#3242 Bonus: Rob Has a Podcast/Watch What Crappens Crossover

Well, hello, and welcome to Watch Your Crappins.

“I'm Ronnie, that's Ben, and today, it's not just Watch Your Crappins.”

It's also Ron, as a podcast, and I'm Rob Sustrino. So thrilled to be back together. Oh, my God, I'm right. Yes. This is a thrill.

I'm specifically excited, not just, obviously, as a fan of Traders and Survivor. But also, like, we go back about 20 years or so. Yes. Yes. Well, once a decade, I like to collaborate, so I'm so happy to be back together.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Two, two, I mean, what people don't may not realize is the back and the "Heady Days" of 2004, 2005, Ron and I were doing TV gas and you were doing

the fish bowls and we see each other at these, like, reality show, event, things in an LA all the time, you know, and that was like a whole different world back then. And we made it. This is so great. It's a vibe, also.

We're still alive. We made it through. True. We're still working. Yeah.

Yeah.

“You made it all the way through that time into podcasts actually matter, now, which”

is crazy. Right. Right. And you guys are so successful, and the only place where I have you beat is that there's only one of me.

So I don't have to split the money. Yes. Oh. Oh, we've both got murder plans. I'm sure we're taking life insurance out on each other over here.

Yeah. This is great.

Let's not diminish your accomplishments, I mean, you have built an amazing empire

over on your end. We sort of have our own areas of reality TV. Yeah. You know, like, we're a lot more. The traders brings us together.

Yeah. It actually does. It does. So for our listeners, Rob, you're covering survivor, you do big brother, too. Do you do it just all the CBS reality.

Yeah. I would say the competition reality shows.

“So anything that's a game with their strategy, that's the stuff that we really.”

But survivor is number one, and the traders has been so huge. And we do a lot of big brother coverage all season long, so really anything that's a strategy game. Yes. A big brother is a bear too to keep with that.

Yes. You know, we've had seasons where we've done big brother. And that is not an easy one to keep up with, especially when the season sucks or something, you know. Yeah.

Which has been the case recently. Quite a bit. All right. This last one was good. I don't know how closely you follow.

But you know, we'll get onto that, but like I've heard that this last one was a really good season. But you know what?

What we're going to do is we're going to do, first half of this episode.

We're going to talk traders and we're going to talk Rob about both you having now been on it and also from as you as a commentator about these sort of games. And then the second half, we're going to do something that is, I personally really excited about we're going to talk survivor. Oh.

Bonnie, are you excited for survivor? Yeah. Listen, I've watched tons of survivor seasons. I used to do videos called survivor in two minutes where I would make these comedy videos and just do the whole episode into.

I used to be obsessed, but these shows just go on forever. I mean, that it's season 50 at some point I just had to, I know a lot of the people on this one now. I remember Coach. Yeah.

I remember. And he's exactly the same. Which is hilarious. He's got like a bravo thing going on where he's coming on. He's like, who is two-pointed.

It's like a different, it's a different coach. Nah. More points out. Yeah. I guess.

Yeah. I've seen a couple of his. So yeah, I'm pretty into survivor. Yeah. Nobody's ever like to take a dive.

This is like about a three-point one. This is like a little bit of an update from the last one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I do like the incremental, like a one-pointed team.

This is like the patch. No, it has a rock. They just have a reset. Oh, man. I've changed my font.

That's it. Okay. Let's start with the traders. And of course, the question I have to ask. Yeah.

Because I feel, and you probably answer on your podcast.

And if you're like with us, we are so consumed with bravo that we never get to, you

know, really listen to too many other pop culture podcasts. Yeah. Apologies to your listeners who've been. That's okay. If you don't know everything I've ever said before.

Okay. But like the burning question for me is how was the traders experience different than the survivor experience for you? So, the traders experience is so bizarre because you go there and it's not necessarily like survivor where it's like, okay, I'm going to get my people and okay, I know I have

the numbers and I'm in a group and I'm safe where on the traders, if you're a faithful,

And even if you have numbers that somebody in your numbers could be wanting to kill you

or you said the wrong thing to the wrong person. And so there's so many different ways where you screwed up and even if you didn't screw up, somebody thinks you might not screw up and then they could just end you like that. So survivor is an easier game to play.

“I think than the traders where the traders is just, there's so much randomness to it.”

Yeah. Yeah. I saw some of my friends, I'm a huge board gamer and I play a lot of these social deduction games, et cetera, and a lot of my board game friends struggle with the traders because they feel like the faithful don't have any way to get any good real information and sort

of just sort of scrambling and so for them, the strategy side of that is like really, really hard. And I can imagine that idea of like just going into this game and you think you're doing

well, and then you're just, you are just like snuffed out in a second because you said

the wrong thing to the wrong person and you had no idea, I mean, I personally love that as a viewer.

“I think it's like, oh, it's a great TV show as a game.”

It's probably not as elegantly designed as survivor, which is really just such a perfect game in terms of the, in its purest form.

But the traders is meant to be a spectacle first.

And there is a game that's being played more so by the traders where the faithful that they can avoid the purge of just being picked off by the traders that there are a lot of things that the faithful can do later on in the game. But they just don't have as much control over their fate as the traders do or as a player might have on survivor or big brother.

Well, yeah, I mean, as far as the gameplay goes, you see how much it hurts you to have a kind of gamer brain because you hadn't figured out pretty, I mean, right before you got kicked off or murdered? Yeah, you got banished, right? I got murdered. So I got murdered in plain sight. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, he got murdered, you figured it out, you're on the line. And you're on the handiest. Let's go. Oh, when then you were dead. Yeah, and you were the only one that knew that a murder plane site was probably happening. When Candace started up that Congoline. It was for us as viewers. It's like this is the most random thing ever. And it did not strike anyone as strange as strike you as strange that she was doing like it strike me as strange.

I know that she has said that, you know, she for whatever reason that she wanted to do a Congoline, I'm not sure why that that was a thing, but she had been talking about it for like a day or so of like we should do a Congoline in the castle nobody's ever done that before. But I was already thinking, okay, there's a murder and plain sight is happening. And then once I was looking for anything that was weird or out of the ordinary and then the Congoline started I'm like, that that is actually very weird that that was happening right now. And so I hid from the Congoline because I thought that that was maybe the thing the traders were doing of like whoever is the first person in the Congoline is going to be the murdered person,

which was actually better than what actually was happening where it was like, hey, you actually know that somebody's going to just burn your card in the fireplace. But I was very concerned about that. And then I maybe not so smartly then was like, I got a warn people about this side of the traders are trying to kill people can this they're going to kill us tonight and so I tried to warn can this about the murder and plain sight. But I was already dead at that point. They already threw my card in the fireplace.

“I was going to say did you have you talked to, okay, well, that's interesting because I think the way it was presented was that you had said something.”

It looked like you had said something beforehand and the card had happened afterwards, but you were already burned. So they had already made the decision. So what they presented in the show. And again, I wasn't there. So I don't know exactly if this was how it played out. But Rob and Lisa were making the decision of what to do. I was with Candice and then they went and threw my card in the fireplace and Candice didn't know who they ended up killing that night. And so she was sweating bullets that I hope they killed Rob see because he figured this stuff out and then she was very relieved when it was me.

No, bummer. So a big article came out today after the reunion on Vulture saying, "Dell more housewives on traders." And that is very, that is a big controversy every season on traders when I'm reading the Reddit threads. People having a fit out the housewives. I mean, such a fit. I look at it and I think, you know, the gamers are pretty dramatic as well. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of drama queens with the gamers as well. I mean, Jam Jam, obviously you, you're kind of a drama queen. Last night you watched Jam, or this weekend on the reunion you told Jam Jam, he was a pick me girl.

Yeah, and also just to just to clarify, not to clarify, but to add on to here's a quote from from the blurb that was because none of us were willing to pay the paywall. It says, "What gastres?"

Listen, this is what they put out there, okay? So author is Joe Reed and he says, "After last week's lackluster reunion," which by the way, they've all been lackluster. This is the fourth lackluster reunion in a row. Actually, the first season didn't even have one, I don't think. But after last week's lackluster reunion, it became clear that the housewives don't want to play the traders. They want to play the real housewives of the Highlands and have arguments that spill out into social media, then meet up for a housewives style of reunion, which I would argue is all reunions on reality V with their patron Andy Cohen.

Contrast the season couldn't have been clearer. Rob Roush played a near-perfect game while Lisa and Candace made mistakes and then spent the better part of two months telling it. Any Instagram follower podcast shows who would listen about how they were betrayed in a game that's literally a game, the name of the game.

“So what are your thoughts on this blazing hot take?”

Yeah, I have gotten to see the fan bases of battle a little bit, especially on Twitter, where that the strategy fans are saying, "Oh, the housewives, they don't get it." And Lisa and Candace are being bitter, and then the housewives fans being like, "Okay, the gamers are ruining things and Rob shouldn't have done what he did." And first of all, I think that you need both of these things for the traders to work. And I do think that the reason why it's so successful is it is this Avengers of reality TV where the housewives bring in, they really put a lot of the asses in the seats for this thing, because if you didn't have housewives on the traders, it would not be nearly as popular.

I think that it's no coincidence that the second season when Fadra was a trader, that was the season that the show really became a juggernaut.

So first up, you need the housewives for the trade. You can't do the traders without the housewives. I did think that some of the things that Lisa and specifically Candace were saying about the game that Rob played, that I don't think that Rob did anything that wasn't above board in the trade with that. I thought that was super low of Candace to come on in accused him of cheating blatantly. And it was so stupid, you know, for those of you who didn't see it, she was saying,

"Well, I heard that you told Rob or you told Colton that I was a trader." Well, dummy, even if he did, it wouldn't matter. It would only matter if he said, "She's a trader and I love kids."

“I thought that was a nothing. She did not really have anything there, but I think that what I saw there at the reunion show,”

and I hadn't ever been to any of these reunions with the housewives was that you're being talking to them and they're all normal. And then they go into like reunion mode. And so that they are, they're working it. And so they're doing their thing, they know what the assignment is. If you thought it was lackluster with that, it would have been even more boring if they were just like, "Hey, you know, tip-by-cut. That guy was good." And 100% would have been, and I think what Joe Reed seems to be missing from what I can tell here.

And I know Joe Reed's a nice guy.

“Is he a housewife fan? Do you know, or does he watch the housewives? So, right, that's what comes through to me, which is that, what housewives fans, what we all love, is the excitement of these crackling personalities coming together.”

Yes, sharp tongue women who've had to kind of get by with their sharp tongues and their wits and clashing. And I think it actually is an interesting parallel with survivor. I feel like, or maybe earlier seasons of survivor, people just focus so much on those who had brawn, you know. And like, I think in later seasons, we have come to really appreciate those who can be a little sneakier, and those who are really can use their wits. And like, what I like about having the housewives on there is because we know what sort of personalities they have. We know that when they are, if they're put on the hotspot, they're going to defend themselves and interesting and entertaining ways.

And it's exciting to see them being thrown in the mix. And so when he says, when Joe Reed says, "Oh, they just want to have arguments that's built on to social media. They're not trying to have arguments that's built on social media."

And so it has to be like, "Oh, they just want to have arguments." I think it's actually so dismissive of a whole element of this game because so much of this game.

Yes, it's about strategy, but it's not purely about strategy in my opinion. All these games, traders, and he's mafia. All these games are about how you interact with people in your social game. And the housewives, like their strength, is the social game theoretically. And so I just feel like it's totally, I think, I feel like this is, it just totally dismisses a really valuable component of the game to just be like, "Oh, whatever with the housewives starting fights." It's time for commercial. It's time for Rapids Commercial.

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I don't think it has to do with that there were too many housewives on the cast.

If anything, it was more of an issue of the faithfuls, not being able to put things together and be able to crack what was going on towards the end of the season. And it really was an exciting end of the season. So I don't feel like there was any issue with the housewives being so prominent in the season.

“I think that the show, and I was the biggest person to be a...”

It came at my expense, if anything, where I ended up being murdered early because there was payback from that the housewives had been taken out so early in previous seasons. They got power, and it was a lot of like, "Hey, let's take out the gamers in this season." But the show needed to do that. The show needed to do that because it was getting too much wearer. Well, we know the survivors are a trader, we know a big brother person is a trader, and so they showed this season they could do anything.

I would actually love. When you were talking about the game, not being as good as a game as a survivor, what improvements would you make to the format of the game? Like if you thought, I'm going to sure thought about it.

“I think that they need to do more for the faithful to be able to protect themselves where things like,”

I don't know, maybe if you get a trader out, then the traders don't get to murder or there should be more ways that players could get shields and try to protect each other. I know it's sort of like a wear wolf type game, then maybe there could be like a doctor type character who is somebody who could protect one of the faithfuls. If they think they know who the traders are going to murder, could they try to save a person. So I think that the faithful are often just sitting ducks, and so that the traders are looking okay, who are the people who are the smartest people, and then let's try to get rid of them and try to drag all of the people who are never going to figure it out to the end.

And sometimes that could be not as exciting to watch. I think that like the, you know, I play, if you ever played the resistance or resistant to avalaner, it's kind of like it's kind of one of these games, you know, and a lot of a common thing in whether it's resistance or mafia or wear wolf or blood on the clock tower. Yeah, there's like someone who knows like for sure who one of the traders is essentially, but if they just are like, I know it's this person, then they are going to be at high risk of getting getting murdered.

So they have to like sort of like show that they know the information, but they can't be too crazy about it and makes a really great tension. And like when the traders are mirrored, we're not premier, but after that first season, I was like, oh my goodness, this format is so ripe for so many interesting variations, because you can start adding in secret roles that these games all have.

“You can have a season where it's like it is all housewives in the terrorist or it is all survivor people and you can mix and match, but like I think like aside from adding roles and things like that hidden roles where people have special powers.”

I think the number one thing they've got to do is they've got to tighten up their approach to the competitions because they just don't carry any weight for the audience. And also I think it's the thing we all care the least about. But if there were an element where the traders were actively in every single mission working to sabotage the ability to get shields like if the mission fails or this thing doesn't happen and then no one gets shields.

That's a really good point. I think a lot of people throughout the idea of like well the traders should be trying to prevent them from getting money like it's the mole, but to have them be able to prevent the players from getting shields is actually something that they would want and it's also. That this person blocks me, I think that person's a trader so could lead to more interesting discussion at the round table and because a lot of times the round table stuff where it gets ugly is sort of like you seem like a trader, you I think you said something wrong the wrong way.

So maybe if they had like a little bit more to go off of like the discussion would be a little bit more substantive at the round table.

I don't know how much you're allowed to talk about of stuff that didn't really air, but there was a lot of controversy this season will a couple things first was the Donna Kelsey secret trader.

And why she was so quiet, a lot of people online were speculating that she was they just got her off early because she read it herself out basically and told somebody she was a trader is there any truth to that. I think the Kelsey was probably not really thrilled to be a trader. My read on is that Donna was out of her comfort zone. She was a trader. It was not a thing that I think that she necessarily wanted it was sort of like randomly who that we're going to make one person a trader.

“I got the sense that she didn't necessarily want to be that person and then she was doing it by herself and I think that she was like overly cautious. I think she would have been better off if she was one of the normal traders.”

And that like had like a support system, but I think that she was a little bit just not ready for being having that role and having to be by herself and make those calls.

Yeah, another one was this Derinda versus Ron. Yeah, Ron stuff because Ron once he came off the show, you know, we saw some of it where she was saying, you know, you know, that's because the better families and stuff run. He's like, I don't get the fuck about your family. So we saw some of that stuff, but after, you know, he's been doing a lot of media and a lot of sets, you know, as a comedian talking about the show and suggesting that there was a lot worse side of Derinda that they kept editing out.

“And then trying to set a lot of really problematic stuff to him and, you know, there's been a lot of stuff like that going online. Did you feel like there was a lot of stuff that was left on the editing floor with those two?”

I mean, I wish I knew I was home when all that stuff was happening.

And so I definitely got that Ron feels that way in terms of how that he, what he got from Derinda, I don't think the he would make that up, but I also haven't heard from a lot of the people, oh my god, that Derinda was horrible to Ron when we were there. So I think there's a lot of like Derinda acting up that the, no, if anything, Derinda from season three to season four, and you guys are the Derinda experts, I don't know if Derinda seems like that she's totally just like chill and zen and I mean other than saying to Ron, you didn't ask him about their families, Derinda was very quiet and was not at all like the person that we saw in season three.

Come back from the mission and start yelling at everybody and maybe it was an adjustment, but I don't know. I think it was different.

“I think it wasn't adjustment and that's why I was like sad that she got murdered because I wanted her to be on the hot seat because I felt like if she would be on the hot seat.”

Then we would have seen that Derinda and it was definitely an anti climactic second run for her for us because we were like we were so upset that we got like a sliver of her last season and so when they brought her back, we're like, yes, now we're going to see Derinda and she's going to be, you know, she's going to. But actually, she was really on the defense like she had a few words with more, but it was really sad to see that it was sad to see Porsche go out early too. And I think about she's fortunate the reunion, you really could imagine like, oh, she would have had she would have just been a true to so fun to watch, you know on this show and seeing her deal with people, you know, that was like a.

That's a gut punch loose portion of how many of them that they got that were eliminated early. We're just good. I mean, you and poor and didn't get to do anything. Yeah, yeah, we're for you. What do you think about the the health, the Donna Kelsey twist, by the way, in general, did you think that's a good twist?

That the real traders like I could imagine a world where they're getting pissed like they're not giving us the people that we want to murder like if the secret trader was like really messing with these people and like giving them only like their friends. I don't want to kill them like it could be something.

“I just thought that with, you know, when it wasn't really a fair fight to have Donna versus the three traders who I think in their own way were all like pretty capable.”

When they were working together as a group like they were pretty formidable those three and then once the wheels came off it fell apart. Yeah, I liked it as a viewer personally. I enjoyed that, you know, we had no idea who it was because you know, for the past few seasons, I'd love that we know who the traders are and you have this amazing tension but sometimes you think match what would this game be like if I didn't know. So to have just like one was like I thought really fun and I hope they I would love to see them try it again and see if it sort of pops more the second time but I enjoyed the guessing game just as a spectator.

Yeah, it was something that they tried that to speak to your point that they really were trying to give you that. Okay, so when you're at home, you don't know when they go stand in the circle of truth. Are they going to say they're a trader or a faithful, can you figure it out at home, but I don't think you really ever could have figured it out at home because I thought that they weren't giving you a ton of clues as to what to what to be looking for. Well, it's kind of a fundamental problem in the game for me is that there's no real clues, you know, there's no clues for anything.

So it's just basically a guessing game to the end and most people are super dramatically acting suspiciously.

Yeah, it's, you know, it's kind of a carnival game.

“But eventually, like for the faithful, if you can make it past like the initial couple of rounds that you could say, okay, why did this person do this?”

How come when we brought this person's name up? Why are they defending this person? And then especially, yeah, and then it starts to snowball then once you get that first trader, it's like, okay, why this person voted with this person? Okay, why did this person vote for this person? And so I do think that there's a lot of ways it can unravel for the traders.

Once you get a couple of rounds in, but it's always going to be a little unfair for those first couple of people who end up getting murdered just for whatever reason.

Yeah, I mean, so if you had, if you had made it deeper into the game. Yeah, two-part question. Do you think you would have been able to sus out Rob?

“And second of all, do you think you would have been able to discern that Candace was leaving a breadcrumb?”

Because one of my pet peeves on the season was how she left the biggest breadcrumb. And my, from my vantage point, a lot of people's vantage point, and no one seemed to really, you know, anything with it. Listen, I was not on Rob's trail when I was there. He seemed like he was not even interested in being there. He was like in the fridge eating cookies, like getting drinks, like he was in the very beginning of the game, not doing anything that I thought was suspicious. But as the game went along, you had those two big boats that Candace put where Candace was like, "It's just random." And then she goes for him again, but also the fact that he has the dagger.

And then he doesn't end up being murdered. And it's like, "Okay, well, nobody in that group was a trader." So I think that that was also a big tell that he has that dagger for so many rounds that he never has to use, where if you were a faithful, I think you'd want to burn that immediately, just to get that monkey off your back, where it's not another reason for the traders to kill you.

And he never really has a shield. So I think that that also would have been pretty suspicious as you got towards the end of the game.

Yeah, do you think that his looks helped repel him to the wind? And I don't want to take that away from him because that's part of the whole package, but he really had the women, any of the men, all really just eating out of the palm of his hand. And he doesn't talk a lot. He comes off as somebody who doesn't seem like he's really scheming. He was good in the challenges, he's polite. So he did so many things right, but in that castle, the people were just swooning for Rob. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Yeah, but you can't hate on someone for being cute, you know what I mean? So do you think, if you were a, if you had been a trader, what, how would you have, how would you have handled yourself?

And I felt like that if I was holding back this secret that I was a trader, I thought that that would have come off as shady to people.

And I knew that the survivors were going to have a big target on their back, and I really was worried that people were going to come in and look at me as, oh, he's a gamer. It's always one of the survivors, and we're going to banish him right away. But I felt like that if I could come in and be myself and be a valuable person to the faithful, I thought that would help me. Turns out that I played in a season where there were no other game people that were in the turret, nobody was keeping me safe. And so people all thought I was a faithful, but the traders didn't want to keep me around.

Right. I'm kind of like ready for a time when we can not have this like hell swabs versus game of war. I'm just sort of like sick of it because I like, I'm fans of people from both sides and watching them like take each other out and then you get stuck with Mark Bales at the end.

It's like really annoying.

Yeah, and Mark's a really nice guy also, but I wanted to work with the hell swabs that we had. I thought mutually aligned interests where there was five people from the games and five people from the housewives shows and you had Michael Rappaport there and Michael Rappaport was like, okay, okay, let me I'm a math guy, okay, so there's five fucking housewives, okay.

“Okay, five, one, two, three, four, five fucking gamers, okay, that's a fucking trade or right there. And I was like, I set the portion like, hey, do we have a Michael Rappaport problem? Like, I think that we need to like try to work together.”

They have numbers. We have numbers. It should be the housewives and the gamers versus everybody else. Like, why not try to work. That is a great point because if you could just make it halfway through the game, you could do a survivor style, just make it halfway through as a team and then turn on each other, you know.

Yeah, we're just trying to keep you safe for a little while.

Yeah, I would love to see an all survivor season or an all gamer season and an all housewife season. I think that would be nice because the housewives could be actually be housewives because, you know, as people saying, oh, they're trying to make it so dramatic. They're so tame on this show. Yeah. How they usually are. Yeah. You know, I mean, you can see in the reunion because Candace comes out a little more as Candace and Porsche had the whole reunion. I mean, the whole reunion was Porsche and she was on their like two episodes. So, you know, they could really take over the show. And if they were really ready to let their freak flags fly.

“And then on the opposite end, I think the gamers would be able to be a little more vocal and not”

to just shy back from being as scary to the rest of the cast because they're the big gamers, you know. Yeah. Oh, I think that the gamers that play next time, I think are going to be playing very scared from the start because now I feel like there's such a reputation and it's such a thing. If we have to take out the gamers, I wonder how much also derinda coming into last season and then going off on bot the drag queen if the housewives came in this season a little bit, hey, I'm not going to like create as much chaos.

Or drama. I'm just here to get along with everybody, but if they really weren't having a lot of conflict in the actual time in Scotland. Well, you know, right. Well, I'm sorry, but the Bob the drag queen thing, during it didn't really go off on Bobber and he that Bob came for derinda right away, so derinda didn't go off on Bob until the reunion. That's when she came in like, "Oh, yeah, good, good Bob. I'll be so nice to you, Bob." Wasn't she mad that they ate dinner without her? Yeah, yeah, she because they were stuck on that pontoon.

They did that job. So I forgot about that. Yeah, so she was just, I love that, but it is such a bummer though that she came back and was so clearly, it was like, oh, I can't go off on people, et cetera. And what's interesting about, I think especially the traders, maybe even more so than survivor or big brother, you do like develop a meta across seasons. And so people are often reacting to what happened in the last season. Like, oh, well, the gamers we seem to scare is we have to come in to kind of chill this season.

“You know, and everyone else sort of react what happened last season, which is why like, you know, I don't want to kill the golden goose, but that's why I kind of want to have more more seasons of it.”

It's hard to wait for like once a year because the seasons are actually really affected by it. Yeah, so it creates an ongoing kind of like conversation between them. But I think it's like, it's such a malleable format. You really, like Ronnie said, you can do a season of all housewives. It would be great. You kind of have a season of the exact same players, bring the entire cast back and play it in a whole different way that'll be really fascinating. It's such a, to me, it's such a good format. And that's why I just got so mad at that article being like, you know, it doesn't need the housewives.

And like, yes, the house, yes, Candace and Lisa were being salty, but thank God they're being salty.

“How entertaining is it to watch that reunion and watch them be salty. You know, of course, Rob played a great game.”

They know Rob played a great game, but also they, they also, you know, let them let them go and attack them too. Like, like, he deserves that as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah. At least they were upset with Rob that I kind of thought like I was going to go there. And Mora was like, okay, oh, wow, she's going to really give Rob a piece of her mind and she's like, well, he's going to buy me a purse. So she was waiting for that bird and I saw him as she was going around today of her with the bird and child of her new bird and so she got it.

Um, I'm so good. Yes, I'm sad to all the whole time. I don't know. Here comes one right now. Do you guys want to move on to some survivor? Sure. Let's do a season 50.

Like so survivor like you've never seen it before.

Yeah, three hours you guys. No one told me that part when you were like, hey, let's talk survivor too. I was like, I'm damn. I haven't watched that in forever. I turned that out. I was like three hours. Yeah. Yeah, the catch up at three hours. You missed so much that you were overdue. Exactly. No, it was a lie. I have to say, since the switch to survivor going to 90 minutes, I have harder time watching it.

I've been, I've watched every single season of survivor. I'm never going to abandon it. But what will happen is sometimes I'll like miss an episode and like you missed one or two episodes and then you're like in a hole. You're like, oh man, I've got three hours to watch. It's just sort of hard to. And I feel like so many of the quote unquote new era episodes are people going off to another island journey.

“A journey. I honestly, I, I don't want to, I don't want to piss off your audience.”

If this is not the way people are feeling, I can't stand the journey. No, I just, I think that you are in like on the right side of history. I think that so Ronnie since survivor came back after COVID. It's been the new era of survivor. And so it used to be 39 days and that was the whole thing. And now they made it 26 days. So it's less days and they do a lot of different things just to keep it like more random and fast pace because it's a shorter amount of time.

Yeah, and the journey part, they seem to have calmed down on that a bit at least for this season. I guess maybe because we know everybody, but there were a couple where I was trying to watch. I was like, what is this? I was like, well, I lost a lollipop, and I was like, "Kid in the mall." And the mind doesn't put up stuck on the escalator. And he hasn't been able to watch, so I deserve the rice. I'm like, what is this? Is this like you're supposed to be surviving, not crying about every little thing in life?

A lot of back story. A lot of back story. A lot of back story. It's, it's a very touchy feel. I mean, look, I love Jeff Probst. You know, he is one of the, he's, well, the all-time great reality show host of, you know, he's just so good. But sometimes I feel like when I watch Survivor, you know, since his talk show is canceled, he's like,

"Well, the talk show is canceled, but I'm not going to stop."

“I'm going to, like, here's a talk show segment, and you're sitting there and he's like, "What does it feel like?”

You're heated, you're feeling the sand. Have you ever felt sand before? Blue scarf? Have you touched sand before?" And he's like, "Yes, I have touched sand." And what does this sand feel like? I'm like, "Oh my God, let's go. Come on, let's go." That's been another big change of Survivor as it's gotten towards the new era. Is that it really is much more about trying to tell a journey of discovery for all of the players. So it used to be back in the old school Survivor. It's like, "One person's going to win and then what are they willing to do to win?"

And everybody else is going to lose, but one person's going to get a million dollars.

Now Survivor, and Jeff will say this, is much more about what did every single person get out of this journey and this experience? What did they learn about themselves on Survivor? And we're really telling that story in the backdrop of, "Yeah, one person's going to go home every week." Yes, so I'm going to say that. I think every reality show is done that in the past decade where it's like, "Okay guys, let's embrace what makes us cry." But it's not really what the fans want. Well, I mean, I don't know because they keep watching me.

And people even talk like that in real life, it's like, "How are you?" It's like, "Well, I mean, triggered and traumatized. You want to hear about my week?" You know, it's like, "Oh geez." For me, I don't know. I don't mind if there's like, if there's scenes of someone who's like dealing with something, yeah, with the death and their family, what I don't like is sometimes they, like, a challenge will end.

And someone has like, came in dead last, but they like managed to somehow like push a ball up a ramp after many tries.

Like, yeah, what did that call me for you? I'm like, it lasts, it's okay.

Like, this is not the moment where I need to have it like a journey.

“What do you think? What do you think? Okay, so who are you rooting for anyone in this cast?”

Right, like, who are your favorites? Who are your favorites that you want to win and who are your favorites that you think will will win? Okay, so I'm excited to see all of the legends come back in terms of the cast of what they ended up doing. I felt like they brought back too many people from the new era where there's 12 people that played from seasons 1 through 40. And they brought back 12 people who played from seasons 41 through 49. So it really is very lopsided in terms of the newer players that they brought back from the last couple of years.

So in terms of the legends being there, you're very excited to see a lot of the, you know, four timers, five timers, three Aussie coach or all the mainstays and Colby ends up coming back. Then also, I'm, I really like Christian Hubicki, who is back for this season.

“From the new era, I really like Hugh, Hugh. I think is just somebody who is an awesome casting person.”

And he's been so fun to have it and come back. His meltdown on his season was so epic. He was doing so well. He was such a star. And like he just, he really was like, he had his whole tribe. I was like, this guy's going to the end. And then all of a sudden a flip switch. And his meltdown was so wild. I agree. He is like one of the great casting choices.

I don't understand, I don't have like a strong memory of Tiffany.

Well, what didn't she leave like relatively early in the show? She came in eighth in her first season. She played with Hugh.

Right. Oh, that's right. She played with Hugh. Yeah, and sometimes when they knew the returning place, the seasons of Survivor, they liked to bring people back in pairs, where it's like, oh, they fought the first time. So we'll bring them back and they'll fight again. Yeah, I would have liked some, you know what, it would have been great to have some representation of those sort of like middle season. Yeah, you have, you have like a Colby, which is great. Although, you know what?

I did not like about Colby. I did not like when what's his face. Is it a fashion show? What'd you say? Rizz God. Oh, God. I can't stand Rizz God. I cannot. Please tell me he's not a real fan favorite because he keeps on saying he's a fan favorite. And I'm like, they say Rizz is a fan favorite. I mean, he's in a nice job. He's runny. They have a guy named Rizz God now.

Okay, we'll see you do. He's like young and. Yeah, he found a lot of idol or he had an idol and he didn't play it for a long time. Oh, he drives me nuts. And he's like, I'm sure it's like a sweet kid, but. Nice guy. Yeah. Good God. Good God. But, um, well, I don't remember who I was even talking about, but whatever. That's a show. Fashion show. The guy who got, um, why am I playing in the middle of act out? Kyle. Kyle put like a survivor buff around his chest like a, like, a

Hulter or a crop top or something or a tube top. And Colby was like, oh, man, I don't need to see that. I was like, I made a second.

I was like, I'm clocking that Colby. Yeah. Well, remember when he was on the tribe with Richard Hatch and survivor all stars.

“Oh, my goodness. It's, I don't remember that. I mean, I'm, I watch them all, but they also are like, we're together together.”

We're together. Yeah. Yes. But was he, Richard Hatch always blurred always blurred. Yeah. I mean, they actually improved blur technology for Richard Hatch. I think it actually got, they got tracking on it because you had to with that guy. Geez, man. Keep on your clothes. Keep it inside. I love you. You were talking about this. Oh, I'm sorry. Ben, go ahead. No, no, you go. You go. I'm just battling. I was just going to say, I loved kind of the juxtaposition of the annoying people in this episode being the oldest and the newest.

For at least for me, because the one from season one was instantly annoying. Yes. And I just loved just bossy. I wouldn't say annoying probably just came in there like, oh, really? You're going to see it from season one, miss a and everyone, you know, try to get three out and try to control everything and then immediately got sent packing love that. And I can't wait to see it kind of happen to Savannah because I feel like Savannah is has got that energy, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, where she's a newer one.

And she's kind of coming in to control the whole thing to you. So I'm asking her I did have to be pretty interesting guess how well I did guys guess how well I did. I want it all. Yeah, I'm so up and down with her like in some ways. I love her bratty energy and to Ronnie her backstory is that she's she's a news reporter and she's to work at a newsroom and they all hated her so much.

And like that's her whole journey was that she was bullied in the newsroom, but she's annoying.

Which is not not my journey, but I annoyed everybody at work. I love that day. I share some of the place a beloved member of the team and they froze her out.

“Thank you very much for her emotional work. I think it's missing from this because I would imagine that there are a lot of hard feelings going around.”

I read a story, you know, kind of dising Carolyn. You know, Rob is right here. Rob is right here. No, I know. Well, obviously, obviously all of the shows are missing. So who do you think you think really got shafted? I'm not getting invited. Well, Carolyn was somebody who was like the one of the last, yes, locks to come back. And then she went and did the traders.

And then they seem to really take exceptions to the fact that she did the traders, even though some read did the traders, definitely did the traders. But I seems like that they didn't like that Carolyn did the traders and didn't talk to them first about going back and doing that. And then Amanda Kimmel was somebody who was supposed to be in the mix and then ultimately didn't end up coming back. Jerry Nancy really wanted to come back and she was gutted when she didn't ultimately get the call. But to speak to your point, then about not having anybody from the middle.

I would have loved to have seen Malcolm come back where I feel like that he was somebody who had unfinished business from the last time that he played. Yeah, I mean, wow, you know, I would have loved to have come back mainly because I at the very least I could have just looked at him would have been James. Why I was shocked that James was not in the mix.

Yeah, where is James these days? I feel like we never see any.

We never see him. I think he came out at the season 36 finale where they brought back some of the idols that got misplaced. And so they brought him back at the reunion for survivor 36 with Eric Reichenbach. But that's the last time he's been seen on survivor. You know, I think would have been great. I feel like we don't talk enough about Fabio. Fabio is just one of the most random winners of this show.

And he's such a bizarre creature. Like he should have just been in there. I would have been hilarious. They started and they said, okay, we have no winners. We're not bringing back any winners. And they didn't bring back any of the older winners. But then from the new seasons, they brought back three winners.

“So I don't know why they changed that very late in the game because that's why they were like, okay, that's why Boston Robbs not here or poverty or Tony or Sandra.”

We just did it with all winners season. So we're not bringing any of those people back. But then like right at the end, they're like, I'll bring back some of the winners. Yeah, the people that just won, they'll bring them back. Yeah, like D and Kyle and a person. Savannah, Savannah.

Also, you know, from the new era, as long as they're plucking from the new era, there was also that. I'm sorry, I'm really bad with the names. I definitely want to survivor season or Big Brother season ends. I talked away in a zip file and I have to like, well, you're with the wiki. Yeah, but the season when there was like the pastor, she was a pastor, but she was so.

Oh, she can. She can. Yeah. She would have been a great choice. She would have been really good.

She was a villain in that season.

“And the whole season, she was like really like propped up as like the main character.”

But I don't know if whatever happened, if there was like any falling out, or whatever reason they didn't bring her back. I don't think that. Sometimes if they brought back Susan, the trucker from season one. So she was she only came back one time for survivor all stars. But she is, of course, an icon.

Yeah. Yeah. I made some season. Isn't it crazy to tell some people off? Isn't it crazy to think there's been 700 and something people.

51. 751. That's, that's just a wild number of people to go through it all. I would love to have a season of all.

First people voted off because there's some really amazing.

They're cast for a reason. They're interesting people. Let's get them all on there. And like give someone a chance to go from having been voted off first to getting all the way to the end. You could do it.

I mean, there's some story there in the people that, I mean, so obviously you like them enough to have them on the show once. So you could do a season about it. I think that it would be good to do. They always do three tribes. Do one tribe of first boots.

Because I'm not sure if you have eight great first boots. First boots that people would remember. But if you definitely have six. Okay. Yeah.

You can say that's up six, huh? Yeah. So because you guys are more familiar with all of these people who came back that is changed it all. Who's the most changed? Did anybody actually come back as a different version of themselves?

He's going to be Oscar now instead of just regular Aussie.

“So that's something to say on a sideburns.”

Really high now, guys. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He was crazy now. I'm sorry.

He's got actually. He is inherited the hair of a former survivor. Contestant whose name eludes me, but you know who I'm talking about. Jambo. Jambo.

Jambo. Yeah. He has Jambo's hair now. Like that hair. I can't.

Okay. So much green. That's a good one. Yeah. So who else?

Colby the last time he played was cranky and joyless. And now he is this new person. That's like, I'm going to appreciate every day that I'm out here because every every more. I thank God for two things.

Number one. And I'm alive. Number two. I'm on survivor. And then we're trying to be more.

I'm doops. Yeah. Sorry, man. As long as I see any guys wearing a two-top culture top bikini. He was cracking me up because he can tell he's trying to be positive, but he just can't do.

And he's like, this kid won't shut. This kid needs to go. How are we going to get rid of him? And then a few minutes, you know, a few hours later in the premiere. He's like, oh, you're dead now.

Yeah, I'm your dad. I know my dad. Thank you so much because I love my dad so much. I'm like, okay. I regret that.

What's this? This is not Angelina's trying to change. Yeah. So Ron is the Angelina season. Angelina was hilarious because she just lacked any self-awareness. And they showed a clip of it, Ronnie.

But like, this, she basically was part of this woman getting voted off.

Who then had a cameo on the white load, as I'd like to add. And then as this woman's getting voted off, Angelina's like, It's really cold. Can I have your jacket before you leave? Can I have your jacket?

It's like, fuck you. Like, how dare you ask me this right now? Yeah. She's trying to be like, now, like, I'm aware. I'm a mother now.

I understand things. Yeah. Speaking of his change, my white is changed. That he is ripped now. I know.

That was crazy. I was not expecting that at all. I watched his season. I was shocked. Yeah.

He was, uh, he's ripped now.

“I feel like he's going to last a long time because I think everyone wants to get a part in the next white lotus.”

Right. There's like a, there's a meta there. It's like, well, I don't want to be mean to Mike. I want him to get to know me long enough that way he wants to put that in that show.

Well, he always puts somebody from survivor in the seasons.

Yeah. I remember the first season. I was like, wait, isn't that kind of like so familiar? Wait a second. I think he was on survivor.

Yeah. All like, we know. Yes. Do you have, do you have Mike White on your show? So I, with there was one time and I, it was one of the more famous moments in history of robber's podcast,

because Mike White reamed me out. Oh, no. Why? Why? I guess I was an asshole.

I have to take ownership of that. So back in, you know, Mike White famously, uh, many, many great films, school of rock, and, and many others, but in 2017, the movie, the emoji movie came out. And we were like, made like a lot of, like, we were goofing on the emoji movie at that time. And Mike White had done like some rewrite on the emoji movie.

And then when his season was on, I, I, on occasion would ask guests like,

“Hey, what do you think of, uh, Mike White's movies and like, what do you think of the emoji movie?”

And that he, when I got to talk to him. And also he felt like I didn't give him enough credit for his game, which is also fair. He played a really good game and I didn't, um, highlighted enough. But he also didn't get featured, you know, his game wasn't like really obvious in the edit. And so he really, like, laid into me.

And that said that he, um, you know, it's a hilarious interview. But nobody on the exit interview is really coming hot like that. Wow. Well, listen, the emoji. I'm sure.

And now he's looking my ass, too. You're saying, just with his abs. Yeah. Now he can. And you know what, look, he wrote a movie.

Look, he has, he wrote a movie that has 6% on Rotten Tomatoes. Like he loves it. You know what, I think my friend wrote, but there's also a writer on it. Now that I'm saying it. Oh gosh.

Oh gosh. I'm really rooting for these two ladies, um, just to watch their relationship. Because it was cracking me up, Aubrey and Genevieve. Oh my gosh. Both of them are just staring at each other.

It was Aubrey and someone else.

I think it was Genevieve, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Just staring at each other and they're like, um, yeah. Well, like, I could trust you.

Okay. Well, I could trust you. And then it cuts. I don't trust that bitch. I'm going to take it down.

I would be like, I was like housewife. Yeah, it was. And Aubrey's got such a dark energy about her. I only know her from this episode. But I loved her dark her darkness.

So I had to be an Aubrey acolyte for now. Aubrey is great. But I love Genevieve. I just love, I love a cold, smart woman. And she just like, the way she, the way she just like maneuvered through her season.

She was just so great. She was like cold and corporate. And I just loved her. I'm worried that she's not going to make it that far this season. Because people are like, you know, they have their eyes out of her.

You know, they're scared of her. But I just think that she's, she's great. I was so happy that she was included in this. Well, Ronnie, what are the other things that people do a lot now on survivor?

“Is if you're a lawyer, you have to pretend you're something else.”

And now she was one of the secret lawyers. And now they really know she's a lawyer. Oh, can't have a lawyer. Well, I just like that. I think it should get her some points that she's being played by Tony Colette. I mean, I would think that people would like automatically be like, "Oh my God, I love you. I'm your real."

Yeah. What do you think? I know, seriously. What do you think about this twist of in the hands of the people? I think it was a good idea.

But I think that they didn't really give the fans that much to actually vote on. It was very specific things, and a lot of the options were worded in a way that it was clear what they wanted the outcome to be. And they didn't really let the fans vote on too many things that people really cared about. Let there be, should there be two tribes or three tribes? Should there be a final two or a final three?

And there were, I wish there was more things that we were actually voting on the people cared about. Yeah. It feels kind of superficial. And also, it's like, will there be no idols or tons of idols?

And of course, the fans are always going to choose the hard option.

They're going to choose the idols and everything like that, which is fine. But I agree. I feel like it's not very impactful. And what I hate is that Jeff is like, "But this season, I'm not doing anything because it's in the hands of the fans." So the fans had voted, and they decided they want you to win. Yeah.

Well, backstake, because you know that's coming. It's like, you're going to go to the sanctuary.

“Are they going to win the state from outback or pizza from Domino's?”

It's like, which corporate branding will the fans vote for? Yeah. You know, it feels a little overwrought. Mm-hmm. I know.

Well, do we know if the fans-- Oh, go ahead. Do I'm sorry, Ronny. Do we know if the fans got to vote on any of the competitions? They got to vote on what the final four competition was going to be.

Because I have to say, I'm getting also a little-- I'm getting some competition on Wii. I feel like it's sort of getting into a-- We're going up a game. What's the emoji for on Wii?

There we-- Inside out. Let's invite out. Yeah. Like, listen, by Mike White.

Okay. It's just abs. Yeah, just abs. But I do kind of feel like it's, say, grab something. Go under, go under some beams into the mud.

Go up a ramp. They're impressive. Like how they had to go under those logs and then dig a hole under and on the other side. You know, I kind of like--

“Because you have to think like, how would I dig it?”

I would never dig it. I would die. I would just die. Yeah. Just watch it.

Like one of them just reached over and was like doing this. Kind of swimming through it, which I thought was kind of cool. But yeah, there's just-- There's only so many ramps and pulley things you can do. Yeah.

For whatever reason, there's less variety in terms of the types of challenges would do. Like for a long time on Survivor David, like, okay, and now there's wrestling. And now there's, you know, this was, you know, one on one competition. And really everything in the pre-merge is some type of a race.

And then everything in the post-merge is like, okay, get ready. And stand still for as long as possible. Yeah. In turn challenges. This is just a bent thing.

I hate endurance challenges on reality TV. They stress me out. But also it is just standing around. But but largely, I just get stressed out. When it comes time for big brother to have them stand on a wall

and, like, over.

I'm always like, oh, hold on.

Big things. The big brother crossing. That's a whole bunch. That's a whole bunch. Hold on to a phallic object.

Yeah. You know, it's like a flinging hot dog or whatever. You know, I would love to see. I don't mind, obviously, if we have a mix of all these things. But it post-merge, there are so many endurance challenges

that they just sort of become all the same to me. And I just like, I'm, like, I love the auction when it comes up. The food auction. And they once had a challenge that I absolutely adored, which is that they had to, like, all get onto this platform

And there was, like, not enough from for everyone. And so, like, if one wrong move and everyone fall off the platform,

and so you never really knew which group of people

was really, which team was going to win. And I liked that as a nice change up. But, like, the obstacle course thing, I'm just sort of getting a little over it. Like, I felt like there's so many interesting puzzles out there.

And interesting ways to have competition that I would love to sort of see some more variety. For sure. They're really-- They really can fix that for us, please.

I think. Listen, that's one right now.

“That's what we're going to complain about the same things”

every single season. That's one of the things with the new arrow where that in the old days of survival, they used to be a lot more novelty and variety of, like, okay, this season we're doing this.

This season we're doing this. And I know that they're stuck in Ph.G.

for a variety of budgetary reasons.

But it's almost like at this point in survivors history. They're like, "We figured out what this show is. Every season we're going to do. It's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's like, "Well, can you change it?" Like, "No."

We decide this is the show now. And now the challenges not only are they not really changing the challenges as much. Now some of the challenges have built in their own path mythology. Like, in this season, Kelly, Kelly, someone so went.

And she, she did this in 35 seconds. Can you beat that record? So now there's like lore behind the challenges, which is kind of funny. Which I actually, I don't mind that.

I actually like that the show is not afraid to break that fourth wall. But like, let's just like pick up.

“But I feel like there was a new challenge like last season.”

They like sprung a new challenge on us. Wow, a new challenge. Yeah. I'm deciding if they have a new challenge. And it's fine.

But they also like, but they make the challenges easier. Also, or, or, or I should say they make them like harder. So that that they last like eight minutes as opposed to that they're used to be on survivor. You'd have these endurance challenges that they go for hours and hours and hours. And like, yeah.

It's boring. Just make it so hard that the challenge only lasts for five minutes. We got it stuff to do. Like, let's, let's work around here all day and watch. Yeah, like it's working.

I have an endurance competition. And so let's see who can endure getting hit over the head multiple times with the cast hands. Yeah, okay. One of you. Okay, great.

Everyone else is knocked out on the ground. We are done. Much rap. All right. Where do you think this season's going to go?

Let's do some predictions for the final. What do you want to do? Final three. Right. Okay.

Okay. Say final three. Rob you go first. Go first. So I can copy all of your choices.

Copy all all my choices. So I'm trying to think of, I'll say Joe. And let's ask a Joe Tiffany is my winner pick. I've been though. Ronnie is no she is.

And then I don't have to go. I don't have to go things. If we get only talk about things, I know we have a very, very short show. So don't worry about that. And Jonathan.

Okay. And Tiffany for the win. Okay. Gotcha. Then go for it.

It's hard to say because I'm trying to think of who seemed like they might be getting a winners at it. But like to the credit of survivor.

“I think the thing that is so amazing about the show is they've become so sophisticated with their edits that I don't think people.”

It's hard to determine the winners at it versus the difference of like who is getting the act one of the season. It. I also for some reason Tiffany was on my radar as well. But like, you know what I'm going to say? I'm going to say in the top three.

I'm going to put Emily Flipin. Oh, even though she's totally bonkers. But I just for some reason I see her kind of like bonken up to the top three. I like her. Yeah.

She's great.

She's a real is she the one that's like nobody really wanted to talk to me the first time.

But now it's things are different. Is that her? Yes. Yeah, that's her first. Her first.

I think she just. Thank you. I really vibed with her energy. She was so happy when my guy started talking to her. Yeah.

Someone's talking to me. You would have loved her first season. She constantly had these like emotional breakdowns because no one liked her. And then she had these because of her emotional breakdowns. People just continue to not like her.

Um, I'm going to say Mike White because everyone wants to be on White Lotus. Sure. Yeah, that's a good one. Okay. And, uh, this is hard.

Where does it? A third one. Let's say Chrissy Hothbeck.

Okay. Chrissy. Micrissy. Micrissy. And who was the third?

Emily. Emily. Emily. Yes. Yeah.

Okay.

Um, I'm just going to go with people that I want to see because you never know on these on these games.

Especially in the beginning. So I'm going to say Aubrey. Sorry. Yeah. And the guy who does the news just because.

Micrissy. Tracks me up. He's like a ho ho ho ho. I'm going to get really serious. But he's always got that deck.

He's always got that deck. I'm just so glad to be here. Let's murder that motherfucker. You know, it's got kind of an edge to him. I don't believe maybe he's killed somebody.

And so he's kind of my dark horse. And I'll say, sorry, only because I think it would be so. Uh, difficult. I think it would be in that pill battle, but I don't know. I believe in her.

So I'm going to say her. Yeah. I can't tell. Does she have a massive tag. Target on her back or do people is there ever a sense of like man.

She is so good. I don't want to be the one to destroy her journey this time.

“Well, that's what Jenna Lewis tried to do.”

That she need to take her out.

But I think that there's a little bit of like the same sort of thing with Donna Kelsey,

where people like we want to get the fans mad at us and take her out. People love story. Yeah. Yeah. I was by the way, I was sad to see Jenna go only because I was like man.

It's been 26 years. She comes on to the beach for like one day and then she's gone. Like that is. That was so mean of everyone. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. It's like too hard though. She came right on. All right. Sorry.

We're getting her. We're getting her. She fucked up the competition. I love what you're all going to fuck up a competition. You have to throw a stone on a rope through a little v.

You know, you can do that. I know. Actually, I felt I've got one last question. I know we're sort of trying to wrap up and we. Phalanthansa purposes.

We should be wrapping up. But I'm opening it back up again. We're trying to apologize. I'm being a bad bad podcaster. But Rob, you did come back on and also our season.

And in the season that you were on. You were like, I mean, you you you you you got.

Extremely far you were just like doing all sorts of amazing stuff on it.

But then in the all sorts of season, you did not last very long. That's right. So what was like coming into an all sorts of season like this in season. Yeah. What's different?

What's different when you come in there? Well, and that that these players should hopefully have been paying paying attention to. Yeah. And it's a great question. The time that I came back.

I could play on survivor all stars, which was season eight. But nobody had ever been on an all star season of a show before. You didn't really know what it was going to be like. Now, everybody is like these grizzled veterans that have been back. That was my fifth time playing.

So people are like, I'm, you know, I'm coming in with my game plan. But it's like, hey, this person's my friend. I can't move out of both them out. And that's why Boston robbed it. So well, he was the only person that was willing to.

And, okay, I'm going to screw up everybody. I'm going to screw up everybody. But I'm going to screw up everybody.

“So it was, I think it was, it was complicated.”

The feelings about like, wait, are we friends? Or is this a game? Whereas, and everybody's like, very clear what this is. Hmm. Cool.

Yeah. Well, we're all coming in ready to rip each other on this one. I like that. Yeah, they're ready. Maybe we should circle back.

Midway through the season and see how all our predictions are going. Yeah, good luck there. Hot takes are, you know, because it's so fun to talk with you. And it is really cool. It is, it is cool.

The shared experience. Like the three of us were in the midst of the reality TV. We've seen it all. We've seen it all. We've seen it all.

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