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good morning Dolores. Hi, Tim. Tim, why do I feel like I haven't seen you? You haven't.

“So I think the last time I saw you maybe, no were you home yet?”

I can't even remember.

I was stuck, I was stuck in Florida then I made it home and I've been just running.

I was, I took a page out of Sofia's book, Gabby did anyway, and she's selling my clothes on D-pop. What? A dorned by Dolo, go to D-pop and you can have all my clothes cheap, all the clothes that I did in donate.

I don't want them. What is it, a dorned by Dolo? Okay. I think I'm just going to change it to my name, that's too hard even for me. But right now, on D-pop, it's a dorned by Dolo.

I don't care, making offer, you can have a Gabby's trying to pay off for student loans. So isn't that funny? I did that with student loans, but I'm like, just sell my clothes, I don't care. You can keep the money. She needs extra money, I can go.

You work seven days a week, you're a veterinarian. I don't know why you need extra money, but hey, go ahead, because if you can't make ends meet, but I get it. You know, we paid for undergrad and she's in charge of that school. So yeah.

Yeah. Well, I just heard that Elana is going to be taking Potomac's spot. They start, I believe, in April. So we'll mean you will be recapping in Atlanta together. So that's exciting.

That's exciting. That's very exciting. Yeah, so it starts April 5th, it starts, so I'm super excited about that. Now, there was a little tweet that went out or X, I don't even know what to call it anymore, that producers were planning on bringing both, the Brit and Kenya back for Atlanta for

season 17 and told Brit that she would have to film alongside Kenya, which was one of the reasons that led Brit to take legal action against Bravo. I don't believe that. That's why I was going to ask you, do you believe this?

You do not believe that.

No, I think the reason she didn't show up to the reunion was because she was going to

“file a lawsuit against them and that's why she didn't come back because she's trying”

to say, how can you file a lawsuit and say, like, you were upset about something and then go back and go back to it. So, you know that Brit is filed a lawsuit against Bravo. Yeah, in that lawsuit, she said that producers were planning to bring both Brit and Kenya back to season 17 and that it was in the lawsuit.

Now, we don't see Kenya in the trailer, so Kenya is not on the show, so this obviously doesn't seem like it adds up. So she did not want to have to film alongside Kenya, so that's the reason why it led her to take legal action, but like, do you believe that?

No, no, I don't believe that.

I don't believe that was even ever a consideration to bring them both back. No, sorry, false news. Yeah, so the current cast is Porsche, Fajra, Drew, Shamia, Angela, Kelly, so Pinky and K are full time with Cynthia Bailey returning as a friend.

“Cynthia does well as a friend, I think she's happy, she's peaceful, she's, she's doing”

just fine as a friend. Yeah, yep, it's probably what she wants. You know, as a friend, you don't have to bring in your personal life as much. It's not, you know, a requirement of you, so she gets to keep a lot of her life private and still be a part of it.

Yeah, she goes back and forth from LA to Atlanta. She's got a lot of other things going on, her podcast is based in LA, she's, she's, isn't she filming? She doesn't like also scripted. Yeah, she does a lot and she's busy and she's back and forth, so like you said,

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So, we are going to recap the reunion part 3. So, Potomac is officially over, and like we said, Atlanta is going to take their time slot on Sundays, starting in April. Thank God we have something to watch on Sundays now. Yeah.

So, the reunion starts our Monique plays a clip from a video message she received. How do you feel about them keeping this in the episode, but not telling us who the person is?

“That's what social media is saying, apparently a turd order saying that Stacey told Chris”

that Monique was filming with the kids. Okay, do you think that the Chris said that in front of his daughter and the daughter repeated it to her mom? That's a likely situation that could have happened, that makes sense, of course. So, you know, that being said, the reason I do think it's someone like her daughter is

why would they cover it number one, why would they not let us hear who it is, why would they not say who it is, and by the look of everyone's face, it was so very clear like, of course we know she's going to believe that's her with mean her daughter, just everything pointed to it was her daughter unless it was her mother, which I don't even know with that woman is around.

It's somebody that won't sign a release. So if it's a minor, both parents have to sign a, like I don't know, but everybody on that couch, and I feel like the kids are about old, her kids were not that old though. Somebody on the couch, shut her mouth and said, of course we're believing her even Stacy didn't didn't come back and say, oh yeah, look, cool, it's coming from or, oh, are you

going to believe that? Stacy did not even try to, Stacy looked nervous. She looked very nervous, I mean, we're two minutes into the third reunion and she's already been caught in a lie and she talks about how she has zero contact with Chris, but yet there's a flashback of her showing her text thread to Monique while they were filming.

“Like why do you lie about things that can be proven?”

Well, here's the thing, what I agree with Tia here, I agree with Tia saying, we all have

bottom of it. Nope, no one's getting to the bottom of it, but at that moment, I was disappointed in Stacy. She looked like on her face, I mean, she did her best QVC to get out of it, but she looked on her face was like, I'm guilty, or shocked that who was saying it was saying it,

where was coming from, too? How do we find out who was saying it? I don't know, but she offered to bring Chris on, was that just calling everybody's bluff because she would know that Chris wouldn't want to be involved? I don't know, it's confusing.

“That's why, enough with the petty fights, let's get to the bottom of the crux of something”

that's really going on. Right, and what I'm hoping, like, if she does do interviews, she will tell us who it is. Who, Monique? Yeah. Probably not, not if it's her kit, but it could get leaked, it could get leaked.

There's a million people on that set.

Yeah. Well, Andy goes on to talk about Colorado and he didn't spend much time on this whole subject. Angel says she thinks that Ashley and Jiselle deserve to be in the smaller room together. Um, well, they gave her a hard time this season. I don't blame her, it's not that big of a deal.

Small listen, let's all just take away from our cushy lives for a second and talk about was a still a nice, beautiful room, was a bed with beautiful pillows and puffy down blanket. And I can't deal with the non-running water, but yeah, yeah, but it wasn't her fault. That was, whoever owned the Airbnb, they, something went wrong. Well, I was really expecting them to dive into this whole Colorado trip.

It was such a big part of the season and it, it concerns me that they're just like, Andy did not want to really get into it. He said he's not going to talk about it. So we're not. So what does that mean for Angel's future?

I don't think it's indicative of Angel's future on the show. I just don't think that this show is for Angel. She seems like a very nice person.

“I think she has a beautiful life and a loving husband, wonderful children.”

She has her business that she now has the fix from being on the show. She has not benefited from being on the show at all. At all. And it's actually sad, like they first season, like they really tore every part of her life up from her marriage to her business, to her home.

I feel bad. I do. I feel bad. I wish she would have had some type of a good experience here. But she didn't.

So Angel, you don't really, from what I see in from what you say, do you really need it? Do you really need it? This is for everybody. I don't think she's going to come back.

Okay. I don't. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know that I would after that experience.

Let's come back. Let's come back. I know that's a problem. Everyone to come back and they're going to be like, oh, it's going to be different. If they do something wrong, I'm going to redeem myself.

I'm going to give you time to let me. Now Karen joins the reunion.

“Do you think that Karen avoids labeling herself as an alcoholic?”

Because that means, you know, she'll never be able to drink again.

No. I think it's hard for her. I think it's very hard for her to say right now. She just doesn't want to call herself that. I'm not going to write her office saying that she's never that she's going to not be able

to do this. I give, I'm going to say that I give her a lot of grace and I'm saying she's going to try and she is accepting, she said a lifetime of recovery for me, just because she's not saying the words, she's doing what she has to do. Yeah.

I mean, lifetime recovery, that's basically saying it without saying it. Yeah, because like I have people in my family who are in lifetime recovery and I've been to many meetings and they stand up high, whether they've had a drink or done a drug in 30, 40, 50 years, they still stand up and say, hi, I'm an alcoholic, hi, I'm a drug addict.

Right. Right. Maybe that Karen says it not publicly, maybe she says it in her meetings that she'll have to go to for the rest of her life. I don't know.

But until I see her God forbid a million times, fall off this wagon, I don't care how

she says it. Yeah. So Karen said she ignored the comment where Giselle said she needed to be in an elderly section of the jail and then Giselle goes, it was for your protection be with older people. So you can't, don't get hurt.

Okay. Yeah. You know, you might have meant it that way, just help it, you know, typically like I look

shade behind it.

“So I'm going to go with Giselle's queen of shade.”

She's a queen of shade, but she also admits it when she owns it when she does it.

So, she didn't know what, watch what happens live when married to medicine, what was it, doctor? Oh, right, right. She said, no, no, Robin said it, but no, I'm sure that said it, that's right. That's right.

Maybe she just forgot. I forget things. I say too. Well, Karen's funny. She's like, I'm willing to be cordial with Daisy if she doesn't lie.

Well, that's probably not going to happen. That's why good luck with that. If Daisy stops lying, then we know we're in real trouble with the show. Yes. She just, Stacy's talking, truth's not coming out.

I don't know how she's away within all the time. They're just like, oh, another like, okay, if somebody else lies, they like rip somebody apart. Oh, my gosh, I know. I would have a real problem with it. I'll tell you that right now.

I know you would. We know. We know. We know. We know.

We know. We know. We know. Daisy. I want to put you on Potomac and see.

They really handle it. Well, they tell her off all the time about it.

But they never hold her feet.

No, never. Never. So, when Wendy's upset with Karen saying that she called her mother a witch, and then we get a flashback, and Karen absolutely did not call Wendy's mother a witch. She said the double you weren't.

She said no, which she said was she was saying how other people on the cast have called her mom a witch. She did not call her a witch. That's true. Yeah.

Um, you know, and Karen's like, I never want to just respect your mom. She says one of the favorite moments of the season is in Wendy's mom, told her to shut that up. And the cast got like, oh, oh, oh, oh, and she's like Karen, and Andy too, and he's like, well, I have to tell you that was a very, I was like, okay, okay, she was always upset and everybody

pulled on to that one. She hadn't had any shade going on her life in the past what year, and she's like, I'm gone for it, but she did redeem herself and why she said it, but did she really can you take it back once it's out of the two said, listen, I used it out of context because I'm trying to tell you, stop talking about your case.

Well, I don't know if that's the truth.

“I think it just helped her like that came in, she's like, oh, let me redeem myself.”

Everybody thought I was mean. That's what I think. I think she met every word she said. Yeah. But it doesn't matter, it's sad, it's past, Wendy takes it like a champ.

Wendy's very songver, this wouldn't you be, girl, I don't even shoot in my pants. I know, I think, yeah, we'll get into it.

The conversation switches to Wendy's arrest, Andy says how he always looked up to Wendy as

a housewife, you can tell he's very disappointed. He also said, like, these, these are, this is a big deal. This isn't something that's going to go away. This is a big deal. He did say that.

He did. He did. Yeah. Even in the girls do their confessional, Angel says she hopes justice is served. Angel thinks that Wendy was using her to distract everyone from her personal issues.

Now, there was some confusion on today though, but did Wendy know this was going on while she was filming. I just feel like she had to have known there was an investigation, well, I don't know. This is a year in the making. They don't just show up at your house.

I've, well, yeah, exactly. So, I mean, there was no, she knows that her head had been observed. She said no, she said she didn't know until they showed up, but I don't know that I'm completely buying that. I really don't.

“Don't you get a letter from the insurance, not that I ever have?”

Because I don't even claim things that are stolen at this point. It's just too much paperwork for me. Um, when they broke into my house, I had to fill out like the damage that was done. And it was only, they were only covering like $1,500. I'm like, I'm so upset about all the jewelry that's missing that I'm not going to get

back. I don't even want them, I don't even care at this point. What's the point? If you, unless you have every piece of jewelry, which it's a lot of money, every single piece of jewelry has to be in short.

Yeah. So what a lot of money. Well, do it. So I guess they had every piece of jewelry in short. And purse.

Anyways, Wendy says in the past few months have been hell on her family. Of course.

Yeah. And horse.

But it seems that she said the silver lining is our families come together where

they were on before.

“Mother and sister are there for me and what else did she say?”

She said and his family, because I know there was a rift between his family and her for a while. Yeah. Well, Karen tells Wendy to stop giving information on the case if she does not want to go to jail.

She's not wrong at all. Like, what are you doing? Like, I would just say, no, no, no, no. Like, if you potentially, you're going to go to jail, why say something on the couch on national TV about the case, they're watching your every move, Wendy, every word, every

word. They are watching your comments, like, I agree with Karen a hundred percent. I was shocked that she gave, like, we did this. And then we did that. Then we walked in and then this happened and then what?

No. Like, as we stay in Italians, not to seat. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Does that what it means?

Me and shut up. Yeah. Then Andy asked the girls what is the biggest lesson they've learned this season.

“Angel says she has learned that being Zen and calm doesn't mean you have to skip”

over things that bother you. That's very true, Angel. And she said that she wishes she was more forceful. Well, okay, you wish you were forceful this season. However you just sat on the couch and you still weren't forceful and how you were treated

or how you felt. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the Omperpist Podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award winning country music artist, and one of the most authentic

voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are.

The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there.

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A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppi. Lucy Leppi has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the full story? A moment you look at the whole picture of the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast doubt, the case of Lucy Leppi, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it.

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China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world.

This is a special agent, a special agent, Bradley Hall.

“This MSS officer has no idea the US government is on to him.”

But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Here how they got it on the sixth bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's the unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that.

It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS, and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its fault of secrets. Listen to the sixth bureau on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Nackard, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan.

He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected.

The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show? Made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand, and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal.

“The media is here. This case has gone viral.”

The dating contract. Agreed to date me, but I'm also so suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped.

This season, an epic battle of he said she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies.

I'm done nothing to get pregnant by the f*ck Brassler.

Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] TSS, she can be naive in situations and not think about how her words might affect someone else. I think she was referring to Stacy. I just don't think that TSS words were that cutting.

In the housewife role, do you? Do you think housewives in a whole are changing that fans do not want to see the fighting and all that's got to say? That's why we're not on anymore. They want, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what they want to be honest with you.

So you have to evolve in any job.

“You have to evolve with what's going on next.”

There's a saying, who's the next girl to dance with? What's the next thing we're going to do to keep this going? Because the girls, I mean the people, not just the girls, the people that grew up watching this show are in it. It's a different world now. So when the R show started in 2016, it was a novelty to hear people fight.

It was a novelty to see someone throw a team like that. Where I've been stuck in for years is that that's what they want. That's what's going on. That's what's happening across the border, every franchise. Now is it changing?

Yes. And people want to see women building each other up, not tearing them down. And I'm happy it's changed like this. I am happy. You know, I remember when my dad was the chief of police and things started to change.

And I said, you know, Dad, you got to change with the times. But he wouldn't. And he still trusted the same people that he shouldn't have trusted anymore. He still did things the same way used to. And you know what?

You just have to see what's out there. And I, and I talked to a lot of the fans, Tamara. I talked to everyone I see about us, about the pod, about the shows. What do they think about the shows? And don't get me wrong.

They still like to see the drama and the fights, but to a certain extent. They don't want to see the same fight dragged out across the whole season. No, I agree with that.

But the problem is is the fans, especially on social media, they don't want to see the fighting.

And then as soon as the fighting happens, they go after the person. And then they want them fired and all these things. And then when there's no fighting, they're like, oh, the show's boring. I know. It's like the counter fickle.

You can't get a read on what do you really want? So you can't make a motion right in. Right in. Exactly. Kay says she wants to start putting herself in other people's shoes more.

Um, what does that mean? I don't know. Okay. She wants to start of she wants to. You want to put yourself in Wendy's shoes.

Maybe to understand what they're going through better. I don't know.

As she says she wants to learn more. Oh, that's just her hood. Like we were just talking about. As she says she wants to lean more into her sisterhood side with the girls. I think back to what we're talking about.

People want to see women on these shows lifting each other up. At least that's what they say. Just doing something. She's boring. Yeah.

And and to echo that Wendy in the end said these girls were a lot easier on me than I had expected.

“And to end it with that, I would have to say I think that's what we mean.”

Like Wendy's, you know, it's a right to fight. We are you going to really kick somebody when they're all the way down. She's looking at jail time. She's her and her husband are looking at serious jail time. Well, let me just tell you how my mind works.

I instantly think why would you do it? Why would you fucking break the law? Why would you do it? So I go to that like irritated instantly. And then I see all the girls like this is horrible.

I'm so sad for you. But then my mind I'm like, you created this. If you were guilty, you created this. And I have to push myself into. I feel bad for you.

That kind of thing. Why do you have to push yourself into that? Because I watch everybody else say things like don't change for you. It's like, and I don't want to be that person that's like the instantly like negative one. But it's just frustrating.

Well, why don't you, I mean, I can add to that. But I don't think you should change the way you feel about anything.

Okay, just because it's the popular opinion because that's never been you.

So don't do that now. Yeah. I think that we should get all our facts straight. Yeah. Because there was a time where Wendy sat at a table and then he showed it.

And said, I don't know what the bills are. I don't know this or I don't know that.

“Now the law will say you should have known what you didn't know.”

Right. But on the flip side, she's constantly talking. If she doesn't know the money, the bills, none of that stuff. But she's constantly talking about spinning money and spinning money. Like a lot of her personality on the show.

She's not what the fucking bills are. That's usually somebody that doesn't have the concept of a dollar or know what things How much things cost or what the living expenses. And there is that man who just wants to please the queen. And let's himself get in more debt and more trouble and more spending and more spending

Rather than to say no and feel like less of a man. I'd love to find that person. Do you think it's possible that she had no idea what was going on?

I'm never going to speak on something.

I don't know all the details too. Ask me after the case. If I because what I think because I don't want to say something on on this. Because I don't know. Yeah.

I see. I don't want to ask all. We don't know enough about the case. I don't know enough about it. But when I do, then you can ask me and I will be honest.

Yeah. But right now. But right now we don't know. Who early? I could definitely tell you I believe she doesn't know how much things cost in the house.

I totally believe that. Clearly. She's always wondering, what is my package? Where is my package?

“And I think Stasis is the one that's like what what?”

What is the package? And we have done seasons where we didn't do a package. I think it was maybe last year. There was no packages at all. None.

And package. What do you mean? Okay.

So basically they go and, you know, it comes up with a monitor.

And they go over to Zelts year. Like, Giselle did this and Giselle said this and Giselle went there and Giselle did this. And then they discussed it. Well, maybe Giselle didn't have a, maybe a lot going on. I don't know.

But they Giselle did not. If you were on the show, you got something going on. I know. Giselle. She just pulls the whole time.

Talk about. It seems like there could have been something, right? She spoke off. Well, Giselle wasn't happy about it. And when she was going to give her final thought, Giselle's basically said,

"Since I didn't get a package, let me tell you." And she looked like she was mad. Mad. She literally was like, "My kids are good and this is good." And this is good.

I love to talk to you about my new business ventures. And yeah, that was, she was clearly upset. I remember when you're, they forgot Emily. Emily. And was she upset?

Yeah. Well, I don't know. She's upset. She's like, "What? I mean, I would be happy if my package was forgotten."

There's got to be fights about it. I'll tell you this. I probably wouldn't have fucking noticed if they forgot my package. I wouldn't have either. The day is so long and so many moving parts,

I would have not noticed. I probably, like you, would have been happy. Very happy. There's a lot to answer to when they say that. Well, then Stacy.

Stacy. Really, Stacy out of all the things you could have said, like, she wants to continue being herself and not change. No, she said she wants to be more transparent.

Well, first she said, "I want to continue to be myself and not change."

And then she says, "I want to be more direct."

“That's what it was, direct, not transparent.”

Yeah. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You want to be more direct. Well, let me tell the truth. Okay, that's fine, but let me just tell you something.

I don't think you're capable. Stacy, I love you. You're beautiful. I've gotten a kick out of you. I think more people should take a page out of your book.

You don't think that you can. You know, that's not something that comes very easy to someone who doesn't do it. Yeah. Don't you think?

Yeah. Well, Wendy says she wants to leave with kindness. Now you're saying that. Yeah.

I, this is like scary for me.

When we finish and they're like, "Can you give us a statement about your season?" I'm like, "Oh, fuck me." I hate this kind of stuff. I get nervous.

I stumble over my words because you were not. But you know what I'm going to ask her. But Tamara, you've been doing it 25 years now. Always ask. Do you think people care for just in case they do.

They do ask a lot.

“They'll say what they do say is what was your thorn?”

What was your rose? That's when you get a lot. Which I like that. I kind of like that because it's when it's said like that. You go right to the worst and the best part of it.

Right. I just feel like by the end of the reunion. Eight, ten hours in. You're so spent, man. That's what I'm saying.

I'm saying for ourselves, look at my package all day. Yeah. Do you feel like this was a good bye for Wendy? Or from Wendy? Do you think she won't be back?

Do you think she will be on next season? Yes. They don't want to miss the fall and rise of somebody that goes through something like this in their life. Do you think I've missed in this?

She's the first one I see coming.

I'm curious to see what they're going to do or where she's going to be at in this later on. That's the other thing. You know, I'm going to, you know, I'm sure he's with whatever information we have now. I'm sure he's to know what she's up against. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know when court dates are or when you this stuff takes forever. Sometimes it takes years. But you know, Paul was saying he's like. The lawyers that just didn't happen overnight.

You know that's coming. They just don't show up at your house and rage or house like that. Well, Andy asked, you know, he said he was reading some of the things that were in the court documents and said that they have no money. And he asked her about that and she really didn't answer that one.

“She's like, well, I can't remember exactly what she said because some more on long lines.”

Well, I have to trust what the courts are saying or something like that. She should have said. Your damn straight on broke. I don't have a dime. Can't feed my kids.

Don't know what. Yeah. I feel like. Start to go. Let me know.

Trust this little, this nail ring I have on that thing. Drop me crazy. That thing. Thank God you mentioned that. That thing on her finger drove me crazy.

It matched her earrings, which is like chili peppers to me the entire time. And then she had one on her finger. I know. I know. I liked it.

You did. I liked it. Yeah. Draw me nuts. But I'm not a jewelry person anymore.

I like my watches. That's how I am. I love my watches. I get a new watch every year for Christmas. I'm very happy about that.

But you know what, Tamara? I have so had so much stolen from me over the years from. Whether it's the cleaning ladies, friends watch in my dogs, taking things. People in and out of my house. And then a huge break in from everything like that I saved over the years.

That was just in my draw. Like, no, I don't want it. I don't want something in my life that I'm going to miss if it gets lost or stolen.

Yeah.

You sound like Gina on our show.

That's what she calls the draw. How do you say? Draw. Draw. Draw.

Purity. Purity. Play water. Water? I don't even know.

Oh, I know. Did you see Gina's pregnant? She's not pregnant. It's a lie. I believed it.

Did I know? And I know.

“And by the way, people are asking if you and Eddie are still together.”

Did they put out something? Uh, constantly. Every single day, they put out things that mean out years. I don't know. It's not true, but I'm just telling you, tell them.

It's not true. He's getting DMs. I'm getting DMs. Oh, it happened. It's those AI Facebook.

I mean, I don't know at this point. They hold. Those AI Facebook. Like, I hate to give them any credit. But people love to read them even though it's so far fetched.

Like, in the weird thing is, as you can only see them on Facebook. If you go to Google them, there's no, you can't find it anywhere. It will direct you towards the Facebook page. You know, it's funny because there was the one that Paul bought a Dior bag for a girl. So he posted a girl with a Dior bag, but you couldn't see her face.

And he's like, oh, this is the girl. Like, what the bag room? Stupid stuff. It was stupid. Fuckin' love it.

Well, it's an older generation that's on Facebook, including myself. Oh, that makes sense.

I never thought of it then.

And it's like, you know, I told you once. I got a call for my mom's. Just checking to make sure you're not in jail because once I was arrested, I was arrested. And then sometimes they'll take the exact same story and just change the names in it. So they did a story about Eddie being a gambler and me, like, divorcing him.

And then they did the same story with Emily and Shane. Okay. So if you're looking at the same, it's the same pregnancy story that I had. My god, a college is called me. He's like, Dolores, this isn't safe if you're pregnant.

I'm like, oh, my god. I remember years ago. Dr. Brian Dang. I am not pregnant. Thank you very much.

“Years ago, there was, um, so I can't remember the outlet, but they were putting out stores.”

People died. And there was one that came out that I died on a jet ski. And it's like, that is so horrible. What if, like, family members or somebody saw this, like, then instantly I had to, like, call my mom, call my dad,

like, do something on social media. It's just something like that you really do. And then the people in this world that comment, oh, good. I'm glad she's died. Oh, my god.

And I'm like, what is wrong with our world? Well, okay, guys, we're going to close Potomac for the season. And we'll see you next week. Good job, ladies. It's just out of your queen queen.

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