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That's what I take away from it.

“And I think he's better, we've said it already a number of times, but I do think he's better than last year.”

So everybody's going to have to step up their game for the tour. Everybody, welcome back to the move. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernille. We are breaking down the final weekend of the tour. The Swiss Tettipagachar continuing to dismantle his competition with Richard Caripass coming in seconds. Six minutes and 32 seconds down.

After five stages of race in Johan, meaning he put more than a minute into his competition every stage.

Matthias Vichek in third, it's 653 back Tobias Foss and fourth at 734.

Elon Van Wilder in fifth, 751 down will also go into a few other races like to a Belgium tour Slovenia and the national championship results with Queen Simons downmanating and the U.S. men's race, Johan, before we get into that, how are you doing? How's your drive back from Northern Spain when we last spoke to you? Yeah, good. I mean, better internet connection, that's for sure.

You know, last time we spoke, you could know what you could see me with the internet. I like the challenging conditions. But yeah, good, good, good. I had four days of a great, see great racing supporting my son at the World Tabasaya, made up with a few friends from the past. So yeah, it was a good, good four days over there. Yeah, and it's a high level race and I'm jealous. That's actually that, I'm thinking about that race. I said there's 180 starters and a junior

stage race, which would be, I can't I don't know if there's a single race for kids of that people of that age and the U.S. where you would do that, which shows you why you don't see a lot of great American writers taking over the sport, apparently. No, it was good and so hard. It's the hardest stage race in Spain, apparently. I mean, high level, you know, really all the best writers of Spain, plus a few, I'm Sudok,

“Quickstep was there with a team. They won three stages, I think. I think no, two stages, they won.”

And they were on the podium. So Benjamin Noval, junior one, son of X, a U.S. Postal writer, Benjamin Noval, who is miles ahead of everybody else. It's not even a competition.

He just does whatever you want. I think he won with over five minutes on the second writer.

Yeah, that was a really hard climb. The last stage, I think, about seven, eight kilometers, at nine percent, apparently, which is very unusual for junior racing, you know, I mean, that's not what they used to do. And also racing four days in a row is also something that they're not usually doing. So yeah, it was a good race, very well organized. So I mean, the best organized race I've seen so far in Spain. So it was nice to see. Is it kind of funny to you? I don't have an answer

for this, which means I probably shouldn't ask the question that children can become so much better than their parents. And it's like similar and then they're just at a level that is so far ahead of their parents. Kind of like Bradley Wiggins, like, how does this happen? I don't, I'm not a geneticist, so I don't understand it, I guess. Yeah, I mean, first of all, I think it goes, I mean, DNA is obviously an issue, you know, genetics. But, I mean, I don't know. I mean, there's there's kids

for example, Axelmarch, right? I mean, how messed up it is to be the son of Eddie Merck's

“and want to be a cyclist. That's, that's not very good. But he, he had a good career in his own,”

but you know, if you look at, for example, Benjamin Novall, he is going to be way better. Yeah. I mean, I don't know the answer either. I mean, I hope my son gets better than me. That would be great.

I wish, I wish for that, but we'll see. I did. Your guy would take your career in a second.

I don't think I need to be better than you on your nail. A couple tour stage wins, I'm good. But yeah, it is fascinating. You see in the NBA a lot, actually, a lot of guys. I mean, Axel, though, was a big, he was kind of a big talent. He was very talented. Right, or you see in the NBA, a lot of guys come in and they're quite a bit better than their, their fathers. I don't know. I don't really understand what's going on there. So, we're going to

have someone on it to break this down for us, but speaking of people that are better than their parents at riding a bike, that I forgot sure, dominates the tour of Switzerland. Only five stages this year. So, I was on the ground for some of it that what I could glean from, obviously, you're saving some money if you're doing five stages versus eight. But kind of the messaging from the organizers were that this allows writers to stay out to do longer, come down for five days of

racing and even maybe stay it out to do during the race because you're in Switzerland. You can strategically pick hotels and then get back up to out to before the tour of France. They kind of seem to be, it was almost like they've embraced their position as a tour of France training camp. And we saw guys like Pagachar and Vanderpool, almost treating it like a training camp. We talked about stage one through three where Pagachar wins stage one and super impressive fashion. Still,

I'm still in shock about that. Basically, wins the overall stage one. Get to multi-minute lead. Stage two, one by roaming required from the breakaway with Pagachar, almost winning, pulling Matthias Vichek there, who ended up finishing third. Stage three was Jonathan Narvaya, Son UA, so UA ends up winning because Pagachar wins stage four and five. They went four out of the five stages. Stage four is a time trial. 23 K long. One by Pagachar by point three of a second,

ahead of Matthew Vanderpool, who you know, Han, I don't think we mentioned one time in our know in our, yes, is about who would win that stage. And then stage five is a tough mountain stage, really tough mountain stage. One by Pagachar and he had to mow down, Lenny Martinez, who we saw, stay with and beat. You want to spend a lot earlier this year at Perry and E. So he's not, there's no panic cooking and that I pulled two minutes back on him, finished about two minutes

in front of the rest of the GC group, pretty impressive performance over this final weekend. But yeah, let's just start with House surprise, where you with Matthew Vanderpool in that time trial. I did not actually, you know what, we shouldn't be surprised because it's, it's not even on a

pool. If he puts his, you know, his missions on something, he can also always do really well.

There were not a lot of time trial specialists, but man, I was close 30, 30, 100s of a second.

“Yeah, I did not see that coming honestly, especially also because I, I mean, and this is just a”

guess, right? I mean, I don't think Matthew Vanderpool has focused a lot on time traveling, time trial position, win tunnel testing, specific training for time trials. It just, you know, an intense super intense training block there in that time trial. And, and almost won it. I would have, I would have loved to see him win. But also, you know, seeing Pugachar winning that time trial, I think it's just another confirmation of how good he is.

Yeah, we said, maybe talked about Kavanja and, you know, Kavanja actually DNFed, did they before when we spoke, so he did you do the time trial. So many guys DNFed, this race, like, just quietly DNFed out. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, as you say, Spencer, it was already, I mean, if he was not sure before the race who would win the tour of Switzerland, it was definitely, we definitely knew after stage one who would win the tour of Switzerland, especially

knowing that the hardest stage was the last one, and then that last stage was just incredible.

I think once again, he went, I'm not going to say without trying, but without being a goal,

“because I think was it deck at long? Who was starting to pull for Machu Picatello?”

Yeah. And then, there was one last guy who did this pull, and Picatello was not on the wheel anymore. Pugachar was on his wheel. I was another UAE guy, I was not on the wheel, and then he just, just took over and left with eight and a half kilometers to go. Basically the entire final climb.

You know, if you look, I've seen some data somewhere. It's not a super steep climb. I would think it's,

it's not like 10% or anything. I think it's 18 and a half, 18 and a half percent average. And he had 1,940 meters of VAM with VAM is the speed per hour, the climbing speed per hour. A climb like that is not ideal for to have a high VAM. So, so that's impressive. I also read somewhere another calculation 27 minutes, which was close to 7 watts per kilo. But I saw a calculation that it was 7.2 watts per kilo. Yeah. I thought that was pretty high.

Not for 20 minutes. I think that that's actually was 3.6 kilometers at 7.1 watts per kilo. But would I take away from it? Spencer is not the numbers. It's what I've seen. And especially

“what Pugachar has said, he said, I'm better than last year. That's what I take away from it.”

And I think he is better. We've said it already a number of times, but I do think he's better than last year. So, everybody is going to have to step up their game for the tour. Let's take a quick, let that's a great place to take a break. Let's take a quick break. I got a question, a quick rub bottle, a rub bottle on that when we get back. Everybody this episode is brought to you by Shopify. The move is a podcast, obviously,

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he did have a subpartime trial. So technically, yes, he's better. But stage six of the dofenay. How quick are we to forget? That was one of the more impressive climate performance as I've ever seen. I mean, it was to cum blue. Is that the, that's the climb, right? Kind of towards the edge of. I mean, I still don't know if this is correct, but I have near like 490 watts for 20 minutes, which would be 7.5 watts per kilo. And then he, he is good the next day. I don't actually don't think

“I think no. And then he won the next day drop. You want to spend a good at it again. And then someone”

else won the final stage. Maybe there's Lenny Martinez actually. Lenny Martinez good. You're

right or someone should sign that guy. He's always there. But technically, I mean, I don't actually

know if he is better than last year. He looks good. But well, I mean, last year we knew he was amazing because he did these performances and he did against his biggest rival. Yeah, he's been hard. Now, we don't know, right? But the way, I mean, a guy like got a pass for example. He tried, he tried yesterday. I think he lost its 50 meters on the wheel. And then just roll the way two minutes from him. And in 22 minutes, roll the way two minutes from him. That's crazy. It's crazy. So I think he's

pretty good man. I think he's pretty good. Well, Caripass in the final weekend, also that shows you why Caripass is who he is. Head's up rider takes two minutes on everybody else on the first day. In the final weekend, he lost like three and a half minutes to put got your in two stages. You know, finish a second. Which is really impressive. Mattized by check really a key. He

“gained a lot of time on Caripass in the final weekend, finishes third, six three, 53 back. I think this”

is the best. I've seen him ever climb, but check. Yes. Did a great time for all was able to stay with with Bogacciarno on that on that stage at Remangrig war. Stage three. Yeah. And yes,

stage three. Great last time. Did a great last time yesterday. So yeah, I mean, that's an amazing

performance to be here. To be in third place for Vacheck on the on the door Switzerland. I mean, he's not your typical rider. He would think off that gets over those climbs and stays up there in GC. So we must be on great form. We 75 kilos are he's listed at that. So that's true. His power. Power meter might be breaking. Not much required to do that are somewhat staggering. What's funny is another guy we didn't mention all his Tobias Foss former time trial world champion.

Almost wins. Like he had the fastest time by far. He was taking tons of time back. Unpugature in the second half for the time trial finishes six seconds back on the stage doesn't win, but that I guess that shows you. I mean, what do we make of that? Why was Bogacciar losing so much time in the back up at the time trial? So just that he's not as good as he is. He's not a pure time trialist and a true pure time trialist. We'll take time on a faster part of the course.

“Did he so, but did he do time on Foss and on the rest, though?”

Just don't know if it was just time for us. Let me look at my little table here.

Well, first it's time for our specialists, although we haven't seen anything since that world

championships, which was a surprise title, I would say. But still, he's a great rider. He also endured 11 year, which I didn't know until I looked at him. He went through the oven area, which would explain why he can get forth to his Switzerland. So Bogacciar, last time to Tim Mullins, Vanderpull and Foss in the back half of the course, which was fast, like 56 can hour. Okay. Yeah. But if we're going to win, but listen, I mean, he doesn't really have

nobody, he's always, Bogacciar's always going to be within 10 15 seconds of everybody else in any

time trial, unless it's like a spure specialist time trial of completely flat. So Bogacciar doesn't

“have to worry about the time crowning in in in state races at all, I think. I give Ramco's here”

how much time does it take on Bogacciar? 15 seconds. Yeah. 15 20 seconds max. Yeah. And then he gets that back, easy. Yeah. Any anything else to go familiar with that time trial? I just couldn't. I was at the finish line with my son and he kept asking, like, is that the, I was, did you expect that? I'd know, not expect to see a photo finish between Vanderpull and Bogacciar. That was close. I mean, then yeah, and then the other thing we have in the time trial is not to have underpool sitting in the

hot seat without his shirt on, and then getting fined by the UCI for what is it breaking to protocol, whatever it was. The nipple protocol, whatever it was. It was hot, no, it's super hot. Dude, it was so hot. And I guarantee you he was in an un-air conditioned tent or room. It actually, it actually shows you how BS the UCI is at times because they are based in Switzerland. They're, they're in a

“probably nicer condition building. Like, it was probably 36, 37 degrees. It was close to 100 degrees Fahrenheit.”

And he's out there in an un-air conditioned little room. Of course, he's, like, of course, he's going to take his shirt off. I thought they should have fine. Maybe they found him for taking a socks off. That was a little lude. He's got puppies on TV up there. That's wild man behavior. I thought they could have let that slide. Not you, it doesn't care about that. You got five hundred. I thought it's fine, right? I thought he should have sat in the river.

It was this beautiful cold river. They should have had him sitting in there for the hot seat. Well, everybody else raised that. It was definitely a real hot seat then. Yes, it was it lived up to its name. I mean, it just shows you a, how talented he is. I think you said it

over text at two most talented riders in the sport. Get first and second by less in a second.

Like, kind of makes sense when you say it like that. But it's, he was really like, he was carving

“the turns so wide. Like every inch of road. If you want to go fast, watch Vanderpool's time”

trial performance. It was a clinic. But he's just not normally doing that. But why do you think he decided today was the day? He was just going to turn into a time trialist? Well, I think, you know, he obviously was there with, you know, with the hope that he could win a stage. I think he was counting on stage one maybe and then definitely stage two and three. Yeah. And he didn't. So, you know, then that's the next next thing. Try to win a TT. It's so impressive. It's, yeah,

yeah, I almost can't say enough about it. I was, I was shocked. I did not have many riders, Yohan, they can say, well, and that race didn't work out for me. Let me just try to win this time. We got a time trial coming up, right? I'll try to win that one. I'm not a time trial specialist, but I think I could do it. Just incredibly, incredibly unique. And then stage five, some stats for this thing. This is, this is a really hard stage. It started up a climb basically.

So 4k at 9% was the first 4k of the race. And then they descend down and they just keep, and that was the tipy top of the climb. They just keep doing it over and over. So it's the cold day lacra, 19% at, I guess the cry, not the cry, the cry, 19k. I had it right. It's a 19k, 7% and they just do that over and over and they just go up to send them three times a four times. They, they technically did it four times. But they did a half the first and last time were a half.

The different half of it, you know. Okay. So they started and finished in the same spot, but it was halfway up the climb. Okay. Even the halves are not easy. So it's 19k long climb. By the time they're doing the fourth time of the day, it's at 9k long climb up to the, where they started the stage. It's, that's not, that's like true mountain test, because you're

never getting a rest, up down, up down, up down. And for someone like Vachak to be there is,

is really, really impressive, but it was kind of the Pagotra show. Lenny Martinez was trying to pull off some of the Lenny Martinez magic. I saw that break and, you know, it was like, kind of, like, this is impressive, but I don't, I don't think these guys are going to stay away, like, why are they even bothering to do this? They're, they're not going to stay away from them. Yeah. Lenny Martinez stage eight of the Dolfine last year, one, the mountain stage out of a break away.

So apparently, he knows what he's doing and he almost wins this thing stays away. They had about, it was like a one, it was a 155 gap by the time Pagotra finished his attack at the bottom

And it's still, I mean, uh, uh, Pippa York on the commentary, I believe with, like, 5k to go

as, like, yeah, he's, he's going to catch him. He doesn't send a chance. I didn't think it was a sure thing, but sure enough, forgot you're just modem down and below by him. Like, he wasn't there. Pretty impressive clinic, but I would still say pretty impressive from Lenny Martinez. Like, where where he is right now, going into the tour, he's got to feel pretty good about that.

“Yeah, I think, you know, his, his obviously his goals to win the stage. And maybe for,”

go for the KOM Martinez, he already did that last year. I don't think it's a rider for G.C. in a, in a grand tour, but yeah, he's done it many times now. Spencer, you know, like, pick out these stages in, in those, you know, in Paddini's in, uh, Romandee, if I'm not mistaken, he won a stage last year. Also, um, you know, he almost, I mean, dofinale last year, now here, almost to win a stage. He's a class rider, he knows a pure climber and he's a very smart, very smart rider.

I hear from within the Peloton that he's not very liked because of his way of racing. He's, uh, he's not, uh, you know, he only pushes when he really has to, but, you know, that's the way you win races. You know, he's very smart rider, but he's not very popular. He's not very popular in breakaways. I hear. Yeah, I mean, what do you think about that? You would be more qualified to

“speak on it than me, but it's my opinion that if you're smart, if you race actually how you”

should to maximize your chance of winning, no one's gonna like you, right? No, no, I mean, yeah, listen, I guess one of the, one of the best examples of the last decade was, uh, Rui Costa, same same thing, you know, like Rui Costa was that kind of rider. He nobody liked to have it in the break, but when he was there, 50% of the time he won, you know, so, uh, if you're, if everybody likes

you, but you never win a race, then your boss is probably not gonna like you that much. You know,

everybody else likes you, but the guy who pays you will say, well, you know, everybody likes you, but I don't like you that much. Yeah, you know, people like you, you're probably not doing something right. So, yeah, I mean, like, the way Lenny Martinez can just target these stages and and go form against, I mean, he did this last year against Jonas and Tate, like it could, you couldn't pick a harder handicap than that, and he's still is, uh, able to, to pull him off

at times. You got close. Do you think there's anyone, I was just, I don't know why this is infecting my brain, are people sitting around saying, why did, why did, I took out your chase from down, why didn't you let him win? There must be people saying that, right? Yeah, but, you know, I mean, not, not what they said, not what they said cycling, it's, that's the way it is. And on top of

that, you know, it's, it always comes down to the same. Of course, they have a goal, you know,

they want to do in the doer Switzerland, they won, they had one already three stages, but if you have your team right, the whole day, with the purpose to, you know, keep the break away within check, to have a chance for the stage when then, as a leader, you are not in a position to make the call, oh, you know, by the way, I'm just going to let that guy out there, you know, just give him the stage, those times are over, you know, it's like, if your team has worked all day, as a leader, you need

to finish off the job whenever you can. Yeah, I actually would say this is one of the things being at the race really makes you respect, because you see, like everyone is physically miserable, yeah, especially when it's hot. And if they're all doing that, not just the riders, you know, huh, like, you know, the, the day Bolshas of these teams are out there, like five in the morning pack and the cars up to get them ready for the feed zones. And when they went, like, when

Pagotcha won that time trial, you could feel it was like, it's like a physical euphoria that's lifting

“up the winner and then the loser. Yeah. Yeah. So it is very important to grab these wins,”

like not just for Pagotcha, but for the whole team. And I would probably be a little disrespectful if you went back to Niels Pollard and said, and you see how hard Niels Pollard or Chester, they're like, I was suffering on the front, it's sorry, Niels. I let Lennie win, you know, like, Lennie like wins all the time. He doesn't need someone to let them win. So by if you're going to let somebody win, he's going to be, should be a teammate.

Yeah. Like not a vice. For example, you know, yeah, or like, I stopped just looking at in Rick Moss and the results sheet remembering when he tried to get Joe, I made it a lot of one and he said, no, thanks. But I mean, I had, I had Pagotcha calculated at, for the 20, 24 minutes since his attack at 468 watts, 7.2 watts per kilo. Oh, that is, you know, quite good, quite good, actually, you might say, but actually is on par with, you know, if he go back to the tour last year,

shorter, but it was like above that, but 24 minutes, it's a TT is not the same. You don't have the fatigue of,

you know, the clamp the whole day. Yeah. I mean, I'm still, I don't know, maybe I need to go back and revisit these dopamine numbers last year, but still, I mean, I guess it's longer 24 minutes. I don't think people understand like 24 in change is significant longer than 20. Like you think in your mind thinks it's the same, but it's quite a bit longer than a 19 to 20 minute effort. So he's he's fit. He's fit going into the tour. How do you think everybody else? Like if you're

“Jonas from the garden watching the field and there's nobody close. I think there's nobody close to this,”

Spencer, even if he's not better than last year, you know, even if he's the same,

he was so far ahead of everybody else. Yeah, people still know problems. It's like Jonas may say,

I mean, listen, I mean, at this point, we keep saying it over and over again, but we have to say again, it is only Jonas when your garden can maybe come close to Pogacir and beat him if something happens to him. That's the situation. We're going to see again and with this team now that he has around him and you know, all these guys who are super strong, some guys were injured, they came back, they're stronger now. Let's not forget Narvaj, I don't know if Narvaj is going to do the tour or not.

I don't think so. But you know, and then on the other side, we haven't talked about that, but you know, we, we, in the Dolphin A, Walvanard dropped out with an injury on his elbow and infection has since decided that he is not fit for the tour and he's not going to be racing the tour for

“Jonas and for Visma. You're burning her third segment here. Yeah, well, that's why you're sorry,”

that's, that's, that's a big one. You know, that's a really big one for Visma. You know, we say always,

yeah, you know, Vannard, he's a spring, or spring classics writer. You know, but historically, Vannard has been at his best always in the summer, in the month of July. Yeah. Yeah. You know, for personal results and also as the unbelievable teammate he has been, so they're going to miss him, man, and in the tour. I don't know if there's, there's nobody who can take that place for sure. There's nobody there. So I don't know how they're

going to make that selection now to fill up that gap. I, I agree. I think this is devastating. I heard a take from someone who was like, I don't know, it's losing Vannard that much important and losing Bart Lemon. It's like, he's, what Vannard does is almost impossible.

“Almost nobody can do that. That is, it is devastating. He's also, you called this,”

because you got Dramaria dropped in the same time trial and he said, this is really weird. And it was, it must have, because he had this infection, like the good of gone septic, they said. Yeah, well, I didn't participate in one stage in retrospect. Yeah, I didn't. When I said that, I said, you know, it looks like it's more going on. I initially, when I saw it was an infection, I said, you know, the infection can be, can be, okay, you know, you get with a heavy treatment of

antibiotics. It's not good for the condition, but you know, I thought that if it was just the infection that he could, I was thinking more about something else, maybe a hairline fracture or something that caused him to withdraw, but it seems that this infection is more serious than we, we could, well, for seeing, we're seeing, we saw a guy, former UA, right, or died of this recently. A lot of these infections now can't be treated with antibiotics, and they get, they get out of control

before you can deal with it, and then that's not good for you. Yeah, I guess that happened to Kyle Bush as well. In the US got, he got sepsis a couple days after winning race in past away, but let's take another ad break, and then I'm going to have a game that I've come up with on the trip back from Switzerland free to play. Everybody this episode is brought to you by NordVPN, which has become a must-have for me to keep up with all of my cycling and other sports as I travel

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the sounds familiar, visit NOCD.com to book a free 15-minute call. That's NOCD.com. Okay, Johan, we're back. The game is, I'm going to name writers and you tell me if this writer was at this race or not. So, Nairigan Tana, yes, I didn't know I didn't know he was here until I saw him physically at the race, but did he do better than he thought? Like, I'm assuming you didn't know he was coming to this race, but assuming you knew, did he do better than you would have

expected or worse? I'm not expecting that much anymore of Nairo. I knew he was in the race because I saw him in the break away the last day, otherwise I wouldn't have known he was in the race. Yeah, I mean, either. Another writer that I actually was really impressed with in Rick Mott's, did you know he was here? Not until the last stage. Who's called was this? Because he did the zero, and then he came in. You ready, you ready to roll at Swiss? Do you think he decided that

at the team? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There was quite a few guys who did it. There were a lot of guys. So, yeah. And then, you know, obviously, you know, going to do the tour. So, they have a big break now. And then, most likely, you know, show up for the

I mean, I mean, maybe they just need him to fill a gap, and he's not, he's not a big enough

start to say no. Um, another writer. This one pains me. This is, this is, this was actually I struggle with my mortality this week a lot. Primal's mortgage. Yeah. He was at the race, yeah. He was at the race, but invisible. What is going on there? We worried. Yeah. I mean, I worry, listen. I mean, it's been a while since we've seen the primos from, you know, two, three years ago, was a winning machine. You know, when all those one week stage races that, you know, Vuelta winner for, for time, Vuelta winner,

no. Yeah. That's his big goal. That's his big goal. He goes to the Vuelta trip prior win it. Again, I have doubts if he can, you know, if this primus rubbish of this year can win it. But I think that, you know, primus rubbish being at the tour of Switzerland was definitely not an objective.

“It's just, I mean, his team will probably have said, hey, you know what, they, you need to race,”

you know, you do just, just when you're paying you these millions, you're not going to be not paying you just to stay at home. I don't think that was pre-moses decision to race through Switzerland. Uh, that's just my, that's just me thinking out loud. But that's, but it's kind of a trend too, right? It seems like he's getting thrown into some races that he doesn't want to do and he's like physically almost visibly pouting. It's true to France last year. Think about that. Or he just didn't ever

seem fully bought in and do a comedy this year. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. If he, I guess if he wins the Vuelta, we say, wow, the signs were there. Look, he was pretty good on the final stage of Switzerland. But I just cut the time trial. I found shocking because he was, I remember him as he would, he would just the blaze and the time trial. And he just, he was just looking to hard for him. He was Olympic, choppy down from all. A, B, are good friend Tom Dumoulon and the Olympics.

Yeah. Yeah. And he just looked late. He actually, his time wasn't that, he's 37 seconds back, which in that time trial. It's not awful. But, you know, he's with Michael Matthews. He shouldn't be with Michael Matthews and the time trial. Here's the, here's the hardest one, Johan. And I only know this person was there because they were in the same room as me for dinner after stage four. Meca Landa, did you know he was there? No, I did not know he was there. I haven't seen him.

No, and is, because it, it, it like sent me for a loop, it's like Landa, like I kind of thought he retired.

But remember he was actually on good form and he crashed first stage of the 2025 Jerrod Italia.

“Has serious injury, yeah? Yeah. He's never, and then I think he crashed again in, was it Catalonia?”

He crashed. All right, boss country. One of those two, either Catalonia or boss country, had a pretty bad crash, like a really bad rush. You're right, it must be a bad country. After coming back, yeah, comes back from the bad crash. 19th at Lombardia, and then crashes again, and then now he's on the rebuild again. It's just, it's also funny to me, he's not, I can't get over him being on, so don't

quick step. It's like seen a shark on a mountaintop. Like, it doesn't really fit the, I guess I know. Especially, especially now that there's no, no real leader for the GC races, he's like probably sometimes the best climber of the team. Yeah, I'm a van won't be very good, we should say. Yeah, he's good, but, you know, it's not,

“it's not a rider who needs this super Domestika in the mountains to stay next to him, you know,”

I mean, Van Willer can, you know, him being there and following, trying to follow the good guys, that's, that's enough for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for six play. What,

what does Van Willer finally finish fifth? fifth, and he could actually get a little bit of

result there. Yeah, top five at a major. What's funny is, so Tobias, Foss finishes fourth, Van Willer fifth, when Foss won the tour to Lavenier, second place was, or sorry, third place was Van Willer. Oh, second place was Elliott. These guys, if you look at a lot of Foss's results Van Willer, all these finishes, like right behind him in the GC, but, and not, so I'm just going to speed around through this and, like, what, another rider, that's, I'm not saying this rider, we didn't

know he's in this race. Just another rider, I want to call out, he's not going to be remembered. So Pagotcha wins the stage yesterday. Barantita's the second Bart lemon third. They were from the break away. The next best rider from the Peloton is Yarno Weedar. Then we'll go in. Okay. Yeah, very good. We're at a 20 years old, very good customer. And then we just thought it erasing again, he erasing the beginning of the season, how the knee problem had a knee surgery

Yeah. That was his first race back after months being out of competition. So,

“so yeah, that's a good result. And then Rickatello fifth on the stage.”

Rickatello, I talked to Rickatello out, he wasn't too impressed with the lack of mountain stages here. Didn't think that was setting him up for great success. In Rick Moss sixth, really, like really good result there from in Rick Moss. In the stage, right? In the stage. Yeah. Like building toward the end also shows not, not pouting like primos. You know, like he's there given his best. He was laughing, coming over the finish line. He was sprinting against Rickatello.

But the big question, let's take a break. And then I want to ask you about Richard Caripass's

race, because this is one of the strangest second places you could ever map up because he loses

buckets of time through the final weekend on a five stage race and somehow ends up second. But we'll be right back to talk about Caripass. Okay, you're on, we are back. So Caripass gets second, 632 back. He loses minutes to not only pick out your, but Matthias Vachek in the final two stages, mainly just from the time trial. But really it goes back to his decision on stage one when everything is footballer. And Pagotcher's up the road. He just attacks, takes minutes. You know, he takes a few

seconds on Baggioli, but Baggioli was 13 minutes back on the final stage. So he's kind of a relevant from G.C. But he takes almost two minutes on Van Wilder and Vachek in McNulty. And on that first stage. And that kind of proves to be how he gets second. But if you're a rider like Richard Caripass, how are you feeling like, how did they feel about this second place coming out of this race? Like he's losing time where he should be taking time and

get second from taking time on an unexmanaged stage. Yeah, I feel good about it. I think Caripass feels good. Also, let's not forget this is a race first race back also. He was supposed to ride the giro. And then he was out with some kind of infection. It was a bad infection. It was assist on his in-between two important areas where you say. Yeah, not good. I think he's pretty happy with that result. You know, and obviously he's going to race the tour now. So I think Caripass

did a solid race. You know, time traveling has never been his forte and it will never be.

He's always lost a lot of time in time cross. It was again the case. And then other than that,

“I think he, you know, he was very consistent. Did that really good ride individually on stage one?”

And that's what basically cemented his second place already there. And then I heard an interview from him after the race. And he sounded really satisfied with the performance and with the results. And he's going to the tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, if he's at the giro, does it does anything change or now? No, I mean, he would have been in good tension for the podium. You know, with together with with Gallen and Hintley, but you know, we don't have change anything else.

How do you think he's going to do with the tour? He's going to go for stages. I think Caripass is not a rider anymore. For GC and the tour de France. It's hard. It's hard for guys like that. They want teams like that. Because they kind of need the, they need the appearance that he is going for GC. But he wants to go for stages and it keeps him too high up in GC and then it's going to get in the break. But I mean, he did it what two years ago, right? He pulled the rabbit out of

that made it work. So clearly he can do it. I don't know. He wants stage and got the characteristic. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so it's capable of that at least. I mean, he's even the second place.

“It's just like witchcraft. How is he doing this? Like, where's he? Where's he taking time on people?”

But other just other things to call out. We have not mentioned this man for a long time, and it is relevant for the tour de France. Flooring lipwits gets first at the tour de Slovenia, which tours de Slovenia, not normally. I don't remember this many hard stages. They went up the recica pass, which is the biggest climb in Slovenia. I don't ever remember them doing that. Maybe I just don't watch tours de Slovenia close enough. But flooring lipwits beats julio,

pellissari for in the final GC by 42 seconds taking like a chunk of time on a non-mountain stage in winning solo on stage five, which shows you he's an incredibly good shape. So lipwits last years, there was a hard climb, 1.4 kilometer climb, where he just attacked with two hundred meters

recovered. That's another guy. I think why is this guy racing now? Maybe this is the trend, I guess.

“Well, I mean, you know, there's so many races that at the end of the day, you need to”

you need to file a team of seven riders everywhere. Yeah. I mean, pellissari is not going to the tour. So there's a, you know, just come to the tour of Slovenia and see how it goes. That's usually what happens. We just want to start with not expecting anything from you. Just be there,

and let's see what happens. And yeah, finally, got second. Get second. I mean, he was in the mix until

that final day, too. Just to, he was just one back. Was a friend of the show, Barric, Barric, in front again. I think he was top five to six. And he finished fifth moved up fifth spot on the final. Once again, once again, a pretty good result. Yeah. Good climber. Really good. Another guy I like him that I saw and got to start start to say anything is Paul double. But like said, Barric. Like if Paul, I think, I think Paul, I think Barric is better and Paul double.

It's just funny that Barric is like fighting for, I mean, now like maybe he's fine, but he's like

“fighting for a contract for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. If said, Barric, if I think, I think,”

a guy like this will get noticed and get, uh, get a better deal on another team probably.

If his name was Serbian, Serbiani, Burwantina, and he was Italian. Is it easier for him to get a contract, you think? I don't know. I don't know. I think people who follow cycling obviously know that this guy is a good climber and looks to me like he's, he can still get better. He's still improved. He was on Israel in the bus. I think. Yeah. And it's doesn't not totally clear to me why he's not still on that team. It seems like that's exactly the type of rider they

could use. I got to say the rebrand NSN looks fantastic. Yeah. It was down on the jerseys at the start. It looks in person. Wow. It's impressive actually. But I also joke with Matthew, Rikatello. Like if his name was Luigi, Rikatello, and he was Italian. I'm like, you got to sit this guy. He's gonna win the Tour de France someday. Like I'm just a sucker for a young Italian cyclist. Oh, that's just going to overrated. Let's just go ahead and Mateo instead of Mateo. Mateo, Mateo. Mateo.

We have to say Mateo Rikatello and then he says his name right. And then before we go, we got to talk about Queen Simmons. Holy smokes. We said he would probably win Nationals. But it would be tough for him. He says no teammates. It's not easy to win a race. When you have no teammates and you're the favorite. And everyone's marking you. And there's George and Bobby's mean team. Yeah, but if I'm, if I'm not mistaken, Spencer, I just had a quick

“look at the results of it. And I think the top three had no teammates. There's nobody else from UAE.”

Well, nobody has from $2. Do you notice, so the top three were Quinn Simmons Kevin from Marka Larry Warbus. Do you notice anything about them? That's different from the rest of the race.

I guess Larry technically is not World Tour, but World Tour first, World Tour second,

former World Tour rider third. I got to say to Tudor, oh man, that team just oozes money. When you see their boss and their cars is, it is impressive. Same thing with your friend, uh, Pinarello, Keith, there's six points. They need to do their needs to probably spend a little bit less money and have some better results. Oh, my, my wife goes, what? She's like, what is to deal with this? Like, who's even the best rider on Tudor? Why? It's like, I don't know,

but they look great. Look at this car. Look at, look at Pinarello. I mean, that's, you see, that's the team you want to be on. You go there, you're living the good life. But yeah, these guys are the three best riders in the race. I mean, it's Quinn Simmons. It's a hard course and it's perfect if you are isolated as a World Tour rider because you have a 2k long 6% climb every lap to bail you out because modern adventure, George's team was was really doing all the

right stuff. They got riders up the road. They had new miracle advantage against these guys, but Quinn could just wait until the climb and it was like, this is a, almost a five hour long race, not really a functioning Peloton and just attacks the entire time, which that's hard. Well, that's hard race hard hard race. And we'll fatigue everybody, which helps Quinn and Kevin and Larry, because whenever when gets fatigued, they're going to be best. Also fourth place was taken by an

18 year old, Ashland Barry, who won the 23 race as an 18 year old. So, shout out Ashland Barry on team Vismalisa by development. So he won, he won the, all, it was mixed. No, it was a different race. It was the day before. So he did the two races. He did two races. Oh, one of them being almost

race. That's crazy. It was a, it was a three hour long race and he wins it by two seconds.

“You know, it's like he's a, he's in a, he's in a dogfight in this race. He's not cruising in victory.”

And then he comes back, you know, and I can't, and also a new American champion, and so Hinkipi,

Junior, yeah, and the junior. Junior, come rest the, the Hinkipi family in George,

you're proud that. So George, yes, congrats George. So George is Sunwind's junior. Michael Barry's Sunwind's U23, both postal riders. So I'm not mistaken. And then Quincyman's, Quincyman's dad apparently the best pedigree of them all wins the senior race. But did you see his dad at the finish line with the beard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. Yeah, I can't wait till I get a father's son matching, um, facial hair situation. It's going to be great. Yeah, they look, they look like it.

They're very money. They look, they look like brothers. Like his dad is an incredibly good shape. Yeah, he's an easy, easy, great shape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was doing this, there's a famous race in

“Durango called the Iron Horse. And I'll never forget this. The first client comes up, and this guy”

comes from the back and he's like yelling like, I didn't know what was going on. Like if there was an emergency and he just starts screaming and then just attacks so hard off the top of the front.

And I thought it was a joke. Like he was going to stop. And we just never saw him again.

And it was Quincyman's dad. Oh, just like, let out a battle cry and ripped off the front

“at full speed and was never to be seen again. That's how that's how strong he is. But I got to run”

you on. Thanks for joining us. And we're actually going to take a break until the two of fronts. So we will be back next week and enjoy your week off. Okay, you're out to be cancer. My outfit. All right, yeah. Yeah, we got to go to out to camp before the tour. So okay. I'll see you in 10. Yeah, later this week. Oh, okay. All right. All right, bye. [BLANK_AUDIO]