original toures, 113 years ago had had 15 state or five.
Sorry, five stages. Five finishes in Bordeaux was from day one. Am I getting that right? It was one of them. It says 133 finishes at Bordeaux.
Wait. So there can be possible. I mean, would there be tours that would finish their multiple times? That would be, you know. Is that a chat GPT?
Yeah. That's funny. Look, AI is going to sell. There's, there've only had it 113 times. Well, there was a time trial one day in the.
It's the beginning of the next split day.
I sure need to just first double check that.
They had to stage in 1984 for Nont to Bordeaux. It was like, they still have it in the Bordeaux. Wow. I think it was 350k.
Wow.
Right.
And we look at some of these stages.
Like, oh, long one for the guys today. 185. How are they going to do it?
“Can you imagine who in the tournament today on a fixed gear?”
And it's not paved. That's mind blowing to me. Yeah. Did that happen? No.
Let's take some, let's take some call wins. I think I think we all agree. We've been loving this. We got the boy smell line set up. It goes straight down to Georgia's room at the house.
That is a course plus one. 9707182736 calls and leave us a voice. Well, tell us just because we like, I don't know, answering you directly. Tell us your name.
Tell us where you're from. And we'll pick up the pins on the day. We'll pick two to three to listen to and spit ball on. Colton, let's roll them. Who we got first?
Hey guys, this is Brad from Mobile Alabama. Oh, baby's first time caller. Long time listener. I was curious as to whether or not well then are not being there. There's a huge blow to young friend to go.
What do you guys think about that? Love the show. Keep up the good work for us. Great question. That's amazing.
Great question. George, you have really rallied the people from the south. Yeah, we are getting a lot of calls from the south and the south.
You know, I never knew the tour was so bad.
Yeah. In Mobile Alabama. So you want me to take it? Yes, Southern call. I do.
But we can all chime in. I mean, there is. We're all a little curious about wealth on our. But yeah, go for it. Well, I mean, I don't think it had much of an impact today.
Perhaps in the first couple days. What we saw today was just a different level from the first two guys. Wow, we would not have been able to have been able to make any difference today. Sure, I would have been great to have in the last couple of days for positioning. But I don't think it's that a major impact yet.
The race is still two weeks ago. That's my opinion. Yeah, I don't think I agree with George and terms of the performance point of view. But, you know, much like when we were just talking before about how you played your role to launch in no three and having a somewhat light, wow, round.
You know, he's a great, it's got a great aura. So just to have him around when you're a little bit demoralised and not feeling great, wow, it would be great in those situations.
“So I think he would be missed on the bus.”
It would be missed around just right around the palette on an easy days. Yeah. Because, you know, he's well, but not. Well, Bernard is a top 10, top 5 rider in the palette on worldwide in terms of prominence. But he is, nobody needs to say, well, who?
Yeah. I mean, he is well fun art. And with that comes, comes a lot, right? And having him in the group as a, whether it's the wind or just as a, you know, whether it's off the bike in the bus for morale.
Yeah. He's, he's a, he's got a hell of a career and he's, he's well fun art. I mean, it cares a lot. He's a giant. Like literally.
Yeah. And the guy like big palmaires. Yeah. And the guy like, he's a giant. And the guy like, he's a giant.
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And the guy like, he's a giant. I can, I can Jane, I'm going to answer that one because I'm coming to your home town next month for, we knew this. I mean, you were so predictable. But you know who would, you know who to like, would do this to me every tour like two weeks in. Because my man right here.
He'd like, I'd be like, he'd go in front of me. And he'd be, and he'd look back. He's like, do I look fat?
“Do my calves look shredded every year without doubt two weeks into the race?”
He would be asking me how his legs looked. And he'd be in the yellow jersey the Tour de France. So he probably would be looking at others less than looking at himself. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, you would naturally.
But, you know, there's so many, so many mind games going on on those climbs. Nobody was great at it. Not giving too much away as to how he was feeling. Others not so much like someone like Froome with, you know, he's his riding style.
We'd always suggest that he was struggling.
And it was quite the opposite. Yeah. And the one I, the one I'm most remember was watching you. And I think it was, oh, one with a famous when you, when you, when you, when you, uh, faked being not so good on the climbs and telecom road.
And then you hit them on out to as was on the out to as day. Yeah.
Yeah.
I remember that.
“Well, so when you won the Tour, who, who was, who were you?”
Who was your most feared rider? Was it Froome or was it nivelli? A nivelli, really. Okay. Because there was an element of control.
So we were still teammates. Yeah. Because even though he may have been better than me in the climbs, he was still on you. I had the better of him in the climbs.
But nobody was, he was the shot. Yeah. You know, and he might not have been the best in that race with a strongest team. He had Basso and a few others.
But he was, you could never ever underestimate him.
I mean, look how we win the zero that. Yeah. He's a six minutes down. He would hate you when you least expected it. Yeah.
Like a shark. Yeah. And Jane, I think, um, I mean, I know personally, I would, I was, uh, I had my head on a swivel. All right. So I was content.
You had your guys that you knew that were your main rivals. And in most of these cases for me was young. So you're always checking them out, right? And you would see them on day one. And you would judge them immediately.
Do they look fit enough to beat me? But as the race plays on, then you're starting to look for other. By the way, guys are looking fitter and fitter as the race goes on. Especially on. I mean, that you're, uh, 2000, uh, young came in way overweight.
And you saw him every day was like he was losing a pound. And I'm like, damn, I hope this thing ends before he gets to the perfect weight.
“But as the race plays out, you're looking at everything, right?”
You're watching a guy, well, a lot of sweat today, a lot of salt. Uh, you're listening to a guy, right? Some guy that's just got a little, and again, you are centimeters from these guys day in and day out throughout the course of the year. You notice a guy's got a little cough.
Just a little something. Or you look at a guy's sweat and more than usual. You know exactly. I knew exactly how much Markup Anthony sweated or didn't sweat. Didn't matter, right?
The heat, the elements. You know, um, uh, they're breathing. You can listen to it.
And so we were a constant, and also, and this is what I was always so incentivized to at least,
like I speak English. I, and in terms of other language, I probably speak 10% of Spanish, 10% of Italian. But I learned enough in all of the languages to know, to know when something was about to happen, something negative was going to happen. Whether it was for them or towards me.
And so you, I learned enough, and you hear, right? The guys are talking on the radio. The guys are talking on themselves. I knew enough to just pick up on what they might be saying. And so yeah, I mean, it's years wide open.
Eyes wide open. Head on a swivel. Absolutely. And George, we'll see you in Philadelphia. You know, just a quick one.
You know, the fear factor was always to select brothers. They would like to sign these tweets. You know, and they get really close and whisper each other in their language. And no one else understood it. Yeah.
You know, and it was like, what they're going to do? And nine times out of ten, it was they'd start hitting you one or the other. Yeah. It's like the NFL. Actually, the world, it all sports now.
The coach comes in. He's like, yeah, so George. I mean, like, like, we're lip readers now. But yeah, that would be tricky, like, especially when they have a language that no one else has. Well, yeah, it's just that strange dialect they have. And they speak every language.
Yeah. Yeah. Not only do they speak to themselves in a weird language, but they understand every other language. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, no. All right. Last one. Final one. Who we got? Hey, boys. I'm interested in the logistics of the nature break story subject.
Could be interesting. I'm just, I don't know. Yeah.
“Do you have to go whilst you're just writing sometimes?”
Any interesting stories about spectators or global. I'm keen to know. It's too from the UK. Stu. Stu.
Thank you. Let me look. It's a good question. Like a lot of people have this question. Stu, you're not alone.
Like people are like, so what happens if you have this? Like the average person? Oh, I'm curious. Like what happens if you have to go to the bathroom?
And then I'm always like, well, it depends.
Number one and number two. Yeah. Number two is a role. Number two is a problem. Number two is a problem.
Number two is a problem. Number two is a problem. Yeah. Number two is a problem. You're something that's probably not right.
Yeah. If you don't number two. Yeah. Number two should be on bad bad day. Yeah.
Yeah. The hydration's so important in this race. And you start by drinking lots in the stage. And there's so many times where I would just pray that the break was going to go. So we could stop and have a year on break.
Yeah. Like at the tour they'll wait till the first break goes. And then everybody will stop. Not everybody but like 80% of the peloton. Then you know you're going to stop.
Or if you have like a chill section that's slightly downhill. You just kind of pull over, whip it out and coast along. So that way you don't lose so much time. Get back in the cars and you're right back in. Yeah.
There's multiple options. I mean, a lot of times. And a lot of most of the time the yellow jersey will dictate this. No. Look, if tomorrow, a tally, poker chart pulls over.
Maybe not early in the race because it's going to be so aggressive. But if there's a wall in the race and he stops to go to the bathroom. There are going to be 80 guys that take advantage of that opportunity and stop. Like they're protected.
They're like, well, he's here.
We're good. That's one option. The other option is you just go off the bike, right? And you know, I'm sure people are seeing this on on the coverage.
“But you know, if you're and you have to obviously not do this uphill folks.”
But you either find it downhill or even a slight downhill. And you just sort of whip it out and have a couple teammates push. It's almost like a, you know, a train where they just keep pushing you and look. We're talking 45 seconds. I could not see if someone was pushing me.
Yeah. I had no problem.
Now the third option, which I don't even know.
So I won the World Championships in 1993. I was young kid. We're in Oslo, Norway. The weather is horrible. It is pissing rain.
It's probably 50 degrees. This is summertime. It is a bismal. I'm nervous to shit. And but the race is long.
It's 165 miles. And I have to go to bathroom. I'm like, I can't stop. I don't know what to do. Fun fact.
In the Oslo world. I pissed in my shorts three times. I just said. Like on the downhill. He was raining.
And he didn't know it all over the course. Didn't matter. I'd be peddling and pissing. I'm this is. No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It warms first of all. It was cold. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was stanky.
It was cold. And it was pouring. So I'm like, I'm soaked anyway. Is what does it matter? It's like you're surfing.
Just peeing in what suit. Yeah, exactly. And so that fun fact. Three different times. Like I'm not stopping.
Interesting. So there you go, Stu. By the way, option three. I don't recommend. No, for anybody.
Yeah. Option one, everybody. Just do that. By the way, too. We're guys.
Right. Here in three weeks. I'll be talking about the Tour de France family of X-Wift. I don't have any. I don't know what happens.
I don't know what. You submit the question. Call me back in three weeks, Stu. You can ask Allison or Mari. But it's it's not.
Last thing. Has I felt like I read recently. There's been a bit of a crackdown. There was some crackdown on this. So there was some penalization.
Yeah.
“Well, are there still evidence was peeing in the bottles, which I think is a good idea.”
So you're not like exposing yourself to the public. You just pop a bottle there. Give it to the tanker. What? Yeah.
And you got, you got like fine for this. No, not to do it. Yeah. I'm going to tease out one more thing. We do.
What nobody realizes. Nobody realizes.
If you're watching the show, we do take a two minute 32 second commercial break for peacock.
And every time, which nobody sees, Sir Bradley gets up and goes to the bathroom. Now, I'm fairly confident now he is coming back on day one day too. I was like, Jesus. He's coming back.
But it still makes me a little nervous tomorrow. I'm going to bring something for Sir Bradley that has a solution for this. I'm dead serious. All right. Just get ready and it works.
It works every time. All right. That's all I have to say. I know what this is. It's going to be fantastic.
Yeah. Let's do a little trivia. Those are great questions. By the way, keep them coming. Well, I was just about to say that number again.
What is it again? George's personal line. 9707182736 calls. Ben Tom trivia of the day. A still deep dark depression for the Egyptians losing to those corrupt referees and the Argentinians.
We had a big conversation last night about soccer. I'm over it. I was in rough. We got friends. I got a big game to do.
I'm on the sid. I was all in and now I'm out. The question yesterday was that Po has hosted the tour more times than almost any other city. How many times has it been featured? Survey says 67 times.
67 times. By the way. How old are you? You were hanging around 21 year old Ben way too much. My 15 year old daughter died.
First time she did that shit.
I was like, what are you talking about? She was like, dad, you're so lame. You are, okay, I'll hurry up. We're almost done. Then you can go do, you know, all right, here we go.
Today's question. The cold, the tournament is the most climbed pass in tour history.
“When was this historic climbs debut in the tour to France?”
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I don't know.
I was not very excited for today's show,
and I have to say how to held the day.
“You guys would just want to keep hanging out?”
No, okay. That was fun. That was a great show. I thought so. Yeah, that was so.
“Thank you, Taday, because you made the show.”
Yeah, thanks. We got to get him on. We got to get him on. Rest day.
“Yeah, you won't have any media requests, I'm sure.”
We'll get him.
All right, we'll see you all tomorrow.
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