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President Trump keeps saying the war with Iran is ending soon. I think it's supposed to help you. I mean, I view it as very close to over. We've heard some version of that for three weeks now. How much longer will the war that Trump said he won in March?
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[MUSIC PLAYING] Pakistan is trying to get the US center-run back to the negotiating table before the end of the two weeks ceasefire. Since the last round of talks, the US imposed a blockade on Iran where the chances of the two sides reaching an agreement.
And Vice President Vance, a Catholic jumped to the President's defense after Pope Leo criticized the war with Iran.
“I think it's very, very important for the pope to be careful”
when he talks about matters of theology. The pope says the world needs to hear a message of peace. Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day. [MUSIC PLAYING]
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President Trump is talking about the war with Iran in the past tense.
Fox Business Anchor Maria Bartromo noted the president's word choice in an interview with Trump that aired Wednesday. Well, you keep saying, was, is this war over? I think it's close to over here. I mean, I view it as very close to over.
You know what? If I pulled up stakes right now, it would take them 20 years to rebuild that country. And we're not finished. We'll see what happens.
I think they want to make a deal very badly.
“But Trump has been using variations of that line”
for three weeks now. With the latest, we're joined by NPR, senior political correspondent, Tim Rakeet. Hey, Tim. Good morning.
OK, so there were peace talks over the weekend in Pakistan that stalled out, went nowhere. So how is it that the president says the war is very close to over? I mean, the president has been making bold claims about the war
being nearly over since just a couple of weeks after it started. Won't be much longer. It's moving along fast. We're way ahead of schedule. You know, I don't like to say this.
We've won this with this war has been won. Won't be long. Good answer, we had to take a little detour. We won, OK. They are militarily defeated.
So that was Trump on March 17, March 24, March 26, and April 6th. And those attempted declarations of victory are, as clear as sign as any that the president wants this war to end.
There were reports that the administration had requested an extension of the ceasefire. Press Secretary Caroline Levitt using very precise language said Wednesday, that was not true quote at this moment. She also said that while there were discussions
about resuming in-person talks, nothing is official until the White House announces it, which they haven't yet. I mean, listening to the president, he's constantly moving the goal posts on this war. Can he just keep making promises backing out,
making more promises? Trump does this all the time using vague language that makes him and his objectives hard to pin down. I called up Tevi Troy, a presidential historian who served in the George W. Bush administration.
And he said, wars evolve. And US presidents have often found themselves having to explain to the American people why the mission has changed. He says Trump's style gives him wiggle room
that others haven't enjoyed, but that only goes so far. He can say different things at different times to highlight what he's trying to accomplish at that time.
“But at the end of the day, the things that are important”
are, will gas prices go down? Will the Iranians have access to a nuclear weapon? Will they change their behavior so that future American presidents don't have to deal with this? And the most politically significant metric there
are the gas prices? Right. I mean, no one likes paying $4 a gallon for gas and that's much higher in parts of the country as well. What is the administration have to say?
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett came to the White House press briefing yesterday to talk about tax cuts. But he got a whole lot of questions about the war
and ultimately said this about gas prices.
I'm optimistic that sometime between June 20th and September 20th, that we can have $3 a gas again. Trump campaigned on $2 a gallon gas and congressional Republicans could bear the brunt of voter frustration in the midterms this fall.
But Senate Republicans voted down a war power's resolution again yesterday, remaining hands off of Trump's war. The economic pressure really explains the urgency from the president to get this over with one way or another. And PR's Tamarkey, thank you for the reporting, Tam.
You're welcome. U.S. Central Command says over 100 fighter and surveillance
Aircraft and more than a dozen warships
are enforcing a blockade of Iranianships in the state of our moves.
But Iran's also choking off the runway, and that means the bulk of the Gulf's oil and gas remains stuck unable to reach the rest of the world. Joining us to discuss the latest is NPR's international correspondent. I have a try we in to buy.
Good morning, Aya. Good morning, Leyla. OK, what's the latest on the blockade and the blockade back? Right. So after the U.S. and Israel launched war on Iran in late February,
Iran effectively shut down the state of her moves. And that left hundreds of tankers stranded in Gulf waters. And then Iran took control of that narrow waterway, allowing only a few ships a day to transit in coordination with its armed forces.
But now, not even those ships are moving beyond the state because the U.S. is now positioned at its mouth in the Gulf of Alman, blocking Iranian cargo ships. I want you to have a listen to audio released
by St. Com of the Navy enforcing this blockade.
Another step to bridge the blockade.
“That's what we've reported for interdiction.”
It sees our tracing torque from Iranian force. Turn around and compare it before it. Even like this blockade, it will use force. The whole of the United States Navy is ready to force the blockade. With the straight blockade, what is this mean for energy markets
and consumers right now? The price of oil has shot up around 40% from what it was before the war. And Iranian accounts, these official accounts on acts and social media are trolling the president about this.
One of those accounts, Iran's embassy in Thailand, actually wrote Trump 2028, but they wrote it as $20 and $28 a gallon. So really just referring to how those prices continue to climb. And throughout the war, there were more than 80 attacks on energy facilities and refineries across the region
from Iran to Israel to Iraq and Gulf Arab states. And analysts tell me, this is the biggest energy crisis in history.
They point to a loss of some 13 million barrels of oil a day
because of the closure of the state of her moves. Ellen Wald, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council's Global Energy Center in Author of Saudi Inc. A book about the state owned a ramco oil giant,
“says there is a severe supply chain crisis now around the world”
in fertilizers, aluminum, liquified natural gas, polymers, plastics, even diesel needed for the construction industry and agriculture. All of this from the hydrocarbon industry and that energy that's stuck in the Gulf right now.
A lot of those products are made in the Middle East. And so even if we don't be sure the giz of it, particularly, we're going to see prices increasing because of it. And she says, although Americans are paying more for gas now and haven't felt in other ways, like other countries have,
she says prices across much of the economy will go up the longer that this goes on. Is there any chance this ends soon in some kind of agreement between the US and Iran where they agree to extend the two-week ceasefire
that ends Wednesday of next week? So there's a lot of diplomatic efforts behind the scenes. Pakistan is the key mediator now and its prime minister is on a regional tour
to shore up support. And today, Pakistan's army chief, who's been leading the talks, is in Iran for meetings there. But the White House, which called this operation on Iran Operation Epic Fury, now is calling it
Operation Economic Fury, saying they're targeting Iran's assets and it's banking. But look, Iran is digging in. There's still no agreement on nuclear enrichment. And Lail, all of this is happening
while Israel's war leaven on against the Iran-backed Hezbollah continues killing dozens of people daily. Many of them civilians and Israel's prime minister, just yesterday, said he wants to extend Israel's occupation of Lebanese territory eastward
to where Israel's already holding Syrian territory. - That's NPR's A of a trial in Dubai. Thank you so much for your reporting, A. - Thanks, Laila. (soft piano music)
- Hyprofile supporters of President Trump are not backing down in Trump's fight with the Pope. Vice-president Vance, a practicing Catholic, borders our Tom, Holman, and House Speaker Mike Johnson have all defended the president.
- Let's bring an NPR senior political editor and correspondent, Domenico Montanara, to talk about the politics of all of this. Good morning, Domenico. - Hey, good morning.
- So the administration has been doubling down on Trump's position. What is their defense? - Well, I mean, lots of Christians, we know we're offended by that AI-generated image
of Trump as Jesus that he posted on social media after his back and forth with Pope Leo. Leo's really taken a stance against the Iran War. Trump deleted that post after a backlash. He went so far as to claim that it was him as a doctor,
though that was widely panned on social media. Vice-president JD Vance, though, was more than happy to defend Trump. He was Tuesday night at a turning point USA event. - But I think that it's important.
In the same way that it's important for the Vice-president United States to be careful when I talk about matters of public policy,
“I think it's very, very important for the Pope”
to be careful when he talks about matters of theology. - You know, Vance was talking about the concept of just wars noting that forces sometimes necessary like he said in the freeing of Holocaust survivors,
I mean, telling a Pope to be careful
in matters of theology, that's really something. - Yeah, what has Pope Leo been saying? - Well, Leo's traveling in Africa and spoke with reporters on the people playing, he talked about the importance of going to a mosque
during a stop in Algeria and promoting a message of unity and peace. Here he is in a video posted by Reuters. To say that although we have different beliefs, we have different ways of worshiping,
we have different ways of living, we can live together in peace.
“And so I think that to promote that kind of image”
is something which the world needs to hear today. - So the world needs to hear today, he said,
and the reality is Catholic teaching
doesn't really align neatly with either American political party for Trump though, of course, everything is binary, either with a more against him. - Presidents have been meeting with Pope for a long time. But if Catholicism doesn't fit with either party,
why is the relationship so important? - Well, I mean, these are two of the highest profile positions in the world. The American President represents a superpower, Pope's represent a moral power,
and American presidents want to be seen as a moral authority.
“It helps their case in trying to sell their worldview.”
People like Ronald Reagan, for example, had a strong relationship with John Paul II because they both aligned against communism. And the world's superpower and moral power, both saying communism is not the way to go.
Certainly held a lot of weight. But the US is slipping when it comes to being a moral authority, or perceived as one, and a recent NPR Ipsos poll, for example, found that just 39% of Americans said America is a moral authority. That's down from 60% in 2017.
So the Pope, speaking out against Trump's actions, come at a particularly vulnerable political time for this president. - That's quite a drop, but what might the political effect of all this be then, if any?
“- You know, it's probably not going to mean”
a wholesale abandonment of this president by religious voters. They largely like him, voted for him. And a lot of conservatives, frankly, have been wary of the direction of the papacy
since the elevation of Leo's predecessor Pope Francis, who really focused on social justice issues. We have seen some dips for Trump with white evangelicals recently,
and Latinos who were critical for Trump
in winning Catholics in 2024 have really moved heavily away from him since his inauguration for the second term. But that's more likely to do with negative use of the economy and the war rather than religion. So Trump and the Republican Party really can't afford
to slip with anyone else. - That's NPR's Domenico Montanura. Thank you so much for your reporting Domenico. - You're welcome. (upbeat music)
- And that's up first for Thursday, April 16th. I'm Leyla Faldin. - And to me, Martina's today's episode
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