About six weeks before the Tour de France, my dad had died suddenly at 53 yea...
riding his bike of a heart failure, and it was a great shock for me, and initially, I couldn't think about riding the tour, so I actually gave up my spot. I said to my team director back then, on all sides, I said, "I can't train, I can't train, so I'm not going to make it to the Tour de France." And then after the funeral, I don't know what happened, something clicked
“in my head, and I went out on a bike ride. And on that bike ride, I think I must have had like”
a imaginary conversation with my father, and I decided I was going to go to the tour and win a stage. Everybody, welcome back to the move. Plus, I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Berniel. We are breaking down stage 11 of the Tour de France, bunch of sprint one by soaring up. Welcome to school, but Johan will say his name correctly here in a second. With all
off-coise second, Jasper Phillips and third, really an incredible, incredible, long range sprint,
launch from around 400 meters. During an odd, low, and final kilometer, you tend to see that now, which is not how sprint he used to be, and we'll talk about that. We'll also preview stage 11, and go through some listener questions. But Johan, just to get right into it. How do we say this man's name? We might have to start saying it because he won on-loop last year, and I went to Tour stage. He's U23 time trial champions, so we know he's got a huge engine. How do you say his name
and what was your major takeaway from the day? Yeah, so it's certain. It's not certain. It's certain. Varian show. Varian show. I've been told. Yeah, difficult name to pronounce, but yeah, I mean, like what a win. Definitely was not on any of the prediction cards of anybody, at least not hours,
“and I think he could take advantage of the strange sprint we saw. I think what we saw was”
it was a fast race, but then there was this sprint, this big sprint, with like seven, six and a
half kilometers to go was a big sprint to like a crucial point. There was a double chicane where
everybody knew that they had to be in front, and they came on a very narrow road, and the race basically stopped. I mean, there was like there were five or six wide, and there was no actually no team pulling or lining it up. The race really slowed down there. I mean, slowed down. I'm still, they're still going 50 can. Yeah, they're going 50 can now, but it looks like they're walking. Normally, they would go 60 there in a normal, like straight,
bigger lane sprint preparation. So that was a bit unusual, I'd say, and there was a lot of trying to find positions and stuff, and there was not really a lead out, until we saw NSN, with one and a half K to go, basically accelerates very violently, and that was it.
“And then I think certain virtual one thanks to the mistake of Olaf Koi in my opinion.”
If you go back to the last 200 meters, it was, there was a, I think it was Caseball, who was trying to lead out, but all of a sudden he got a gap, and Olaf Koi hesitated instead of going on the wheel, he was waiting, he wanted to get somebody in between, and at that moment, when, so he said, maybe I'm getting somebody in between, or there's a gap, so they have to close the gap, otherwise case ball could win. We were already 450 meters from the finish, and at that moment of hesitation,
where NSN called came from the back, on the right side, he found an opening, and he attacked, he could get into the slipstream of Ball, and keep it to the finish. Initially, if you see it
from the front, it's always the same, it looks like it's very tight, but if you see the side shot,
he won very, very, very dominantly. Yeah, so I mean, listen, great win for him, and what to do to France for, you know, X, now they had the leaders jersey already, you with Dorston Trane, a couple of days, now in a stage, we were talking yesterday about the horrible hotel they had, but I mean, didn't imagine. Maybe it helped them. I was wondering about that. They had hardened them up over the rest day, but yeah, it is as they have a stageman and a
yellow jersey. So, three teams of one, the yellow jersey, UAE, Visma, UNOX, it's a very good company
To be in, and they want to stage.
You'd say UAE, and UAE, and Visma, maybe, not even Visma, no, Visma, no, because they won one stage, and they had the other day also had the yellow jersey for a day, two days, and then, yeah, you'd say, maybe two, so it all quicks up two wins, but no leaders jersey. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's super impressive. These guys are definitely, already last year, as an invited team, they won a stage already, and what you'd like to find if you remember. Yeah, correct, yeah,
it was Abra Hamso, no, it was the stage where Wanderpool was chasing, and then he didn't know that
“there was still three guys in the front. It was the, I think that was the best stage of the race.”
That was a really good stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, the way they are able to turn it around, you know, I mean, they had already to deal with some bad luck. The, you know, towards a train, gets in, in the, in the yellow jersey loses, but then crashes out, Johansson is not on the level that they expected him to be for GC, and they just, you know, reprogram and go for other objectives, and they're very successful, and it's an aggressive
team. They, you know, they're very, they're always in a tax, so we might see more of this for UNIX.
What I really like about the team is, you know, so they're easy to mock sometimes. Like, oh, why are you guys attacking on the front stages if you remember back to those stages? But they, I feel like they manifest their own destiny, where they just, we're going to attack, we're going to make this work. If it doesn't work today, at least they're seeding that mentality, like today, they probably shouldn't have won like that. This guy should not be winning these
sprints against these sprinters. But he sees, he sees a gap with 400 minutes to go, and he turns what should be a bunch of sprints basically into a like a mini little pursuit, 500 meter long pursuit, and then can can win against the way way better sprinter, super impressive. And also here's a Spencer very unique, very unique piece of information. I mean, he's huge, one meter 95, but he's 92 kilos. He's 223 pounds for Americans. That's big, man.
That's a big guy. And he won a on loop, which goes, yeah, one of the hardest climbs in Belgium before the finish. But with this, with this weight man, I mean, listen, it's not, it's not normal that you are a professional cyclist at the highest level with 92 kilos. That's very, very yourself, and you see this. Well, you remember, because I remember there was this guy, Aldo Ilosec, that I used to race against. He was a big, Slovenian, great,
crit writer, great, like, fixed gear racer, but never heard it. You know, the problem with being that
big is you can't get over climbs, right? You can't be 205 pounds getting over the twarmly, but he can. Varnish gold can. Like that is mind blowing. How good he, and he's not, he's not the last guy finishing. Like he's actually a decent climber. It's really shocking. Yeah, for sure. For sure. But here's a theory for you. You know, Wiggins was not impressed with the lead out. He was like Uncle Rico today. If I was in my prime, I'd be riding off the
“front of this lead out when in the state for myself. But I think, really. But his son Ben Wiggins”
is a very, had a very good point. And he was a lead out man last year for Dylan Grunovagan, so he knows what he's talking about. That these breakaways, you view these breakaways as meaningless, right? There was a four-writer breakaway way, but they're cooking out there. And these breakaways can go so fast that the peloton had to do the fastest stage in Tourfront's history to catch them. And they caught them with under 10 kilometers to go. And they were given a lot to
catch them averaging 51k an hour. That's not so easy to do. Yeah. But I think these stages are getting so fast that there's not as much firepower left as you would think when you get to the final sponsor, it's an easy stage. I think today was the fastest stage in history of the Tourfront's 50-point-8-kilometers-per-hour, but it hasn't felt like a really super fast stage to the guys in my opinion.
Unless you're the one polling. Exactly. It doesn't feel amazing. Yeah, but if you think about
“its sponsor, I mean, okay, the peloton catches them, but that's how fast these guys have gone in the front.”
These three guys, you know what I mean? I know. They have to go like 52-53 kilometers an hour all the
Time.
you're on, can you imagine going that fast by yourself in their Tourfront stage? Who could imagine that? Well, today was the fastest day, 1999, everyone remembers stage 4, 1999, Chip Alenewins. That was the former fastest stage of the Tour, but at one point you held the record for the fastest Tourfront stage, stage 6, 1993, you win solo ahead of a chasing Chip Alenew and you averaged 49.4 kilometers an hour, pretty impressive. Yeah, yeah, I'm still, I'm still really impressed myself with that performance.
I mean, I could just take the time a little bit to tell you to tell the story because it was a very special day for me. I saw I won the stage. I think I did like the last 20k by myself escaping from a group that was breaking away from a chasing Peloton.
Back in the days, I do remember it was the beginning of the 11th sprockets. That was like the first
“year of the 11th sprockets. I was still riding with a 12th. I saw I was riding 50-12. I do remember that.”
No high profile wheels, like low profile wheels, the Mavic Dp4, whatever it was called. You know, no arrow, clothing, no arrow helmets. I had a cycling cap, backwards. That was my aerodynamic feature of the day. But it's especially for me, if people when people ask me, you know, what's your best memory that is by far my best memory of a victory? People saw that I say, oh, you know, the stage you wanted to go into the yellow jersey against
in the right note. This was the best memory ever because it was a personal promise I made to myself about six weeks before the Tour de France. My dad had died suddenly at 53 years old.
A riding his bike of a hard failure. And first, you know, it was a great shock for me.
And initially, you know, I couldn't think about riding the tour. So I actually gave up my spot. I said to my team director back then, my normal size, I said, you know, I can't train. I can't train. So I'm not going to make it to the Tour de France. And then after the funeral, I don't know what happened. Something clicked in my head. And I went out on a bike ride.
“And on that bike ride, I think I must have had like a”
imaginary conversation with my father. And I decided I was going to go to the tour and win a stage. And I had identified that stage before the Tour de France. I said, you know, okay, I need to do it in the first week because if it's after the time trial and after the first mountain stages, I have, I'm a Domestique for the leaders of Oncy. So I had to do it in the first week. And that particular stage was perfect. It was not flat. It was up and down.
And so I had everything calculated. And when I finally got in the final with those six or seven guys, I do remember, you want me to say it was one of the, my, it was on another team, but he was in the break away also. And I, I remember, I attacked on a slight little hill. And I looked back, I said, okay,
“they're going to see me at the finish. And I just rode in a state of trance”
to the finish. I can not, I cannot, I cannot understand how I did it. But it was the most pure felt effort. I've ever felt, it was super special. And turned out to be back then the fastest stage in the history of the Tour de France. So it's a very special, very special memory.
That's incredible. That's a great story. And yeah, Chip Alini was second. And he got to the finish line.
And didn't he say something to you at the end? Very awkward. Yeah. I mean, yeah, he, he, I mean, he didn't say it then. He said, you know, he, he passed the finish line. You know, it came all back together behind me. And so there was no race ready. We didn't have radios then. So Chip Alini was just coming back because the peloton had been broken in several pieces. He comes back with the sprints and then raises his arms. And the moment he raises his arms,
he sees me standing there, drinking from a water bottle. And he told me the story afterwards, like, it's everywhere afterwards. He said, I come there and I, and then I see you and he said, how the hell is this guy here? You know, like, he thought that I had probably like abandoned then I came by car and they dropped me off at the finish line. Which makes no sense, obviously. Like, oh, of course, your mind is not like in the right place. That's a really, really,
You know, it's a funny thought that what is second in realisation of like, oh...
I didn't win. That's impressive. I mean, that tells you how fast you're going because he was probably
“thinking there's nobody that could stay out in front of the sake of train going full speed.”
But wow, that's an incredible story, you're on. So we've just done the show now. Still still my best memory ever of the victory, you know, an honor of my father.
And that was your first tour of Wayne, right? Yeah, I'd never want to stage it in the tour of
France before. Yeah. And then nine, two years later, 95, you want another one? In 95. Yeah. Okay. And impressive stuff. That's yeah, that's a special, that special special win in memory. But just to clean up some odds and ends from today's stage, Jasper Phillips and was third, looked pretty good. And then was relegated. And then was unreligated. So we got reinstated. Yeah, reinstated. So how it leaves us as Matt's putters since leading
the points classification. Little check, too, if you didn't watch it, beginning of the stage,
“it was kind of interesting instead of trying to hold it together. They let a four rider move”
go. And then they contested the fifth spot for the intermediate sprint from the peloton, but Phillips had actually got it. So maybe it was smart that they didn't control. So, yes, Phillips and then Germai, maybe would have gotten more points. But now, Pederson has a 45 point lead on Germai and a 62 point lead on Phillips and probably even if one of them wins tomorrow, it's probably still not endowed, right, because there's so many stages left.
I mean, it's going to be tight. I mean, it's going to be more interesting to watch, but I still think that Pederson with the stages we have afterwards that there's many opportunities where Pederson will either take the 25 points. If it's after a hard start, where the other guys won't be there. It was interesting to see, however, so that tells me that, Alpacin and Phillips, and they do somehow still have the ambition for the Green Jersey,
because I saw an interview of Christ of Rotholft after the finish, and so he went to protest, and he went in the commissars van or truck whatever to review the images, and then he came out,
and he said, you know, finally they decide that it's, and it's better for everybody. So,
I mean, if they would be completely without interest for the Green Jersey, you know, if you don't win the stage, then it doesn't really matter, you know, yeah, you wouldn't, you wouldn't go through all the, those hassles to go and protest. So, they still must have hopes for that, but Spencer, I just want to come back on the, the four rider breakaway that went from the beginning. So it was, I mean, the most notable rider in there was
Julien Alafilippe, I mean, I was thinking, wow, how far has it come that a guy like Julien Alafilippe,
“who, no double-world champion, almost won the Tour de France one year?”
Yeah, yeah, you know, has to go in an early breakaway on a flat stage that was already for me, like said, wow, this is a low point, but then I think we saw the absolute low point of Alafilippe's career, which is sad to see actually, he got dropped from those three guys on a one kilometer five percent climb. That was, I mean, there's something wrong with Alafilippe, that's not normal. You know, you could say, well, he's, is he sick, is he injured, you know, but then why would you
go in the break? If you're sick. So exactly. Exactly. It's strange, no? Very strange, because even if you say, even if Tour de César, we got to have somebody in this move, which even then, you're like, do we? Yeah. Why, Alafilippe? Yeah, it should not have Alafilippe. Yeah, exactly. What a bizarre, here, it gets even stranger, though, because A, he looks the same. He looks the, like, the same guy that almost went into the front. So messes with your head,
Sonic, he's overweight or anything. And then you're like, well, maybe he's just at a shape.
Well, he won GP Quebec last year with an amazing performance, like, like old Alafilippe, and then
gets even later, because at GP, Gippingen, Hippingen, the Swiss race. Yeah, yeah. He gets fifth, and that's a hard, hard race. Finishes right behind Tibones, Richard Carapaz, Alexander Vlasov, and Liam Slach, in that race. And, and he's within seconds of them. Yeah. So what is, like, it's not for you to me, what's going on? I read an interview of one of the, of the sport directors who said, you know, we don't know what's, what's wrong with him, everything looks fine,
The preparation went well.
in a race, and then doesn't seem to recover from it. Which, I have seen many times, you know,
he's been sometimes, like, super motivated, was aggressive, and not just in this tour, in last year's tour, in other races, he's a super motivated, goes in attacks. And then, he doesn't recover from that effort and gets dropped from the break away.
“Which, I think, of hand still gold when he blew the race up, and then, yeah, but you know,”
on a hilly terrain, you could say, yeah, but I mean, on a flat course, that with these guys, you know, it's like, that was strange. And then another thing Spencer, another rider who was in the break Nelson Oliveta, you know, veteran rider at Movistar, turned pro by the way with me with radio shock, many, many, many years away. As he related the evo, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's doing his 24th ground tour of his career. So for, for the moment, he did 23 ground tours, and he finished
all 23 ground tours. No way. Yes, yes, yes, he never abandoned finish everything in one of them.
Yeah, that's pretty impressive. Thomas Tughal, that's mentality right there. Geez, that is impressive. Wow. Yeah. Geez. And then, just another, so another stat for us before we go into tomorrow's stage, you mentioned this before the show, not clear to me if it's 60 or 61, you said it was Pogatro's 60th day in yellow. Well, to the during the stage during the stage, then you 61. Yeah, it'd be 61. Do you know how, that's a lot of villagers, by the way. Do you
know who has more than him in the history of the two of the fronts? He know has more, I know.
“He knows how it's like 70 something, I think. 75, that's correct. Okay. And I do know that”
Eddie Mark, Eddie Merck's has 111. I know that. 100. Oh, you know, I'm looking at a list that it takes away ones that are disputed, perhaps. But I also Lance Armstrong, I was wrong. He had 83. 83. Oh, okay. That's a lot. Geez. Yeah, geez, Lance, lead some jerseys for the rest of us. Yeah. But Eddie Merck, so this, my, my Tally says 96, and it says the years are that he wore it. We're 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75. That's right. That means he got 96 yellow jerseys in six years.
That's yeah. That whole, that means that he, to do that, what you would be wearing the yellow jersey in average of 16 stages at a 21 for every two of our six years. So, if people are complaining about pagachar, they should have watched Eddie Merck's because holy. I think I think I think, I mean, I would have to, I think Eddie Merck's actually
“one, one two of the fronts where he was in yellow from start to finish.”
You know, that would make sense because yeah, it's going to boost your average. It's like with pagachar, he had that zero where he, Navaya's beat him on stage one, but if he would have won that springy would have had the jersey start to finish. So that will boost your numbers a bit. But yeah, just shot, shot out Eddie Merck's guy was pretty good, pagachar's doing stuff, though, that that he is more of the jersey's now than Miguel Endering. That's wild.
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“we just have a few questions that people have written us. And if you want to ask a question right”
to [email protected] and I'll take a look at it and try to fit it into the show. This one I was saving this one, I'm glad I did. So we have a Norwegian riding in. He was pleased with the Lance George and Bradley talked about tour who shopped in the stage for analysis podcast today. My question for you guys, who has the better palm rays between Norwegian riders, tour who shopped or Alexander Christoff, tour has won 10 tour to front stages. I've not
fact checked these. I hope he's all right. Two tour to front pointsters. He's world championships, et cetera. Christoff has several tour to front stages. Four of them, two monuments, several classics, several classics that aren't monuments. Who is the better palm rays? Do you think of the Norwegian? I would want to say I would want to say himself because I think the green jersey and the world championships are better than then monuments. Monuments. Yeah. I probably normally
“disagree with that but Christoff has his flanders and Milassan Raimour, right? And he won?”
Yeah, that's pretty impressive. Yeah. I tour also has more than double the tour stages. So that counts or something. I would say who's off. I would say who's off. And one of those points jerseys was the most impressive points jersey I've ever seen. When he beat Mark Cavendish and he was having to go into the front group in mountain stages to get intermediate sprint points, that was kind of redefined what I thought was possible for a cyclist.
So in the world championships too, that's a big deal. And I don't know if we talked about this, but I was at like a, it was like an Easter egg hunt on Easter and you know, the people were like,
oh yeah, what race was today? I was like, it's tour flanders. It's a big race and they never heard of it
obviously. It's like, is it bigger than this year to tell you, but it hit me then when I was like, well, if you really think of best on best, there's not many days a year where it is. You have the Tour de France. You have the world championships. Flanders are Bay. Yeah. Yeah, for San Reino. Maybe there's not that many races. Flanders. We weighed bigger than Milassan Raimour. Oh yeah, I would put it up there with both championships for yeah, in terms of the best going at it. Question number two,
del Tor, I figured I didn't get the name of the person this is from, but shout out to you. You know who you are. There's an interesting question. Del Toro's been using the black Colnago climbing bike. And this is true on the more demanding stages this year during the tour and in previous races, it uses bike. However, yesterday, I did not notice this. His choice was the Y1RS, the Colnago arrow bike with regards to the bike. There's probably not much difference. But this choice says
something about his demeanor and approach of the stage where he was dropped in last time. I have
it thought on this, but I want your answer first. I just think I don't think it has anything to do with
I mean, you know, these guys switch easily from one back to another. You didn't, you didn't notice
It's Spencer because the Toro also has a black Y1RS arrow bike.
why you, why you didn't notice it. But, oh, when I saw all the other other UAE riders are on a white
bike, right? Except, oh, it's Pagatra and the black Colnago arrow. Pagatra is on a black one. Yeah, black Colnago looks awesome, by the way. Yeah. So yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with,
“I think it has a lot to do with personal preferences. First of all, I'm pretty sure that”
climbing bike, which is I think it's a bit different than the standard climbing bike. They almost don't use anymore now. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's also pretty fast. And I think it's just a personal preference, man. And then, you know, if they go, if they have stages like yesterday, for example, where they know that it's going to be 40, 41 kilometers per hour, they chose to choose the arrow bike. And I mean, just full disclosure, I've been riding to and
from the studio on the Y1 RS, which is the arrow bike. And I climb up a 11k long climb to get home. And it's, I think it climbs very well. Like it feels, you feel powerful in the climbing position. I think it's a great, I don't think there's any difference in how the bikes perform. But I do think it's kind of funny. He changed. Why changed bikes at this point of the tour?
Would Lance ever do that? I could never imagine him doing that. No, no, no, no, no, no.
I mean, initially, I mean, usually track was always providing us with, you know, new bikes, but especially new colors for the tour. They also always wanted to change the color of the bikes for the tour, right? And so obviously, you know, I never, back then, I never accepted that the bikes would be delivered just before the tour of France. I was, I was demanding that we had them for the doffy name. So because I wanted the guys to try to ride them and then the mechanics
could, you know, check and build the bikes. And then usually, there's a few adjustments. So but look, I mean, if you look, if you go back to, if you, if you go back to pictures of Lance's
first tour of France in 1999, he didn't even want to change bikes for the tour of France. He,
Lance, Lance Armstrong wrote the 1999 tour of France on the bike. He wrote the classics with. We had the traditional steel. I mean, the bike was heavy. It's super heavy. With the steel stem and stuff. And he didn't, he just didn't like the change. And so, so yeah, I mean, some people don't have a problem with it. It's also, I mean, nowadays it's different also, Spencer because, you know, I mean, look, first of all, if you already, if you have,
“you know, people sometimes talk about the tiny little details in the field, right?”
But there's not that much that can be different nowadays, especially with the integrated handlebars and cockpit. You know, there's nothing different there. You know, it's not like the handlebars are tiny bit in a different angle or it's just, it is just what it is, you know, there's not that you can't change anything there. It's just your, your break labor set has to be in the same position. And that's it, right? Yeah. So yeah. So, and I mean, that makes things a bit more standard.
I would say then, then back in the days where there was more moving parts. That's, that's very true. It's a ways you're to match a handlebar. Yeah, I do not call an ago. I heard heard from sources inside the company. They're thrilled that the Del Toro rides it. I think it's called the V5 RS. It's a new, they showed it to me in the options season. They were very proud of it. It's a climbing bike that's also very arrow. When you see it side by side with the old bike,
they don't really ride anymore. It is significantly more narrow. And I was thinking like, I don't know if I'm just going to ride this thing. Like you guys might not have a rider on this. But good for you for making it. And then Del Toro suddenly is riding it. I kind of wonder if,
“like, what when I'm behind the scenes there, maybe Del Toro just likes it though. And that's why it”
rides it. But I know that they were thrilled that he was on this bike and the Pagotchers on the other bike. They have representation of both bikes. Yeah. I think that was actually one of the reasons why there was this whole confusion there on stage, too, with the bikes. Because he was on that bike. And then he wanted to backer something. Yeah. And it was something there. Because for some reason he wanted the bike that was on car number two, another car number one. Yes. For some reason
was not the right bike. Yeah. But I just didn't. And he used it in Dolphine to win the Dolphine. Yeah. He looked right on it. And it worked well. That's why I thought it was weird that he changed. That's kind of odd. I don't. Who knows why. Maybe he said Taday looks pretty fast on that.
Maybe I'll try it.
Like, well, he kind of had a bad day on the hardest day of the tour right after a rest day in his
first tour of France. Not so shocking that would happen. But one more question before we get to
the preview. Is it him? Debbie? She says, does anyone have insight into Taday's physiological stats that contribute to his dominance and cycling back in Lance's day? I recall hearing about VO2. His VO2 max is off the charts. We did hear a lot about VO2 max back in the day. Compared to his peers, there must be some genetic reasons that contribute to Taday's success. Why does this body respond so well to training? And then she says in 2005, I cycled up the
“Cold Alameda lender in the tour to have a roadside seat at the top. I'll never forget the thrill”
of seeing Lance and George Cruz buy. I actually, I went back and listened to Pagotcher's 2020 Winner's press conference at the tour. And he said, I want to thank my parents for my genes. So definitely he has genetic superiority. And there was a doctor, a doctor in the studio the other day, who said that Taday's VO2 max was around 95, which is good. And he's also real light and puts out a lot of power, which that's a great combination to have.
I don't 95 is high in my opinion, plus maximum of. I mean, I think it's high. I've seen some reports of people who have more VO2 max, but first and foremost, you know, VO2 max is an important number, but it doesn't, it's not what makes or breaks you as, as a good bike rider. It's not a guarantee if you have a super high view to max, it's not a guarantee that you're going to be a great, well, a champion. Yeah. And if you look at these like the cyclists of the highest
year to max, oftentimes you've never heard of them. Yeah. So it is like not a great
representation. It's not a great predictor of someone being a good cyclist. No, no, no, I mean, I mean, I would assume that you have, there's a certain, there's a certain level you have. I mean, you need, there's a minimum, right? I mean, I think you have where you're free to acquire here.
“To be, to be like a really, really good rider, you have to be at least 80 plus, you know, you have to be”
ever made. But, but from there on, there's a lot of other factors to be taken into consideration. And, you know, it's not just that number alone that's going to make you a big, uh, a big champion. Probably the boring thing is I would guess he's very efficient on the bike. And he has great motto, great motto, Andrea. Like no, because it just helps you prepare genetically.
There's obviously something genetically that is off the charge Spencer. There's no there's no
question about that. But, uh, yeah, I mean, and then he's, he's a racer man. He races in a way. I think Bugachas, one of those guys who actually also supersedes himself in competition. Uh, like he just likes the race and then the competition just brings him to a different level. Also. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's true. It also helps. There's something going on where, you know, because in cycling, everyone's doing work. Like you just have to assume work is being done.
And then whoever can do the work with the least amount of output, just even if it's a little bit, but then you multiply it by pedal stroke, pedal stroke, pedal stroke, pedal stroke, you know, you'll get to the final climb and you'll say, "Why is everyone going so slow?" I mean, it's active them and drop them because you haven't been working as hard and your body processes everything easier than everybody else. So it's, it's, it's, the people don't really think about it, but that is
“hugely important. And why you can't just line up and do a 20 minute power test and say this person's”
going to be the best. But stage 12 tomorrow, 179.1 kilometers long. Hot ish, we're in the 80s, though, we're getting a little bit cooler weather with a chance of rain. So that could complicate things. But it's, it's harder than today's stage. There's three categorized climbs. There's this intermediate sprint point 45k into the stage, which will complicate things. The final climb is 2.5k long, 4% average and it is 20 kilometers from the finish. I tend to think this will be a bunch
sprint, but I'll list the odds. And if you do want to bet on it, be a partnership with next bets. So go to nxtbets.com/betoutcomes, they'll show you how to bet. Where to bet? They, they shop the odds for you. So you don't have to do that yourself. You can just search on there, little, they have like a little wizard on there and it will show you where to get the best price on everything. But right now, Timmerler is the favorite at minus 105, Olaf Coi plus 350, Jasper Phillips and plus 500,
Soren Varenschkull plus 1200, Max Cantor plus 1600, Benjum, Germy plus 1600, Holy smokes, Benjum, Matthew Vanderpool plus 3000, Matt's better than plus 3000, Philippo Ganna plus 5000. How do you think this is going to play out? You're on and who's going to win it? It looks like a bunch of Prince Spencer, although it is not a super easy stage. It has 1800 meters of elevation. So it's not flat,
I mean, it is one of the very, very lost opportunities for the sprinters for ...
all the other stages. There might be the last period. Some of them can be a bunch
sprint, but there's no more guarantee. If the teams here go for it, the sprint teams, it's a bunch sprint. So I have to go to, I have to go for Timmerler, especially after today, you know, he got,
“I don't know if he got boxed in or maybe because he, he's not in top 10, no?”
Yeah, I couldn't even really see him in the end. Timmerler finished 15th. So some sort of catastrophic boxing in. Yeah, there must have been something there. So I can see him tomorrow bounce back in and win it. Yeah. I'm going to pick, yes, for Philips and plus 500. He looked pretty
good today. He's getting better. And Timmerler is a great spinner. Not great third week,
second and third week, and a great tour. That's true. That's true. Yeah. That means the thing is Philips got to be by Olaf Koy today, but I'm still picking Philips and Koy could win. I'm acknowledging that, but I thought, I thought Philips and looked a little bit more like his old self today, just at the intermediate point. Last time the Tour de France finished here in Shalom Su-San was a bunch of it also won by Dylan Groenevagan. Really? I think it was still, I think it was still, the team
was still called Lotto Jumbo then. Wow. Wow. Those are the days. It's kind of Lotto Jumbo or Jumbo Visma. It has been Jumbo Visma for, yeah, Jumbo Visma, I think. It's a beautiful part of France, kind of in between Dijon and Geneva. Very, it's like a rural, beautiful, good cycling, good sprint stages apparently. But anything else, I don't think there's going to be an EGC action tomorrow. No, I think it's another tuck in and stay safe day for the G.C.
Containers. Yeah. Anything else you want before we take off? Ventem Triviano. Ventem Trivia indeed. Lance almost forgot it on the move. I almost forgot it here. All right. So
“this is the question for yesterday. And if you want to answer the question, do not email me. Go to”
Ventem Trivia. Sorry, Ventemracin.com/themove and put your answer in there. Every day you can answer and if you answer correctly, you'll be entered to win $5,000 toward a Ventem bike, click an NS1 or a GS1. And if you just want to get one now, you can use the move 10 for 10% off a brand new bike. Ventemracin.com/themove. Yesterday's question was in the 2003 edition of the race. It was Bastille Day. Some iconic moment occurred finishing into gap. What was it? And I think we all know
it. It was Lance Armstrong riding across the field, cyclic cross style to avoid a crash, which was Josebo Belaki who looked amazing in that tour, by the way, crashing right in front of him. And then Lance wrote through this field, still the most impressive part of that to me on is him jumping over the ditch onto the road as the riders were coming in and then like remounting without misnabby. Yeah. In cyclic. That was Gary. That was Gary. Yeah. That's yeah. But Beloki's
career finished there on that in that crash. He's never never. I mean, he's was never the same. He
raised again. But he was, yeah, really, really, I mean, not at the level anymore of being competitive. Yeah, unfortunately. And he was flying flying that year. But today's question is stages like today. And tomorrow our sprinters best friend, the best friend of all time, Mark
“Cavendish holds the record for two to front stage wins. How many stages did he win over his career?”
People on the guys on the show were saying this was easy. I don't know if the average person knows this off the top of the head. Yeah. I mean, I think for the average listener of the move, this is going to be very easy. Yeah. We'll see. I mean, people can just look at it. He very easy to look up and say, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. I think I got to because he was he was stuck close to this number for a long time. Yeah. And I mean, tied the number and then he surpassed the number kind of
couple of years later. And so that is the only confusing part. But that's the victim. If you want to answer goodventumraising.com slash the move, but you don't have anything else before we take off. That's it, Spencer. All right. Well, thank you so much. And we'll be back tomorrow to talk about a likely sprint and then a super interesting day on stage 13. I am really curious to see how you think that was going to play out. Okay, Spencer. Thanks. All right. Bye.
