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Our hosts are reunited to pull back the curtain for you when sh*t hits the fan behind frat house doors. 99% of the time the reputation that Greek members get is unwarranted but, in these cases, it&rsq...

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Today we are diving into the scandals that made national headlines, the true crime cases, the hazing incidents, the theft, the cover-ups, and the stories that completely changed how people see Greek life. This is "Dirty Rush," hello guys. "Hi, you guys."

"Hi."

"I'm going to be back together again, oh, I know, right?

It's been a while." "Yeah." "Yeah. This is not the most fun topic I have to say." Yeah, but unfortunately, this is honestly a lot of these instances are a kind of normal.

I don't remember it when I was in college in 1986, so remember I had this one friend, he was like a friend from camp, who was also at UT, and he got arrested for running this gambling ring, and a lot of the guys I knew back then, they were all gambling, and there was like a lot of drugs, there was a lot of like, "What was it, like X to C, it was huge?" "Okay."

"Yeah, I don't remember." I don't remember. I don't remember when you guys, these, the ones that were talking about today were talking about like murder, and like, you know, even more scary cases. "Yeah, well, the first one, which is the most recent, there was a disturbing video that surfaced

from hazing that was happening at the University of Iowa, basically, I think a fire alarm

of some sort went off, and the fire department basically found 56 male pledges blindfolded in the basement with mustard, ketchup, all over them, and they basically wanted to know who was responsible for this. Obviously, the pledges, if I had to think back to like when I was in my freshman year,

and when my high friends were rushing, they would never sell out their brothers.

I guess they were kind of just informing the fire department to go upstairs, ...

City Police Department actually arrested 21-year-old Joseph Gaia.

But the charges were eventually dropped, so I think, honestly, when it comes to these situations,

especially when it comes to fraternity hazing, this is like typical, like the guys are in the basement. They are like put through like the most horrible things when it's, but it's like supposed to be like torture, and honestly kind of reminded me of special forces, guys, I'm not gonna lie like that.

There was like the last scene of special forces where it was interrogation, and this is kind of like the last thing that the pledges have to do until they're initiated, but we were blindfolded, we had this black sheet over our faces, and we had a listen to every noise you could think of. Like baby's crying, nails on a chalkboard, pig's and it's slaughtered, like you name it,

we were listening to that for 12 hours. So I feel like it was almost like what these guys go through, for 12 hours, it's crazy. 12 hours straight, it was, and then when they were pulled us out, they were torturous even more by dunking our heads into cold plunges, like, yeah, and roll around in the dirt. So as much as like, obviously you watch this, and you're like, this is torture, it essentially

is, but I guess it's to show and kind of show your respect and loyalty to the fraternity and like a weird screwed up way, but when it really gets messy, I feel like, is when there's alcohol involved, like, oh, there's kind of pledges, finished this bottle of vodka, and then

go on a scavenger hunt, like that's how incident happened, and that's how I'm really

get hurt. I think it's hard probably now to, you know, there's such tight rules and the universities are so scared of, you know, the stuff happening, and for sure, it's stuff happening, not just like, you know, deaths and, you know, assaults, that it's a hard, I think it's probably a hard line, like, you can cross in that line, it gets tricky when there's so much

alcohol and, yeah, and all of a sudden, it's not funny anymore, yeah, and there has been like so many things, I feel like, especially, I think, I feel like since like, I graduated, which was like, yeah, I don't know, like, five or six years ago, but I feel like in that amount of time, there's been like a lot of random things that I've like heard about, yeah, and so I feel like now, like, campuses are for sure, like, cracking down, I know at the

school, I went to, like, Greek life. It's kind of becoming less and less, so funny when Antonia Gorgha, your cousin Gia, obviously, but she was applying to Delaware, and I remember we had like the scene here at my house, I don't think it ever aired, but her and my daughter Rachel, she went to Delaware talking, and Antonia was like a little freaked out about the whole, like, pledging and the hazing, and so Rachel, for her story, she's like, there's absolutely

no, that there's no, we don't, they don't do that at all. I don't know, in terms of you guys,

for me, it was like funny silly things, but there was never anything scary, at least, you

know, sorority wise, was there for you guys? No, never really scary. I mean, it was like big little night where, you know, essentially, your biggest supposed to get you, like, a little too drunk, but it's never to the point where, like, you're unsafe. Like, your big is with you the whole time, you're supposed to sleep at your bigs house afterwards, and you're never, like, not supervised, but it was

also, like, pretty playful. It wasn't, like, you know, that, like, sit on a washer or sit on a dryer and, like, see our fat jiggle or any of those crazy stories that I've heard, but I feel like, for sororities, there are a lot more not as intense, but for fraternities, they really do have, but then through the ringer. Yeah. I agree with that for sure. But then in result, this fraternity in Iowa, the office of student accountability was involved, and now the fraternity

is suspended until 2029. Yeah. So now, you know, when an incident happens, like, that

on campus, that's what they do. They basically just suspend you on campus so that you can't

have any, like, register things on campus. So then if the cops do come to your fraternity

house, then it's up to basically the people who are renting the house. It's not up to the

school to help you get out of those situations. I remember what my son was, what is it called risk, something like, he had to say risk management. He was like, one of the risk management people asked for it. So he used, like, have to sit, like, in front of the

House during the party house and make sure no one got to wasted it.

so I was like, why would you run for this? Like, always like, yeah, but you need to

do it all the time, I guess, but like, just being sort of Uberware, like, not letting

anyone in if they were too drunk. Yeah, you're no one got lost their shit. Okay, this is Wells Adams with, by order of the Faithful's podcast alongside my fellow Faithful's and co-hosts, Tamara Judge and Delores Catania. The three of us have been watching the season of the traders. And we've been inside that castle. So we have insight unlike many others. This season of the traders may be the best we've ever seen. Listen to by order

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, these stories are pretty intense, you guys. So here's one from News Nation.

November 7th, 2025, a masked man broke into UC Berkeley sorority house.

45 year old man was arrested for breaking into a UC Berkeley sorority house,

alfacao mega during the early morning hours of November 1st, stealing food and women's underwear and watching women's shower. Police were called to a South Campus sorority house at the 2300 block of Warring Street. After an unknown man was spotted inside a sorority girl's bedroom and ran out of the back door at 6 a.m. This is not obviously a story about hazing, but you just hear like the story that Brian Coburn University of Idaho, those poor, those three girls in one

boy. I remember like seeing the thing going, um, it was like going viral about one of the

sisters I spoke at the when they were like sentencing him. I remember seeing not go like viral

awful. Yeah, no, it's terrible. I mean, even at Rutgers, um, a lot of instances where it's

girls that are just insorities or even just random houses that are off campus. And then you get, you know, I mean, and this is very typical, which I don't know why this happens, but it's just where colleges are built. But they are a lot of the times in not so great areas. So the bunkers is a big 10 school, but it's in New Brunswick, New Jersey. It's not the best area of New Jersey. And the amount of like countless break-ins from just people on the street or

random men. And it's like it's so scary. Rachel's, yeah, Rachel was an apartment and they broke into one of the roommates car. Same thing at university of Delaware. It's not the best area around

there either. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly, the thing that they caught this guy, like, before any, like,

obviously, like what he was doing was not okay, but that they like found all the guns and everything before something was happened. So detectives with the department sex crime unit use a security footage and additional evidence to identify the suspect as Courtney Alfred and officers searched Alfred's Dublin home following the arrest and found parts to an assault rifle, high capacity magazines, and more than 900 rounds of ammunition. And they charged Alfred with burglary,

prowling peaking and baiting privacy, felon and possession of a gun, felon and possession of ammo and several counts of unlawful entry. Imagine how terrifying you guys. This is just 2025. And this clearly just shows, like, I know there are certain situations where it's like, like, there was an intent behind this. Like, he clearly, like, given what was found in his home, there could have been like this, there could have been a way more worse of an outcome than what

he had. Oh, 100%. Then just like lurking around, he was probably lurking around to plan what his next moves were, which is terrifying. Yeah. Do you guys have, um, because we had, like, we definitely had a, uh, like, an inner com. Like, you would roll up to the, to my, to my, sorority house and a five house and you would push a button to be led in. But do you guys have any more security? We have, like, key cards, like, a fob. Yeah. Yeah, ours was, like, our fingerprint,

actually, to get in the house. Oh, well. And then we had the cameras throughout the house, none were, like, in the bathrooms or anything, but there were some, like, in the hallways and stuff,

not like, everyone could see them. I believe just like our house mom had access to them or something,

but we had them there. I mean, that's great. Yeah. Hey, this is Wells Adams with, by order of the Faithful's podcast alongside my fellow Faithful's and co-hosts, Tamarajudge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching the season of the traders and we've been inside that castle, so we have insight unlike many others. This season of the traders may be the best we've ever seen. Listen to by order of the Faithful's

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I got to be better. I got to achieve this was off the strength of like I want to make a better life for us.

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This next one, Daisy. This one, oh, freaked me out. But yeah, I think I remember this

happening actually. I think it was like when I went to college or like the year before. So this is at Penn State, and the former president, Brendan Young, and vice president, Daniel Casey, are of a now defunct Penn State fraternity, where where a student died after consuming massive amounts of alcohol during a hazing ritual. This was more than seven years ago, but they've been sentenced to prison. They played a guilty and July. To 14 accounts of hazing and one account of

reckless and danger meant all that were misterminers. But prosecutors said the charges were tied to a 2017 hazing incident where in 19, your old Timothy Piazza was found unresponsive after consuming a bunch of alcohol and died days later as a result of multiple falls incurred to intoxication. So he fell. You guys remember this one? This one was. I do. I think it was like he fell down the steps, right? That is fun. Yeah, he, well, they didn't call anyone. So he was that adorable red-headed

kid. He was a football player. And he felt and they didn't call the cops like he was, it was a why. And he, they, it's, you know, it's these stories where it's like you're too scared to call the cops, but if you would have called the cops, he would have been alive. Yeah. Who cares if the fraternity is suspended, like literally who cares? So now Brendan Young and Danielle Casey, now they're charged for this instance in 2017. Yep. Yeah, that's what it looks like. And yeah,

He fell down the stairs.

And investigators determine that he has a consumed at least 18 drinks in under two hours.

And I think they knew, I mean, they knew he was passed out from what I remember at the bottom of the

stairs. Yeah, they just looked like they didn't know it. And they just were like, oh, right? Yeah, whatever. And the doctor calculated that his butt elbow content when he fell down was a point 28 to a point three six, which is like four times illegal limit for driving. I mean, this is the stop you guys like just my age and one day your age, but like you think about this and you're scared to like let your kid. Oh, it's terrifying. Even like I think about like some of my

guy friends like nothing extremely bad. I don't think happened when I was in school, but I

remember even then like they would have to be like pull all nighters. And then like it was like

physical stuff to you. They would have to like go like run and do all these hikes. And then it was like at night, like drinking on top of it and stuff, which is just there's only so much that human body can handle. And Penn State, for example, is probably one of those schools where yes, because there is just so much school spirit and the games and you know, for yeah, if it's a big deal where I could totally see our fraternity taking advantage of alcohol during his hang. Yeah, I was going to say,

back in the day when I was like there was a movie, they might have been revenge of the word nerds. Do you guys know, or maybe it was animal house, sorry, it was animal house. You probably because probably haven't didn't see it, but anyway, it's like a very famous movie about fraternities and the guy has bent over and they have like this paddle and they're like, I want to say it was

John Belushi. It was smacking the guy with the paddle and he thank you, sir. Can I have another?

Is this all going right over your heads? You don't remember any of this, right? But my point is like it was just so it was like a joke, right? Like back then, like pledging, hazing, all of that was made fun of it in the movies. It's just, I don't know, it's not funny anymore. You don't see the lights like it got, the music is serious, scary, things that could happen. Yeah, for sure. I'm looking at the article right now is from USA today. The one that we pulled this from,

but it says that Brendan Young 28 now and Danielle Casey 27 were sentenced to four months and prison followed by three years of probation and community service. I honestly thought it would be more than that. I'm kind of shocked. Looks like they put guilty, right? To 14 account, supposing. Yeah. And then it says the prosecutors and the Piazza family were instrumental in the Pennsylvania legislature passing the Timothy J. Piazza anti hazing law, which established

stricter punishments for hazing and required her schools to maintain anti hazing policies. I remember those parents getting interviewed. It was so awful, so heartbreaking. The kid, I mean, I remember. All kids are dormant. It was chilling. awful, awful. So sad. Well, this is another

crazy story. I honestly didn't even know about this one. George Hucle, the star lacrosse player

who brutally murdered his ex-girlfriend, yearly love. So yearly love, she was a part of Kappa, Alpha Theta and they went to the University of Virginia. George was a star lacrosse player. They dated for about two years on and off. And he clearly just would get violent, lean drunk all the time. And there were multiple incidents where they would be fighting at parties. He would obviously be heavily drinking. I really, I think she was just stuck in a really abusive relationship.

George had choked love at a party where she repeatedly said, "Help, I can't breathe." He sent her threatening email saying, "I should have killed you." She was murdered on May 23, 2010, where he was heavily drinking. They were not together, like with at the same party or anything. She was at her apartment. He probably was drinking all day. They estimated that he was probably drinking about 45 to 50 drinks. And around 1145 PM, he went to her apartment in Charlottesville,

Virginia. And they said that he kicked down her bedroom door, grabbed her, violently slammed her against a wall and left her bleeding and unconscious on the floor. Later on, her roommate then discovered

her body and called for help. George was then convicted on a second degree murder and sentenced

to 23 years in prison. He was also found liable and a wrongful death was who filed by loves family.

I don't know how old he was when this happened.

it, University of Virginia. So he was by in his early 20s, 20, whatever, and only he got 23 years.

So with the time he's 40 mid 40s, he's out, which is surprising. Yeah, he was, he was 22 years old.

I mean, it's just, it's so horrible. Do you guys have friends that were in relationships that were scary?

I honestly, I only ever had one friend that was kind of in a pretty bad relationship, but she ended up getting out of it, but like parents and everyone were involved. But I think when you're like so young, even though like you can like grow up in a great family and like learn like, okay, this is like how should we treat it like no one should ever like touch me that way or like talk to me that way. Feel like when people are in it, it's like harder for them to like see like,

okay, I'll be okay. Like I don't like need this person and it's scary too. It's very difficult. Someone really close to me was in a relationship like this for quite some time and I think it's it's like an illness. You really compel yourself to believing that this is normal. Yeah, and that this really isn't that bad until something wakes you up one day, you know, and maybe

nothing will does wake you up and that's why you hear these stories of women or I know men can

be abused as well, but really stay in relationships for so long, but I think it's the fear of not thinking that you're good enough. I think that these, you know, a lot of the times yes, it is women who are probably getting abused harder like more than men, but I think it's this like beating down feeling of really making these women feel that they are so much less than themselves, that they won't find better, and then these women truly believe that, okay, I'm going to stay in

this relationship until something sets them off. Nothing sets them off or it's too late and they're

done. Right. If you have a friend who is happening to or I'm saying I'll always save

somebody but call the parents, call the parents. You're right about your friend. I know that's like scary also, but as a parent, you know, you don't know everything, right? So yeah, I would just say that to our listeners. You know, it's very scary because sometimes, you know, sometimes you also are so deep in that the parents do know, but, you know, they sometimes they don't want the help and they think of it. And you know, you, your brain is so altered that you

believe that these actions are normal and that this is what you deserve when that's just not the case. And I know it's hard in college because you feel like, you know, some instances, if like,

these scenarios got out in the open that this is the end of the world, but I think it's so much

more powerful getting out of a relationship like getting out of an abusive relationship and staying

in one. I think everybody will look at you with so much more respect rather than staying in one. Oh, 100%. I still can't believe he's only in prison for 23 years. I would have thought that he'd be like their for life than it too. Me too, Daisy. Because I mean, it's 2010, it's 2026, so he's almost done like half of this sentence right over. And then you think about it. Good time, hurl he could odd that he'd be getting out very soon. Yep. So here's another one, another hazing one. So the

independent covered this February 1, 2026 Arizona University student was found dead at an off-campus residence near the school in Flagstaff. The student had attended a Delta-Tout Delta fraternity Rush event the night before. The incident occurred at an off-campus residence associated with the fraternity. The student, unresponsive on Saturday morning and he was pronounced dead at the scene. The death is believed to be connected to a fraternity hazing incident involving Delta-Tout Delta

three flat members were arrested on criminal hazing charges, all of whom were executive board members. Those arrested were Ryan Creech, who was a vice president, Riley cast the treasurer and Carter S. Slick, a new member educator. So when I've that many details happily, because I find it so hard to read and think about, but about in terms of what exactly happened, but what would happen to these the fraternity members that were arrested? But it's just more of the same. It's just

so scary, right? You guys are like died from a rush event the night before. Off-campus housing, Batman's obviously that this house wasn't affiliated with the school. Most likely would you agree on that day'sy? Yeah, because if it was like an off like because like you have your like satellite house is typically also a fraternity house, like you have your main house, that maybe is associated

With the school, but then you have a bunch of random houses that people from ...

they throw like post-game parties there, etc. So I'm assuming it probably happened at one of those

houses. Yeah, that's just so sad. This was just a rush party. The police are running into the backyard

right now. Yeah, I started watching it too weird. They looked like someone was like chasing someone at the end. Yeah, like they're running and they're probably chasing one of the fraternity members. Yeah, sickening you guys. So crazy. I mean, I don't, I don't know. I am surprised that Greek life has survived a long time. I know, obviously got it. So the 18 year old student. So he was clearly a freshman. Yeah, he was just, I mean, rushing, which is rushing. It's had to because

like freshman year, like everyone's just trying to like figure it out and stuff and like as sad

as it is, I feel like freshman year is easier to like give in to like peer pressure and like want

to like do these things, right? Try to fit in and then you have these like upper classmen that are like telling you to do these things. It's just so sad. It's also just so hard when you're, when you're pledging and you're trying to get into the fraternity that you want and you're so young. Yeah, when we were 18 years old, I mean, even sometimes now we get carried away probably when we have our drunk nights and drink too much, obviously not to the

point of like, you know, to what they were doing, but imagine being 18 and you're trying to get into this fraternity and you're trying to fit in that college and do all the right things. You're gonna just drink and think that this is the right thing to do to get into the frat.

Like you have never a lot of maturity. That's why I don't know, my kids in listen, I always wanted

I wanted them to take a gap here before college because I was like, I just, I don't know,

and I always felt like, did you have to have your shit together? Like it's, you know,

I think so many kids they feel so let loose in college, right? And you're right, you're like, you know, especially like you feeling insecure at a party, what helps? Yeah, booze, right? Like let's get a little drunk or let's get a little drunk or and I don't know, very, very scary. Yeah. All right, guys, there's more to this episode. So, make sure to check out part two where we continue breaking down even more true crime stories,

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