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Welcome back to Unashamed. It's like we're in a Bizarro world. I was literally taken that phrase.
“We think a lot of light because we get the call of Zax. He's got a big meeting.”
We're praying this morning about that. He said Jill was coming and I get here. And Maddie said, "I don't know. Jill's not going to be here." And I said, "Just talk to Zax and I will go and then she said, "Well, size coming in." And so that was the last podcast. And which was a lot of fun. Jill is back." And now we've replaced Zax another major upgrade with Corey. Corey, welcome back to Unashamed.
Thank you for that introduction. I'm afraid from Zax. I'm afraid from Zax. I'm afraid from Zax. I have a feel like I'll have a lot to fill if I'm sitting in Zax. Trust me, the bars love half of what Zax just said. You're not registered. I had no idea when he's talking about it. And for those of you that will probably comment about Jayson erupt in Zax,
but in Jayson's defense, we were just trying to get where we needed to go. Yeah, I apologize for interrupting Zax. But I thought he was like it was a graph for help a couple times. Because he started talking about it. Well, he would stop and have this long pause, and I thought, "Is he done?"
He needs some help. Because he was thinking. He was. And what we were talking about about the greatness of God, but he was getting so excited about it. So he was getting fired up. But in the size defense too, he just did an over an hour podcast and ads.
And Corey was here doing something amazing.
So I want to hear about this. I'm coming in from a two hour podcast talking about the shroud of Turing. Which is where it was found. Turing is where it is now. And Italy, Turing Italy. But it has traveled around, which I've learned a lot in the last two hours.
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is I'm Dr. Jeremiah Johnson. He's not Johnson, right? Not Johnson, right? Yes. But that happens to be his name.
Yes. Are you kidding? I would have taken that as a sign for some. Well, you'll have to listen to it because he's on say. He's where that's good.
And he's here in person like just in the interview. When I came in all the red lights are on here. So everybody was recording this. Everybody has a long beard. Does he have any kind of job?
He doesn't really look like the Jeremiah Johnson that you had. He doesn't really look like the Jeremiah Johnson that you would think. Yeah. Did he say that? I've been to a town.
No. You could ask him. He might say that for you. He might say that for you. He might say that for you.
So he's on say this podcast today.
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It's the resurrection cloth because it has this incredible.
There's no other child. There's no way to replicate this. Per all of this scientific study. And a pression of Jesus' body. His wounds.
All the different. It all of it corroborates with scripture. And so it's not just only his face. This would have been covering his whole body. Covering his body.
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She'd say things, she sounded just like, say,
I mean, she picks up her mannerisms.
“That was like, this one here is a little thing.”
But she can already spell her name. It does all these things. She's just four years old. She's really smart. She's so much like say to you.
It is kind of like reliving a little say to you again. And she definitely picks up on everything everybody does. It says super cute. That's a good thing. Yeah.
Super cute. Yeah. So we have twins. That's very exciting. We're in love.
Other big news are second season of The Revival is out now.
It's out as well. I never knew it. I thought that was already out. Which I was wondering, because I thought, man, I did.
I was in that lot. You're in a lot of it. Bring in the guys from Duckboy's to Duckman. That was the goal. It was like this podcast.
Can you tell? Can you tell? Can you tell? I said a TVD. I will tell you this.
In real life, it was actually great for our relationship. Because I was a little bit, you know, you get on TV. You can get away with anything. So I was really hammering them. But it was based on a true story.
Because I was like, you're going to hunt out here. We're men.
“And there are certain things that you need to learn and understand.”
And I think some of them weren't ready for the. I mean, I was. You put on three of them. I brought a hammer. Because you did like it.
It was Zach and Barry because we talked about that on the last. It was kind of like that. I remember Christian coming to me just in real life. And he's like, I mean, you really have a problem. And I said, well, yeah, but it's a process.
But you're doing well. I mean, I was trying to building back up a little bit. I thought we were not a TV show that I was speaking the truth. just doing it rather harshly. Yeah. And you have to kind of condense it into a moment. Yes. And there was an injury, Christian got hurt, like legitimately got hurt. Yep. So it's part of it. It's part of it. It's
revealed on the show. Yes, it's must see TV. Yeah, it's on the show. And you know what I said, you got to get back up. And this is one of what we did. Right now in our communities, pregnant women are being pressured to make irreversible decisions in moments of fear and panic. They're toe-dact quickly and leave many feeling like abortion is their only option. But because of you,
“they have another choice and the choice is life. I think all three of us are heavily engaged in the”
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Luke, the other huge CS Lewis nerds. And so they had already read all the books and everything and it's Christian and I are just like, we, we felt like back in college and I'm cram because I, I'm half of what this man says. He's way over my head. And so we were relating to our audience out there just like, "What?" And so we, we did a lot of fist bumps during that six lessons on CS Lewis. And so we've been friends. I mean, in their defense, I put them on the spot because whatever
coordination of the show that was going on, I was playing the role of my dad. I had no idea what was going on. I showed up and said, "Come over here and sit down." Of course, they have no idea what's fixing to happen. I asked them basic questions is, is how the, I guess, through the episodes, kind of merged. Just about how to hunt, how to survive. And so I would ask them questions, but you know, on the spot, they were a little nervous. They were cameras around. I didn't know what to say.
Yeah.
like once or twice, maybe before he came into a family, Jacob did. So Jacob had some more
“"Will you be in a hunting family?" But I think he was just overwhelmed, you know,”
I would just ask basic questions. He was a little intimidated. Yeah. And that's face, you were
going out of your way to give it to you. But here's what I'll say. It made great TV because it's
like, and it humble them because they, I was asking them simple questions and they were just like crickets. I'm sure they'll answer crickets. Well, I always thought the original show, anyway, that dad was like, his stuff is always so subtle. If you go back and watch it now, it's so funny like the way the way he, it was just dad being dad. But that was like what Jason's doing that. So I see Jason definitely kind of morphened into that person. It's funny,
but it's also just like sharp. You know, it's the way dad was when he, his stuff, you know, with all the STDs and the job that he could just explain the cold sex with the crawfish.
“I mean, those are classics. But that's just, that's what dad did. Yeah. Oh, I remember him”
having those conversations with us when we were dating. So that was not just for television.
Well, I tell everybody when they ask about that, I'm sorry. When they ask about that, I always say,
what you saw in the original show was a lot of stories that happened with us when we were kids, but then we were retelling it with now that's grandkids. Yeah. But if you're right, every bit of that stuff you did, let's go ahead. No, it was going to say, speaking of Phil, if you missed the first episode, because it came out last week, if you missed the first episode, you got to go back and watch, because that's a tribute to Phil. And it was, it's so powerful.
It's so good. And Jason already revealed to T's that he didn't even know seasons was out. He hasn't watched it. So you got to go back and watch it. But here's the thing. And you can watch it on any, but also, I think you can, you can buy a mon Amazon for like $1.99 an episode. So if you watch one,
“watch that one. Especially our audience on a show, you need to do it, because you know how we”
reveal your dad. Yeah. And if I encourage Jason, blame it on us, but he forgot his Bible today.
And so, dad's, you know, we set it up over there. It's always here on set. And so this is the second time,
Jason said to go to it. But we get into a Bible study. It's so amazing because we'll be somewhere, and we did this in the last podcast. And then we're reading dad's notes in the margin. And this is that we still get to it. It was so funny, because I showed this on the last podcast. So you had first John 2, first John 3, and you're like, what did Phil think the problem was? He just put one word up here. I know what you mean, Phil. I got it. Look into your own heart. There's the problem.
He's going to call him out. Yeah. Well, this episode is so special, because, well, one, when we all watched it, I mean, we all just balled your old crowd when you see it. Well, maybe you won't. I don't know. But we all probably won't this day. It was pretty. And it was just like, this is the reason we did this whole revival, just for this one episode to happen, to get to have this tribute to Phil. And for Phil's words to just reverberate again. And I mean, we got to preach the gospel through Phil on this episode.
And there's a lot of flashbacks to Phil. A lot of times when he speaks, there's actually flashbacks on a shame podcast. So you guys did hear talking about Phil after his passing. And um, and there's like K got to do an interview after Phil passed, which was really, really powerful. I was nervous for her. I was there with her when she did it, because I was just like, you know, I just don't want, you know, want this to be special for her. And she just did so great. And at the end of it,
she ended up loving it. She told the producer who was asking her the question. She was like, you didn't think I could talk this much to you. You didn't think I was so funny. You know, it was a sweet to see her enjoy and talking about Phil and reminiscing and and making the, making the producer laugh a little bit and everything is always sweet. So it's a very special episode. You got to get back and watch that one. Well, I'm excited now. I am too. It's worth the trip.
I'm too. So we won't talk a little bit about first John since we got two lovely ladies here who are women of God. I don't know. So in the last podcast, Corey, we just had this thought and I'll just pick it up there. And if we get in these first few verses, chapter four, we will. But he was talking about this phrase here in verse is at 19 on the greater. Yeah, this then is how we know that we belong to the truth. It's first John 3 19 that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at
rest in his presence. We went on with that quite a bit here later. Whenever our hearts condemn us, for God is greater than our hearts and he knows everything. And so he kind of took off on that term greater. And then he also says that John says that in first John 4 and in first John 5.
Well, in the first John 4, I would argue is one of the themes of what John's ...
It's just such a profound statement in 4/4. He says, "You, dear children, are from God and have
“overcome them." Talking about the spirit of the Antichrist in the world. But he's like, you've overcome”
that because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. So you're starting to see a theme here by John. It's like he's greater than our hearts. He knows everything.
The one in us is greater than the spirit of the world. And then when he gets to first John 5,
we were talking about testimonies and telling our story. But he says that God's testimony is greater than our testimony. First John 5 and now we accept man's testimony. But God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his son. So good. And I may to point in Matthew, where when Jesus was predicted to be born in Luke's version, it says he would be, he'll be great. He'll be the Son of Man, all these different things. But he'll be great.
And so I went through this thing, I heard it on a sermon somewhere in Matthew, where he gives the sermon on the Mount. He does all these parables. He does all these miracles. And you get all the way to Matthew 18 and the disciples. They've been talking and they come up and they're like, we've got a question for you. Who's the greatest in the kingdom? Because they were looking at it from their perspective. And I made the point where there's other examples were John and who was
with John that got their mom? James and John. James and John get their mom to say, "Hey, can my son sit on the right and laugh after the washing of the feet?" Our argument breaks out on who's the greatest. And so we were talking about this, how our hearts can dim us in that because we want to be great. And I made three little points just about our identity. We want to be known. We want to be loved and we want to be secure. And that's where all that comes from, where everybody's
argued about who's the greatest, who's the greatest, even the disciples, see on the greatest human that's ever lived. And they're over there thinking, oh, who's the greatest? And so Jesus does this
incredible illustration. He's talking about having 11 kids. He takes a kid and puts it now in
front of him and says, "You want to be great? This is what greatness looks like." And I think John is riffing off that. Maybe he's still embarrassed about his mom going. Because he keeps calling us children of God. We are children and we got he said that at the end of chapter two. And God's greater than our heart. The one in you is greater. His testimony is greater. Why are you getting all this pressure about trying to be great and making a name for yourself when he's making you great? And that was kind of
“where we were at. I don't know if you want to give you all thoughts on that. No, because we had”
just ended there because we ran out of time. But I was thinking definitely that John now and I think Joe you said this in the last podcast that, you know, this is the guy that even referred to himself
as third person in his own book, the one who Jesus loved. You know, he wouldn't even refer to himself.
Because he probably wasn't embarrassed about him as a young man. But he gets it now as an older man because now he figures out when Jesus had that comment about the 12 thrones days. There's one text which says, "You'll sit on the 12 thrones." That's when he says that the renewal of all things. And so in their minds, I'm sure when they heard that, "Oh, I get my throne." So that's all these greatness questions. What they didn't realize was that the throne of Christ is down below. I mean,
his throne is one that serves and he's down on his knees. And so, and I look at it in even my own life as at least I've gotten older and doing this movie project really made us think about it. I mean, your grandkids, they think you're great, but only because you love them and you serve them. And you do anything. And it's like it totally flips. It's not like you're the boss of people. It's like you want to, you know, it just kind of naturally fits. Have you noticed that? Yeah, that's so true.
I was thinking of, I remember Irwin Menis talked about this one time about that, that exact scripture and he talked about how Jesus is not saying, like, don't try to be great. He's saying, "What makes you great is not what you think." It's not the opposite. And yeah, the older you get, the more you, like, realize that when you're younger, you're trying to be all these things and
“think that's what makes you, and that becomes your identity or whatever. And then as you grow,”
you're like, "Oh, what people really want is just need to be with them. We just serve,
Need a love and care for.
in that conversation, we were just had with Dr. Jeremiah Johnson, we were talking about
“John 3 16 and about, for God's sake, to live the world that he gave is only Son and how”
transformative that went for the reader to read during that time period because, another God's were like that. They weren't there to serve. They weren't coming for you. They weren't there to give their Son and then hear again Jesus saying, like, all, it's just so transformative for that time period because they're thinking, "What makes you great is your wealth and your power and all this?" And he's like, "No, it's opposite." And so
how much of scripture even to our ears, we kind of like know it a little bit, but the people that were originally being taught this, that was like mind-blowing. Well, it's so opposite.
We did, in our Hillsdale course on ancient Christianity, I learned something, I didn't always learn
stuff, I didn't know, but I didn't know that Caesar Augustus, who was the Emperor during the same era, they were making him to be a Son of God because he was the first Emperor to be declared, and there's all these similarities. Well, that was all done by Triumph and because, you know, Rome ruled the world. And so again, for such a time as this, God was in his son, during this time, we're all of known humanity was called in this guy, a son of God, because he was the Emperor,
that he would then say that was going to be what the Emperor is going to be for the next 300 years. There are God. And so in here, Jesus comes out of this completely humble situation, unknown, nobody, I mean, even the Jewish leadership didn't know who he was, remember, they were confused, they were the where he was from, and yet the Son of God would come and then die, a death,
“and then be raised. And all these things that happened, there was no other, that's why Christianity”
is so unique. Well, this is a perfect segue and what I wanted to get to, because that Matthew 18, I think what led to that was what happened in 16, when Jesus, he comes up in verse 13, he goes to the region of Cessaria, Philippa, and he asks his disciples, and this is a familiar passage, but based on what we've talked about, I think there's a principle here that I can't get out of my head, and he says, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" And they replied, so it's kind of like,
you know, you know, imagine they're all gathered around, it's like, "Who do people say Son of Man is there?" They're like, "Oh, let's try to get this right. John the Baptist others say Elijah, still others Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." So they didn't really answer the question, I mean, to his liking. They just gave, "This is what people are saying." And I think this comes back, this next question comes back to this part about, if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than
our hearts, because Jesus is like, "What about you? Who do you say I am?" Well, Simon, Simon Peter, answer, "You're the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon, for this was not revealed to you by man, but my Father in heaven." And I tell you that you're Peter, and on this rock, I'll build my church in the gates of Hades while not overcoming. I'll give you the keys to the kingdom. And whatever you bind on earth will be bound, and whatever you bind
in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosened in heaven. And then he wanders, I will not tell anyone. So you know what happens here, Peter starts thinking, "Ooh." You know, that's like, "I'm the minimise." Well, yeah, and this came, I had a revelation from God,
“him, that I didn't even know him. And I got some keys that you all don't have. And I think that's”
what happened, but you forget that then they have this next conversation about where he predicts his death. Yeah, so I mean, the next thing that happens from that time on Jesus began to explain to his novels that he must go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests,
and teachers, and what you just said, that he must be killed on the third day, be raised to life.
So now this new Peter pulls him off to the side. Can you imagine he comes up, said, "Let me explain this." Because I really believe-- I really pushed back on what you just said. I believe the greatness in his mind was real. He's like, "See what I said?" See, I have emerged as the greatest, which is why two chapters later, they're all fine about it. I think they come up and say, "Well, now let's just go ahead,
say, who's the greatest?" Because you say, "What happened?" Jesus, Peter took him side,
Began to review him.
this is not the Lord and Son of God. He wants to follow one that is betrayed and dies. Which makes sense from his in his mind? And Jesus-- I mean, one thing that you can say, "Sometimes Jesus is not nice when it comes to the truth." He's like, "At a my sight, Satan, you are a stumbling block to me." You don't have-- and this is goes to what Corey said--
“you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of man. And so what would hit me, though?”
And there's a point I want to make. He believed Jesus is Son of God. He just said it, few verses later. And it made me think of churches that are filled with people that acknowledge Jesus is the Son of God. However, they don't understand what that means in their own life. And what that's going to look like. And the part what you said about what greatness really is, you may have to suffer. You may die with-- he eventually did. And boy, it was a sharp contrast,
which continued this argument about who the greatest. But I just thought that was so profound
on what that looks like, which is John's whole point of first John. If you claim to love God,
you're going to love other people. That's not going to be easy, right?
“And it'll cost you something. I think that's the thing that it's so hard for us to get”
outside of the mindset of just an earthly kingdom and to Corey's point, what we think greatness is. But if you look at your own life, if I look at my life, and I think what about my life has been my great moments or the greatest things that I've experienced or gone through, they have all cost me greatly. I would think of having kids. It cost me my body, time, money, the rest of my life, you know, comfort, you know, I think of as adopting Ruth, you know, we talked a little bit about
this on the last podcast, you know, I was 40 years old, my kids were all, you know, functioning independently, you know, and we started over in life as parents with an infant that cost us something, but it was, and is still the greatest cost I, you know, ever. And I think that's just the hard thing.
And that was Jesus' message always to your point. What you think is great is actually not great.
But when you get down and when you serve and when you get involved in people's life and it's sometimes messy and it's sometimes, you know, doesn't work out perfectly and labor sometimes goes bad and all the things, but when you're involved in people's life, that's where that's where true greatness is. This whole section started off when he said first John 316, this is how we know
“what love is, which I always think of that song. I'm like first John 316, if you want to know what”
love is, we have a quote from heaven, Jesus Christ laid down his life for us and we all to lay down our lives for one another. And so it's, and we're talking about this, we did a zoom call with my son and his wife and their three kids this morning before I came up here. And, you know, Brighton is already the party four weeks, you know, and I thought, you want to know what land down your life is and Reed made a joke about it, which she didn't lie off, but he's like,
because I said, well, Brighton, you're, you're getting there and she's like, oh yeah, yeah, I have no idea. Reed said, we're at the gutter-roll utterance stage every time she made, she's like, oh, oh, all day and I thought, this is what laying down your life. You're surrounded by three-note kids. And it made me think of that story of Matthew 8, too. You had just thought, man, these kids, they don't just happen. Right. There is a lot of laying down everything that
you just described, you know. Yeah, I just, I just watched Mary Kate go through a twin pregnancy and there was, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a sacrifice. You know, the gutter-roll utterance stage. Yeah, so I got to watch, you know, then be born. And it's, it's a sacrifice. It's hard work. I slept with two Grand Baby's last night. It was a sacrifice. It must be because I had
me and my side. A lot of like, really just went upstairs. So he was just like, never mind.
I was like, I was like, it was like musical spots in the bed. I'd moved to another spot that I didn't have a foot in me and then, you know, they would find you. I'd find me. Yes, exactly.
I definitely know what that is.
before to me and never said publicly either. And it kind of calming off guard because she was talking
about, we were talking about this idea of serving each other. And she was talking about when she had after the breast cancer surgery and the reconstruction that, you know, she had all these
“drains and stuff you have to do. And we had some of our friends and one of them is an nurse.”
And so they were like, well, you know, I know you don't, you know, want to do all this and probably don't know what you're doing. And so we'll help. And we'll do the drain clean in and all this. And this was like the first day, you know, she was going to come home from the hospital. But I remember saying, when they asked me, I said, well, I really appreciate you. That's awesome. But no, like, this is my job. This is what I'm supposed to do. Like, this is why God has me here.
I need to serve her in this way. And I'm going to learn how to do it. And I'm going to do it well. And so the text showed me everything and how to do it. And you had to put the gloves on. It was multiple times a day. It's a tough job. But, you know, for a week, that's what I did.
And Lisa, here's what the part she's never said before. She said, you know, I always thought,
you know, when, when Al forgave me. And because we'd already told her story. So they knew the obvious knew that that, you know, I wasn't sure whether he loved me that much or he loved God that much. Because I always felt like he made the decision because he loved God so much that he was like going to do right by me because of his faith, but not really for me until he did that for me. Wow. And she said, and then she said, and then I knew that he loved me that much. And I was like,
I mean, I was tear it up. Then she looks at me like, okay, you go. And I'm just like, what would give me? I mean, I didn't hurt this before. But, but looking at from her perspective, I see that. And when you see this text and you see what Jesus did for us and you see what God did for us by sending us Jesus, it shows us about this love you mentioned in John Kerry. And the idea that he loved and he is love, later he says in chapter four. And so he said, well, how could we possibly
“do this? You know, because John said, walk like Jesus did, but we do what Jesus did. That's why we,”
he walked to the cross. And then they put him in the tomb and then he walked out to show us it could be done. And that's what we do will reborn. As you hit then the last time, we walked to the tomb. We're buried. We come forth with new life. And then we understand that it's in love and compassion, the continue to go out. So it is a beautiful picture. I mean, it does give you so much confidence. When you really begin to grasp the greatness that comes from the left. What advice would
y'all give? I mean, this, these principles sound so great, but on a daily basis, we all live in the world where distracted. What I'm curious to know, because y'all are not on our podcast much, what, what is that look like in your everyday life? How do you try to get these principles of having the mind on godly things, rather than how great we are? Yeah. Well, that, what you were saying about Lisa saying that for you, I was joking at the beginning about Willie Levin and pick up six.
And he does, he likes to, he likes to do that work. But more than that, it is a sacrifice for our family. He's cleaning up our family land. So it's beautiful for all of us for us in joy. So the kids can be safe out there because there's limbs that are sticking up everywhere and all that. So it is, it's more than that. And I've seen that in him. It's, it's, every time I say about their work, and I'll, I get emotional about it, because I'm like, it's so sweet that he's doing that
for our family, you know, because he could just stay there or whatever. Or fire somebody.
“Power somebody. But he loves, he loves being. He loves doing it because he loves and I think back”
as his childhood, you know, y'all know, y'all saw he loved to clean the yard for K, because K loved that, because he's not doing that. He was really care about that. That was not something filled cared about. So I think Willie loved doing that as a child for his mom, because she appreciated that. And now I see him doing that for all of us. So it's a sacrifice. It is, it's showing his love for us by doing that. No, I'm sorry. I miss it. Missy asked me, she's like, I'm seeing
you work this hard. And, but I said something that I wasn't trying to just have a moving moment, but it moved her. And I was like, baby, it's much stuff that you got going on. I don't want you
to worry about this part. I got this. Yeah. It's just, you know, you just don't even give it a second
thought, you know. And what next thing I know, she was, she was getting emotional about it. But I was like, I know. I was getting emotional talking about it. I was going to. That's the story. Jill, any last words were almost out of time. Well, I just, I love, you know, let's do talk about Willie, I think God gifts you with something that you love in nature, whether that's cleaning up
Yard or whether that's sewing or baking or whatever it is.
to pour out for other people. And so whatever that is in your life, it's, it's the little things.
It's not necessarily the big things like the conversation with Missy. I just think with my kids, it's just being sacrificially present for them in everyday conversations and drives to school
“in, you know, taking them from one sporting event to the next. It's just being present. And I think”
that's one of the ways we can actually serve the greatest is being in the moment and not so far ahead
of it. Yeah. Oh, that's so good. And I guess, and Jill, in your case, it'd be doing the, what is what are you doing the wheat germ bread? I'm milling my own grain. Yes, it's really fun.
“I'm baking all day every day. That's what I was doing. It was such a Zach moment, Jill, when”
he told us about it because I knew him well, he didn't say this, but I knew what the problem was
and Lisa backed me up on, it's because he had to buy all this stuff. And so because first she was
like, I mean, why are we doing all this wheat stuff? Why didn't we just kind of buy a loaf of bread? But I know it's because he's so tight. He's looking all the stuff Jill's back. And then he said, I walked in and I smelled the bread. And it all went away. Yes, right. And then he's
“fragging about it there. He's like, I don't know why she's grinding her own grain, you know?”
There's a lot of health benefits to it, but that's another podcast for another day. We'll bring you back for that. Well, thank you both for adding so much to the podcast today because we were flamed in a little bit of Jason, I know what we're going to do when it was just me and Jason. So y'all I'll brought much wisdom and bless it. Thank you. Thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast and don't miss an episode by
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