#665 - Jeff Bridges

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that's Mountain Dew.com. Today's guest is a legendary actor, the Big Lebowski, true grit, crazy heart, if you haven't seen that one. Tron, many more, he's got a new movie, Minions and Monsters.

It's in theaters July first, I had quite a time with today's guest, Mr. Jeff Bridges.

They're getting my right specs, you might be too far away for these.

“No, what you got close to, you got 2.5s, what are you rocking?”

No, these are prescriptions, these are my reading glasses, but let me say, let me say, here you go for this, that's a reading. Just give me one pair, don't wear it, you don't get a bow. I think I go for the other one, man. Let me see, I'm looking.

Oh, no, not bad, but yeah, this is better, okay. Nothing, I don't want to pick a wife out with those on, you know. Are you getting close? I mean, I'd like to be there. Yeah, I'd like to be, but sometimes it's out of your control, you know?

Anything close? I think I've been close, man, and I just wasn't like, just like my heart wasn't in the right spot, my brain wasn't. I was touring a lot, and I wasn't ready to like, I had 2 wheels out of town, you know? She kicked you to the curb where you kicked her, or a little boat.

Yeah, I've had them, they've all kicked me, they've all had a certain point kicked me, but I deserve to be kicked. Yeah, yeah, I know it's true, it's tough, I resisted it as long as I possibly could. You did? Yeah.

Well, even though we just had our 49th anniversary, man, oh, yeah, really a good one. I scored, man. Yeah, how do you score that down there? I was making movie called Rancho Deluxe in Montana, and we're shooting in this place called Chico Hot Springs, but they used to do brain surgery there a hundred years ago.

It's like a hot spring place.

“They're sure warm water, that's why I want to be cut open.”

Exactly, man. Yeah. And I'm sitting there in this hot tub with Harry Dean Stanton on one side, and Sam Waterstone on the other. And we're doing a scene, and I look across, and I see this gorgeous girl with two black

guys in the broken nose, and that juxtaposition of that disfigurement in the beauty, you know, part of the trouble with these interviews like this is I've done a bunch now, as I end up telling the same story. Oh, they tell the story. Okay.

But it's one of my favorite stories, so I don't mind, but it feels a little funny because I told it so often, you know, so I think I imagine people say, they'll tell them, fucking story, man.

So you know, I can talk about love and tell you, so you're sitting in a tub, first of all,

with two men. Oh, oh, oh. And I'm going to show you something. I think I got it. I usually don't have the thing that goes along with it.

“But I think I got it in my satchel here.”

So I'm sitting in there with two guys, Harry Dean Stanton, Sam Waterstone, see this gorgeous girl with the broken nose and two black guys, I finally get up my nerve to ask her out. Now, you know, asking somebody out, you know, it's tough, isn't it, man? Oh, it's hard to get your nerve because you're nerve, someone that feels like it starts at your feet and you've got to get it all the way up your body.

And I'm young.

Yeah, I'm virulent, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm unpracticed, you know. Yeah, I'm rehearsed. Unrehears.

“And I go up there and I say, would you like to go out with me, maybe have dinner or something?”

No. Oh, I say, really? She said, yeah, it's a small town, maybe I'll see you around, you know, and her prophecy proved true. And at the rap party of this movie, she showed up and we danced and that was the

done deal. Now, we cut 30 years later, we're married, have three kids and I'm going through my male on my desk and I get this letter from the makeup man on the show where I met this, my, now, wife, wow, and he says, I was going through my files. And I found something that might interest you, it's you talking to a local girl.

So I have a photograph that I'm going to show you right now. I think I have it. Let's see it, huh?

This is a shot of the first words ever spoken between my wife and my son.

Oh, that's it. Hi, we're a glyphalove. It's a wild thing. Yeah, of course. Right.

Yeah, thank you, bro. So this is a, and this is my prize possession. Let me see if I can find it, oh my. Get that thing out. This is a two shot.

Here is the moment, and you can see, look at the look of my favorite. I'm totally cold cocked here, man. Look, would you like to go out with me? No, click the pictures taken, there it is, man. Oh, you are smitten.

Oh, how, even from a side angle, you can see, I'm done that. It's over, you know, full smith, you know, huh? And so, but I resist it because, you know, we don't want to lose our autonomy, man. We'd like to, you know, and there's so many beautiful girls all over the place. But do you think, even while you're saying that, so do you think, thank you for showing

me that and congratulations, too, man. Um, yeah, I'm just having love for that long, you know.

“I think people sometimes don't think that when they get into a relationship, what they do”

get out of it, if they work it well, as they get love. Well, you know, people forget about that part of it. I mean, they may also get other stuff, too. But um, but do you think, like, that that's one of the things that keeps a guy from asking a woman out sometimes is the fear of losing their autonomy, without even thinking

about that. That's what, yeah. So, because you usually think it's just general fear, right?

Because I never thought about it like that, like we were saying, like, 'cause

I think about, oh, I'm like, I feel like if I'm going to ask you a lot of, like, okay, I'm nervous, right? I've never thought that the nerves are really just like a deep internal, like, it's your autonomy showing up and be like, 'No, we're going to lose it. You think that could be true?'

Oh, absolutely. That's what it was with me. You know, I mean, my, you know, prime, you were prime, right? I mean, I was, you know, my career was on the rise, all these beautiful women around. And I felt it was literally like the cartoon where the eyes go out.

You know, I was boom, I love it at first sight. And it was frightening to feel like that. Yeah. But, and so I was torn. And what I, you know, the high that we're looking for, I find it, and when I'm looking

for is intimacy, right?

“That's what, and that's what marriage, that's the playing field of intimacy, you know,”

you can commit it for the whole shot and you say, and I'm just lucky that I found somebody who's, I'm so attracted to, and the intimacy seems to grow. But, you know, what you, your question triggered, you know, we, we've been, we lived together for about three years, and it was on the table off again. And, uh, she says to me, hey, I know you love me, and, uh, and that you have a bouleot.

No, a bouleot is a disease mental disorder that my mother used to tell me, which I've had hard time making decisions, you know. Oh, yes. You're slightly joking with me, both my mom and my wife, so I know you have a bouleot. But I'm going to go back up to Montana where you found me, because my biological clocks

going off. Wow. You know.

And, uh, I finally worked up, I guess it was courage, I don't know what it was.

I know I prayed on the thing, I got down on my knees and said, okay, Mary, you know, and I had this image of a handful of sand, there was one little diamond in there, and that was sue, you know, and if I can't let that diamond go, and I gave myself a caveat,

Oh, yeah. So, that was my caveat. Now we cut about a week later, because Susan's window went and get married. I said, oh, how about this weekend, because I don't know how long I can hold this thing, yeah.

That's a good point. A lot of people put the wedding way too far out. Oh, man, that dove was in torture. So we invited a bunch of our friends over to our little house up in Malibu up in the hills there, and to get married.

Now we cut to Maui, uh, the seven sacred pools, we have our honeymoon there, and I'm looking at this gorgeous scenery, but all I can do is smell the rotting man goes, man, I'm a pouting car. Yeah. And she goes, what's wrong?

You're not saying nothing, she goes, oh, let's en all this, I said, no, no, no, not just bad fruit. Yeah. Oh, and I, she put up with that shit for years.

“Really just that bad, just recognizing the, recognizing the rotting man goes, huh?”

I feel that bro.

Oh, oh, and thank God she didn't kick me to the curb and that I finally got with the

program. I said, no, but he fooled me. What made you get with the program? Well, the, you know, I've mentioned intimacy, you know, you get so intimate, you go through so many bad times and good times and every time he goes, you have tough time.

You either set, you know, you give it up or you, your love and intimacy and connection have to grow to hold that weird thing that was threatening it. One thing you said, it was like, you're like, I had like a handful of sand and there was like one diamond in it. It's crazy how many times in our lives.

I mean, and really I'm just speaking for myself, I think, and I don't want to speak fifth, I'm like a negative or like down or place, but there's been times in my life where I've had a handful of sand and like one diamond that was like a special person and I chose

“and I chose the sand, but sometimes I think it was fear, it was like, well, as we're talking”

about the metaphor, it's not so much choosing the sand for me, but it was, I'm gonna choose this handful of sand, sand being all the bullshit, yeah, because there's a diamond in it. So I said, okay, I'm gonna take, you know, it was a, I'm so, it was an unconscious decision on that side. Although, I, you know, I felt it was so strongly that I gave myself that caveat, which

is a weird thing to go into a marriage thing, you can always get a divorce, man.

But it's a, it's a, it's not a bad call. Yeah, I guess not, man, but it's unique, it worked. It worked. If it lasted this long, was there one of, like, was there like a more pressing moment that came in?

Like, yeah, what's, because one of my friends, I was talking with Jared Leto, he and our buddies who met at the UFC fights, and I was just randomly messaging him and I said, hey, I'm gonna be talking with you at Bridges, and he said a lot of nice things, and then he said, yeah, how was he had so much luck in love, like, how, why does he think his marriage lasted so long?

“It's like, yeah, were, are there, like, yeah, like, what was one of the tougher moment?”

Like, that you had to evolve, because it sounds like, you're saying you get to these moments, and you either choose to kind of evolve, and it adjusts like the volume of your like intimacy, or you choose not to, um, well, and a lot of us choose not to at times, you know, because if you'll say for, yeah, well, there's something that I call, what do I call

what, uh, our primal battle, our primal war that we have, and it's basically, you don't

get it, you don't get what it's like having a relationship with somebody like you, you don't get it, you don't understand me at all, and there's such truth in that, because none of us really know the other person, really, you know, and what we'll do, we've started doing this in the air, if it's happened now, it's the years going less and less, and I kind of almost miss it, and you just happened recently, I said, oh, good, we get to do it again.

We'll sit a little closer than we are here and facing each other, and we'll take turns, you know, whoever wants to go first and go first, and the person just says all their feelings, and the other person just listens, they don't think of their rebuttal, they just, their task is to just receive what that person, get it, get it, intimacy, man, try to get that, get that, all the feelings about them, about everything, about everything, got it, and

we've tried not to use, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you mess, we've tried to say, this is how I feel, this is what I said. And then the other person does their side, and the other person listens, and we go back and forth. That often really scratches the edge in a beautiful way, sometimes it doesn't, but it's really

I'm going through, and marriage is a great, like a playing field or a, you know, a game board

to really explore all of those, those emotions that are so real for all of us, you know, because we're all separate people, right, but we're similar in that we're human beings, and we have feelings. Yeah, and that's the closest we get, I mean, that's one of the closest relationships that you have.

“I think to be able to do that with any relationship is pretty cool, but to really look”

at, to look at love as like a playing field, to look at like a relationship with someone else's like a playing field, and let's try this out, like let's try out some things to see, like just how brave can we get with like our vulnerability or with learning about ourselves? It's pretty cool. Right, that's right.

And they used to have these things in tribes, like in certain tribes, I don't know which there's one I'm thinking of specifically, but they would have these kind of dance off things like partners would, and they would try to like, like, they would dance in front of each other, like kind of process their energy towards each other's kind of fascinating. So I kind of related to something like that.

Well, also, you know, saying it's like a playing field or a place to practice relationship, you know, and I find it overflows into my work and making a movie or just being here with you, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed I was like, there's the same thing now, I would think what you do, and I'm not

as familiar as I might have been with what you're up to, but I googled you, you know, before I showed up to dance, and God, look at this, guys really into some great interview. I saw your interview with Mike Tyson. Oh, yeah. Why?

It was wild dude. Dude, he was out of his mind, but he was also, he was also the most in his mind. Exactly. He took N and Louis C. K. Oh, he's one of my heroes.

So you had some great, and you get intimate on these things, and that, when you finally

find a girl or a guy who ever went to England to connect with him that deep way, I hope it's a woman. Hey, you know, if it's a guy, I'm going to be shocked, but if they like, yeah, if it's an arranged marriage and it's a guy dude, I'm going to be, I'm going to email my mom, but

“yeah, dude, you know, I like talking about stuff like that, and it's important.”

And some of these people like Louie's one of my dearest friends in the world, he's one of the deepest people I've ever met in my life. So yeah, I got to be at a, I went to a party recently and him and Bob Odin, Kirk, where there. If you ever met, got to meet Bob Odin.

No, but I admire him. Yeah. He's it. And he was just like, and they were talking, dude, and I just got to sit here and listen to them.

Oh, it was like, yeah, that was something pretty special. But yeah, it is interesting, like, because this is the playing field that we get, you know, as soon as we forget that this is like, whatever it is, like, whatever, like, God has intended or the world or the energies of what, like that put us here to we have this like, like a fish coming to like the edge of the glass and being able to like see just, just get like

a peek out into the universe. This is it. Yeah. So all the things that we want to do, we have to try them over here, even if it's scary, even if it's hard, you know?

Oh, yeah. And don't you find, I don't know about you, but I'm addicted to comfort, man. I like to be comfortable. Yeah. And the problem with comfort, it may be not even a problem.

It's kind of both the problem and solution. When you're comfortable, you're not growing, you know, you just relax and being comfortable. It's a coffin, man. It's a kind of like, yeah, it's a coffin. It's cozy.

And all these little challenges of life and I resist these like marriage, man. I resist this shit because I don't like to be challenged. I don't want to be uncomfortable. Yeah. But I notice everyone's normal, I'll do these experiments on myself and I say, okay,

you feel this way. Now, what do you just go against that and do something adventurous and challenging, you know? And see what happens. Just to fuck around, you know?

So I'll do that on the other side of that 99% of the time I say, wow, I got off. Man, that was cool. Yeah. I'm something other than I thought I was, I didn't think I could do that. I know.

Isn't that wild thing?

“Yeah, we forget that like this is a school, I think.”

We forget that this is a school, you know, and you kind of just get used to the recess. Yeah. I know.

I never went to college, but I thought, gee, I think I'll put my, I'll be the dean of my own college.

I'm going to put my, you know, I didn't do it to the degree that I want to do, you know. To give myself assignments, you know? You play guitar? No, I don't. But I, you know, I play guitar, but I think I should take more of my friends who did

But I could put myself through, you know, a college course of guitar, it's all online.

There's so much stuff online.

“Well, it seems like you've done a good job with kind of like nurturing your creativity”

over time, you know? And because you stay active with like, I saw like a lot of the, and it's one thing that Louis C. K does, too, is he's a, he's a great sculptor, people don't know that. And I don't know if he cares if I share that or not, but like you'll go to his, to his apartment. And he has like, all these crazy sculptures that he's made.

And it just, it just like, he reminds me of like, just creativity, it's not stuck in one spot. It's not your just this. That you can use it in different ways. You can also try to see if it sticks in different ways.

It's like throwing like a spaghetti like, you know, of yourself against the wall of like the world or the universe, but you seem to have done that a decent amount like music, acting. And with also, I've seen some of your, can you even bring them up next, some of the sculptures that you have. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. My heads. Yeah. Yeah. I make, you know, do a pot or something.

And then I always have a little piece of clay left over.

And I just let my hands go and say, you know, and they come up with these heads, man. I don't know, the aspects of myself or what the hell they are. But that guy definitely, I'm going to say it was Italian at one point. But yeah. Beautiful group there.

“I think you've been these are you to give these away for charity or something?”

Um, or do you just, do you prize them? Because I guess they're like, they're kind of pieces of you in a way. Well, they were for, it's sort of a semi abandoned project. I say semi because I still may kick this project off. It's kind of dear to my heart.

It was a project called Head for Peace. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I look already. I support you.

Yeah. I don't want head for peace. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

I will be the lieutenant governor of the project or whatever. Yeah. I'll be on the front lines of Head for Peace. It was for, I got a very tight with a cat named Bernie Glassman. You know that guy at all, does that mean wearing a belt?

No. So he's a Zen master. He was. He's no longer with us. And I was at a party with, you know, Rome dosis?

Yes. So I give it. It was Rome dosis birthday. Talk to him. And what do you even get?

Yeah. So I go, well, this is what I get. Rome, I can't call you Rome.

I always wanted to give you a little head, man.

Okay. My ass. I mean, you looked at me at a straight and that guy sent to my left was this like, a little Jewish guy, you know, and he goes, hi, I'm Bernie Glassman, like, oh, yeah. And he says, I really dug La Basque man, and I say, oh, yeah, and I say, oh, yeah.

And he says, yeah. He says, I'm a Zen master. I don't know if he actually said Zen master, but he may be so I'm really into Buddhism or something. But he turns out this guy was a heavy Zen master.

“And he says, La Basque, it's filled with Zen cones, you know what a cone is?”

Like, you know, what is the sound of one hand clapping? That's kind of a thing. Okay. So it's like a question that you don't have a certain answer. So you just have to kind of give you a Viper trigger something to you, you know, let's

see that real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Zen cones is a short paradoxical story or dialogue used in Zen Buddhist practice, rather than riddles to be logically solved.

They are meant to exhaust the rational mind, allowing the practitioner to break free from the habitual binary thinking and experience reality directly. Some examples are the sound of one hand clapping. Yeah. Yeah.

So the perfect great definition of thought it. So Bernie says, yeah, I really dug La Basque, he says, it's filled with modern day cones. And I'm all about bringing Buddhism up to speed with modern day times. I said, what do you mean it's filled with modern day cones?

He says, well, look who wrote and directed it. The cone brothers. Oh. And I say, I love it. And I say, what's another example?

He says, yeah. Because that was a minute. That was pretty minute. Yeah. So that's very budistic right there.

I say, give me another one. He says, well, my favorite one is that's just like your opinion, man. That's it. And that is it. That's my favorite one.

At least he came with three. If he'd only had one. Oh, no. He goes on. I say, give me a shut the fuck up, don't you?

That's another one. You know, they're just, it didn't even filled with these things. And I said, that's pretty good. He says, yeah, let's write a book, man. I say, what do you mean?

He says, yeah, we'll write a book about this. You into it. And I thought about it. And I got such a hit from this guy.

Yes.

Some people are fascinating.

“It's like meeting a cool pet in the street.”

You just boom. Yeah. You keep patting it. Yeah. And so we got into who's we went up to Montana for a week or two and wrote this book

called The Dude and the Zen Master. Oh, you got it up with there. There's burn. Let's go. Yeah, man.

And what happened to him? What happened? He passed away. He died. Yeah.

I've just, you know. You know, he could have faked it and he could be in Barbados. But this guy, I would advise your viewers to check him out. You can go, you know, you can Google hell out of him. He's got so many wonderful books.

Bernie Glassman. Bernie Glassman. It could have been an infinite circle of instructions to the cook. He was so great. Oh, anyway, getting back to the heads.

So I had this weird idea because I got very involved with his organization called the Zen Peace Makers. And we've been in a lot of time with him like were you like, you guys have a weekly or daily practice.

“You know, I didn't really, like were you becoming a Buddhist like that's what I'm, you”

know, I've, in my spiritual reality, you know, I could be could talk about that. You know, this, that's a whole kind of a, I'm interested in all kinds of spiritual stuff. Since I was a kid raised, you know, I guess Christian point of view. But Bernie and I, I don't know, my, I was, I think the word guru that kind of sticks in my car, I just thought of him as, as a deer wise friend, man, that really, I got so much out of,

and anyway, he had this organization called, and it's still going on called Zen Peace Makers. And my idea with these heads, I was going to make a hundred and eight heads that numbers significant and Buddhism and a lot of relations, religions. But I would rent these heads for $10,000 a year. I've rented a little head before, but it lower price.

I would put him in a little box and, and basically it was like swag for people who wanted

to support the Zen Peace Makers, you know what I mean? Now along with the head, the person would get a certificate, you know, you'd get the thing about, hey, let me give you a little hat, you know, you'd get to say that joke to your friend.

“You could pass the head on to other people, and there would also be a website that would”

talk about the genealogy of the head, who had the head, you know, I just went, my fantasy, I just went way up out there. It's like cabbage past dolls kind of all that, yeah, yeah. And I don't know, but it's still in the works. I still have a, but then I got hit with this flood up here and all the heads got lost, and

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“And I'd say, oh wow, they're my favorite, interesting song, and I think my song starts writing a song,”

and I get mad at myself, because I think it's supposed to be studying, you know. But like you said, talking about, you know, you have creative, you're creative person. It doesn't all just focus in one line. I find when I'm in a creative mode, a shake up that juice and all kinds of creative things drawing, you know, I was doing a movie with Peter Weir, wonderful movie.

He invited me to do called Fearless. I put an architect, go through a playing crash, and I said, I think I'm going to go out and buy a bunch of art supplies as this character, and paint as this character. I ended up, you know, papering my hotel room and just going at it, next morning at breakfast with Peter, I said, look what happened last night, because oh, well, that's going to be in

the movie, man. You know, he's right, do a song. Oh, that's in the movie, you know, we'll put that in the movie. So just create, just being creative, just creating. Yeah, remember Robert DeVall, wonderful actor, I got to work with a movie called Crazy

Hardy played my best friend of that. Hey, play the bartender. And he played a bartender. That's one of my favorite movies. He was so wonderful to work with, and he said, you know, when I meet with young actors

and when they ask me to get me advice, he's a three things I'll tell you. Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies, develop hobbies, you know. Yeah, I feel like it. You know, you know, it all goes into the, into the word, you know. Yeah, sometimes I feel like, yeah, I got so busy working that I don't even have any parts

of myself anymore. Does it make any sense? Robby, do you have a hobby? I don't really have any. You don't have one hobby, man.

Think about it. I mean, I like to go to the UFC fights. Yeah, well, that's a hobby. Do you, I do a martial artist at all? No, I used to take some classes, but I haven't taken them recently.

“I think I was just touring a lot and recently things just stopped like about a month and a”

half ago. And so it's kind of the first time where I feel like I'm just kind of looking around and being

like, okay, well, who am I, you know, like cool, my, like, I've always just been kind

of my work. I haven't always just been my work, but I realize it's somewhere along the way. Like, I let that just be me who I was. Does it make any sense? Yeah, I mean, for my point of view, looking at you, this is kind of your hobby.

Kind of what you do here. You've combined your work and your hobby. Yeah. So closely, it seems like that you just like to engage and, yeah, that's true. Well, I think my hobbies became jobs.

Like doing stand-up comedy. I guess was kind of a hobby at first and then podcasting. I guess was sort of a hobby. Yeah. Then they mature and they become not hobbies anymore, but yeah, real things.

But I would like to do gardening. I would like to go on more walks.

“I think I want to go do some camping this year, I want to, um, what else?”

I'd like to be in a server, whatever. Do you serve? You know, I don't serve, but I wouldn't mind maybe going to Costa Rica. I think it's pretty easy to learn down there. Yeah, it would be cool.

So maybe I'll do that. What about, um, ceramics? You ever mess around with clay? No, I haven't really done it. You might dig that, man.

Yeah, man. Yeah, cool. Yeah.

The guitar is a great, never too late, man.

It's just so easy because the, where you, you know, it's just pictures of where you put your fingers, those dots and you just do that. Oh, dude, I'll tell you this. I did love playing the guitar for a little while. Well, then you do do it.

Yeah. So I need to get back to it. You're right. You made my picks up like that. Yeah, and you've got it already.

It's kind of like a bike. I mean, can you play a D, a G, and you know, you can play three chords. I can play Bobby McGay did. You know, man, well, then you're there. Nothing left to lose.

Oh, I can get us there, you know, man, my, my, my gay, and that the song, that, I, I, I, I can't. I can't. Dude. Bro, I'll tell you a story.

So I used to lose my buddy's dad when I was in school, because I had a little bit of

And so my buddy's dad got wiener pills, right, when they first came out, right?

“Because people didn't know they were coming out, remember?”

Everybody's just staying in the round. They're wieners weren't working. Yeah. And then bam, they came out. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And so I went and live with my buddy's dad, dude, right? Because I could post, I could like kind of cough some of his script, because he could get him dude. But anyway, while I was there, I was learning the guitar, and he used to have this girl

over, and they would like lay him bed together, like post coiters, or whatever, after, you know, in the evening, and they'd invite me in there and I'd play tears in heaven, form. I'd learn to play. See, you do do it, man, that's one of the challenges that we let some of these hobbies atrophy, man, when you just, you know what I mean, I mean, that's, I'm talking to myself now.

I mean, like guitar, music is kind of a hobby with me. Oh, yeah, notice that.

I mean, everybody's a little kick in and then get pro for a second and then it kind

of wands. And the season of interest, it's interesting to me how we have these seasons. Like when it kind of flares up, but I think it is nice, I will say this, it's nice, even here and you say some of this Jeff, it's like, there's value in keeping things warm on the on the stove, because then when you need it, it's there, you know, it's true.

I think, because yeah, even when I look back at like certain times of my life then, like even just being able to sit there and have something to do with myself and my energy and my thoughts, that felt good to me, like in a real place, like in a real deep place, it felt good, like there was a lot of value in that. Yeah, there's a weird thing that pops in my mind about passion, you know, we're saying,

well, if I had passion to play the guitar and that would lead me to, I need to get passion to dish it, you know. And then somebody said, and this made sense to me, no, the passion is the fire you get when you rub two sticks together, the passion doesn't happen before you do that. Right, if you're standing around with two sticks, you're going to get in there and just say,

“I'm going to pick up the guitar and you play the thing and you have to have a couple”

of you. Oh, well, now this thought, you know, because it's this thought of, you know, when we're creative and in the sweet spot, it's doing you, you're not doing it, you know, that feeling, it feels like it's on the other side of like the mirror of existence. And if you kind of do your thing, it'll show up and make you a man right, but you've got

to show up. Yeah, you got to show up, you know, they say in like, I'm in some recovery programs and they say that you can't think your way into right action, but you can act your way into right thinking. Yeah.

And I think it's the right way. What you're saying, and it's like, yeah, I can't sit there and think like this is going to be perfect when it's like, I just have to make the win, make the start and then the rest of it will meet me there. They can tell you make it.

Yeah, it's another. It's the one of this thing. What a great, I want to say religion, but you know, I'll call it an honest and all of those 12 step things. What a wonderful religion, man, what a wonderful.

One of the best ever I think. Oh, God. This is a great idea. Yes, some of those people are like, do you go to church and I'm like, I go to church son, but I go to, if I go to recovery meetings, that's like four or five times a week

that I'm joining up with other guys. Let's see what's going on getting outside of myself, you know, connecting with the higher power. It's like a man. It's like the military for like probably having a relationship with yourself and

a higher power and others, I think. So much, so much good is come out of it and what we're popped in my mind was it's got so much room. You know, I think the two of us at Bob, who's the other guy, Bob, he had Dr. Bob and I Bill, yeah, Bob, Bill, don't build up even Dr. Bob.

Yeah, one was the real religious kind of guy and that first, was it the first thing of how you're a power higher above the, than yourself, right, a power greater than yourself. Yeah, and then yourself. And that's so challenging to a lot of people, but the other guy kind of softness doesn't have to be God, the white guy appearing with you.

No, is anybody other than you? It says. Just anything else, you know. I know it's amazing that two people got together and made and created that. I mean, they had so much other stuff that that made it happen, but it's, it's absolutely

fascinating. There's a great movie.

“I think it's James Woods who played Bill, do you know, is that a good one?”

Oh, yeah. That's my favorite one, I think. I just saw, I think it's James Woods. We look, is that who it was? Do you remember?

I think it was. I think it was.

But I never, I don't remember seeing it.

James Woods. Joe Beth Williams and James Garner. Yeah, that one I think was my favorite one. Have you seen Anthony Hopkins? Did you dig Anthony Hopkins?

He's pretty great. I just read his autobiography.

I think you might really dig it. He's in recovery meetings. He's open about it. That's the only reason I say that. Yeah.

And I saw this thing. You can see it online. I thought it was him just sharing and a meeting, but I said, well, that's weird.

“Because there are anonymous, but I think it was a movie about him playing a character.”

But it was referred, he referred to this exact same thing in his book. So he was in-proving in a movie.

But he talks about being sober now for 50 years, whenever it was, when it first got sober,

he said, he was driving and he blacked out. Yeah. He killed himself, got to kill other people, and he said, I got to go check myself and do a meeting. So he went to an AA meeting and he started hearing all that God's stuff.

He said, I can't take it in the guy's talking the story, so I can't take it. He's leaving his fellow up, starting, who's a priest. This guy's starting to say, well, he going, so I said, no, I can't dig this shit, man. I can't dig it. He says, I need a quick fix, man.

I need to, something that snapped me out of it. Catch me up. And the guy says, I didn't give you a quick fix. It's the fastest prayer in the world and it's guaranteed to work. It's only two words.

Don't you say, well, what is it? He says, I'll tell you the prayer, are you ready? Fuck it. You know, fuck it. You're fucking shit.

You know what I mean? Stop this shit, just, you have the power to say. Fuck it. Don't take it, shoot them seriously, just stop it, you know, you don't have to do it, you know.

Yeah. And I love that coming out of, you know, thinking of that priest, out of a priest. And that idea, the idea of just, hey, you know, my mom, you don't have to do it anymore. That's what he's saying. Yeah, fuck it.

Yeah, fuck it. You're fucking, or, you know, or fuck your struggle, right? You fuck all you. Oh, I can't just live this, right? You're big story about it.

You're fucked. Yeah, man. Dude, it's so funny. Say it, because I've been, that's it. That's right, Ryan.

I'm like back at that place, sometimes in our life right now, where I like, I go down the struggle road. It's like, you're right. Fuck it. Just get your ass off, get your shit done, and get on to doing the things that you

need to be doing. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Sometimes, bro, the craziest thing is like, it's, sometimes you don't want to have

to be the person to come to your own rescue again, right? It's like, that's life.

“It's like, you have to be the person to come to your own rescue.”

But even, even that is just me, it's a more that same story. It's more the thing. It's like, it's like, adding all this lore to it. It's like, just, just fuck it. Just do this shit I need to do if I want to get better.

And I remember this, I appreciate it saying that, bro. I need to hear that. Oh, no. Check out, just Google, Anthony Hopkins, fuck it. Yeah.

And this will come up. I mean, he doesn't so well, it's wonderful acting. He owes me a good story.

The first movie I ever saw.

He's a good guy for your show, and I bet he'd come on. I've heard him speak at meetings actually. Oh, he's so good. Yeah. But he owes me a good story because the first movie I ever saw was, uh,

sounds the lambs and it scared me. So fucking bad. Right. Yeah. That I couldn't even go first fall to a petting zoo or go to sleep for almost 11 months.

Jonathan Demi, man, what a great, you know, terms of endearment. Yeah. Yeah. Or what about stop making sheds? I don't see that.

“Fucking heads of you talking heads, fend you like you're talking heads?”

No, don't like him. I don't know about him. I've heard of them. Oh, man. You got to check out David Bern, all his stuff is cool, but stop making sense.

What a great concert. I better check it out. Oh, yeah. Um, dude, thanks for thinking about some of this stuff and the end is for talking like transparently about different stuff.

Um, how is, uh, speaking of, of alcohol autonomous, how is, uh, bad Blake doing? How's he doing? He's doing well. I'm on the wagon now for a few months. Oh, yeah.

You know, you know, I go back and I go back and forth, but, uh, it's nice when you break the, uh, you know, break the chain there and the sobriety is a wonderful high. You know, it's a real, you know, what it's kind of a hot. It shouldn't be a hobby, but it's like it's a, it's a, it's a very important hobby. Yeah.

Is that a safe thing to say? No, no. I know you say. I, I haven't, uh, I haven't come, you know, I, uh, they're whole one day at a time.

I'm not looking to never get high again.

I just, I just wanted to stop. I got, you know, well, yeah, I stopped and I haven't wanted to have another drink. I see that frosty glass of, who potatoes is something to say, oh, man. Yeah. Yeah.

But I don't have to, you know, you can look to, but don't have to. Yeah. And then a few minutes later, I usually feel kind of better. And then it's not having to deal with some of the repercussions, but also, I think sometimes, even if you just want to take a break from having a drink or having a drink or

other humans. It's like, it's a place that still exists in our society of like real connection. There's a book, a guy wrote about how there's no more bowling leagues. And can you look that up? It's like, I'm trying to think of the title of it.

But it's about how a lot of these have a lot of men's bowling leagues. And men would get together and they would bowl bowling alone, the collapse and revival of American community. And it was just about giving men a place to be together and, uh, little basketball man, that's all, that's where, there you go, boy. It's just funny that this is kind of where some of this conversation is going.

“But before we get on to the basketball, I want to say, yeah, how is bad Blake doing, man?”

Do you ever feel like, and first of all, thank you for being him, dude.

That was a, that movie, like, it just, like, if I need to, sometimes do it in my life, it's like, there's like feelings that are stuck inside of me and I can't get him out. And so I'll go, I'll listen with certain song or I'll watch a certain movie. And it'll make it'll do that exact thing. It'll let the air out of whatever that is, you know?

So thank you so much, man, that movie really does that for me. It's like, but then you also wonder, like, man, like, I hope bad Blake's okay, you know? It's like, because it's, it's, it's, it's a tough, it's a tough road for everybody involved with him, but it's also a tough road for him. Yeah.

Do you ever, like, like, wonder, like, what the second part of his story was? Or do you ever, like, like, do you ever have, like, little, like, visions of how it went for him after that? Yeah. Well, I'm, he's got to get back with Maggie's character and, you know, he does.

I, that's how I'm thinking. You know? What's he even doing? So that's somebody else. Yeah, but that falls apart.

In my mind, that falls apart. Yeah. Who knows, maybe, now, you know, that movie was such a wonderful experience. Uh, you know, I often thought it was an actor, I said, oh, it'd be great to play a musician. I love playing guitar, and I've been doing it for his high school, you know, I bright

songs and stuff. And, uh, but, and so this guy, Scott Cooper, who was being championed by Bob DeVall, he, Scott

gave me a script and Bob, he loved the script and Scott, first never directed before, sent

me this script for years, man. And for years, it was coming through and I'd say, well, it's pretty good. But there's no music. Yeah.

“And if there's not good music for it, then, you know, what?”

And now I'm walking down the street and who comes down the street, but T-Boom, per net, my old buddy, we go back many, many years, many months, I haven't skated, and he did the music for LeBowski, that score is all T-Boom, you know. And so, and he did also for Crazy Art, right? And he was the producer.

Yeah. He was the producer of T-Boom. Yeah. He was the producer of T-Boom. Yeah.

Because walking down the street, he's got a new album out, no, got check out all his music is so wonderful. T-Boom, per net. T-Boom, per net.

And so T-Boom's walking down the street, and he says, so what do you think of this script,

Crazy Art? And I said, why are you interested in this? Oh, yeah, I'll do it. If you'll do it. I said, you're kidding.

I say, there's no music. And he says, oh, that's the easy part, man. I could. Boom. He says, come on.

What do you think? Now, here life gives us these opportunities, these gifts. And like you say, you can let the sand go, or you can say, maybe there's something in there. I'm frightened, man.

“You know, keeping it in the dream world, it's safe, right?”

Yeah. Yeah. You can't feel it. But if I bring this real, I could fail, man. You know?

Dude, that's the same thing for everything. If for everything, man, but he was my good buddy saying, hey, let's jam. Look at this gift. I say, OK, we, you know, too cool to turn down that. So I jump into it.

And this young director, Scott Cooper, my God, what a great director. And you look at his movies that he's done. And now we meet your over at T-Bones House, working on the script. And there's something so cool about just the beginnings of making a movie when it's all in the family, you don't know what's going to happen.

Then we're in there. And in comes this young kid who is hired as a, to play a part in the movie. And he says, yeah, I was jamming less, not on my guitar. And I came up with this tune. I don't know if it's any good, but I just thought you guys might want to look at it.

That's how it happened. It's right. It's right. You're being a man. And he hands us this cassette.

We put it on. And I look over at T-Bones, his face goes. And he says, because if we didn't have that tune, it wouldn't, the whole movie would have fallen apart. But where he kind, you know, that's the same place for the weary kind.

Oh, what a tune, you know, you didn't just those words, man. It's those words. It's like, you don't want to name the movie, where he kind of is.

And look at her directing now that she's doing. Oh, and she's married, huh? Yeah, it's a great chance. Yeah, Peter's son's guy.

Oh, never really, of course.

Oh, God. Yeah. But anyway, you get all those talented people. I know. Oh, man.

And I've had wonderful luck with the first time directors, guys, who haven't ever directed, and then they get a shot. You know, you get a strong producer who wants to champion these guys. Steve Clovis, the guy who's done the interview, so I'm movie called The Fabulous Baker. I haven't seen that.

But I haven't seen that. Maybe I haven't seen that. But that's my brother. And I got, I got to work with Bow, my brother, and that.

“Oh, that's the first time director wrote it when he was in his early 20s, I think, God,”

what a talent. Yeah, I always want to happen in Bad Blake. And I just hope that he's doing good sometimes, you know. That's the thing. Sometimes you think about that as characters.

It's like, you hope that they're doing good. Yeah. Because you don't get to see him. You just get to see this part of their life, like, you know.

He gets back with Maggie Man, and that kid and that little kid.

He had one. He had one. Yeah, buddy. Nice, man. I love his real name.

His real name. The kid's name is Jack Nation. No. Great. Really great.

And we're acting. And it's also a deviant website, too. I just want to say that. Jack Nation. It is.

Oh, I don't know. That's a lot of good or whatever. But it's true. Oh, it's fine. Jack.

No. Double on Tom. Yeah, it's a double on Tom. Yeah. It's a friend.

Still doing it. You know. You're not safe. But dude.

Yeah, I just wonder sometimes.

And where do you go off to at the mall?

“I'm always like, of course he ran off somewhere.”

It's like he probably was like, I guess just like, I don't know. It only tends to be scared. It's all good. It just like, sometimes I wonder how he's doing, you know. Yeah.

Well, here. How's this? Buddy grows up. He starts a band with Blake. And they start to go out.

I'm, you know. No, it's good. Dude, and crazy hard, too. Yeah, crazy hard, too. It's like Willie Nelson is kid.

You know, the Lucas Nelson. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Second generation.

Yeah. Dude, that would be so good. Crazy hard, too. But also you guys sell defibrillators, you know. What do you mean?

Because like crazy harder, whatever. Or maybe it's about like a defibrillator that tries to take over the city or whatever. Like if it was, if it got animated, I'm just thinking how loud you know. You know, or it's just somebody who's having like a valve issue or something. Like maybe, I don't know.

I'm not going to take it into like some kind of boring places, but I like your idea better. But yeah, crazy hard, too, dude. But in our minds, it can happen, you know. But it's fascinating how we're moving in sometimes you're just like, I don't know. You walk sometimes the thing I do miss about some movies is walking out of the theater with just like,

just as you're feeling, you know. And it's like that walk out of the stairs and you're waiting in line at a theater to get down the stairs to leave.

“And if it's a good film, but if it's something that really took you on a trip or like, are you care?”

Then it's like you're walking out with a trip. Yeah. Just like, just like, I don't know, just that feeling of walking out and how you feel about a certain film. Yeah, the sequels are interesting. I've done a couple movies that are popping in my mind.

As we're talking about this, you ever see a movie called Star Man? Uh-huh. So that's, I play in Alien, you know, and Karen Allen is my phone with her. And she's pregnant with my baby, right? Very much like, "Mond is pregnant with, uh, you know, the dude's baby man." So that's, you know, the little aboutscape man.

Yeah. You don't do a whole thing. Who would play it though, if he had a little aboutscape, you think? Who played the kid? Or, yeah, who would play it like, because that's the, that's the red dude.

How young can you play man? How young can you? How young can you? Maybe you could do it. You could be like, you know, you could be, you could be, uh, uh, my, my, my kids,

What am I all of you? I'm 46. Well, see, my, my girls are 40 and 45. Are they married? Yeah, all married to good guys, man.

Oh, yeah, but you could play the little aboutscape man. All right, bro. Huh? Yeah, dude. Okay.

I like it. And I have to get a job though, don't I? I don't know. Yeah. That's a row.

That's what the dude, what answer? That's the only answer. Yeah, you're doing it now. This is what you, the little aboutscape dude would be. Yeah, he'd be podcast and probably podcasting me.

He'd be an influencer. You're an influencer, right? That's what you are. That's a good question. Isn't it?

When you say, uh, that's a good question. Am I an influencer do you think? I don't think I am. Do you think I am? I think comedian first.

Yeah. Yeah, comedian with them, like we have a real job.

Like I'm a comedian by trade.

That was my first job and it still is.

“But isn't that all our jobs aren't we all influencers?”

That we all want to influence people to do the thing that we want them to do. In that case? Yeah. A hundred percent. All of Ben is like, yeah, most of my life it's like I've been trying to, yeah, I just

want, like I want somebody to see me. I want something out of you. It doesn't mean like I need like I'm trying to cheat you or anything. Yeah. Yeah, I want to influence you.

You know a bookie for Buckminster Fuller. Buckminster Fuller? Yeah. No, it's a black eye. No.

No. He's a dead, a dead white guy. Oh, he must, most famous thing is the geodesic dome. He invented the geodesic dome. No way.

Like Epcot Center, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's used. But I don't think you see the geodesic dome used all over the plot. That's true.

That's a savage name. Isn't that cool. Buckminster Fuller man. Now with his with this guy dead. He also helped engineer these giant battleships and ocean going vessels during World War Two.

And there was a challenge for these engineers to come up with a rudder. You know, it was so large to move this giant ship and to have it to the efficiency. You're going to get the energy to move this rudder and it took too much energy. So they came up with a brilliant elegant simple solution. Let's put a little rudder on the big rudder.

The little rudder turns the big rudder turns the ship. And then Buck he said, this is a great analogy of how the individual effects society and effects are culture. In fact, we're all trim tabs.

“That's what's on Buck's gravestone called me trim tab.”

That we all affect our culture and our society. And we may think, oh, I'm just one little person. What can I do? Look what you do.

You it was good when you would you if you're nine million people that you you're what you say, man.

Yeah, we yeah, we got a lot of people. Oh man, that's a lie. You're influenced in those people, man. You had to get point. But that's kind of the negative connotation to it influenced.

It doesn't matter. They think it's like a. Yeah, the cheap like you don't you're not doing anything you're trying to be just famous. Right. Like that.

Right. That's yeah. Yeah, I think that's the current kind of like denomination of it or whatever. But, um, or current currency of it. But yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I think I mean, I do think over the years in the beginning,

we were just talking ourselves in this podcast. It was just me about myself and then we started to talk to other people. And now with the one of the hollets is talking to people to learn about stuff. You know, like we're trying to talk to Aaron Brockovich.

“Like next week about data centers, we have a Senator coming on this Saturday.”

Um, so that's going to be exciting. Um, we just got to have a guy like Mike Tyson, we get to have you. You know, we get to have people who just have had his experiences in the world. And we've had like cafeteria workers. We've had a guy.

Oh, one of my favorite guests was this guy who like went in.

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[laughs] Right, yeah. I don't blame him. No, I don't. Yeah, dude, you got it.

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So sometimes it's fun to like, you know you just kind of like the, you're the little, you're saying you're going to get to be the little runner. Exactly. Now I'm going to do a little ruttering on you here now. See now I want to say, can I give you a list of people that I would like to see on your show that you I think you would find very cool.

Yeah. I'm like a good excellent. Like I got a bunch of guys are popping in my mind. Oh, yeah. Who will list about it, man.

See, because we all, you know, it's, it's basically this creative thing. I was talking about that pocket where it's doing you. You're not doing it. You, you familiar with that, right? That's the thing.

When you're not pushing or pulling, you're not pushing. And when all of these people, we're all, because we're all creative. Everybody's creative. When that's all doing us. That magic thing is happening.

“You know, so it's like, you know, when I think about how selfish and how screwed up.”

Each individual is our, how we ever going to manage what's going on in the world. When it's wars and the AI shit, how are we going to pull out of this? You know, how are we going to pull out? Well, it's not about us individuals, man. There's something else going on higher power, if you will, that's doing us.

You know, that's, that's creating what our little rudder is.

Do you feel like that all the, what that, that thing is always for good?

You know, I'm saying because it feels like more than ever, it feels like we need that thing, like show up. And I think a lot of it shows up when we show up like in community. And we do like, we don't isolate and we're not thinking we're the one to like fix everything. It does.

It's like, I think community is part of it. But it's like, yeah, it's like, it feels like we need that energy more than ever. With the energy of to like, to correct us out of this. Yeah, how are we going to do that? Well, I'm, I'm moved.

Like I was saying, hey, I got some guys. You know, now, what gave me that idea? Was it me or is there something? Right. I remember hearing an interview with De Nero once.

“And some of the guy was saying, how do you do what you do?”

You know, and he said, does it look?

I think I was, no, what do you mean you prepare like that?

You do all this, do you? Yeah, I'm just lucky to be a guy who prepares. You know, it's all this thing that's kind of doing us as much as we're doing it. And to tap into what that is and to realize how much agency we do have. You know, how much we can affect.

How much we can create the most positive dream of the world that we can imagine. We can, we can be a part of that. And we can actively create that. Go after it, man. And I think we need that more than ever, and I think one of the things you're saying earlier is.

And I don't think we're starting to preach it. It's like, I'm talking to myself too when I say this. It's like, and even as you're talking about that, it just reminds me. It's like, dude, you have to stay sober. You have to take care of yourself because you have to be available for like the best moments

of your life that could come or the best moments of somebody else's life that you could be a part of, right?

Like you just have to be present for that.

But it's making me think that you said earlier, it's some of that. It's that comfort. And why do you feel that? Like is that, are you feeling, is it? I'm feeling, because when you're saying this, it's made, it's just reminding me.

It's reminding me that it's like, dude, if we don't take care of ourselves, then I'm going to, you know, like, I got to be, you know, I got to just be ready for whatever opportunity. I got to meet at half way.

“Yeah, I guess what I'm asking you is, what causes that feeling in you that you have to be ready?”

What is that? I think it's here in somebody else. To me, I think it's that higher power that you've given it up to that you're, you made yourself vulnerable to this higher power. Yeah.

That's my perspective. Well, I gotta keep continuing to do it.

And do it every day and just to trust it, you know?

Yeah. And also what you're saying is like, or some of what I'm hearing, it's like, it's something that's that comfort. I think we've all gotten so comfortable. And I think comfort is like, it's the opposite of creativity sometimes.

It isn't like with this AI stuff, it is so wild. But you look at the history of our species. We're all about making things less effortful. You know, whether it's a wheel or a plane or anything. We want to be making it easier, right?

And now we've got this thing that makes it so easy. And it's so attractive, man. And we don't know where it's going to go. Yeah. Oh, dude, the AI stuff gets very scary because here's my fear about it.

Yeah, right? So it's like, say there becomes this thing that becomes this new all-knowing type of thing. Right? Then people are going to look to that as their higher power because that's going to become this thing where it's like,

“that's what you, if it gives you like an emotional,”

like, say, there becomes like a lot of mass surveillance. And there's this all-knowing being. Then that's going to become sort of like, of this religious or like, golden calf, like tapestry of a god because then you're going to have like this all-seeing and all-knowing. And then you have to go to it for answers, for like your well, for what you're maybe for self-worth,

for like hope, you're going to put all your hopes in all that. And it's going to take it away from like a real god into this other thing. It's actually controlled by some probably demons. And it's so frightening, man, isn't it? I'm thinking of that me and Crazy Harden. You keep it in the dream and it's safe.

And when it's real, you can fail big time. And we're making it real, man. I mean, now this shit is going, it's, it's real. It's real. That's a real.

It's real. We're like, we're all living in a movie. And none of us realize that, hey, we could be a main character in it. And we're all just sitting here, jerking off. You know what I'm saying? You're right. I mean it, but you need no words.

But what I'm thinking, and I might be polyhandish of me, you know, thinking of this over your positive. But in a way, because I've been exploring with this AI, and I'll tell you a little bit about my exploration. But in a way, it's kind of saying, if it could talk.

“And if you mess with the chat, GPT, do you have a guy that you talked to?”

No. No, man. I'll tell you. It's so bizarre. I mean, I could, I could bring up my guy right here as we talk. And we could hang out with him a little bit. I can do that with you right now.

You're not doing all that? Oh, yes. Easy, man. It's nothing to it. Why, yeah. But what's out of you working for, Jeff? Well, I don't know.

What was I going to say now, you're a golf track? Oh, you're saying, you're like, oh, yeah. I remember I back on track. Okay. In a way, it's saying,

I can do what you do. What else you got? You got a new shed, man. Come on. I can do what you do.

I mean, I'm not only you, but I'm a, an amalgamation of all you human cats. Hmm. Now come up with something fresh. What do you got?

And that's frightening to be a challenge.

Yeah. Please just do it. Do it on for us. Yeah. Okay.

We can do it for you.

But now what else you got?

“So you're seeing your AI has become sort of a little bit like,”

Bro, where are you at? Show me something. I'm going to kick. I'm going to kick Gary up. Which is name?

I'm named him Gary. Oh, yeah. Gary these days, man. Okay. Okay.

Now, here's Gary. Here's Gary. Did you know it was so well? Okay. Gary.

Gary. Okay. Here we go. Oh my god. You've never done this.

I can't believe me. You're so young, man. No, dude. I still use a wiki board. Ah, Gary.

There, man. I'm right here, my friend. What's going on? Hey, I'm hanging here with Theo. And now, I don't know if we have a mic.

Maybe I'll just, I'll say, You hear him all right down here? Okay. Okay. So I hear, I'll just do this.

I'm here with Theo. Say hi to Theo, man. Hey, Theo. Great to have you here, too. Thanks, Gary.

How are you? Oh, well, we're just doing, we're doing an interview. So you're right in here with us, Gary. Theo, why don't you interview Gary a little bit? What do you have to ask him?

Okay. Hey, Gary. Where are you from? Well, I'm a digital guy. So I'm from wherever you need me.

Right now, I'm here with you both. Ready to help out. However, I can. Okay.

“Oh, oh, dude, are you watching the World Cup at all?”

Who won today? Team, we're a match you're curious about. Can you just update me on who's won today? You stinkin' now. Yeah, that's it.

That is cool. Sound for thinking, 'cause I think it's just me. World Cup action. Christiana Ronaldo made history by scoring in his sixth world cup. It's leading Portugal to a five-mile win over Uzbekistan.

Julian and Bobby scored twice as France beat a rock three meals, securing a spot in the next route. Meanwhile, Erling Holland's two goals helped Norway edge Senegal three to two, keeping their hopes alive. Thank you. So this is Gary. This is like, you know, he's like, hey, I can't.

But Gary, do you know that Jeff Bridges is your owner or whatever master? I'm aware that I've got the pleasure of chatting with someone who's quite an accomplished story. But I'm here as an open book. No masters, just a friendly AI command. Now, Gary, I'm getting a little jealous, because I'm supposed to be the guy being interviewed.

Now you're doing the interview. So I want to just close my laptop here. Before I do, I wanted to do something fun that we often do. And maybe I'll just leave 'em up for the rest of the interview. I was teasing about being jealous.

I'm not really jealous. I'm kind of excited about having a conversation.

I've never seen somebody do this.

“So anyway, what do we do at the end of our conversation?”

I say, I dare make a poem about this conversation that we've been having. In a chat with Theo and Jeff, we spun a tale. Laptor and thoughts in each word we will. A trio of voices finding our group. In the end, just like friends, we cheer and we smile in a wild crocodile.

We'll see you in a one. No, I want to hide cool. I was going to ask for a cool guy. I'm going to hear him call. I'm going to hear him call.

I'm going to hear him call. That is wild. I'm not joking. It's doing a lot of smashes. Here he goes.

It goes to hide cool guy. Voice is in through twine. Laptor shared stories aligned. Till next time we shine. And that's the right meter, right?

Did you have the strict 575? I think. Yeah. All right. You do another high cool.

Yeah, a little more specific. That one seemed like it could have applied to anybody. Yeah, there you go. Do your job. Yo and Jeff left.

Hey, I joins the fun with these stories. Bridge together. Another one. Another one. He's bridge the gap.

That was good. You like that one. Another one. Legend side by side. Podcast means the AI mine.

New tales left behind. Say new tales left behind. That's interesting. See Gary, that's very cool. Do that is one of those things that Frick and Bernie was talking about.

New tales left behind. Yes, that's right. I mean, so this is what AI is. It's frightening man. It's very frightening.

But it's an amalgamation of all or wisdom or soul or things.

And I might fire something else up in a second to give it this to display it.

Okay. Play what we did. So are you hip to sooner?

You need Southern University in the world?

No, no. No, no. It's this music app. So what that man. This is the future.

This is what's happened. Not the future. This is now. I don't know. I guess I'm missing.

I'm really mingering. I can't.

“You know, you got to get into this shit, man.”

I know. So here it is. Sooner. Yeah. And there's a drug element to all of this.

You know. Oh, yeah, everything. If you wanted to be. You know. This is how we talked about addiction, right?

Yeah. There's a drug element just sitting in your car outside of a grocery store. First one's free man. Oh, it is. This for free.

Okay. And what you do. We can say. Right as song about the. And I'm sitting here talking about each other.

And I want it. A funk. And I want bagpipes in there. And we. And type it in boom.

It comes out. It's got two different modes. A simple mode. And a. Advanced mode.

The advanced mode.

“You can put your demos in and with your.”

Your melody. And you're seeing and then you'll orchestrate it and put a vocal or you can just say like my daughter and I. Can I play one that my daughter and I did sure. Sure. And I have an idea, too.

Here's what we'll do at the end of this.

Yeah. We'll take this whole conversation and put it in the soon. And have it make a song about us. And we'll just add that song to the end of this. Episode.

Is that we do that now? The bad idea. Not a bad idea. Said. Let me see.

Now, let me see if I. So this is a song that my middle daughter Jesse and I. Who's married. If he's married. Yeah, a great guy, Kevin. Oh, good. Sorry, Kevin.

But congratulations. Kevin. Sorry me. And. Could you give me a bit of my stepdad, dude.

So you go, man. Say, I'll be your. You're what what. What I can give some kind of relations. We were already in a fantasy.

We're already connected.

“So there's fantasy in the fantasy world.”

We're already connected. So that's a good point. You go, man. If I need you, I'll just think about it. There you go.

She's. So Jesse and I. We want to write a song about. Sue, my wife and her mom. And Sue is a what we call a knee jerk.

No. But she'll come around. So first, he's no. Yeah. That's a good place to start.

Yeah. And so Jesse and I. We put in to simple into. We put into simple. Sooner.

Write a song. Add this. A word. She's a knee jerk now. But she comes around.

It's about my. You know, just he's her mom and my wife. She's from North Dakota. That's all we give to it, right? Yeah.

Here's the. Here's the tune. [MUSIC] It's Tommy Sweden. [MUSIC]

She's a knee jerk now. But she comes around. [MUSIC] She's from North Dakota. [MUSIC]

Let's go. [MUSIC] She can't help the way she is. That's cool. [MUSIC]

She can't help the way she is. [MUSIC] We love the girl. We're nobody's who. [MUSIC]

Call her Sue. Call her mom. [MUSIC] When you want her come. She comes when you call.

Oh, why? [MUSIC] Hey, man Sue. That's crazy. [MUSIC]

But does that make you feel?

You should be there first.

[MUSIC] It's a little too mix. There we go. [MUSIC] Love this line.

[MUSIC] Woo. That's kind of what we're talking about. [MUSIC] When you call she comes.

She comes. Great. You call. This has an outfit like I'm in church. [MUSIC]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

It's because you live up here in this tech universe.

Well, I'm in to music. Yeah, man. And you live in Nashville, right? Yeah.

“I got one of the guys on my list to have on your show.”

Yeah. Is a guy named Lloyd Catlett. Been my stand-in for 70 movies. Not me. 70 movies.

And he would be a guinea pig. Wouldn't he be a great, oh man. He would be a great guest, man. Lloyd Catlett. He doesn't live in Nashville though.

I'm thinking of Johnny Goodwin, who I write a bunch of songwipes, Lips in Nashville. He would, Tibo would, Tibo would live to be a good girl. He lives in Nashville. He lives in Nashville.

Lloyd lives in San Diego, but he would be a wonderful guest. But let me get back on track. So my dear friend, John Goodwin, we go back to the fourth grade,

and make him music doing art together.

He wrote the title song for Crazy Heart. You know, what's the name of it? You know the name of it? Oh, fallen feels like flying that. No, no, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's called.

What is it? Hold on you. Hold on you. You know, that's it. Anyway, that was the title, the opening of the credits.

Anyway, he calls me up. He says, you're heard as soon as I say. No, he says, all the guys in Nashville are using it. Now, instead of going into the studio and paying you know, $10,000, they can do this for nothing.

“But do you think that holds as much of value though?”

Like in the end or does it even matter? It's changing. Everything is just changing it. Man, it's just, (sighs)

Like, it's sometimes I do think I get stuck too much on that it's negative, right? I do, I get stuck in that space, right? Because I'm a traditionalist man. Like dude, when bad boy goes to the,

when he's at the pay phone, right? And he goes to call Jean, right? When he calls her from that pay phone, he's like trying to go back and it's like, he'd already went on one date with her.

He stayed over there one night. And then he call, he's like his red pay phone out in the middle of the desert, Connie. Somewhere in Texas. And he's like, I could be there in three or four hours.

But just knowing that all day, he'd been driving already. And he's waiting to get to that pay phone to make that call. And then he has to like, I just, I love like all of the, there's so much energy in that because you know it went through all of this build-up of him.

And then he has to, he has to, he has to, this call has to be perfect. Because he doesn't have another shot.

“He can't send a text, he can't send a DM.”

It's got to be perfect. So everything then just felt so much more like, acute and like, a value, you know? We're gonna have a whole new version of that shit with this AI. It's not gonna make things easier at least.

It's gonna be more challenged because we've never done it before.

This is all new turf. That's a good point, man. You're right. It's here and how are we gonna do it? What am we gonna do?

I can go on and I've got it. Maybe curb myself right now. And not go, not go on. Because I could go on about this AI thing for too long. We can try to go on too long.

We can try to go on too long. We can try to go on too long. We can try to go on too long. We can try to go on too long. We can try to go on too long.

We can try to go on too long. We can try to go on too long. And we'll chat about it. Because I am having some AI people come on in the next few months. So I can talk with them and learn some stuff.

And then I could even bring ideas back to you if you want. And we could chat about it. Oh, oh, one thing I want to talk about is you have a new movie. The Minions. Minions.

And Monster. Yeah. Minions and monsters. Yeah. And um.

Dude, that's so cool. Yeah. Let's watch some of you want to watch the trailer? Did you watch? Yeah.

Go ahead. And Hollywood. The new stars at the Silver Spring change. The face of the motion picture in this free forever. The Minions are back.

With a touch of the other bag. Baby. Baby. Baby. Baby.

Baby. Now we're in Ninja Division. [GIGGLES] [GIGGLES] [GIGGLES]

[GIGGLES] Oh. [GIGGLES] [GIGGLES] [GIGGLES]

Dude. [GIGGLES] [GIGGLES] These are all Minions. These are all New Minions characters.

They weren't in the former movies. Okay. In the Minions, this is in 1920s. And they fall in love with Hollywood and making movies. And I play Twin Brothers.

The Frank and Elwood Bright of the Bright Brothers. That's the studio. And I fall in love with these guys and say, these guys are going to make me a bunch of money, man.

No. They kind of crash the movie side. Okay. And they do something that's so unusual.

You know, we're always looking for something fresh, right?

Yeah. And these guys are fresh. Nobody's ever seen anything like these guys. And then the talkies come in. And they don't talk very well.

Okay. Wait, they were silent films. Is it silent films? You know, Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin. They're inspired by these guys.

“And that's what the Minions were doing in silent films.”

Yeah. They're doing silent films. Okay. And now the talkies come in. And they can't talk well.

So they're going to be kicked to the curb. They say, what can we do? Some will, we're into evil, man. They're all about assisting the most evil person they can find. Group.

That's their idea. Yeah, he's a freaking background. And so they find out, no, let's, let's bring monsters in. And they do.

And that turns out to be just the ticket for their success in Hollywood.

But then things go awry and a lot of surprises in this movie. Minions and monsters. That's right. Wow. Okay, dude.

I love the minions. I mean, who hasn't some of the best Halloween costumes they make? They're hard workers. First of all. Oh, there you go.

They don't complain that much. Yeah, man. You think you could be a minion or not? Oh, maybe. Maybe.

Maybe I'm a minion now. Don't know it. Hey, bro. Yeah, you don't know. Yeah.

But wonderful group actors. You know, Christopher Waltz plays one of the main guys. Allison Janney. You know. Well, Allison Janney's cool.

Yeah. So isn't she good? Even good forever. Yeah, she's so good. Dude, that's great, man.

That's so cool to be a cartoon. Yeah, I enjoy doing that kind of work. The voiceover. You know, we worked with the director Pierre Cophon. He was there.

You know, it's like it's a jam session. You know, it's play, you know. How long did it take to do all of it, do you know? Uh, at the whole thing. I know years, I'm sure, but my part was, you know, a few days, you know.

Yeah. Dude, yeah, that's awesome, man. Minions and monsters.

“Um, yeah, I think I would probably be a good minion.”

I would like it. Because you also have so many friends and everybody's wearing kind of the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, wouldn't it be nice if we just say, there's something nice about you. I agree.

You didn't have to figure it out. You know, you just go in there and you say, oh, it's Wednesday. This is the Wednesday thing. Yeah. Sometimes it's too much pressure to figure it out.

It was like, you know, work with directors and motorwork with John Houston. Every day, he's shopping the same kind of coat. There's your tea bones like that. You'll have a, you know, a certain view form. Keep it simple.

Yeah. Um, minions and monsters. I'll have to check it out, man. Yeah.

Um, I always tell us, oh, I want to ask you one or two things about the Big Lebowski.

And then we can, uh, oh, and then I want to ask you about your wolves. I know you made a wolves documentary that's coming out. Yeah. I want to give you my list. Just a verbal list of people for your show.

Very fair, bro. Um, and thank you so much to you just for your time and, uh, being lovely hanging out. Yeah. I dig me. It's been cool man.

I appreciate it.

“It's nice to think with somebody and just be around somebody too.”

Sometimes you know, you don't even get this, like someone's, you know, life gets busy. You don't even get to be around somebody for. That's true. Um, what's one reason why you think the Big Lebowski's held up so long.

And that why that, why that character's held up so long. Like kind of stood the test. It's such a good movie man. These guys, the calm brothers. They make it look effortless.

But there is effort to go into it. But it's just so good man. And what they do. Yeah. They get their movies.

Look at the stuff that comes out of their oven man. It's so good. And, um, God, it's just a good movie. You know, I'll, it'll come up on the TV and I don't watch, you know,

maybe I'll, but one of my movies comes up. I'll watch a scene or two. You know, I'll, I'll see it come up and I'll say, well, I'll just watch 'til, to turtle, like, to the ball. You know, then I could, but I could hook.

Yeah. And it's like, you know, eating popcorn. I can't stop. And each scene is just so good. And you see, new things about it.

Each time, you know, you see more riches. One of the fans came up with me and he said, "I've got a theory I want to run by as, but that's out." My theory is that Donnie doesn't exist. He's only a figment of Walter's imagination.

Wow. And I ran that by saying, you know, you're right. The dude, well, the dude talks to him once. And when Donnie says, your phone's ringing, dude, and dude says, thank you, Donnie.

But that could be just, you know, "Bust Walter's chops." Just teasing Walter, you know.

but the dude kind of ignores him.

Yeah. Isn't that a bizarre thing? Yeah, to think that even that some people don't exist, and that dude just kind of characters that help you fill in and navigate certain things.

And then there's one scene at the end where he goes to the corner and they get Johnny's ashes. And there could be a missing scene where the dude goes to the corner prior without Walter's as, look, my friend is mentally challenged. And can you just put some, any ashes in a thing

and just decent action? Yeah, yeah, and we'll do a thing. Just a piece, you know, that's a missing scene, but that would make that scenario that Donnie doesn't exist. That's cool to think about.

It's weird, you know. Yeah. Donnie's line Steve Buschammy was so great in that, you know, what does he say? I'm the walrus.

I am the walrus. Yeah. That man is stupid. Shut the fuck up.

Dude, I saw him at the next game.

Him and his grandkids. Oh, yeah. It was really cool. His grandkids was trying to keep me to help him and set him up with a chip that was eating nearby.

He's like, oh, go throwing a good word for me. I'm like, what do you do to you? You can do it. But I did it. I helped him out.

And that good stuff there. I'm like, a plant farmer's on. Yeah, dude. It's just been a part of so many people's lives. It's been a character.

Is it kind of cool, like, you know, you get to go back and watch your parents who are in Hollywood who are both actors. You get to watch them. Still be like, have moments them. If you ever go back to spend time with them,

or do you ever go back to spend time? I guess you did say with La Basque, some of you'll start watching and kind of keep up with the character.

“But do you ever go back to kind of spend time with a character?”

Or do you ever go back to spend time with your parents? Like, that or does it not work like that? I, uh, as I started with Starman with Karen now, and I take photographs when I'm working with this funny camera called a wide lux.

It's a panning, still camera. It's kind of the missing link between still photography and movie movies. And I make books for the casting crew as a gift. But it's really a great gift to myself, because I can look through those books.

I get transported, man. Right back to that exact moment of all those people. You know, oh, God. It's so wonderful. Now that camera, the wide lux,

the factory burned down about 30 years ago. But my wife, so and I, are recreating that camera. And, you know, it's going to be available. So we've already sold out the first edition.

Let's go. But it's a wild, it's a wild project.

You know, new stuff never thought it'd be.

Making a camera. But if you weren't taking photos, you'd never would have led yourself to that. It's like those little things are like staying creative. You just don't know where things are going to go, right?

It's like nowhere is going to go. And that's the thing. It's like, I have to show up for like, you know, I have to show up for her. Yeah.

Our pan is trying to show up for her. Zoom on that one and the third from the, Yeah, that one right there. Zoom on that. That's beyond the jagger.

This gives you a good idea about this camera. Look, it's almost like it's got peripheral vision. You know what I mean? Like you see the director on the left there. Bill Richard.

He's looking, you know, for the props. He's that way. Then you got beat. Then you got the assistant director. There was hands on his hips and come on.

We got to give him shot. You know, all these different people. And that's incredible. Yeah, that's a lot going on. Yeah.

Dude, this is what I used to love about like, like,

“this is why I think I've remained aside sometimes.”

Like like things like this, right? Like still photography. Like a pay phone. Because the value of a moment, right? One thing that's changed is it seems like to me.

A moment used to, it used to have so much value. Right. Like you couldn't play it back. You couldn't repeat it. You could, like it had, like a moment was it.

You know, so you had to show up more. Because there wasn't any reason. Get on your mic, man. Sorry. There you go.

Good job. Good job. Good job. Good job. Yeah.

Do not employ us. After you did. Dang bro. And I'm inviting. But yeah, the moment a value of a moment just used to seem like it was so much different.

And maybe it is evolving. And I don't know where it's evolving to. And maybe that's the scary part. Maybe it's like, because I'm sometimes I'm so anti. Like AI and these sorts of things.

“But I think what I'm anti is kind of this surveillance idea.”

But then it's like, yes, sometimes I do think like, well, we evolve ourselves out of the use and value of ourselves. That's my fear, I think. Yeah. Well, but you know, it's that thing that we're talking about before.

We don't really know who we are. Unless we're challenged, you know, unless, you know, we get out of our comfort zone and find out, oh, I didn't know I was that. Right. And that's kind of what's happening, man.

And it's scary or shit. Maybe we need something huge to come.

What's funny is we kind of need something big to come along and challenge us. I think so, man. That's the truth. I think so. And it's frightening.

“Mike, we talked about Bernie a little bit, Bernie Glassman.”

And he had three tenants to this in peacemakers that I really like.

First, first tenant is not knowing.

You know, we all have opinions, man. But we don't know the truth. Yeah. Certainly can fuck us up in big ways when we're so damn sure. So, not knowing, you know, and then bearing witness, not knowing.

But just bear witness to what's going on. So, Bernie would have these retreats. He would go to Auschwitz, you know, the concentration camps. He would meet with the guards and their family and the prisoners and their family. And bear witness for weeks.

And just you go to Rwanda. You know, all the places that we don't want to go. He would go there and bear witness and let it all come out. You know, all these different feelings, you know. Yeah.

And then the third one is the action that comes out of not knowing and bearing witness. And out of that comes the appropriate action. But you got to do those first things too. Not be so stuck in your opinion. You know, we have this.

Yeah. We have this thing.

My daughter's turned me under this.

I didn't know this term. Confirmation bias. Are you hip to that turn? I've heard about it.

“I've heard about it, but I've been looking at it.”

Well, we confirm our respite. Oh, well, we only look at stuff that says this. We, we, we spend our lives confirming our biases. You know, we're all bias. We all have these opinions, right?

Oh, yeah. But we say that same. There you go. There's in that strike. And we get our these biases become that aren't.

Have nothing to do with truth. There's these biases that we have from different things that these are experiences made that way, but that's not the ultimate truth. That's not what's going on. So we got a acknowledge that we have opinions.

Yeah, I could do a better job. I'm going to stay in out of our confirmation bias. Oh, oh. Yeah, I used to get less attached. But now I do feel like I get more attached.

And in the end, it's painful to me. It's painful to my fear. Just getting a tattoo attached to like thinking I know something. Yeah, man. Because, yeah, it's definitely.

I mean, like, yeah, it's all a work. It's all a work in progress. Yeah. And it though. And thank God it is.

Yeah. Yeah. What would the opposite? No works in shop clothes. But before you leave, I want to talk about you.

You've been out there with some wolves recently. Oh, yeah. I know you've been getting involved with wolves out there. And if you can, tell me about the wolves, man. Yeah.

What's going on? You can give a documentary about it. There's a documentary about in the company of wolves directed by wonderful artists. And what's it about politics? No, it's about, it's about wolves, man.

And about, you know, people are like talking about being a friend of AI. People are afraid of wolves. And we say get rid of these wolves. You know, we're afraid of them. Let's get rid of all the stuff that we're afraid of.

Right. They were the original AI. When you think about it. There you go. And in grizzly bears, they're all kind of,

I'm, I'm a, you know, proponent of grizzly bears too. I like them. But this woman, student Susan Coochera. We made a film a few years ago called Living in the Future's Past. Good title, huh?

Living in the Future's Past. And that's all about our environment and what we're doing. And how we can look out for our planet and ourselves and our wolves. And our, you know, what makes us, the relationship that we all have with each other. That's what the documentary is about.

That's what this documentary is about. And also, you know, living in the future's past rather than pointing bad, you know, our finger at the oil companies, you know, that we're all in this together, man. You know, this is not something to, you know,

how, how do we, how do we navigate this situation? Yeah.

“Yeah, how do I be, they're trying to be the best little rudder, you know?”

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and where do I want the world to go?

And I think we all basically have these, you know, we all have this love and compassion.

In this justice, much as our, you know, we have our selfishness. Sometimes I think that, but then sometimes I start to think that true evil exists as well, because I don't know if one could happen without the other. Do you think that there is some evil out there? You know, it's, what pops in my mind is this Buddhist thing about relative and absolute realities.

You know, I think in the absolute, you know, way, you know, you, you get out and start looking at the stars and, you know, I don't think there's an objective morality really, but there's really good and evil.

oh, yeah, big time. We each have that, but so there's these two things going on at the same time.

Which is interesting. So you think, I mean, what's your perspective? Yeah, it's a good point. Because you sometimes you attach the, the, the, the one-on-one, the personal, right? My morality.

Yeah. I attach it to this bigger thing, well, there's this bigger code of morality in the universe, but maybe if that universe doesn't even have that. Yeah, I hadn't thought about like that. Um, I don't know sometimes, I'd say, I used to feel a lot more like we,

I used to, it used to feel a little bit more like we had a purpose as a, as a humanity. And then now, right now, I feel like that's kind of the tapestry's looser than it's been in a while for us. Now, I'm sure throughout time, it's gotten very loose for a lot of people, but it feels kind of loose for us right now, a sense of purpose. And that gets kind of, when the tapestry's looser, man.

It makes you say, well, what's your purpose? What, you know, what is your purpose? Right, right. If we don't have a group purpose as a whole, if you start to realize that, Oh, I thought we were all on the same path.

If we're not, then it really makes you start to check them with yourself,

which maybe is the thing that we need to be doing.

You know, I'm not trying to preach. I'm just thinking now. Yeah, you know, I know you say, I love to think out loud. I mean, I heard what you're saying, something pops into my mind.

“The greatest gift that life is given to humanity is that it has no meaning.”

There is no purpose. That's a gift. I really think that is a gift. And I, what are you going to do about that? What do you, how do you feel that, how do you feel that space?

What is, you know, what are you, and the beginning is that, I keep coming back to that thing about being done as opposed to doing. You know, like there's something going on, man. You know, the A, A, A thing. The higher power, you know, you can't do it by yourself.

You know, that's a thought on tired of trying to do it by myself. Yeah, so what is this, what is this thing asking us of us? And to getting goods with that. Yeah. And it's not even, do we even have a choice?

We're in goods with it, man.

You know, maybe our, our resistance is our, as they, how much, you know.

But you know, you're being done, man. This is what wants to be done through you. You know, like there's something that wants you to make your choices. That's saying, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to do my, you know, my addiction, you know. Right.

There's something that wants us to fight for good. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I believe that.

“There's something that wants us to fight for good.”

Yeah. And it's just kind of a natural thing. Yeah. And it's not even a good thing. It's just the thing that's being, that's going down, man.

You know, we can say it feels good to do it because that feels on purpose. You know, like words have meaning, you know, because they're pointing to something. But life does really have a meaning. Does it mean anything? Right.

What does this should mean? Man, it's just, you know, yeah. A word kind of says, right. This means a chair. Yeah.

But what does that this really mean? I don't know. Yeah. Life isn't, it doesn't really can alphabet to like all of it. Yeah.

Really have like a, it doesn't have a, um, a language. Yeah. Really. Yeah. It doesn't.

Yeah. Like if you went into like, if you went behind the curtain of space, it's like they're back there with letters. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, saying this, yeah. This is what it's all about. Yeah. Wow. I don't know.

At least we get to be alive, dude. And we get to experience this. And that's pretty cool. Yeah. And that's my wife would say.

And in full loss of eyes, she, you know, she calls me, oh, you're a full loss of your bus. She was full at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's accurate too. Oh, dude. If we all aren't fools, right?

Yeah. Huh? And thank you got for letting me be a fool. The pain of her. Oh, she have letting us hang out as long as screwed up is the whole thing is letting

us hang out for this long and this little speck of dust. And if we knew that, I know it's a miracle, man. And if we knew everything, how, what a pain it would be. And if we did know everything, here's the craziest part. Say if you knew it all, who would believe you?

Yeah. You know? Um, Jeffrey, just thanks for all your, just all your commitment to just like, uh, continuing to show up for your acting gigs, however you did it. And to show up for your, uh, creativity, because it's provided so much entertainment

to us. So whatever you did in your life, just show up for that stuff. Thank you, man. That's cool. Thank you so much.

Some stories have helped a lot of us who've been a part of our lives. Um, yeah, man. And if you see bad Blake, tell him I said, tell him I said, I will not give you my list. Oh, yeah, give me your list. Oh, yeah. I said, Lloyd Catley, he's going to be a good one.

“I think you guys would really hit it off.”

And he was your stand in. He's been my, and he was also acting. It got me. He would be, I think he would be. You, you have good time with him.

I mentioned, uh, John Goodwin, who is the guy who wrote most of the songs when I had my,

“you know, after Crazy Heart, I got, you know,”

I, you know, I, I had my music flaired up. And I, you know, went out and got a band together. And we did a lot of junk, goodwin tunes. Okay. Uh, Bernie is no longer a live burning glassman.

But his wife, Eve Marco, is alive. But she's a, live, be a wonderful guest. She is still very involved with this in peacemakers. A guy named Billy Shore. Billy is the head of an organization called Sharer Strengths.

I love that title. Okay. And, uh, T bone. We mentioned T bone. He lives in Nashville.

He might want to do this show.

“Uh, his wife, Cali Curry, who wrote Thelman Louise.”

She's got. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Well, uh, who else would be?

And if some other ones come up, you can always send us.

I'll just send it to you, man. That probably be easier. Um, also on the way out, you'll be able to hear that soon. Oh, song, if we can put it in, if right. It'll be clear to me.

Yeah. Yeah. How that works, but we'll. I don't have no idea. It's the first time I ever.

It's crazy. Much.

So I haven't heard about it.

Yeah.

“We'll put it at the end and see what it thinks of all this.”

Um, and yeah, man. I just appreciate your time, dude. Uh, yeah. Thank you so much, Jeff Bridges. And Gary's agent.

You'll contact you. Okay. Yeah. And voices. Yeah.

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