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And at some point you realize that it's not enough. They're not doing enough.

“Let me just tell you the next step from here. That's not 1 a.m. or 3.30 a.m.”

The next step from here is the writers are obligated to stay in a local rehab facility, a local jail. We will control them and stare at them 24/7. And that is that would be 100% of that. That's the next step from here. So if you, if everybody's cool with that, well then I have added. But that's that's next. And we are back welcome back to the move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong joined by So Bradley Wiggins.

Sir Georgine Kappie and the professor Spencer Martin today is a big day. Today the root canal. So George it's been great having you this year. Yeah. Thank you. We got the substitution all sorted out. Probably won't be able to talk tomorrow. We are talking about stage 16. Boy, I mean, flying flying. It's almost over. Time flies.

What happened today? Stage 16 from Aviolibau to toonolibau from Aviolibau to toonolibau. Perfect. Perfect. Rimco, Ganapu. I mean fantastic. Two stages in a row. Spencer you sort of floated this while we were

watching. I never thought about it this way, but it's worth a discussion. You said is

Rimco the greatest time trialist ever. Now, I guess that you were basing that on what three world championships and Olympic gold seemingly undefeated and just how it yeah unstoppably is head to head. I guess relative dominance of the rest of the field three world championships and counting you would assume. So if like, you know, Kenshler 14. If he gets five, six

“world championships, that's yeah, but you have to remember that the world time trial title only came”

into existence in 1994. So they're like some Greg Lamond, Miguel and Drain didn't get to compete in multiple world championships. The Olympic title only became open to the professionals in 96. So in Drain won that. So we're talking about a fairly new discipline in terms of world titles and Olympic titles. And you go back to the likes of Jack on Katill who was dominant in time trial and Eddie Merck's dominant in time trial and we're we're not seeing the full picture,

but Rimco you have to say is is the best of his day and and we'll be up there with anyone in the past. Here's an unscientific way to think about. When's the last time you can remember him losing a time trial? It's actually hard to think of at the top of your head. Not only that, but a natural time trial specialist, but he's also got the powerhouse brand, my specialized behind him doing a lot of R&D on just himself as a rider like his individual position. I mean, they spend a lot of time in the

tunnel. I don't think the guys in the past had that much attention. Exactly. They're a bike supplier. It's very difficult to compare. Now he look at someone like Chris Bowman. He's almost identical to Rimco. If you look back at the prologue in a nearly 94, Bowman changed the game in terms of aerodynamics. He was way ahead of his time. So he's very difficult to compare based on the technical, it's available now. The aerodynamics and things like that. That said, you still got to

get through this course. I mean, you saw that like Lippewitz, poker chart one of the best bike cameras in the world almost crashed. I mean, he's got to have total composure, the pressure of the world on a Belgian national, what was a day or something like that, but I mean, and he still

pulls it off. So he's, I mean, having an incredible tour to France right now. It was super impressive.

One of the most, it's the latest time trial win he's had in a Grand Tour. And I'd say combined with the climbing performance on stage 15, it's the best I've ever seen Rimco, at least in a stage racing. And when we see like I get momentum, I look what he did at the Olympics. I mean, one of the time trial wrote away from everybody in the road race. And now he's got that momentum, two stage wins back to back, heading into a hard final week. He's looking good. I mean, I feel like

Red Bull and Boris got really happy with where there's... And you left one thing out. You touched

“on Lippewitz crashing and crashing out of the tour. I mean, I think that's a big deal for Rimco.”

And I don't even, I still don't understand that. Or maybe I do. But these are two in a row, his, his, the internal threat, whether, whether or not he was named the leader, whatever,

in second. Right. He is a long ways behind, poker char. And he think it happened. We saw a

poke. He poked he didn't just slip a wheel. He slipped both wheels on the same corner that Lippewitz got. Yeah, that was going on. Yeah, that was, I mean, we're watching this going. Whoa, whoa, whoa, there's no need. And even he said it in his post racing review that that he knew that he was far enough behind Rimco. No reason to take risk just right conservatively. None of the less still. I mean, I thought the course was questionable. At best. Absolutely questionable.

Thoughts on that. We can get into later. But Rimco four and a half minutes down, Del Toro sitting in third, 651 down. So he's got a comfortable lead. He's got the momentum. He's one, two stages in a row.

“I think three or four days ago, we would have said he's going to lose 10 minutes, one of these days.”

I now don't think that happens. Yeah. I mean, back to your point, I know you guys were

questioning the course. I kind of like person I like that. I mean, yes, the time trial is about holding that power, having the most aerodynamic position, but also getting around these corners. It makes it to me a bit more exciting, a bit more technical. You're at 190, 100 or 200 heart rate and you still have to have the composure to set up the perfect line in these technical corners. I think it makes it exciting. Yeah. And that, that isn't my issue. I don't know how,

you know, I get up really early and watch the stages. You might have bet you were probably slipping and getting ready for the root canal. I was up early. The early riders were having to navigate

through people that were crossing the course on the climb on the downhills. On the crosswalk. People

just, there was a crosswalk. They were letting people cross in front of the course. You imagine

“that in a car, I mean, obviously, if you want to cross the course and you want to manage”

spectators, which we have to have, it's great that they're there. But it's even better that we know how to manage them. That's either a tunnel or a bridge. You cannot go across the course with guys or look. I mean, they showed the motor behind RIMCO is going 96 kilometers an hour at one point downhill. Folks, for those who sit around driving an MPH, that's 60 miles an hour. You cannot have humans, spectators, fans, supporters crossing the actual course. That's crazy. That is crazy.

There almost is like a hypnosis to it, a race where people tend to cross right when the riders get close. I don't know what it is about it. But you'll see it like you'll see it happen, where they take a their weight weight they go right when the riders go. I don't think the average person understands how fast this Peloton goes. We've seen it and we've seen it in the past with people trying to take photos. What they're focused on is the lens of the phone. They're focused on the camera,

so that's not a true indication of depth. These guys are going fast, and it surprises people. Nonetheless, I thought if you just looked at the profile, you looked at the dynamics of the race, the nice climb at the start. I do like a technical run-in, but make those corners safe. I also think it falls on the riders too. I mean, we have to say these guys, and I know we were really, I'm sure you were too Bradley. It's one thing to know, of course,

and it's one thing to preview, of course. But when you do, I mean, you can do it at a time or two

“easy. But then in your brain, you have to identify, I say, okay, I just went around this corner”

at 20 kilometers an hour. In the race, I'm going to be going 40 kilometers an hour on, you know, whether it's one, two, or five different corners, you have to turn around and say, okay, now I'm going to take this at race speed. And so because that's a different video game. Yeah, for sure. And the problem with doing that is there's only a certain time within the day that you can see the course, what it's fully closed, and also where it's barriaged, where it's, you know,

so the corner that they were crashed on, well, two of what we're chatting nearly crashed on, but lip of its crash on, you were, he was going to the other side of a, of a central reservation, which is why it was so heavily padded and, you know, so things like that. If no matter how many times you preview it, if you preview it in open roads, you don't know which way they're going to barriaged, take that line. So it's very, very difficult. Tadda actually said, need post-rac interview

that the corner that he wants to look at, we're lip of its crash. He couldn't see properly because there was organization cars on that corner. So when he came to the corner, he didn't realize that this was challenging as it was. But at the same time, it's also the director's response building to see, he's like, "Great, Katania was leading. He was in the hot sea. Obviously, he did a really good time. Like, they had a follow-car. It's their job to make notes of that corner.

they need to be reminding their top guys that constantly. I mean, this is how we would have

operated. I know this is the way you guys would have operated. The first rider that went through

there, even if he was guy number eight on the team, he's still going fast through that corner. And they see it. That is an APB. Right. That's an all-points bulletin where you immediately tell everybody, and constantly reminding these guys, hey, Florian, you are 500 meters from the corner.

“That corner. You know, let's talk about the move of the day. I think we're all going to,”

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So, really? Well, I mean, of course, the obvious one is Remcode. You know, he's the best in the world. You know, the level of expectation on him on a course like that, well, Champ, you know, in Big Chambers. It's an execute a ride like that in the way that he did with the pressure that's on him, of course, and a lot of itself, you know, put pressure on himself. Brilliant, right? But I also want to give a special mention to scale Moses. I think that's the best time Charlie's ever done. Yeah. By the way,

finished third on stage. Yeah. I mean, for you folks out there that bet, I mean, that would have been the bet. I mean, nobody saw that coming. However, right. Yeah. That's my ride, the move of the day with scale Moses. Fighting this whole last two weeks with the top ten and overall in G.C., you know,

didn't have one easy day comes out with an incredible ride and comes out of the rest day hot,

like, which indicates he's going to have a really good final week. He saw the look at the top. The race for second is still on, you know, and it's going to be one of the most exciting

“podium races we've seen in a long time. And I think it's, yeah, it's going to be good to watch.”

I'm going to, and when Spencer gives us his move of the day, I'm going to talk about some other races that are going to get exciting. I mean, just to Zack, I want to, I want to, I'm challenging Rymco at a great ride. Yep. Del Toro. I thought, huge ride that no one will talk about. Like people thought he was going to lose a lot of time to politics us. Holds that third position. That's huge for the white jersey. Yeah. Cody. And for that podium, 20 seconds now between the GC, we're going to talk

about a race. We're going to have this week. And how Saturday is going to manage that situation, the dynamic because he's obviously chasing the win with Rymco, Holly's tail if you're like, I know he's four and a half minutes down. But how much of that, how much is it going to have to help his team make trying to get on the podium? Because we saw, we saw that the first sort of bit so that the other day on that climb. Yeah. Yeah. We can't, we can't, we can't, this count, 19 year old

success. Still, the credit in there amongst the best guys in the world, two weeks into a five days together. It's a first grand tour. Yeah. I mean, he just continues to impress. Well, these are, this is what I was going to say. The three races, right, this is, this is going to be fun to watch this fight for the podium. And within that podium, right, the fight for second. Right. That's, if you're going to, if you had to agree to be on the podium, you'd rather be second than third.

So that's going to be interesting to the white jersey. These people, look, these races are interesting if the guys don't care. Paul Saceos and Isaac Del Toro, they care. I guess going to be a real race. So let's watch it unfold. And third, and this is one that I'm not sure that people care about. So I need some help from the team here. Team classification. Now, I'm not, I'm not sure if what I'm looking at on my screen is accurate. Little track only has a 23 second lead

over team UAE, which is not a lot after two and a half weeks. You got to go down 46 minutes to find the third place team. This is a two-team race. So does UAE care? Yeah. I would think as they had, they had guys ride hard today just for that. Like, feeling they do care? Grow sharpener. He should have sat up and taken it easy, right? Because he's got a lot of work to do the rest of the race. They had him ride hard specifically for the team. Yeah. Well, then, I mean, that's,

there's no doubt that. That can influence a race. Spencer spoke about it earlier. Like,

“how important is that for the team for guys like myself that have done tons of Toro Francis have”

helped you win Toro Francis. Like, to be on a podium with your teammates and Paris,

like, that is an amazing feeling and you're going to work your ass off the try to get that feeling.

Secondly, I want to point out like, how are the tactics going to change within UAE? Because this poker truck going to go all in to help Toro stay on the podium. Or is he going to get in to try to win stages? What has the big difference there? If Remco drops Del Toro, does Pagotcha go with Remco or stay with Del Toro? Yeah. I mean, that's going to make this race very dynamic. The last thing I'll bring her. I mean, it has to go with Remco. Well, it's in the

hole of Jersey. So now we're, I'll take you guys into my world into the newsroom. And this is beautiful. Because let's say he goes with Remco. Oh, he's a traitor. He was team. He left Del Toro.

cycling journalists. Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah. And we saw the stories ever. We saw two days ago

when he's on the radio. It was like, can I basically, can I go harder? And Del Toro is like,

no, don't drop me. Yeah. So how is that going to change the final week? I mean, he can drop me if he wants you. He probably can drop Remco if he wants you. He can go overseas or is he going to go all into Health Del Toro? This is going to change. Yeah. We don't know the answer, but it's

“going to change the tactics dramatically in the last week of the trial. What's he do? I think”

he just continues writing like he's done in the first two weeks and throws everything to the wind and goes himself and Del Toro can stay with Remco behind. Yeah, fun for yourself. That would be the most fun. And that kind of makes sense because Remco would be a de facto teammate for Del Toro,

because he'd never changes his pace, just stay on that guy's wheel, follow him in. But I don't know,

I have a bad feeling that Tad is going to not do a lot. I think, like right, just play defense unfortunately. Del Toro needs Taday to remain in that podium position. I think he really needs him. Just to go back to the team thing for a second, I have to say I am shocked at the performance of Team Nios. I'm here with the legacy, with the history. You know better than anybody, Bradley. Yeah, with the budget. We talked about this time trial. We talked about, now it's two weeks,

two plus weeks into the tour. Ghana would logically show some fatigue. This team is non-existent. This, they had a rider missed the start today. I mean, this is a 40 million dollar year budget with all the history, all the legacy, all the wins, sort of this Swiss precision. This is a team that is rudderless. I mean, if the tour ended today and we were handing out grades,

“pretty clear with the greatest. They did lose Oscar on lead coming into this race, didn't they?”

And he was their big transfer, win to transfer, big GC riders, sort of. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, he had a horrendous crash in the dolphin. So they had to rethink their strategy in a couple of weeks. Kevin Voclan, seventh last year, I believe, or eighth last year, he was sick coming into the race. Yeah. So, you know, got off to a bad start in the prologue with a puncture as well as being sick. And so they've, they've kind of been a team without a cause, really, since then, burnout

is drafted in at the last minute to replace. On lead, of course, he did the giro. So it's it's been challenging for them. But one thing we did say was a team that size, you know, a team with that bigger budget, the team with that many riders. It seems funny that they were scrapling around at the last minute for a replacement. Yeah. Having lost. Also, the best rider at this race is time and on. Yeah, which did this year. Yeah, he wants to say just lost. He didn't. Yeah. But that's

“that's what I was going to say, like he did the giro. Probably a little bit off in the beginning of”

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or go to Kennyon, K-I-N-E-O-N-I-O slash the move. And I realized we started talking, we kept talking, talking, talking, and I forgot to take care of business. It's a question for Colton. Do we need to go for our two and thirty two or can we post a little bit? Oh yeah, I'm glad I'm not man now. Colton, we're going to blame Colton for all this. Oh, okay, let's do it at 22. Okay, unless we don't have anything to say. Well, I was going to ask you guys, why are the big time trial specialists not

“good on days like today? I think they're just exhausted. Yeah. Two and a half months. Yeah,”

there they go. I mean, did the Jero? I mean, typically today's course is really good for a guy like that, but they're just, they just must be crawling on their hands and needs. It's, yeah, no matter who knows what their season was like before, if you had done another grand tour, that takes it out of you. It's been two and a half weeks. It's been incredibly hot. This is a hard time trial too. You saw Remka. I mean, Remka just shoot up the road. Yeah. It's not, it's not like starting a world

championships on this course where you come in perfectly prepared and you're tapered and you're just ready to go right when they say go. I just think through, it's a funny day the time trial,

the tour, you know, it's, it's a very, it's a very long drawdown affair from the first guys that

are going off that are way down the GC to the last guys at, you know, it's four or five hours. So, you know, arriving at the start two hours before your start time, if you're way down on GC and going off, it's quite a casual affair, all the staff are kind of, and it doesn't, there's not that intensity and hype. I mean, we didn't see many people today with like the calling buckets and things that we saw at the start in Barcelona. It's almost a kind of trimmed down affair. We're

it's like, oh, God, I'm going to treat, do I go full gas on this one and am I going to be even a pull at the end who's really got something to race for? And so it does favor different people. Yeah, and you think probably 20% of that whole entire Peloton are actually going for it. Yeah. And think they may not have a chance to get a top 10. The rest of the guys just like, just get to the finish line, try to recover for the next days. And someone like Ghana will go through

the motions of the warm up in that and he'll go out there and go, I'll see how I feel. You know, once I'm out there, I'll know how I'm feeling, whether I'm on one or not, and often this far into a race, you don't know until you get out there. Yeah. Yeah. And he has no time checks. Yeah. Right. So he's out there

early, you know, going off one of the first guys. He's not able to compare himself to a guy like,

I mean, Rimco has Rimco and Pogi. They are in the best position. They know every time check and they know there's nobody really behind them. I mean, Rimco, Todd, I said it. He went through the first time check or the time check at the top of the climb and they told him you're 15 seconds down. What does that say? His brain can tell him two things go harder and try to make up 15 seconds in when the stage or hey, buddy, I got five minutes go easier. Be conservative. Do not hit the deck. Just get to the

finish line and get second in the time trial. Yeah. And then a lot of these guys would have had a nice mental rest day yesterday, not thinking about the time trial. And then today, they'll be thinking about

“tomorrow's days. We're just going straight up here with the star. You know, it's just that's what the”

tour of France does. Yeah. Well, we're going to talk about tomorrow's stage. We are now. Yep. We're going to take our 232 for our friends at Bicac. We'll be right back. And we are back. Before we get into talking about tomorrow's stage, the age 17 continues to be, I think, as there should be a lot of discussion about the situation with Todd A. Poga-Chargones being the guard, the two am, and the 5 am drug control tests in the middle of the night. Not on our rest day,

in the middle of the Bicac race. It continues to, the wheels continue to turn here. A lot of, a lot of talk, a lot of new information that apparently there was, um, there was an article that came out that said the testing agency had to go to a French federal judge and get sign off to be able to go do this. Now, that's kind of all we know or can read into it. It's been interesting. You know, there's, I think most people, even most people involved in the

sport were like, "No, this is crossing the line." And of course, this is cycling. So, right,

stone code fools for thinking that straight up. But it's just, you know, if I am walking through my

day, and I was, yeah, I was on a golf course yesterday in the middle of nowhere. If a caddy at a golf course in the middle of nowhere is asking me about this, because he heard about it or read about it. There's your answer. This is crazy. You, nobody would agree to this. Nobody. And Bradley, I'm seeing reporting that it was on Saturday. That's when they went to the judge.

“Okay. Okay. So, I would love to know what evidence, like they presented to that judge?”

Yeah. Yeah. What, I don't know. I guess fear the judge, though, it's low risk, because you're not the one getting woken up at two. So, yeah, sure. Test them at two. There's probably a low threshold

there out there. Be interesting too. No. Yes. And if, if, if, if that's your fight,

if anti-doping is your fight, and this is one of your solutions. And, and at some point, you realize that it's not enough. They're not doing enough. Let me just tell you the next step from here. That's not one AM or 330 AM. The next step from here is the writers are obligated to stay in a local rehab facility, a local jail. We will control them and stare at them 24/7. And that would, that is, that is, that would be 100% of that. That's the next step from here.

So, if you, if everybody's cool with that, well, then I have added it. But that's, that's next.

“And I think that's a good example. Obviously, an extreme one, but people are saying,”

oh, it's affected to test them at two. It's like, yeah, definitely. But at what cost? And where's the line here? Like someone sent me MBA players get tested four times a year, but two weeks notice. That's a little less. Yeah. That's a little less. I was going to say that. Like if you're going to do that, it has to be across all sports. Not just like, well, which would never happen. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That silence you here is exactly right.

It's called speechless. This is nuts. It is, yeah, George brings up a good point. Why is it just a cycling? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, we've, we've had the most history in that sense, but I mean, if it's an independent organization doing the testing, then why it just focus on one sport. And it should be all the sports. And clearly, the other sports

would never accept it or it wouldn't happen. Well, they're picking on a weekly and basically. Yeah.

Vulnerability. All right. On that note, let's talk about states. I tell you, it's just, it's just, it's crazy. Anyway, states 17. Let's look at it. This one, another strange one. Not really strange stage. Yeah. I'll tell you it's good for this guys that, that, that, for my favorite jersey, it's good for those guys. It's good for those guys that, whittles and we can all agree who the best climber in the races. But there's guys nipping at his heels for that

jersey competition. This is perfect for them. Yeah. Because they're going to be warming up. They're going to go from K-0, getting the brakes. You get a 4, 4, 3, 4 points right there. That's not much

“compared to that. No, but take these guys take them where they can get them. I think the stage”

is focused on like really breakaway, specialist stage. It's very hard to predict who's going to make it. But we know the guys that are riding well in this last part of the Tour de France, they're going to be there. The car about says all these guys going for a really complicated stage. I think it's going to be really exciting to watch. Interesting that sprint, how light is on in this day. Yeah. They've shifted them back here last week. We had two or three days where it was very early.

This is the teams could control it. Now they'll just have to play their cards. Try to get in the brakes. By the way, the point competition for my favorite jersey, Taddy Poguchar, who is the best climber in the race is leading us 70 points. Valentin Pepalntra has 45 points. He will be in the brake tomorrow. Yeah. He's stuck too. He's such a good sprinter for how light he is. By the way, two carapass. Carapass in a 39 point. He will also be in the brake tomorrow. But that all your

money on that, you know, well, Pederson. Captain America. With with Mad Spiders in front, probably. Yeah. Well, on that note, George, I also, I printed out the rest, all the detail and information with the rest of the stage went to the hot tub yesterday. As peak peeking ahead. Where are you going? What are the rest days, Spencer? Bon Appau.

Is this a sprint stage? No. No. No. It's a perfect stage for quinceum. Actually, it is. But he better play his cards right. No TV attack. And by the way, the TV is also at the finish line. Wait for that. This is a perfect stage for him. I'm going to say no comment on that one because

“I'm hype in your boy. I agree. But he goes with everything. I mean, and sometimes you have to”

to be able to make those moves. And even he's got to do not only try to make the brake way, but he's got to worry about his green jersey guy and Mad Spiders in and his overall guys. There's a lot of it's up that he is responsible for. But the last categorized climb is about 80K from the finish. You don't think helplessness can get together and pull that back. I mean, it's a great day for Vanderpool too. I don't know what he did in the TT today, but he can definitely be up there in the

breakways. One that hard breakway stage a couple last week. So they have a chance. I think it might be a bit too hard for Philipson. And it's about it's very rolling coming into the finish as well. So it definitely suits a guy like Vanderpool. I'm going down areas 96. Yeah, time trial.

Which he had an amazing time trial towards was he probably took it easy thinking about tomorrow stage.

So those guys come to the line. Vanderpool, Queen Simmons who's winning. Wait, is it the two of them or is there a group? There are two. Amongst 10 are they're just two. The problem. Not many people know this. Queen Simmons has got a really good sprint. No, he's very fast, but he's very fast. Very strong, long sprint. Obviously Vanderpool is one of the best in the world, and especially the race like tomorrow. But man, that would be a shame.

“I don't said that. You should say like, man, not many people know this, but he's really slow.”

That's actually terrible. Yeah, I think this is going to be the first stage. We see how

this manel race the rest of the tour as well. This is going to be the first stage that the handcuffs

are all for you. Exactly. You've got the likes of grape coosts. You're organising and they're attempt to pick up a stage in this last week. No. And they have, they have the riders as well. They have the riders and they have to get a stage. Yeah. They went all in on the vinegar bucket. Now they got to pivot and get his stage one. And they have the one they're all in time for all, but yeah, even pick on Zoli. You know, he's, you did a good TT today. Yeah, probably

stage 18 or 19, 20 for pick and Zoli. But also, there's something like you're organising. This is this is great for him. Yeah. I mean, I just did take a peek ahead for stage 18. But that might actually you talk about subcoosts and you're organising guys like that. Stage 18 actually suits

“them. Yeah, a little better. But they also suits a lot of those. Yeah. No, how long it's been?”

It's an American one of stage. The tour. Yeah, we talked about this. Riley Wiggins, but set us. Right, set us. We're in one. And 20, 21. Yeah. It's been a while. Yeah. Need one. All right. Let's, let's take some colors. We'll take, we're going to do what, let's do two calls today. Line is still open. Give us a shout. Leave us a voice mail. Number 9707182736. 9707182736. Goatlin, who's on the line? Hey guys, Alan from New York,

long time. Listener question about Jonas's craft. Rogue furniture, I think made a huge difference. Can you comment on this case and in the past the lack of control for a definitive road furniture policy? Love the show. Thanks. Thank you. Well, I mean, there was a time where lots of these towns would take up the road furniture, take out, take out the furniture, retarmate the route for safe passage of the route. And it seems that they've got a wave from that, I agree. And I guess that is,

you know, the cost of it in these local towns and someone's got to pay for that. But it has more danger on the riders and the puddles on. Yeah. Yeah, who knows. I mean, it's hard to tell.

It looks like they were following the motorbike. The first three guys got around Jonas had to sort

of adjust on that last minute corner. They went to the left instead of the right. And like, who knows what was going on this had a lot of pressure. They need to stage when and just make mistakes. And he didn't sleep the night before. And he didn't sleep the night before. Somebody was banging on his door at 2 a.m. Now, I'm not going to, I'm not, I'm not going to stop talking about this. The other thing, maybe there's been additional footage of it. But when I was watching in the footage that was available,

it wasn't, they weren't really, there was some coverage of it. It was hard to see. So it's also hard to say. But I'm with you. I mean, I remember the day, I mean, let me just lay this out for you how this works, right? The tour creates the route. Every small town or village in France wants the race. They certainly want a start or a finish. But they'll do anything to have the race just come

starts and finishes. In the old days, yes, if you want to pay to have a finish, that's the marquee

ticket item for that day. Then they would. I mean, when you have seen it a little fairly recently, I mean, they will pay a road right down the middle of a big roundabout if it's close to the finish. And then after that, they'll go back and cover it up and put the flowers there and it's around about again. But it does seem to me that they're doing less and less while two things. One, there's more and more traffic for a road furniture than ever. It's like significantly more, even then when

I've had one. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the way municipalities control traffic and keep people in the lane that they're supposed to be in and in manage the flow. But there's just more more of it.

“And, and, but it's also, I'm with you. I think they're just doing less and less of this,”

sort of deconstructing and then eventually reconstructing this, this road furniture. Well, there was a time that they would retomit the whole of the time shelter. That's right. Yeah, fresh tommet. And then who would pay for that? Well, I guess it was part of the city. The city happening. It's part of the, if you're going to pay for the finish, then you should be prepared to pay for the repaving. But that was probably the cause of the crash of lip of it today. We

understand that it was quite a few ripple meetings. Exactly what I was going to say. Yes, I mean, people are going to watch this. And if they don't watch it closely, they're going to see all the white paint. We all know what the white paint means, especially if it's been dry. It is slicker. Certainly if it rains, it's like ice. But if you look closely, that road just had some wave to it. His, I think that it was just the uneven nature of that particular corner

that started his slide. Yeah. Guys, let's not forget, we're talking about European cycling. I mean, how many road furniture or splits in the pavement? Like, that's our lives. That's

“pro cycling. Like, you have to know what I mean. Always. I mean, always. I mean, I don't remember”

not having any road furniture. Remember the days when we started the tour in Holland with a thousand roundabouts of the road furniture everywhere. It's sort of like, they have a lot of safety measures. They have motorbikes ahead, flagging it down. I'm not going to say there's more or less right now.

But it's always been a part of the tour. I don't remember being different than that.

You're, you're both right and wrong. It has been a part of the tour. And if it's, I think everybody would agree that it's okay. If, if that 95% of the route, we have to navigate those things. That final five, 10%, where it's dangerous, where the speeds are high, where everything's on the line, this was Bradley's point. And I, I, I, I actually agree with it that in the past, they would make a, a big effort to go through and clean all that up and then reconstruct it. I just think they're not doing that anymore.

But in the past, would they do it? Where, where, how much 50, what was it? Fifty K, what was it? Fifty K to go before? No, Jonas is crash. Yeah, I see it. Maybe towards the finish, last five K, but I don't remember any changes, 100 K to go. Fifty K to go. Tounds are, if never been poured. Like, all, like, all over the Western world, these towns are broke. They've no money to do anything. And they're probably looking at ASO, like, you're making more money than ever. Why am I going to, we don't, like,

“we don't have enough taxpayer dollars to do basic services, why are we going to rip up a road?”

Well, the tour. Yeah, I can tell you where that discussion is going to end. Do you think the emphasis on, on bikes, tires, wheels, aerodynamics, and all this, the bikes outdate in the road surfaces now at times? Yeah. You know, it's not like a track or a velodrome where it's, you know, everything's pregnant proper. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But again, Thomas had a decent point. Who was making the race fast right there? Visma. Yeah. Why? Yeah. That's a decent question.

Yeah. Before he crashed, let's go back in our notes and our own personal notes that we were making about that stage, which we do each and every day. Before we wrote down Jonas crashed into out of the Twitter France, the note just on top of that was, why is Visma doing this? Yeah. That was the next note up. That was back in our day. That was unacceptable. If any of our guys that were pulling were taking risks in the corners, you and you'll want to be like,

what in the after you guys doing material? There's no, I'll be screwed for that. I'll be screaming.

Yeah. I'll never get George. I still, I still kind of hate him to this day because this

cold, uh, that was the cold aspect. Man, it was raining. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I don't really need to send. Yeah, I was up there. Yeah, Claude, Claude, go down downhill on the rain with his eyes closed. I was, I was just right, all breaks. Just please don't crash. George, just go flying by me. I can't even see him after 5k. I'm on the radio, litter. I've never screamed that loud in my life. What the fuck are you thinking? Get back here. I was terrified. I was such a man. I was okay.

I'd like fun. You brought, you give me a dry road, watch out. I'll go with anybody. Man, the second there's a drop. Yeah. The kid from Plano, just, I just, he just, probably why you're one,

That's when I was young. And, uh, you're fair point. I was young. I got older and, and I just, I got scared in the rain. Yeah, fair point. Yeah. All right. Wow. That was long and through the question, Alan. Very question. Thank you for going. Uh, number two. Guys, Navy Dolphins. I spent 13 years in Special Operations Community Lance. You

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That's my dog. And secondly, maybe in most importantly, thank you for your service. Yeah. And third, I kind of thought they were Navy Bluetooth. Not the same thing. Oh, like Navy, not as I read the fatty 15 thing. I'm like, Navy Dolphin. Yeah. That's not like a seal dolphin. That's a seal dolphin. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Because I capitalize Navy, you know, it's like, is that really for the Navy or is that the color of the dolphin? But this, well, we learned some

new every day on this show. Wow. That's a loyal listener. Breaking down the ads, too. That's it's got to be on YouTube. You know, like, special dolphins. Yeah. I'm kind of speechless. Yeah, but I'm glad you. So spatly called out. I've got any of those rolling around. Reclip for us. Well, Navy Dolphins. Yeah. May take a minute. Yeah, it's a George sin George. After his route canal today, we're going to send him over to see world. He'll be looking around. Excuse me.

Anybody got any Navy Dolphins? All right. And, oh, Bentham trivia. Shoot. All right. Bentham trivia today. Enter to win $5,000 towards, uh, buy cure choice? Could be like we prefer the GS1 or the NS1. These things are so sick. So fast. Handle great. Even in the rain. Yeah. Head on over to venthamraising.com/themove. All right. Sunday's question. The plateau to

Solacell made his debut as a tour finished age in 2015. We were talking about that. Never done it.

However, they did do it in the old Dolphini Librey. I'm just going to keep calling it Dolphini Librey. Yeah. That's it. Uh, so they did it. Basically as a, uh, my, I suspect is almost a preview. Since the tour has never done it, let's, uh, let's show the boys what this is like. Uh,

“the question was, who won that? Which promising young rider won there attacking 9K from the finish?”

The answer, Isaac Keltoro, who's featuring prominently in this tour. Two days question. Stay stick 16 as an individual time trial. The discipline that has decided many a tour. Sir Bradley Wiggins, one of the greatest time trials in history won the 2012

tour difference. And then went on to win Olympic gold in the time trial just days later.

What made that feat historically unique? What made that feat historically unique? Both of those guys, or that guy, ended up on the move. They got it. Yeah, Ben Dumracing dot com slash. Do you know the hits you shouldn't? I do know the answer. Okay, well don't say it's just a bit of a. I didn't know the answer until this morning. It's a bit of a lame stop based on what I said earlier. I didn't think about that. Yeah.

“Oh, I don't know it. Can you guys know after answer that question? What's that?”

Tomorrow he'll have to. Yeah. Yeah. I will do. Yeah. Cheering tomorrow for the answer. People. Not the explanation. Yeah. Is that it? That's it. It's a lot of Bradley. Are you sure you want to give us a gem? No. Oh yeah. I will say last day. We've had the real pleasure for the last two and a half weeks plus of having Ben Wiggins here. I got to say

one dad. Wonderful kid. I loved him the men I met. I met him years ago in my work. Yeah. And he just got in better and better. So he's taken off. Gotta go back home and get a couple go back to work. I'll say he's going back with an extra suitcase full of stud swag. Yeah, swag. I got him a rain. Oh, man. I'm a stand that you put all the sachets on. Yeah, you know, a flip flop and a real real shot of the real championship. Yeah. He's got a slow

championship. We'll watch them later. Yeah. Oh, we will be watching. Yeah. But nice work dad. Yeah. Ben, good having you around. All right. Everybody, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow morning.