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is that, you know, for once, Pogacha did not win, which is, you know, I mean, yes, I am Pogacha fan, but, you know, I know that somebody who's dominant and then doesn't win,

“that kind of gets to everybody, okay, finally, you know, finally somebody beats him, you know?”

Yeah, that's, yeah, that's all exciting. I, I, I almost like, from a per, like a perverted perspective, I was like, I just want to see Pogacha win every race he starts in 26, like I want to, like, how ridiculous can get this get, but you're right, it's nice that he didn't win, well, wins, great race. Everybody, welcome back to the move, plus I'm Spencer Martin, I'm here with Yo Han Bernille. We are going through the last week in professional cycling,

a little bit of low after Perry, Ruben, the exciting race on Sunday, Yo Han. We've had some stage racing at O Grand Commino with Adam Yates winning today on the stage for uphill finish, taking control of the GC. We had to bronze a peel, which was kind of the ceremonial shift from the cobbles to the pavement for the art in classics, one by a rider, frankly, that I don't know if I'd ever really seen win, Anders Folthager from Jaco, Alula, great to see them get

a win. We'll also talk a little bit about the tour of the bass country, which we didn't get a chance to talk about because Ruben was so exciting, as well as predicting Amstow Gold,

which is on Sunday, Yo Han, what do you want to talk about first? What have you been waiting

to talk about since we haven't spoken in a few days? Well, first of all, Spencer, the aftermath

“of Perry, Ruben, I think, you know, what I would like people to understand is what, what it meant”

for what one art, and what it has meant for the Belgian fans. It's been unbelievable, unbelievable. I've seen some numbers from the TV, the audience crazy, crazy, crazy, it looks like like all of Belgium has been watching and the newspapers, it was all world, world, everywhere. I mean, he was already the most popular writer, but this has a problem to another level, he's the king of Belgium right now, world, for an art. I think well deserved, you know, we were all waiting for this.

Again, I think he was, he was very strong, could say Pogato was maybe stronger, but Vanart was playing in a really smart, I think personally, I still believe that, you know, that Mati van der Poe was the strongest writer in the race, but, you know, Parituba is what it is, and it put him all of a sudden in a position where, you know, when you have two minutes of delay, after the Armberg Forest, that should be game over, and, you know, it was game over, but he

came really close, but anyways, you know, the Belgian fans, the Belgian media, have been all week talking and writing and broadcasting about World Vanart, and yeah, he's the most popular person in Belgium right now. Yeah, I'm actually glad you bring up Parituba. A few things I wanted to ask you about. I do agree, I think Van der Poe, the hot take is Riemko Evan of Poe,

right at the day of Flanders, like I was by himself first, like the last two hours, and then right

at the day at Flanders, Matthew Van der Poe, because that guy, it's, I'm a back and rewatched the race. I couldn't believe a how far back he was, be how much it would work and see how close he got. He almost won that race. Like he was closing down on them, and the end he actually kind of wonder if because Pagotja tries to drop Van der Poe, and Van der Poe, I was looking at some power numbers, Van der Poe had to do 1,300 watts seated on the cobbles to respond to that attack. You said in

his flimish interview, you could tell he was hurting to respond to that. It spooked him a little bit,

“so then he started that's why he was skipping turns because he wanted to go into the cobbles behind”

Pagotja. Probably a waste race winning decision right there because then Pagotja couldn't attack him. I couldn't surprise him on the cobble stones. I'm sure that was the plan. But maybe Pagotja drops him there. I wonder, does Van der Poe real him in? And because you have to imagine it helped to have Van der Poe there. Great win. Super impressive win. I would assume year made, right? Van Poe doesn't win another race for the rest of the year. He wants to win flangers in Ruben,

right? So he won part of Ruben now. That's definitely a big one. We don't know if he's ever going to win to the flangers. We don't know. As long as Pagotja keeps going for it, it seems unlikely.

Four flangers in a much harder race, but still, you never know. There's a very simple circumstances.

Not here made. I think definitely a huge weight of his shoulder, shoulders. He can be more relaxed

Vismo is a council more of an art to be the master of domestic, but with his own opportunities. And I think we're going to see a great well of an art for the rest of the season. Even, you know, he's even going to prepare fully for the world championships in Montréal, which I think is also a course that could suit him really well. We could say, again, logically, if everything goes okay, it's Pagotja, but, you know, Montréal

is not, it's a mix. It's a bit like Zurich. It's for climbers, but, you know, you could see, I mean, this is a wonderful dessert. And so, listen, definitely, definitely super happy for Walt,

“but I think this for his confidence is super important. And we're going to see much more of him”

and what remains for the sea of the season. Yeah, I mean, he should have won it. He should have won flangers in 2020. That would have been the easiest path before Pagotja started doing classics that

bike throw if he could have that back. I'm sure he'd do it differently. But you never know, right?

Like, what if Pagotja has a year where he's off? He's not at home. Yeah, like anything could happen. So, it's a kind of reminds me of Sagan. Like, he won one flangers, one Rubei. And that's like that career, that career makes. Obviously wins a lot outside of those spring classics. Yeah, great to see him win. Someone, like, I got a lot of inbound questions of why are they running puncture resistant tires? Why are they running these fast tires and puncturing? There's a lot

of flats on Sunday. I'm going to, I talked to some teams about this. You tell me if you agree or disagree. Really, the consensus is, okay, that sounds great from the keyboard. In reality, the the race is so fast. If you don't have fast rolling tires, you're out of the race before you even get to the part of the race where you might flat. Is that correct, you think? I think so. I think so. I'm trying to find you. Wait, let me just see. I have a message here from a team mechanic. Let me

see if I find it. Here we go. It's in Spanish, but, well, anyways, first of all, I think I think

“the speed, the speed definitely you have to have fast tires otherwise, you're screwing them in”

48.92 meters average. You know, if you have a tire that has more rolling resistance, there's nothing you can do. Imagine the first 100 kilometers, they did it when I was 50, that's about 54 kilometers average, I think. Yeah. That's fast, by the way. That's pretty fast. That's crazy, crazy. Yeah. But so, a lot of people say that it's also because of the lower tire pressure, and actually, I mean, this mechanic here, who was on all of my teams and is now with another team,

me see what he says. He says, I don't think it's actually punctures, real punctures, because most of them don't have an intertube. Only one team this year had an intertube. But they're so low in pressure, entire pressure, that sometimes on the cobblestones, they kind of

“I would say, they are good. Yeah. The air gets out and then, you know, so they lose a lot of air.”

It's not really flat, but they all of a sudden lose a lot of air, and it's, it's like a flat. He thinks, in 80% of the cases, that's the case. So this comes from within the Peloton of a mechanic who I, there's not many, there's not many mechanics in the pro Peloton right now has that much experience as this guy. So that could be, I mean, if you think about it, it kind of makes sense. If you have low tire pressure, wide tires, the impact, all of a sudden, you know, the air can escape. Yeah. I don't know how many,

this is another thing we don't know. We don't know how many teams, but I assume there's still quite some who have these hopeless rims, which is, I'm really not a fan of that, but obviously, it doesn't hold the tire in place as a rim with a hook or some, some who have no mini hooks.

But like the hopeless rims, it's basically just the tire pressure that keeps the tire,

yeah, stick to the walls of the rim, right? No, I can't stand hookless rims. They do it because it's cheaper to make because you can form the carbon without, when you put the hooks on the carbon, sometimes you get imperfections, you got to throw the wheel away, do it again. It's not great though. I heard, I even heard some

Well, no, I know, I mean, no, I don't think, I don't think that's, I think they were

gluing the side walls to kind of prevent, like, really cuts or something. I don't know if you can glue a tire to the rim, I don't know if you can do that. I don't know. I would try, it actually freaks me out riding hookless because if you flat, you see, you used to see it more at Rebay, actually. If flat, then they're just like the tires exploding off the rim, not a great place to be. Yo, and if only there was a technology where you could glue the tire

directly onto the rim. And you wouldn't have to worry about that. It exists. It's in the top. I thought they did it for like a hundred years. They've been some reasonably stopped doing it. But someone else, I mean, I, I'm on these fast rolling tires on the UAE team bike, and I'm not in shape at all. And I went on a ride with some ex pros and pros the other day. You cannot believe how fast you're rolling on these tires. It's shocking. So I can imagine whether the tires

is it continental? That's the county TT tires. Okay. Yeah, that's a fast. Yeah. But these, these are, I mean, you can't punch you quite easily. Well, yeah, as you and I are aware, but these fast,

“remember that you're riding the archetypes and yeah, I have five punches in four days”

in on the Costa Blanca. Yeah, I've gone. No, yeah, for personal consumption, I would not recommend doing this. But I think if it's 54k an hour, you gotta be on super fast tires. You're not going to make it to the cobblestones if you're not on them. Someone else asked, why is Rubes so hard to recover from? Like we have Amstil Gold coming up on Sunday. There's almost no crossover between the start list. We saw Pagotcha probably had the worst race of his year last year at Amstil Gold. I think because of

Rubes, why, why is this? I mean, it's a hard race. And then I assume you're, you're just physically beat up and then your body's probably using muscles that isn't normally used. You're broken. I mean, after Pagotcha, these guys are broken. It's like, yeah, it's really hard. It's unlike any other race, you know, recover physically, like because you're tired, but on top of that, you know, you're all the vibration. It's, it's, yeah, you're the straight man. You need three, four days to

become back. And then in that week, you can't train properly. And on top of that, Amstil Gold, there's a whole different exercise, right? It's, it starts to be hilly. It's not super hilly, but it has nothing to do with Flanders and Rubes and definitely not with Rubes. So very, very rarely, have you seen somebody who does the cobblestones and then is a really good at Amstil Gold race.

“Almost never. I mean, I think, I think Pagotcha is the first one who won it.”

Yeah. I mean, I don't know, actually, if, you know what, I think Miss Sale, one, Amstil Gold race once in a sprint. If I'm not mistaken, I'm not sure. But I don't know if he did, that I think I think he won Amstil Gold race. I think Jan Ross, maybe didn't the same year, too. Yeah, Jan Ross, Jan Ross, like five or six times, the Amstil, because the back in the day that he used to call it the Amstil Gold race. But, you know, Amstil Gold race back then was

not of the prestige yet it has now. You know, it was a new classic and it was kind of, it was not at the same level in terms of, you know, recognition. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, if we stay with Amstil Gold race, I'm not sure, but I, I, I, I see the one with hold on a second.

I don't know if he did. He won it, 1994. Yeah, but did he win? Did he win, Rubey, and that same year, we will find out in one second. He did not, he definitely did not win. He was on Lotto, but he was on Lotto,

“I think, when he was he on Lotto still? No, he was on G Mape, G B M G. Yeah. Yeah, he did not win Rubey,”

but he won it. He definitely did the race, Rubey. He raised Rubey. I think one of the best recent doubles, I believe that maybe was last year that Vinark got fourth and fourth, fourth and Rubey, fourth. No, I mean, I guess, I got second and second, but yeah, I got you different. I mean, that's, to me that the fourth and fourth and second and second, people don't understand how crazy it is both of those guys did that. That's nuts. Was this what the few days between, you know, the race

and now, do you think this was the best race you've seen? Like, is this the best race of the year?

Or how are you ranking this, Rubey? I think so. I mean, it is, I mean, it was amazing too.

I flanders was great too, because you have the five best riders,

Although, although, you know, you don't, we knew, you know, quite, quite, I mean, we knew

“before the end of the race who was going to win, but, but it was still very nice, but I think,”

I think Rubey was, first of all, because there's always drama at Rubey, right? I mean,

and you never sure what's going to happen, even if you're the strongest guy, you can, you can puncher until, basically, the second last, I mean, you're not going to puncher on the last one, but it goes, that's, that's close to the development room there, but until the second last sector, you can puncher and then, you know, the way it happened, you know, like, the drama with, with, first with Pavlachar, then with Vandra Pool, vernard had punctures, beders and had punctures,

they all win, Bugana had punctures, and, you know, I, I would say, in terms of, in terms of suspense and excitement, for me, and it may be it's also because it's still fresh in the mind, but because

we don't sound remo's amazing too, but I'm going to pick Patti Dubé as the most exciting race

of the year so far. Yeah, I mean, people, people love, I love Wildbinar, he's my favorite writer, I think him winning, you know, makes it, it's fun, but it's funny to investigate why, why did that connect with people so much? Why is he such a pop to the writer? I mean, part of it, probably,

“I didn't realize this had to go back, the A broke his ankle this year, if you remember that”

had surgery on his ankle in 2026. Yeah. Yeah. And he's miss seven months out of the last three years with injury. So incredible story, he just seems like a nice guy, I guess people in press upon him because he's a nice guy. So he called to see a very talented writer. It's not like the little engine that could win this. Frankly, I kind of liked San Raymo more because it felt like it was, it builds into a crescendo versus Rubé, I was like, okay, let's fast forward

to the, the Velodron. I think on the, on the other hand, on the other hand, Spencer, what people also liked about Rubé is that, you know, for one Spogachar did not win, which is, you know, I mean, yes, I'm not a Spogachar fan, but, you know, I know that somebody who's dominant and then doesn't win, that kind of gets to everybody. Okay, finally, you know, finally, somebody beats him, you know?

“Yeah, that's, yeah, that's what's hiding. I, I, I, I, I almost like from a per, like a”

perverted perspective, I was like, I just want to see Kim Pagotra when every race he starts in 26, like I want to, like, how ridiculous can get this get, but you're right, it's nice that he didn't win about wins, great race. Other race happening that we just completely skipped over because Rubé, eclipse the sun. Paul, I'm going to try to say his name as he says it. I've listened

to this a million times. Paul, success wins except the tour of the best country. First,

or to give you the name, by the way, yeah, or to give you the name. It's interesting. I was wondering about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't sound like a French, doesn't look like a French name, it's got an accident, but first French writer, this is crazy, crazy, and Bradley Wiggins just kept repeating this every day of the tour de France because we couldn't believe it. First French writer to win a major one week, Stadrace, Stadrace. Stadrace. And two thousand seven seven, seven. That's

what was it, what did he win? Dolphiné. Yeah, yeah, 2007. Wow, that's 19 years ago, almost 20 years out. And they've had great riders since then, you know, Juliana Philippe, Tibopino, it's wild, that none of those guys won. One week's Stadrace, but he looked just to get people a brief overview of this. He was dominating the first few stages, running up the score, you could say, "Why is he taking this much time?" And then an interesting thing happened. So Tibopio, sorry, Tibopio's Hollandio Hansen,

is twin brother, is that it's twin, oh, there's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's, yeah, they were racing very well. So he is a terrible first today, so this is a lot of time. The last four stages, he gets in the breakaway, three of those stages with like a full suite of UNOX teammates, and they just start taking chunks of time, chunks of time. And the last day was miserable, like hard to overstate how miserable this was. And UNOX tends to ride pretty well in bad weather.

They stacked the breakaway. They're minutes ahead of Paul. But he, I mean, it was kind of an interesting thing. The 50 K left, Paul success just attacks, just leaves the GC group, we're like, well, I don't know if I would recommend that because now you're by yourself, she seemed, I wasn't extinct. And with guys who are incentivized to chase, right? Exactly exactly. That was a mistake, you know, I mean, he got caught, they could mean he initially went away, and that kind of

stacked stagnated a little bit. I was thinking, you know what, I mean, if that happens, and especially in their stage with cold and such bad weather, this could be fatal, you know, this could be like

he could easily stay with the other. I mean, the way he went away, was impressive.

“I mean, nobody could have had a chance to stay on his wheel. He just, you know,”

it was like he had two other gears, shows how good he is. But the first of all, he should not have

done that. And secondly, they should not have allowed him from the cart to do that. That makes serves for nothing. So for sense whatsoever. Now, and Johansson moves from 11th place over all to 3rd. Mrs. 2nd by 3 seconds, we were hammering foreign lipwits last show we did. But actually, the movie did by pulling with Paul Seychaz. He secured 2nd place because he wouldn't have, he needed that time over Johansson. The thing that I just, I don't know if I've ever seen a team do that

in a one week race. Like, okay, we had a bad first two days and just clawed their way back into in the third place. Super impressive. But shows why in a stage race, when you like, when you can, you got to take time because of success does not take that time. Early in the race, he potentially loses. He wins by two and a half minutes. He might not have had enough time to, you know,

to win basically. Yeah. Yeah. I was the strongest. He was on a level, Spencer. Nobody was close to him

in the bus country. You could see it already in the time trial. But then, you know, stage one, stage two. That was it. You know, what he did there was, was just okay. And everybody knew, okay, this is, this is the winner. On stage two, everybody had to count on it. The all his rivals knew, we already know who's winning the bus country. No matter what happens in the stages, you just, that you was just on a level. And then Andrew August wins the final stage with

this super impressive attack out of that front group with Johansson. His second big win of the year behind, if you remember all the way back at Valenciana, he won a stage sat on and then sprinted. Yeah, when that stage, he's, if it's funny, he's only 20, 20 years old. He said, this is just

“30 year professional. That's a tour. That's crazy. It's crazy. Essentially, went pro. I believe”

it was his first pro race, Perry, Rubé, and you would, I was just a first race, but he had,

he got called up last moment. He did a few races like two or three races. And then in his first year pro, 18 years old, he got called up last minute to do Parito Bay. And finished it. And I remember because that day, I had a group of guests from the US and last minute, his parents had flown over. And I think it was, I George actually asked if we had passes and space. So we took them with us in the van. And I was with them in the Velodrome waiting for him to arrive.

So he finished and then he got declared out of the time limits. Oh, let's take it. But he finished Parito Bay in his first, as an 18 year old. Wow. Hasn't breath. Yeah, I was impressive. Why? It's a little young to put someone. It was three years ago. I was 20, 24, Rubé. It's wild, early, he turned pro. I heard a crazy

“staff today that Peter Sagan's a winning time. And what was that? 20, 16? Something like that?”

I've been 50. We have been 50. Yeah, outside the time limit. Yeah. No, we're just hold on a second. We're going to so the winning. You know, Spencer, this and you can't compare time. Yeah, you can't really compare them. I listen, it was tailwinds the whole day. Right? So otherwise, you can't get those feeds, but still. Well, he was he was 58 minutes behind Ben Art. But it's also just shows you how fast the equipment is.

Like they are fine on this day. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen videos like little clips where you watch it and you say, okay, this is this is, you know, speed up. You know, it's like accelerated video. And it was not. It was real time. It's crazy. Well, it's like a quick break. And then we'll talk about the brunt appeal today. And then and still go on Sunday. Everybody, this episode is brought to you by Hims. You know, the moment when he catch your reflection and notice your

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Are you on, we are back. Before we talk about it, said we're going to talk about the classics. Just quick on O-Gran Camino. My takeaway here, just to shout out this guy, Julius Johansson, on UA wins the opening time trial. Really impressive, right? Like destroys everybody on the opening time trial. I was even really aware of him as a writer. He's not overly young, but it just shows you how many good writers there are out there. And then Carlos can all win stage two. Moves

start to get to win in a Spanish race, impressive. Moves start wins again on stage three, even Rameo. I don't know if you watch this stage yesterday, but I really impressive like dismantling of a front group stage. He's split the front, the front break away, the front group, into a group of three, they were rotating and tating through and he just kind of rode off the front. Some left a little gap and that was a big powerhouse, big powerhouse, even a big powerhouse.

One and one root to del Sol, if you remember this year. Yeah, pretty good here. He's having, but then

things got serious today. First Summit finish, Adam Yates says, all right, guys. All right, kids, sit

out. He wins. He destroys everybody. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, on Visma Lisa bike at second. I'll a Sondro Penarello gets third on NSN. It's kind of an interesting grouping. I've enjoyed watching these young J.C. writers that you don't normally see like at the front at the front. So, I thought that was interesting. Adam Yates is still good, surprise. He's 33 years old,

“but he's still a great stage. Norcargan, by the way, we spoke about him. I think a couple of years ago”

on the up and commercial. Until he turned pro, he was already on the development team of Visma, and he was combining world elite level, Nordic skiing with cycling crazy. I didn't know that. I don't even, I even think he was world champion, juniors Nordic skiing, but I'm not sure. But he was a high, high level Nordic skier, which, you know, is very compatible with cycling,

by the way, but, yeah, a big talent. Big talent, doing well. All the Sondro Penarello, always nice to

see a good, a nice young Italian writer. What up, 22 years old? The nice name to be a bike writer. I know they've got to get 'em on Q36.5. It's right there. And then today at DeBronza Peel, which is kind of a warm-up race to Amstogold, this Norwegian invasion. Now, I guess he's Danish. It's crazy too that there's a team specifically dedicated to getting those writers, and then there's so many good writers in those countries on other teams. So, Jaco Alula gets a

big win, you'd say. How did you hear that? The rumor, too, Jerry Ryan's leaving the sport. So, the pressure's playing on. Like they're, they're in the shop window, really. But he gets the

we're both in the breakaway. They got caught inside the last kilometer, I believe. So, yeah, third and

fourth in the sport, I couldn't believe it was them up there. It was a slow sprint uphill, but still, yeah, there must be, there must be very strong. In those two names, we're going to talk about Amstogold racing a bit, but yeah, yeah, let's note those two names Cosnefra and Greigwar. Yeah, they're going to be after in the final of Amstogold race. And Quentin Hermann's maybe also. Yeah, yes, actually, but that was very interesting to me. He popped up there. Oh, I forgot to mention

this on Bass Country, but you're at a Euro Sports Spain report comes out a little bit of a wedge opening between that a Catholic team and their their Star Rider Paul success. So much so that the president, Macron has been, has like been drafted into the convince him to stay with the team, instead of going to a non-french team. Do you know that, and there's also a report here about what is a manager wants from a team per year? And I assume this is going to be a long contract

“minimum five years, fired a guess. What does try to guess what his agent wants previously?”

I mean, listen, I mean, it's Yona Lauca. I mean, I'm not specifically a fan of his way of managing riders, but I wouldn't be surprised. It's something crazy. I mean, I would say right now Paul say, "Sas, of course, you know, the value is also the potential," right? But if you look at the top salaries of Pugachar Yona's Remkul and so on, I would say whether he has done right now and the potential. And you know, and this would be on the high side, but I'm sure I'm going to

be below what Lauca is asking. I would say six million euros per year. It's lower than I,

I would have guessed 10. I think with the country he's from and how good he is, he might be the most, at least his future potential, the most marketable star and cycling. But it's 8 million euros a year. So let's say five years, that's a 40 million euro investment. Wow, it's too much. I mean,

“that's what Pugachar makes. That's, that's, that's, that's ridiculous. It's too much. Is it, is it too much,”

though? Like, because if he's, let's say he's just as, why would Spencer, why would it not be too much? If Pugachar makes 8 million in salary, how can you justify salary of 8 million for Paul Saisas? Well, this isn't, this is not this year. It would be for two years from now. What would be for 2021? Yeah. So it's he, see better than Pugachar in 2020. We'd be the question. I mean, he's not going to be better. He's not going to have one then what Pugachar has one when he

signed the 8 million contract. Yeah. But here. Yeah. Here's like the, here's the problem, though, because let's say a rider that's not nearly as those guys, good as those guys make 6 million a year. At a certain point, let's say you have a good rider that makes 6 million euros a year, you'd rather just be paying 8 million for the rider that's going to win the two to France. Like, there's no, we don't know. Spencer, if he's going to win it, you know, it looks like

it looks like it looks like he's on the good way, but hey, we've seen so many young riders, you know, like, in a case, some of them have one, one to the France, like when they were young.

Oh, you know, now he's going to win three or four or five, never wanted again.

“I'm not saying this is the case for Saisas, but I think it's really, really early days to talk”

to talk about that kind of contract. The thing is that obviously, Loka is not stupid. You know, he knows all the managers. He knows what's going on. He knows the, you know, the hunger for the next big thing, and he's going to play into that. Of course, and somebody's going to come up with a number goes to that, right? But, but I'm not excluding, I'm not excluding that, that kind of one can make that offer. They, they are a big company, the second responseer,

what is it, CMOS? Yeah, we can never get it right. They need to spend more money because we don't another name. They, they, they have, they have five times the money of Decathlon as a, as a business. It's, it's a matter of just, you know, having one guy decide, okay, you know what, Blanco check, let's just spend whatever we need to spend to keep this guy. And this is what's going to happen. I mean, if the rumors are true, I don't know if it's true or not, but, you know,

they're looking to move from France to Switzerland to register the company that owns the team in Switzerland in order to be able to compete with all the other teams because that's another thing. If you're in a French team, the team needs to spend 50% more, if not more, to be a competitive

competitive, they, they have to get out of the French jurisdiction. It's an easy thing to do. You can register as a company in another country. That's where the license is, even if you're sponsors of French, but, you know, I think for the moment, Decathlon is still in a good position. They have the means, they have the resources. Now, I was, I was actually talking to my son about this today in the car because, you know, he follows the juniors and the young riders. You know,

so, I assume, one of the candidates, and they've actually been public about it already,

is would be UAE, right? They would want both, say, just for when the car ultimately decides

to stop. We don't know how long the car has a contract till 2030? Yeah, 2030. Yeah. So, let's hate this idea, by the way. Well, let's assume that the car

“goes full gas till 2028 until the Olympics, which I think that's what's going to happen.”

Now, UAE is in the mix, you know, in manned air smart. So, both say Shas has a younger brother. The race is juniors. I don't, I forgot his, is it Nino or Nuno? Say Shas. Nino, I thought, could be Nuno, though. I think, okay, no. Okay. Guess where Nino says Shas was this winter. He was at the UAE team training camp. He was at the training camp with the development, for example. He was the normal model. I don't know, he's not part of the development team yet,

no, but because, oh, he's because he's, I think, I guess he's junior or under 23, I don't remember. No, he, he must be junior if he's younger. He's about to get out of the junior. But so, wait, I'm looking at this guy. So he's only 17 years old, but he's, he's on like a a you 19 club. It's not okay. So so anyways, if he's in the juniors, right, he's a junior now, right, junior 19. Okay. So then the question is, why is Nuno, is it Nino or Nuno?

Okay, why is Nuno? Okay. Why is Nuno? They just knocked on the junior team of Decathlon. That's a good question. I was, well, Oscar won a, apparently is Agent, say, say, we got a figure out to say this guy's name. Sex has his agent does not like the new management at the Catholic. And he was engaged with Vincent Lavigne, who was, yeah, for instance, pretty cleverly pushed out of that team. Yeah. So, you know, I wasn't going to knock. I was not,

that's Agent do are at some point as a cyclist. I don't remember now.

And just to give people, let's say UA, the, I'll just use the 8 million a year for five years,

“example. So that's 40 million. So that's what UA would have to pay. Decathlon would have to pay”

60 million for the same money. That's, that's how big of a disadvantage they're at. Yeah. But I guess, Johan, my, my thesis would be you can't afford. If you're the Catholic, you can't afford to miss out on this. Like, let's say you cheap out. You say 8 millions too much. He goes to UA and he wins five tours. You look like an idiot, right? Yeah. I mean, listen, I mean, that's, I think at some point, the thing, the thing that also

actually goes for, for Decathlon also is that they have improved tremendously as a team. And they will keep improving. You know, they are one of the super teams right now. You know, they have changed the whole, you know, all the staff, you know, they, they brought on board a lot of international people. I know, for example, it's, they can, they completely went away from the French, pure French identity. You know, for example, I remember, I remember speaking with

Mathieu Riccatello and the offseason are just after the Vuelta and he had signed with Decathlon. And he was specifically taught to not learn French because the meetings need to be an English.

“That's for him. That is unthinkable. I think it's wild. So, you know, they, in terms of equipment,”

they are top like the Von Rayselbeix Spencer is incredible, apparently. I mean, everybody who goes

from another team to that team and writes the Von Raysel says it's, it's incredible how fast these bikes are. So, you know, obviously, if he goes to UAE, he will also have, you know, the best equipment. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't know, but we're speculating that I would say,

I would say this. If the enthusiasm should not hinge on his tour, let's say he thinks the

“tour of France, you should still rate him as he is maybe the best prospect of ever seen.”

I've never seen anyone do this. For sure, right now, right now he is definitely the coming man.

But, man, it's so, it's so fragile, everything. It can change in a heartbeat. If he does, I mean, I think, if he doesn't tour, I think he will ride really well. But, if he doesn't, perception will change. You will see, it's a lot of pressure on the kid. You know, it's still a kid. It's the catathon going to overtrain him, send him to the tour, so he's staying. Lower the market value. You know that I, you know, when I can say Spencer, this is probably

one of the things that, I mean, I'm a bit skeptical because if I, I mean, it's just my impression from listening to his interviews. I think, and this is just my opinion, from the little information I have, just the gut feeling. I think that right now, on the gut loan, it's already Paul says, just calling the shots. It's already he's deciding on his program. He's decided on a team of tactics. And so, that's something that I don't know, that's good

or bad for his development. It may ultimately not matter because he's, because he's so talented. But it's something that I kind of, that's my takeaway, you know, seeing how he is a super confident and he should be super confident. But listen, he's the coming star, so let's see what happens. First of all, I'm going to UAE. I hate this because you know big champions. You know in 2028, Teddy Pickotters, not going to say I've done enough. Okay, Paul, it's your time. No, they're

going to clash. In fact, I'd a friend at Bass Country who was talking to Mr. Prima's Roglic after the stage of Floyd and Lippewitz as Pauline and Roglic was finding it hard to be in a position where he was not the team leader anymore. He was not very happy about that at all. So these guys, they're so competitive. They're not, there's not going to be some seamless transition between, he shouldn't go to the same team as we got you don't do that. Yeah, but this,

this blew my mind. Pablo Sivakov is going to the Catholic next year. Guess what he's getting paid per year at the Catholic. Is he already done deal? I mean, it's not, it's done, it's done deal. It's not a public, but it's a done deal. Pablo Sivakov.

1.5 million, it's pretty close. 2 million euros a year. For, I mean, that's a,

“that's a good writer, but that's why it's overpaid. It's overpaid. It's overpaid. It's”

you know, he's a great writer, but it's overpaid. You know, it's not. And would you say, is having a writer that potentially can win the tour four times the value of a Pavel Sivakov? Probably, right? Well, yeah, but I'm just saying it's overpaid. So if it does feel a lot, I'm not going to say it overpaid. I like to see people make a money. I support that person. It's made for Pavel Sivakov, but you don't meet, it doesn't last in money.

You know, I just think it's, you know, in any ways, if you know, if you hear these transfer

amounts of some of the writers, you know, 10 million for a year or so, six million for Oscar

Omni, it's, that's crazy. It does show you how expensive mountain support is, though. Yeah, because that must be roughly the market rate. Speaking of mountain source, mountain support in the Catholic, they got second and third behind Jordan Jagat at the Bessal dubs, race, is that? Mm-hmm, but also Bessal dubs. I'm really good right from both of those guys. Really good right from Jagat. He had since

last race of the year. He must have had a problem to get to see him back. He looked amazing on total energies. I assume he's not going to retire at the end of the year. So he's probably going to go to a different team. I would have to imagine. Yeah, he was, he was sent in the Deuteronuts last year. Yeah, crazy. Oh, yeah, good writer. Good writer. He's not going to have a problem to find a team. I mean, like FDG or Dekat Long or COVID-19. For sure, he can go there or even, you know,

why not UAE? For example. I mean, well, a lot of people took up gobler and Jordan Jagat. I mean,

“it's not, he's the moneyball version of Pables of a car, actually. Like that's what you should be”

going after. I mean, that's supposing that the total energies won't find a new sponsor. I mean, they may still be really go back to that. I feel like he's done everything he can at a team.

it's not easy to get French writers away from French teams. And there's their very little

“French writers when he French teams. Now, and usually when they do, they're very successful.”

This think about all these French writers to go to like Christophe de Port, you know, how does this career has been amazing since he left? I mean, I mean, I love total energies. They like operate out of a castle in northern France. I get the appeal. I would stay there too if I was French. So, you know, let's talk about Amstogold, 257 kilometers in the Lemberg region of the Netherlands and my right on that very hill. You think the Netherlands is flat. It's not flat.

It's incredibly, it's incredibly. It's the, if you look at the map Spencer, you will never see

a bigger labyrinth than the absolute. It's, it's crazy. You cannot, you cannot memorize the course as I said. You, you cannot, you cannot know where you are. It's, it's impossible. It's so you, it's left right, you know, it's, it's crazy. But it's a heart race. And yeah, it's, it's quite hilly. I mean, I don't know what the total elevation is, but it's like a guess if 100 meters. Over 3000 meters, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's all, I've never done it. It looks miserable. I would never

want to do this race. Because it, there's hills. They're all short, so you're over threshold for all of them pretty much. Yeah. And you're like turning into the hill. So you're never carrying speed. It's just, yeah, looks brutal. Over and over. Like you look, you try to count these categorized climbs that you can't even count them. It's, it's a lot of passing through neighborhoods also. Like, yeah, lots of, you're trying for the Netherlands. In particular, this advantage of, of the

Amsterdam gold race, and I've already spoken with, with the organizer. I mean, Lovavli,

is a good friend of mine who's been organizing. It's his last year. He just, it's his third year. He's

the race director. Now, for next year, all officially will be Tom Dimula, the race director of, of Amsterdam. To some reason, right? Yeah. But they do not have the authority for parked cars, not the other. Yeah. Um, of course. It's crazy. It's, it's unbelievable. Yeah. And you see that all over the Netherlands, every race there's parked cars. So the, there's the cobberg, which is like the big famous climb. It's not, but the stats don't blow you away. One

kilometer at six percent. But you had to remember the climbing all day. That tops out with a bat a kilometer to go, and then it's this flat to downhill, fun a kilometer. We get a lot of interesting sprints. Like last year, we had Matthias Gomez, an outsperning rim covenopole, and Taddy Pagotcha after Pagotcha was reeled in. This is, this, this, this year's field lacks the star power of last year's. If we're being honest, I would say we, we have narrowed down the top

contenders to Remko, I've been a poll. Quin Simmons, Mateo Jorgensen, Mateo Schelmoza, one is a gear, a Quentin Herman's, Benwarkausnefra, Roman Griguar. I would guess the winner comes out of that group. Who do you say, you say Mateo Jorgensen? Yeah. Sim, okay. Both

“Quin Simmons and Mateo Jorgensen for America. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you have”

you favorite is Remko, Spencer. He's, you know, I mean, Schelmoza won it last year. I don't know if Schelmoza is in the same condition as last year, he was hit at the bus country, he was like

up and down. He's not bad, and one of the races always different. But, you know, normally

Remko should be the heavy favorite. And, but of course, you know, if you're the heavy favorite, it's also not easy to win, because everybody's looking at you. And, um, I'm still gold race. As you say, the clans are short, so it is accessible to a big range of riders. But, if everything goes, okay, I think I predict Remko arriving solo for the win. I really liked Coznefra today and Griguar. Um, they were, um, re-strong. They were both in a breakaway. They were still

able to sprint. Coznefra has been second already, an obstacle race, losing very, very narrowly

“to, I think, Michael Piotrowski. Yeah, a few years ago. But, yeah, Remko needs to be the five-star”

favorite. And then below that, it's the name. She says, "Kelmoza, Coznefra, Simmons, Griguar, Jorgensen." He's Aguirre, did a great tour of the bike. Yeah, don't write is Aguirre off. He can win this race. I think about that. But, Remko, Remko's a, Remko's a level ahead of them, above them. Yeah, you would imagine he wins this perfect, perfect form. At first I thought he's unbeatable. But, then,

think about last year at Amsterdam Gold. Even if Piotr is not there, he doesn't win the race, because he told us. Yeah, last year, Amsterdam Gold race was the second year race of the season

And Amsterdam Gold, there was a second race only. Well, it's funny, you mentioned that,

“because I went back and watched that. But, Vonart's Appeal. And that was one of the most”

impressive Remko performances. I've ever seen, it was, he wrote, "Well, if I don't write up his wheel, I was going to just say, if he writes like that, he's going to win this race, because no one can hold his wheel. When he's that strong, and he's offers no draft." It's already extremely difficult to hold his wheel and enormous circumstances, Spencer, because, as you say, there's no draft. I mean, a guy like, like,

Vonart looked like a freaking monster behind Remko. It was so tiny. That was my, yeah, that was a fun little race. Yeah, let's see if Belgium can win two big races in a row. I would be good. I haven't found any odds on this, but if I do bet on this race, my wildcard might be Quinn Simmons. I could, yeah, I know he's been preparing specifically for this, and this, he can compete for the win with this start list.

If Remko was marked. Yeah. He did a really strong race in the bus country the day before, two days before the bus completed, the Grand Prix Miguel Inderine, and he was super strong there. He got smoked by Izagira in the final club. He was very strong. I saw him close a gap. Initially, he was not part of the winning move, and the way he breached up from the Peloton

“to the break away was impressive. So he's, I think he's in good shape.”

Yeah, and then don't forget Mattel Jorvinson. I mean, he's specifically preparing for the Ardensus here, not doing the cobblestone. Yeah, he didn't. He hasn't been racing lately. He's not been racing, but let me look it up. I shouldn't be able to remember this. He did a race and was good. It was

San Ramot, Terreno Adriatico. He was very good. Yeah, he was second. He was second. Yeah,

overall after falling and losing time on the second stage, I believe. So the last time we saw him, he was good, which is a good sign. He's been training specifically for this. We'll see how he goes. He's been on the stage. I'm assuming. I would, yeah, almost. I would question that's where he is. And yeah, it's, it's a Flander's classics race. I believe they acquired the race. It was

“independent for a long time. So that means it's on Flowbikes in the U.S. If you want to watch on Sunday,”

men's and women's are both on Sunday. Okay. All right. You'll be there. Anything else? We'll be back on Sunday to talk about this race. On the evening, we'll be back to recaptured on three cars. Rimcos when don't let us spoil it for you, but that's probably not happened.

But with Rimco, you never know. This could be the most exciting race we've ever seen. I've never

disappoints. I think his confidence after Flander's must be after two or Flander's must be through the roof. Yeah, you imagine. We know that Ramco, I mean, he didn't race today on purpose. You know, because it was too close to to, to I'm still going to race. We know that he can prepare really well without competition. So I'm just plus, you know, Red Bull, they have a very strong team. They're, they're really riding like a unit. So yeah, Ramcos, yeah, my candidate to win.

And then on Wednesday, the flesh will own Paul's success coming out. Then he's going to be there at the age. So it's, yeah, we're getting a new and exciting week, that's for sure. And thanks you, Han, and we'll be back on Sunday to break down and total. Okay, thanks, that's your. Okay, bye.