Great tactics of Red Bull, but Primoz didn't have the legs to actually keep t...
but at least they tried, you know, and hats off to him to defend that second place.
You know, it shows you how tough he is. He didn't have a great day. I saw him several times struggling, like on the verge of getting dropped and still, you know, keeps fighting and keeps that second place with what with 30 seconds now on on Felix Gaul.
“So, yeah, not at all the time. Yeah, but anyways, I think, you know, tomorrow and I think it's going to happen in terms of GC.”
But, yeah, as expected, Spencer, this is the podium, and Rick Mas will win the World Cup. He'll probably be second and Felix Gaul will be third, and I honestly think that the three of them are happy with that outcome. Everybody, welcome back to the move podcast. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Brineau. We're breaking down stage 20 of the Vulta, a Spaniard love wealth in preview. In tomorrow's final stage, 21, I can't believe it's over, Johan.
And we'll do our outcome stage preview. We'll predict the winner the last two days. We've not been so hot because who in the world?
But someone did. There's someone out there who bet on Mika Landa, twin today stage.
And I hope they're buying a yacht in Monaco because the odds would have been substantial. I have to think, suit all quick steps. Mika Landa wins the stage from the breakaway after missing the early move. Tobias Holleneu Hansen II, Rasmus Debraina III. He bridges up from the Chase Group two minute bridge.
At the moment, Johan, the moment I saw him in that move bridge up, I knew he was going to win. I mean, you'd have to be so fit to do that. We don't know where this ride came from. But there's clearly something about these big engines, as you would say, that can just turn it around in the third week of a grant tour whenever everybody else is on their knees.
“I guess that's why Mika Landa was one of the best climbers in the world for a long, long time.”
Because he's pretty dang good at climbing. I'll walk us through the stage was chaos. It was insane. Five hour stage with pretty much all-out racing for five hours. I'm just going to give us a quick overview, not to have a two-deep end. The stage starts popping our tax from Kalaminer Zero with Ebo, Oliviaera,
a little bit of a tactical move there.
The big, powerful guys trying to get a gap before they get to the first climb.
So the breakways coming to them is opposed the other way around. It works. They get clear. What we didn't think was going to happen is UNOX breaks the Peloton up in the crossroads on the flat. They get six guys up the road in a Chase Group that is ripping. They are riding so hard. They link up to the Ven Art and Oliviaera group.
And that's the breakway right there. The only rider that makes it across, I believe, is Mika Landa. As soon as the climb comes, Movis starts attacking. I don't know if you saw this, Johan, kind of unusual. You think they would be trying to control.
I assume they were thinking this stage is so hard. A lot of our guys cannot get over the front, cannot get over in the front GC Group. So we might as well have them get up the road. So Movis star instead of controlling the Peloton is having guys attack the Peloton. They pull a massive 54 rider chase group clear in pursuit of a 14, 11 to 14 rider breakaway up the road.
And then what's left in the GC Group is not a lot. In Richard Carp has starts attacking from about 100 kilometers out. He looks at these going 1000 miles an hour. But the calf on close is it down? The thing is Carp has just keeps doing this.
And the more the calf on us to close it down, the fewer riders they have. Eventually, our GC group is just three riders. It's just roguelage, moss and gall. It stalls out. They let they let support come back. We have satellite riders dropping back in dribs and drabs. I would say varying degrees of success.
The Red Bull would have three guys in the front and then two minutes later, no guys in the front. Because if you, you can be up the road.
“But there's another question if can you work on an 8% grade?”
They did have Luke Tuckwell and Finn Fisher Black eventually get there. Setting a good pace and I Moves start played the satellite rider game really well. They had even Romeo waiting at the top of climb. They have Pablo Castrielo on the final climb. And the big story that I for the GC is Cepcus. Four just clear. Ten. It was like a ten and a half minutes the break away.
With 64 K to go, I believe he attacks out of the GC group. He's 11 minutes. He's in a 11th place. I believe around 11 minutes down. They don't really have the luxury of marketing them because of what he can't mark everything. When there's no teammates left. And he gets up the road. He's got four views. My rider's up the road.
The link's up with them. Eventually he has wealth and art leading them into the final climb. And Cepcus finishes on the day. Eighth, 435 behind Mika Landa jumps from 11th place in the fifth place overall. Really super impressive. Like Cus has made time not really matter. He can lose as much time as he want throughout the
Volta and he'll just make it up on stage 20 as needed.
Feel it's called drops everybody on the final climb. Finish is about a minute in front of Premus Ragoid. Still not quite enough time to jump in the second. Inneric moss loses. Eighteen seconds. Eighteen seconds to go all. Doesn't didn't look like you just look. He was controlling there because he still had a two 44 lead
down there. He secures red. Golf secures third. Ragoid's pretty impressive. Never looked that good all day.
Kind of like he's struggling finishes. Well enough to preserve second place overall, which is really impressive. Caripass fourth. Cus fifth Oscar only who.
“I think he just lost the wheel at the top of a climb. And then.”
Couldn't could never catch back up. Loses fifth place by 43 seconds, but does secure the white jersey. So a little bit bittersweet there. I just assume any else is happy that I think that's their first. Leaders jersey win since the 2022 Volta when Richard Caripass won the KLM jersey. So that's a big deal for on the big deal for the team.
But Johan, what is your eight sleep move of the day? If you do want to get an eight sleep before the end of this fall to act now because the Volta's ending tomorrow eight sleep dot com slash the move. But Johan, what is your eight sleep move of the day? Yeah.
I was downloading Spencer. You picked it perfectly everything that happened. I would say initially my initial talk was, you know, we will have to give it to UNOX for blowing up the race with six riders and then having four riders in that 14 man break.
“Getting close to the victory, but you know, in hindsight, I think we have to”
have to give it to Michealanda. I mean, Spencer, question, you know, if before, if at the start of this Volta, you would have said, you would have said to me, okay, Michealanda is going to win the Queen stage of the Volta. An end break must will win the overall.
I would have said, I would have said Spencer, what have you been smoking? And we see, we're seeing these two things happen. You know, I mean, it's crazy. It's like the revival of the Spanish cycling, you know, which is great. Spanish cycling was really, you know, in the gutter.
And, yeah, Michealanda did an amazing ride today.
It was super emotional. It looks like he has been going through two years of really hard times with the Spanish injuries. He gets my eight-sleep move of the day. Also, if you look Spencer, Landa's last win is the GC into of Burgos in 2021. That's the last time he won a race.
And the last time he actually crossed the finish line first, like today, I checked it, it's 2019. He won a stage in Satymana, Copi Bartali. So that's seven years ago since he last won a real like a race coming first over the line.
Where did this come from today? You know, it's like plus, you know, in this wealther, we have not seen him at all. He's been dropped. He's not been any any breaks. And all of a sudden, he finds this last piece of energy.
Obviously, he's not being renewed by Sudar Quickstep. He has signed his last contract of his career a two-year deal with a scout tell of which he is actually the Godfather.
“And I think also kind of a little bit of the co-owner.”
So that's where he's going to finish his career. And he was super emotional. He couldn't believe it himself, but he showed his class on that last line, rolled it perfectly. Very consistent.
Initially, I thought, you know, Ramsos, the Bryan looks the strongest. Then I thought, you know, told me you had a son that looked bad.
And then, finally, here comes Vika Landa, man.
Like, you know, he would, I think he went with seven K to go and six K to go. And you know, I was so steep. I mean, you could feel the suffering through the screen. But he wrote it very consistently.
And if you look, he didn't lose that much time, you know, to the leaders. Well, for example, the three men who sat behind him. He gained time on this, but Kus was that. Kus was that, but Landa has been out there also the whole day.
You know, so big performance. Definitely my asleep of the day for Vika Landa. I mean, he won, like six minutes and 37 seconds, or I feel it's gone. He didn't gain that much of time on him.
Yeah, I'm speechless. So the last time, not only is he not won since 2019, do you know the last time he finished inside the top 10 of a race? Any race?
Two years?
Actually, he's not that like last year's wealth. Do you know who he finished second on a stage? Do you know who he lost to? Oh, yes, yes, yes, I remember. I don't know.
But that was, that was an unusually like, whoa, Mika Landa's up there. What's going on? Yeah, I can't believe this.
People are always asking, like, what's class?
What's class? This is class. How else to describe it? He came out of nowhere and he looked. He just physically looked like team sky,
Aramika Landa when I thought, man, this is the best super, super, super in control. It looked really, really good.
“Yeah, I mean, you have to be happy for him.”
It looks like he went through a lot. He's 36 now. I mean, it also said a lot about the fact that he's still wants to prolong his career and doing other two years. That's crazy if you think, you know,
the unbelievable writer he has been already. You know, he's been up there. Has he not been podium in the Vuelta? I know, in the, in the, in the zero, I know he was 14 the tour.
I think when he was on sky, he's been up there in the zero. I remember when he was on Astana, very close. 22.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in all 36 years old, still wanting to go on in today cycling,
where, you know, we always hear the story.
No, you know, this is not for me anymore. You know, I can't do this anymore. Man. Yeah, he probably gets a good deal at this. He's a boss writer, but anyway,
he's got a good deal. So he's got a good deal. So he's got a good deal. And he's got a good deal. So he's got a good deal.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at different era.
“I mean, I thought we could land a eating dinner.”
This was in June at a race, the tour of Switzerland. Just like we were eating dinner in the same restaurant. And I thought like, man, I forgot he was racing. Like I had that idea. He was kind of like looking at the wines.
And he was like talking to the bartender about the wines. Going through the wine seller. And I incorrectly assumed. I was like, oh, this is a guy. He's on a tour, right?
He's on a paid bike tour of Europe. Yeah. Yeah. How wrong I was, right? Yeah.
Was he interacting with the staff? The staff for the team. Yeah. That's what. No, that's usually what happened to all the riders.
You could see this at the end of their careers. They tend to prefer to go sit with the staff at the tables. With the young riders. Yeah. You feel so much more connected.
Yeah. He was talking to the director. They had some sort of team meeting.
“And he was hanging out with the directors.”
Yeah. I just thought like, oh, he's a figure ahead. No. All right. He was preparing at that race for for this.
You know, like he knew he still had the cinema. I can't believe he did this. So impressive. Yeah. So cool to see.
Also, did you see how tired you Hansen was? Finish just 47 seconds back. Yeah. He was. He came on zigzagging.
He's zigzagged to the finish. You know, I have, I had friends who were there at the, on the last climb. They went up by bike. And they sent me some feedback. And you know, whatever we see on TV doesn't do it just as they said it.
This is crazy how steep this is. This is the first time they did this climb ever in a race. Was actually discovered. I saw on TV by the late Xavier Tondo. Do you remember that guy?
He was on. I think he was on. He was on. He was on banesto or cast the park. I think or movie star maybe.
I don't remember sadly had an act. He actually had an accident at Sierra Nevada. Very sad, very sad story and died. But he was the first one who kind of discovered that climb. Today I saw interviews of sport directors.
You know, and since all these teams are spending so much time on Sierra Nevada. All everybody knew this stage. Of by heart. When I saw, was it when I saw, I saw this video.
But Pedro del Rado always does these previews of these climbs for Spanish TV.
And I saw this video yesterday. And he must have been in April or something on May when he did it. And there was full of riders growing up and down. Ramco was up there and all the whole rental team. And they were all going up that climb using it for there.
I can, I guess, intervals or whatever they want to do. Because it's so steep and so consistent.
Yeah, I mean, it looked brutal.
It was hard. It was like trying to describe a cup of water without the cup. It was just like everywhere. It was no fun. You know, if you look at it, you know, I don't, I don't remember at least not in the valta.
It's been a very long time where I saw a stage.
And even in the Tour de France with four first category climbs.
“And the last climb was, I think, H.C. with horse category.”
It was for so hard. And even more impressive, something I heard during the broadcast was before the last climb. They had done 3,000, almost 4,000 meters of climbing. So they had done 3,900 meters of climbing. And they had an average speed of 40k an hour.
Woo. And then it dropped down to 30, I just saw 37.5 or something with the last climb. But with 4,000 meters of elevation in the legs, they had 40km average. That's crazy. That's crazy.
And you know, I think you could see the way they came in everybody, one by one. You know, there was no groups. Everybody came in one by one. It was a brutal stage. One of the hardest stages I've seen in the last few years, actually.
Yeah, hard in the sense of speed to rain. And then also just the lack of, you know, nobody was in the wheels. Which is like, yeah, everyone's racing by themselves. And the, I guess the byproduct of having, you know, the second climb of the day to the first first cat is far out, almost 100k from the finish.
And it's 8k at 8% which means everything's stripped away. You're not getting, you're not getting a teammate that's not in a lead climber over that with you.
“Like, who's this teammate that Caripass had? Do you know his, his name?”
Yeah, one, one, Felipe Rodriguez. This is a guy. They just promoted him to the world to a team one month before the Volta. He was on the devil. Colombian climber really good.
I mean, really did, he did some amazing stages for Karapas.
And today was even, I think today was the most impressive because, you know, he was there. He got dropped, came back, started again. Like, he three, four times he did the same thing. I mean, he's really only done a stick that Yeah, I could do that.
Like everybody else was catching a rider and then they'd get dropped. Yeah, the 12 to just go. You know, now we're talking about kind of past Spencer. You know, what do you think about, I mean, obviously it's great. You know, he, he did four or five attacks spectacular, right?
Especially that one attack. I don't remember who was pulling.
“The movie star was pulling or was it retable? I don't remember. I think it was movie star.”
And then man, he comes out of the, you know, fifth, sixth position like they are launching a rocket. You know, so spectacular. I think it's like, you know, he puts in a thousand watts for 30 seconds or something. And he said, okay, wow, this is crazy.
And then, you know, the usual thing happens. You know, you see this unbelievable difference in speed. And finally, you know, doesn't get anywhere. He took 20 seconds. And then got, got back at the anti-paid for it.
You know, couldn't stay with the first guys. But anyways, you know, he was here to try something. I mean, he was, at some point, he was with, he caught Seppku's right, because Seppku's was already a way first and then he caught him. Then they got real back in and then Seppku's went again.
But, but yeah, I mean, listen, Karapas is just incredible.
And Seppku's by the way, in the third week of a round tour. You know, at some point, when they went away, the two of them. You know, I was, I had flashbacks, you know, that these are the same two guys that were together in front on stage 19 and 20 of the Tour de France, all of the West, the two stages.
Same two guys. I know. So they have this ability to be incredibly strong in the third week. You know, both of them in the tour were not in G.C. today. Like in this, Karapas is in G.C. he's fought and still have that ability to do that.
And that's, that's, that's impressive. That's really impressive. It's an amazing quality. Well, he did get caught, he didn't go anywhere, technically. But he did blow up the group because the calf on used basically all of the resources really, and the blew up the G.C. group out of assume his tactic was,
like he stripped away resource, like all the resources doing that. And then he kept attacking, thinking he might get away eventually. Let's take a quick break and then I'm going to ask you. Because I don't think it's better. I don't think there's much tactic.
He just attacks, it's his nature. You know, he just attacks, has this ability to attack, get reeled in, not get dropped, attack again. Anybody would get, anybody would blow up. Well, the attack, like especially on steep climbs.
Karapas just has that ability to not blow up. But I don't think there's much tactics behind it. It's just his nature. He just needs to attack and make it look spectacular.
It looks, I mean, it does look spectacular.
Doesn't go anywhere in G.C. groups because the firepower is too big. But where it does work is like get the tour when it isolates. Yeah. Yeah. Racoa riders who don't have the raw power of a G.C. rider.
Yeah. That's when it's really successful as we saw with this stage ones. Let's take a quick break. I'm going to ask you about this because somebody did get away. And you almost didn't notice them.
And I want to get your thoughts on it. We'll be right back.
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A rider does get away. You almost did not notice them attacking on this stage. Subcoose. Like how does that work? Is he just picking his spots better? Is he attacking at a less theatric pace that makes people think like,
"Ah, steps not going anywhere. We don't have to chase that." Like why did he get away at night carepaz? Yeah, first of all, the first attack was what I don't know about much. It was, the peloton was at 10 minutes when set coups attack.
“And I first thought, what's it? What the hell? Where are you going?”
Right? But then kind of pass catches him. They get called back and then, you know, when the group got bigger, where the riders came back and it was confusion, he got away. But apparently, he was all part of a plan. They did have four riders with my hat four riders in different groups up front.
And so it was an all or nothing move. I don't know exactly if the goal was to try to win the stage. I think that was the initial plan. But I think also, you know, they could not foresee that there was going to be all of a sudden 60 riders in front. And the gap was too big to win the stage.
But the set coup did an amazing ride, man.
And he went from 11 to 6th not to 5th in the game. It makes up, it makes up. Well, six minutes, it makes up six minutes, right? Don't know on all these guys. So he was, I mean, if he was dead at the end, it's normal. Because he could hardly keep the wheel of North Target anymore in the end, right?
But apparently, it was the plan. The plan was that they would have got riders in the break. And then set coups would try and attack. And of course, counted the fact that he's not a threat for 10th, 9th, 8th. But man, that worked out differently.
You know, first of all, because set coups obviously had a great day. And then the ones, the other ones, the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, they didn't have the legs. You know, like, even Oscar only and almost so. You know, they didn't have the power today to do anything against set coups with all these teammates. I mean, same thing again, Spencer, you know, when you see,
I was not for the victory of the stage or for the vote of a well-tapped victory, but World von Arte did kind of the same thing he did with Simon Yates. I mean, zero. Same thing. No, crazy.
Crazy. World von Arte is unbelievable. He's there on all terrains. First attacker of the day, kilometer zero.
And then it's crucial to that, you know, fifth place now of set coups.
I don't think you're fifth either. Well, at some point he involved in Arte was even trying to get the KOM from Ritzrago, which would have been incredible. I mean, he would have had to finish top five on that last climb. I didn't see that happening.
But still man.
“And anyways, I think World von Arte is not done yet.”
We'll talk about tomorrow in a bit, but I think the tomorrow will talk about it. Tomorrow and beyond potentially the rest of the month, I think. Yeah. I mean, I did. I did.
I was thinking like, is he going to get KOM? Because he needed to win. He got dropped in the pen ultimate climb. He had to win that.
Then get top five on the day.
Unlikely knowing what we know now, but at the time, you know, he had won two count ones. Like that's a freaking crazy dude. Like what is going on right now? And but Trago missed the move.
“That's how hard it was to get in the move.”
I mean, I mean, it's funny to on the final climb. You look at these time gaps. Subcuse six minutes ahead of the GC group. Oscar only didn't really lose any time. If anything, he almost gained time on those guys.
So that tells you, well, the arm is critical.
Because if Bob and I are, it's not up there. On least not jumping up the spots. Because it's, or, uh, Coos isn't jumping up the spots. Because it's not like, on Lee and Hormuzell are blowing up in the back. Yeah.
They were riding actually pretty well. They just didn't have a truck in front of them pulling them along. What did you think about? What do you think about these? I don't even like this term.
Satellite writers. The stashing writers up the road. It worked to varying degrees of success. Yeah. Moves start did it pretty well.
But what do you think about that decision for them to blow the race up as opposed to just keep everybody together? Well, I don't think, I don't think it was blowing the race up. I think, you know, that initially, because if you look, you know, the initial group of 14, you know, that it was four or five units, you know, ex,
one art was there and two red balls, you know. And then, uh, that's, so that's already, Movistar on the back foot, right? I mean, two red balls in front. That means, okay, maybe Primos has a plan.
You know, you don't know.
“Uh, I think the fact that they started to accelerate was to create separation and have two or three writers finally,”
also in a breakaway, which turned out to be the case. Because that was, you know, because you can't call it the breakaway. Because at some point, there was 64 writers ahead of the Peloton. But in those 50 writers behind that first group, where actually Landa then escaped from,
Movistar had three writers, which all three came in really handy later on. I think the fact that they started to accelerate was to create separation in the group and have another group going up the road with writers ahead. I think that was their, their, uh, you know, their objective. I have to say also today, you know, tactic wise.
Uh, red ball. I think they did a great job. They had four writers. At some point ahead of the Peloton of Favorites, you know, with the two guys in front and then two more guys in that second group.
Um, and that's great. If you have a plan, you know,
the question is, of course, always does the leader then have the legs to do that, right?
I mean, the setup was great. You know, at some point red ball had this numeric advantage, and they were setting a pace. Uh, but Primus, just, you know, when his last writer was done,
um, I don't know. I don't remember somebody took over.
“I think it was again that Juan Felipe Rodriguez from from EF.”
And you could see that when the moment Primus was supposed to go, he couldn't go and he had to go to the back. Uh, so, you know, great tactics of red ball, but Primus didn't have the legs to execute the plan.
But at least they tried, you know, uh, and hats off to him to defend that second place, you know, shows you how tough he is. He didn't have a great day. I saw him several times,
struggling like on the verge of getting dropped and still, you know, keeps fighting and keeps that second place with, with what, with 30 seconds now on, on Felix Galso. Yeah, not at the time. Yeah.
But anyways, I think, you know, tomorrow, nothing's going to happen in terms of G.C. But, uh, yeah, as expected Spencer, this is the podium.
Uh, and Rick Mas will win the, will win the World Cup.
Primus will probably be second and Felix Galso will be third.
And I honestly think that the three of them, are happy with that outcome. Yeah, I'd be especially with that. Primus, you might think, oh, he's, he said,
like, what does second mean to him, right? He won the win this, but from what we saw today, like, I was just impressed. He stayed in second.
I thought he looked kind of bad all day. I think that Finn Fisher Black was his last rider. He wouldn't retrospect, was probably very key, because he paced for a long time.
And then as soon as he was gone, Primus was pretty vulnerable, saves a second place by half a minute, basically maybe right under half a minute. So also, you know,
surprised a bit by by Felix Galso, finishes so strong, you know? Today he didn't, he didn't, I mean he even dropped Erik Mass. I'm going to guess Erik Mass,
you know, he kept his pace, added under control, he gained time on the second rider, which you know, that was his main rival.
Lus is a little bit of time, 18 seconds on Felix Galso, no problem, but it's the first time we've seen Erik Mass getting dropped on any climb in this world.
By, by one of his direct rivals. So it shows that, you know, everybody is at the limit and the end of their resources.
Did you not get dropped on,
like stage seven by Felix Gal.
Remember when Pagotcha attacked, and Gal went with him. And then Mass was in the group behind. So it was like Pagotcha. But yeah, yeah, yeah, wait.
I don't remember that. Goss, so Gal finished his 10 seconds in front of Mass on stage seven. Okay. But at that time,
Mass had not shown that he was particularly good at climbing at this race. And then he gets red. Yeah, he did. He did.
He thought he caught. Oh, yeah. He caught. He caught stage six. I think.
But I think the narrative, if I remember right, was like, well, he's pretty fortunate because then he's got a truck. You know,
he got a big advantage on those guys because he had Pagotcha with him on the flats. And then he won stage nine and it like flips the. Yeah,
But I know, but you know, on stage six, I went to the Bartolo. You know,
he did something there that we have not seen by almost anybody. The only guy who was able to do this at some point was finger garden. 2024, I guess.
“And the tour was 2025, I don't remember now.”
Nobody else has been doing that like coming back in on a big slide. I said in Rick Bos. Yeah. So in 2021 or whatever.
It's the first time you really saw him
in in problems compared to a direct rival, but you could ask the self the question, okay, is it physical? Or is it just okay? I stay in control.
I keep everything, you know, and Gale is not his direct rival. He's in third. So, you know, you could see that he came to the finish.
Super happy smiling. Knowing that. Okay. It's in the pocket. Crazy actually to think about it.
If you hit it again. Who would have thought this at the start in Monaco? That Henryk Mass would win and movie star would win the Vuelta?
And if you look at it, there's in the last what six, seven years. There's UAE. Visma.
And I think. Quick step with Ramko. No other teams have won grand tours. I think. You're missing one.
I'm not sure what. I'm not sure what.
That's really incredible.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. So, I mean, to be up there, movie star now with those five teams
“to win grand tours in the last seven years.”
That's. Yeah. Nobody would have thought this. Especially also. I wonder,
I wonder what will happen, Spencer. You know, we all saw the news that movie star as a company. Want.
Yeah. You know, they have a contract in place at 1229. Yeah. So they have to honor that contract.
But. Apparently there's been a change of CEO. The new CEO doesn't like cycling and once out. You know,
normally they can't get out. So the message is okay. We want out. So try to find a replacement. If we if there's a replacement.
So anyways, you know, the team and the team that the company that managed the team was the company of, of Sabio and Zoe, who is now,
it was 45 years in business, by the way. They're okay because they have these commitments. But I wonder if there's going to be a change now
“at the highest level in the company movie star.”
Because I would think, hey, you know, how can we not keep supporting this? You know, as you know,
we're a Spanish company in multinational. We win the tour of Spain. This is hugely popular for us. We have to bank it on this. We have to honor this, this commitments.
I wonder what will happen. I know. I was wondering about that too. And the teams in a bit of a, it's not a terrible position of being that you know
your title sponsor wants to leave is leaving in 2029. Yeah. You have to find a new sponsor. So presumably, you know,
as you're acting in the rug pole immediately, you can find a sponsor potentially that wants to be with you for the long term. Today, they not have a partner. I've noticed this.
It's like a, a rabbit of sports or something. They have, they have a Israeli company, which invested in sports.
Very wealthy individual, who also owns, I think, a big stake in analytical Madrid. Yeah.
Has other sports properties. And so, you know, if it would be needed. This guy alone would fund the team.
You know, or this company would fund the team. But of course, you know, if they can find,
and then they have movie star. So they can keep movie star to their contract. It's like, it's not that easy for a big company. Like,
movie star to not fulfill their obligations on that contract. So I think, I think the team is in a pretty good situation.
In that,
it's like a serious guy. He's not, it's not like,
“it's like about a team because I like cycling.”
He's like serious sports investors. Yeah. Yeah. In California. In this company.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm now a huge for the team. I mean,
I thought even after, so stage six, Moss finishes with forgot chair. Moss is dropped by going stage seven. I was saying,
if I looked at my private notes. You would not see me riding. Like, Inric Moss is going to win this welcome. I didn't see that come in really until stage nine.
So it is super impressive.
And big first home rider to win a grand tour in a decade.
Since Nebel in 2016. Yeah. So that's cool to see as well.
“Anything else about the stage you're on before we move on to tomorrow's stage?”
I mean, this has been a lot going on. But I think we in a nutshell, we covered, we covered most of what happened.
I had soft to all the riders who finished this stage. Man, I was suffering with them. Uh, Yeah.
That was one of the hardest stages I've seen in the last few years. Really, really had soft to them to to ride like this. And it was hot again. And at the end of three weeks to do this crazy.
Yeah. It was brutal. Actually, I think they probably with the heat. Best case scenario.
It's been. It's been. It was hot. But it's not like unbelievably hot. Yeah.
We'll be hot. But this could have gone poorly. But they got some like reasonably warm days that could have been scorching. But let's take a quick break. And then we'll talk about tomorrow's stage 21.
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Yohan, we are back predicting tomorrow's final stage. Stage 21. Car for Granada. I assume they're starting in a car for supermarket. And that's the sponsor of the title sponsor of the other two.
Got to take care of your title answer.
So Granada, they're going out of basically 112 kilometers long.
Warm hot in Granada. Like 30, my little thing here's telling me, 33 degrees at the start. 30 degrees at the finish probably because it finishes later in the day. It could be a lot worse. It's going to be a lot worse.
It's going to be a way worse. It's going to be hotter in the drip tomorrow. So, you know, they, uh, yeah. Formula 1 is going on, by the way, now in here in Madrid. Yeah, which is, which is why they're not finishing Madrid in Granada.
Which is, I kind of like, I like mixing it up. I mean, I, I, I love the, the Madrid finishes beautiful. It's a beautiful city. It looks great. I think this is, this is cool.
Like it's also weird to me when the zero does this a lot. Like you'll have a stage in for you on stage 20. And then you're finishing a row. I mean, it's so disconnected from the race. And it can feel inorganic.
So I'm quite excited for this stage. It's 112K, but the first 70K is a big loop, like around the outside of the city, like out in the countryside. Then you come into Granada for the final 40K. And it is three circuits or four, it's four circuits. Four circuits. So you can't, you do the climb four times.
The climb is not categorized, which is a little funky to me. Because it's too long at six percent. That's a hard climb. To finish yet, the finish of Granada, or it's not easy. It's not, you know. And the top of the final climb to the finish is seven and a half kilometers.
You know, it's a descent, fast descent, and then twisty through the city. And then a finish, so it could be quite interesting.
It's a harder climb than Mamantra.
And we've seen and a very exciting finish the last two years and say, Bab it down. Not too much. Babos don't, though. Not cobblestones. Not cobblestones.
“And how do you think this is going to play out, Johan, and who's going to win?”
Yeah. Well, first of all, Spencer, we need to talk about this.
You know, I just saw this coming on here. There is some kind of, you know what I'm going to say, not going to say protest, but it says the writers want the times of the GC neutralized for the stage. The organization wants the race to the final, including the four labs. And now the CPA, the writers, you know,
is trying to mediate and neutralize only the last lab. I mean, it's a bit ridiculous, no? Well, imagine the thing, they don't predict rain. It's not rain. Okay, might be an urban circuit, but I don't see. I think it's a bit influenced by what they did at the tour.
You know, the tour, they did the neutralization also on the circuits, because they were maybe expecting rain. It finally didn't rain. But, you know, why have a stage like this? Okay, I can understand the writers, you know, they, this is not, listen, nothing's going to happen in GC tomorrow. These guys, you know,
if they can't drop each other on these climbs, they're not going to drop each other on a two kilometer climb. So unless there's something really dangerous on that circuit, which I don't know right now,
“but I think it's, it should not be the case.”
I'm, I fear that something's going to happen because there's going to be too much pressure,
you know, it's not going to be your organization. I think it's finally the UCI.
I was going to have to step in and say, you know, what, in my opinion, you know, I would want the race to see go on like it is. Of course, if, if I put myself in a writer, and especially a guy who is, you know, fighting for his GC, whether it's the win or top three or top five or top ten even, I would take it if the times are neutralized, you know,
if it's what they want, they're all dead. So, you know, you don't want to lose, you know, your, your heart for place during three weeks for that last circuit, but I can't see any valuable reason to take this decision. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I, I don't, I get it. I, when you explain it like that, yeah, I can see why a writer would say like, well, it's a coup,
like I work my butt off to get fifth. I don't know what if Oscar, I think, it takes me to borrow. I don't want it. I don't want that. That would stink. But what's the reasoning exactly, especially when you start saying like,
“I'm going to find a lap, but like, why is the final lap getting neutralized?”
Like, what's, what's the actual logic of that? And it's search to break down and like, well, why wouldn't you as neutralized to 20? Like, what's the cut off here? Um, I do think it should be live time. I don't get it like, Volta Catalonia, they don't, they, they race the final circuit with live time, right?
Yeah, yeah, neutralized that. Like, so I don't get it. There's nothing. There's nothing yet. There's nothing yet here for the moment that has changed. Uh, so, you know, they're debating about it. We'll see. Well, I guess here's my now tomorrow during the stage. My guilty, well, like, like, my guilty admission, though,
is I kind of like it when the times are neutralized because it strips away the path, and you just get like, it's a laboratory for the stage win. You don't have as many people clogging the road up. You just get to, like, you know, with like, well, in our, like, that group when he dropped Pugachar in 2025 with the tour,
like, that was so good or it just shrinks the group. So you almost get more pure racing on the circuit. You're only up here if you're trying to win the stage. And it's less, yeah, about existing. It stays like tomorrow, those plans are, you know,
two, four times, Duke alum in a climb. Don't you want to see the GC guys trying? Yeah, just imagine, just imagine right now, for example. So Felix Gaul is now 30 seconds behind Rimos. Yes.
You know, maybe Felix Gaul say, hey, you know what? I'm feeling great. Roglic is dead. I wouldn't try. How far is Oscar only behind Cepcus 45 seconds?
You could say, hey, Cepcus is dead from his,
you know, because he's dropped on the first climb, you know?
You know, I may try to get it back and get back and fifth. You know, there are still things. Anyways, I'm just speaking, I'm thinking out loud now. I'm pretty sure that tomorrow, if you would ask any GC rider, is it, are you okay if we neutralize the times?
They can say, yes, please.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it just simplifies your, your life. And you said, everyone's so proud of you. I don't know.
“I think independently of whether the times are neutralized or not,”
I think this has this, this has one name written all over this stage. And it's WVA, Walvanart, although he did a huge effort today, but I think tomorrow, Walvanart should win this stage. Stage number three. Stage number eight for this month or five.
I think it's eight or nine. Eight, I think. I think it's eight. Yeah, and that would be eight out of 20 stages. I don't know.
I mean, there's just an eye. I may be ever all maybe there's other riders who could win, but I think Walvanart has some legs, man. It's unbelievable. I think Walvanart's main competition is Matthew Brennan.
Does Matthew and get dropped on these climbs? Yeah. I don't know. Today he was impressive. He was super impressive.
I mean, he did an amazing job when he was called, writing there for subconscious.
That's crazy. It was crazy. I mean, I guess if I was going to pick a one rider to be fatigued from that, it's probably not the Neil Pro. Second year pro in his first grand tour.
“Like how's he going to lose a big effort for him to get up the road and do that?”
I mean, this is a hard climb. I do think it's worth an hour. I would say if it's not well of an hour, I could see Matthew Brennan wellness. Yeah. Because if it comes down to his friend, who's going to beat him in a sprint?
Yeah. The more I think about this, you know, you could imagine a GC rider hitting 2K. It's 6% not easy. You can imagine it. If someone like what if you're not positioned over the top and you get dropped.
And then you don't catch back on. I mean, he can actually talk about Richard Karabas doing in one of his spectacular rocket launchers. Yeah, 1500 watts at the top of the climb. I mean, you could imagine someone getting tailed off during that.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did he win a state. He didn't win a stage, no?
Or did he? He did not win a stage. Okay. I believe. Yeah.
I mean, he's going to carry it. The problem Karabas has is he's going to go for it. Yeah.
He's going to look a lot less powerful on the circuit than he is.
Yeah. You know. Yeah. When he's attacking all out, well, Vanard could be like in the saddle on his wheel. Yeah.
You know, the things with Karabas also is not he's he's a master in doing this spectacular attacks, but usually the speed of the group. He's in a slow as it's quite low when he does. Yeah.
“You know, so that's why it looks such a such a big difference in speed.”
I'm going to pick Vanard as well. I think this is this is about stage. Is there a veteran who's not top 10 and like a two years that we should pick? Like, like, then Chenzoh Albanese is going to win tomorrow. Like, what's the next guide to win here?
I don't know. Last time they finished he was it was off for a big mountain stage. Actually was out of the eights winning the stage. Interesting. I remember.
Yeah.
I remember when I was at an amazing climb and then lost some ideas.
Yeah. Actually, if you wanted to keep with the theme, Magnus court would be the pick. I was going to say Magnus court. Magnus court. There's a stage for him.
Yeah. He was he was also good today. He was there for a long time. Yeah. He was in that first group.
Yeah. Yeah. I would say Magnus court. What a what a team. What?
I mean, that was unbelievable. I know. Some some demonstration of, you know, power as a team today. Well, it's also shows that that didn't come to them, right? Like they planted that.
They broke it up on the flats before the climb. Like they come into these stages so focused. Yeah. Like, hey, let's get out there and try to win the stage. Like, they've got a plan for these to win these stages.
It's super impressive. Super. Yes. Love that team. Okay.
We'll see. We'll see what happens. So we're going to be a bit later tomorrow, right? Because the stage starts late in the afternoon. Again.
Great timing. I guess it's also because of the conflict with the formula one and stuff. But man, starting a stage in Granada, I think. What 30 in the afternoon is like, what? What?
It can easily start at noon. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. It's not an insignificant amount of time in the sun.
You know, 112 kilometers can be out there for a little bit. Yeah. But yeah. We'll be back after the stage tomorrow. And, uh, talk to you soon, y'all, huh?
