#3248 Bonus: Candiace Dillard Bassett Talks Traitors!

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“Well, hello, and welcome to Watcher Crapins.”

I'm Ben, that's Ronnie, and we are so excited. Because we have not only someone from the Traders, but someone from the Real Housewives family. Please welcome back.

We'll not back to our show for the first time ever.

Candace, Dillard, Bassett, hello, Candace. How are you? Welcome to Crapins. Thank you. I love it here.

Yes, hello, Crapins, family, yes. Yes, we love it there. Look at your beautiful bookcase that you have back there. I love that green color. Reading is fundamental.

Yeah. That's the best thing. And this is one of my favorite colors. My whole office is this, it's called breakfast room green. But I love the color sage, so I, when I was going to say,

I think it's set on the wall.

We've got a new thing now.

Is it really called breakfast room green? Yeah, it's the-- they did not pay me to say this, but the company is called Pharaoh and Ball. And this is that's the name of the color. Breakfast room green.

So-- Wow. Love is well. We are dressed as your haters. Fantastic job. How was the after-press of traders?

How's it been going on? It's fun. It's been great. It's been sort of reminiscent and kind of a little nostalgic to all-- what a time that we had, because we filmed it last June.

So it's been quite some time.

Like my son was eight months, and he's 17 months now.

So it's like, wow, all the time that it's passed. But it's been fun. It's been like getting to reminisce and relive like the most otherworldly insane experience I've ever had in unscripted TV, and probably the only one

that I would definitely do again and do the same way. Yeah, really. Yeah, I mean, tell us about this. Tell us about what it was like when you arrived at the castle, what was the castle like, what were your thoughts

even going into it? Did you want to be a trader? Did you want to be a faithful? Like, just give us the whole-- the whole spiel. Yeah, so I mean, who wants to go on a show called "Traders"

and not be a trader? Like, exactly.

“Yeah, like, I think I said, I said in one of my interviews,”

like, the traders are the main characters. The show is called "The Traders." They're on the marquee. I am a main character. So of course, I wanted to be one of the main characters.

Probably, of course. No, I said, OK, I'm going to leave my baby and go to the other side of the world. It needs to be worth it. And how fun is that to get to murder people,

and you don't have to go to jail? Like, we're adults playing a board game. It's like, can I put my own test? Right, OK, yes. And so when I arrived, I was enamored with the castle.

It is just a gargantuan stunning. It's a behemoth. It's like this huge. And we kind of lived and worked and played in a lot of it. And there was still so much of the castle

that we did not get to see. Some parts were sort of closed off for construction and renovations and what have you. But we were in a lot of the castle. And there were so much that we were not able to visit.

So a lot of the times, like when you're walking to do interviews, it would be like a five minute walk. And you're walking through these halls and up these stairs and then back downstairs and then up. And you just get lost.

It's huge. It's amazing. And it's stunning. But it was so much fun to be there.

“And I think Dzerinda was saying that she”

knows the people that it's called Ardross Castle. She knows the owners. So she was telling us like all the lore and the history of the castle, which was fun and interesting. But it was exciting because it was excited.

I was excited to get there. Yeah, it's funny because by the way, what you're saying about the castle is it kind of looks oddly small on TV

So it always seems like you guys are going to run into each other.

Like, oh my god, why are you saying that? Why are you sitting there? Like, it was going to find you. But it sounds like it was actually much more expensive than it looks on TV.

For sure. I mean, yes, we-- So the breakfast room, the library, the bar, the kitchen, were all kind of like concentrated right around. It almost felt like a rotunda because they were all

kind of in a circle. And then the stairs kind of broke it up a little bit. But the roundtable room is like way at the other end. And all of the interviews-- all the things-- the interviews that we were doing were in random places

in the castle. So it was huge. It was huge.

And it just felt like it kept going and going.

“So once you were chosen as a trader, what was your plan?”

What did you think, OK, now I'm a trader. This is how I'm going to conduct myself as a trader. This is how I'm going to play this game. So I really have a plan. I knew that, OK, I have to live a double life here.

And I'm going to have to employ some of my acting skills. And I'm going to have to employ some of my survival skills from housewives here. And you just almost immediately lock in. Like as soon as I was tapped on the shoulder, it was like, OK,

I mean, you saw I barely moved. So I was already like, OK, I'm already playing the part. Because inside, I was doing backflips and just screaming at the top of my lungs. But I knew I had to keep a cool head.

And I had to behave and walk and talk and act as if I was a faithful,

all the while wearing this hat and using the mind of a trader.

And be sort of sleuthy and duplicitous and sneaky. So I didn't plan my strategy for how to behave. It just kind of befell me. I figured it out as I was. Yeah, instinct.

“So the audience is the fandom for real housewives.”

Obviously is one of the more intense fandoms on TV. I would imagine, you know, we're a part of it. And it's harsh in there. It's crazy. But you know what?

It's so funny, though. Yes, I agree with you. But the gamers-- That's what I was going to say. No, no, thank you.

Thank you. They're like, yes, something from housewives. But then you got the gamer fandom. So how was that? How was navigating that?

And how would you compare the two? I think the gamers-- they're a bit more. What's the word? They're a little more sensitive.

Like they need some crying goals and some big grow panties. They're just-- they're whiny. Like I feel like housewives fans-- and I can speak specifically to my fanbase. My fans are smart.

They are educated. They're well read. They come from spaces of academia and fundamental reading. They have books behind them, honey. Breakfast, breakfast room, green.

They know it. Yes, they know breakfast room, green. My supporters are just-- they're the cream of the crop. And even the worst of the fandom, I won't name names,

but you know who they are. Even they are-- they're a stew. And they're in on it. They're in on the joke. I think what's changed about housewives

is that we're celebrating 20 years of housewives. The fans are in on the joke. They know what's happening. You can't pull one over on them anymore. They understand the way production works.

And they know they can tell when somebody is faking or lying, or at least they think they can. And they're really vocal about that. The gamers-- a lot of them are just whiny. And they don't have any evidence to back up the whining.

“They're just like, why are all these housewives in the turret?”

It's supposed to be gamers. Well, why, John? Yeah, exactly. I mean, let's get into it. It's time to get into it, right?

Even the fandom of housewives, we're used to arguing because housewives is arguing. So it's conflict resolution is someone recently set on housewives. So we'll get messy with each other in a comment.

But then give each other arguments, four days and comment upon comment. And at least be able to hear each other out.

You fuck!

“Yeah, they just think they're throwing tantrums.”

And with nothing to back it up. It's boo tomato. Well, so the thing that has lit up the housewives fandom, including yours truly. And I'm think all three of us were lit up.

Actually, Candice, I saw you being pretty active about this article as was I. So this, so Joe Reed in Vulture/New York Magazine, he comes out with an incendiary piece that says,

basically, housewives should be banned from the traders.

And I personally felt like this was dripping with massage and I thought this was, and his argument is that the housewives are not there to play the game, they are there to create drama and then go into social media and perpetuate the drama. Mind you, his article had such a click-baity headline,

a housewives need to be banned from the traders. So he is complaining that the housewives caused drama online while simultaneously putting out an article to light the internet on fire. But that's okay.

So what do you say to all that? What do you say to this hot take? - How embarrassing, Joe, or whatever your name is.

“And like, and I think expediter, I posted on Thread,”

Vulture needs to ban you from journalism

because you do a disservice to the art form

by even creating or letting such a narrative sit out in the public and spoil and be moldy. 'Cause this is a moldy, spoiled, dirty, funky take. And I, I think, you know, I'm one of many, I think who resent this idea that housewives

are one, he kind of painted us as this sort of one-dimensional group that all we do, all we are is drama, all we are is emotion. And that's just simply not the case. And I say all the time, more so about black women,

but it can apply to housewives in general, that we are not monolithic. We are not one way, we are not, you know, one sided. We have many layers to us, we are not all of us. Okay, but many of us are onions that require layers

that need to be peeled back and peeled back.

And you don't always get that in one,

to or even sometimes three seasons

“and it takes time to really get the full scope”

of who we are. But to also do such a crime in the month of women's history, like, oh yes, can't do this, I love that. - Where is a shoe for me to jettison? Like, like, eat my shoe, okay?

It's just disrespectful. And it's also like, yeah, we're entertaining. Are you mad about it? Because while you sit in, in Pitterpatter on your laptop, spewing misogyny and spewing this hatred toward

an entire group of people who live and breathe to create entertainment and give layers and give gravitas and moxie to the people, you, you, you wreak of hydration. It wreaks of hydration to me.

And as you said, of misogyny. And then I, and it also, you know, I found it interesting who he chose to zero in on and his criticism. And I believe it was myself.

And he also had a lot to say about Danielle and sort of referring to us as, I wanna say some of, like, the worst traders or some, some criticism of that nature. And that's interesting as well.

- And that's crazy, it's crazy that he would say you're around the worst traders because I took a screenshot of something that he actually had very complimentary things to say about you earlier in the season.

He said, man, I love Candace Dillard Bassett, the poet laureate of Tomix so much. Then he goes, but then he goes, but she's coming across, like a sort of loser at this reunion. So I guess maybe I, I take that back.

But like, it seemed like he was, he had, like, some love for you. But I just, to me, it's just like crazy that I feel like he just discounting a whole group of people when he also wrote an article saying how the villains

were doing so well this season. And he highlighted Colton and Michael. And if you talk about drama, I mean, they're the ones causing most drama. - Yeah, Michael was the biggest drama queen

and then you have Jam Jam, like, oh, it was like this. - It was, it was, it was, you know. So come on, that was a gamer. - And actually, no, he also said this. I think this was actually the quote,

I meant to read, I didn't mean to read one where he was like,

loving this season of the Trader so far,

despite an early boot order is that the Trader's can, especially, are making good smart moves. So we actually called you out for making good smart moves. So it's surprising that then he comes out with an article where he's like, oh, yeah, the housewives aren't really

there to compete. I just don't understand that. So, well, two things, to say that we are not there to compete, like waking up every morning and putting our eyebrows on, we are in competition, okay, we are doing the work.

“And I also feel like, I believe he called me loquacious”

and I was like, okay, and, like, whoa, thank you. - It's like, that'll mark Dallas. - Right, what do you, oh, it was fun, pal. - He did start speaking up later. (laughing)

Shout out to Mark, that's my book, but no, I mean, what also I'll say this too about me being talkative. Many times when the round tables would start, no one would speak. We would start the round table and there could be a solid,

like, 45 seconds of just no, nothing.

- Yeah, the whole scene, I mean, it never got to the point

where people were just starting off. - Just ready to jump in. So, I'm like, okay, I'm ready for my glass of wine. I'm ready for my pastry. I need to go to bed, okay, this doesn't have to go to bed.

It doesn't have to go to bed. Yeah, and some, yeah, smoke salmon. They had these also these like salmon pots

“that were really good that they would give us a snacks”

that I don't think, I want my salmon pot, I want my red wine or my white wine. (laughing) You only get two glasses of the night, that's the maximum.

- Oh, so I'm ready for my wine? - Yeah. - And my eggs and my salmon. So, I'm ready to go get this party starting and you all are daily dialing and pussy flitting about.

So, let's get it started. So, often I was just, you know, nobody else was speaking. So, I was like, okay, let's get it started. And in my, in my chatty, yes. In my look, yes, sure, sure.

But just, so was Colton. It's like, again, the white male patriarchy of it all is just, it's, it's run rampant in these Americas. It's, the reason why y'all's president is the y'all's president because people like Joe and his foolishness

that he writes down on paper and calls the journalism. - We're, it's embarrassing. - Joe, Joe, Joe, you're a fall for Trump, dammit. - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - It seemed to me, because one of the best parts

about all of these shows, both of the shows you were on, is the reading the comments after I love getting into a messy thread and just reading people fight. You know, I love it online. - Yeah.

- And it seemed like a lot of this pushback for housewives didn't really happen until towards the end of the season when, you know, there were a lot of social media things. Like Chris was on there saying, you know, he doesn't like women, you know, it's Chris, I love it.

I love it. - Oh, very imaginable. - Also getting to some mess on social media. - You know, you're best in that trade at the bud. - Yeah, it seems like a lot of it came from that

and kind of the reaction, kind of your reaction when you left. So what do you say to that? Do you feel, you know, what do you say to people calling you a sore loser and stuff like that?

What's your reaction to that? - Well, it's funny that I just found this out today. 'Cause Rob had a lot of support online

and I was always like, well, who are these people?

Who are these supporters? And he recently was seen out with an ice out pen on like on a lapel or on a shirt or something, which and I stand in a grievance with him. - Yeah, I love that he did that actually.

“- Yeah, and I think, and Rob always, we didn't talk politics,”

but he always struck me as someone that I could trust with a general election vote. Like I don't think he's voting, you know, for demons to come overtake America. And a lot of the fandom is pissed at him.

And when people would be in my comments, say calling me a sore loser and you know, criticizing me, I would always be, if it always kind of felt foreign to me, like the direction it was coming from.

So now that I know that a lot of the people that were rooting for Rob are probably magas supporters, I'm like, okay, sure, call me a sore loser. You, you're a sore voter, you're an idiot. So I'm not, I can't be an athlete.

- Sorry to make you seriously. - I think you can seriously, yeah. - I also have to say that like, we've known you from Potomac, and we have known the full range of your emotions

And like you calling Rob to task at the reunion, I felt like was you just saying like, hey, it's fine that you won, but like don't try to have a narrative where you were just like the good guy or whatever,

“who just like is like, you have to own up to some”

of the things you did to us. And people are like, oh my god, Jesus sore loser, I'm like, you guys don't know the canvas. You guys don't know the canvas that we know. If she was being a sore loser,

we would've seen a much bigger reaction. - That was our reaction. We were like, you think this is bad?

These houseplants we've never seen a tamer housewife

than these housewives, because you could have sanded us up there. - Thank you. - They kind of handed you a butter knife. They kind of had to throw me into a knife. - Thank you. - Thank you.

Thank you. I just, I was that this idea that I, as I think as I said on the show, I'll quote myself, that I also need to drink Rob's bath water. I was not that thirsty.

Like I don't need to look as bath water. And there was, there was this just, this overwhelming just hypnotization of Rob. And even, he's a wonderful person. He's very sweet. He was very kind.

He's a Southern gentleman. We talked a lot about the fact that he's from Alabama, my family, both sides of my family, are also from Alabama.

And we talked about that in the cat.

Like so, I don't, I don't take away from him as a person, but this idea that everyone needs to be up his butt, isn't thanks to me. I saw nothing wrong with me having criticism of the way that he played the game.

You have no problem, general public, criticizing all of the women and their gameplay, but somehow Rob, we're gonna rewrite history and make Rob's game flawless. It wasn't flawless.

“Honestly, I remember that a lot of natural sorts”

of rip apart each other's game. So I mean, that's what the whole thing is is talking about the game. - That's a part of the show. Yes, gamers do that all the time,

but somehow it's become this crime, this high crime misdemeanor,

because I'm criticizing his game.

I applaud that he won. He won the show. I'm happy that he won, but it was just the way that he was like, "Well, I didn't really want it."

And I, oh, yeah, I think it's a little bit of bullshit in there. That's a bullshit. - I'm just a boy. - Yeah. - That's just a boy. - Yeah. - That part, I was like,

"Okay, you did all these treacherous things "on that you did these treacherous things." - Yeah. - Yeah. There was some, you know, from the traders, Doug Ronnie,

from the reunion, when you were kind of insinuating that he might have cheated by telling Colton whatever. What do you think about, were you accusing him of cheating? And do you think he did cheat?

- I don't know if he cheated. I just know what I was told. And when I got home from the castle,

“and I think, because we all kind of got home around the same time.”

Well, by the time I left, the last five were like right behind me. And we all kind of got on the phone over the course of like that next week to debrief and be like, "Well, what do you think of this?" And what happened, it didn't matter.

And one of the calls I got was from Colton. And I want to make it clear. I did not call Colton. Colton got my number from somebody. I think somebody, he asked someone, "Hey, he's good at that."

- He's good at that. - He's good at that. - He was outside your house. - No. - Ha, man. - Man. Oh my God. - Yeah. - Continue, yeah. - Colton, don't come crying to me.

- We're just kidding. - We're just kidding. We're just kidding. - Just kidding. - It's okay, it's okay. - Easy, just kidding. He called, he called me, called my phone. And he said, "We were talking about a bunch of stuff.

He's debriefing." And he said to me, "Yeah, Rob told me you were a trader." And I said, and at the time, I thought that he meant, that he, 'cause he told me where it happened. He said, "I think he told me you were a trader at the mountain challenge,

that a poor and horrific challenge should be banned." - It was horrible. - Somewhere in there is when he told me that he told him, and so I waited all season to see it, 'cause I'm like, "Oh, well, if he, if he, he built up this case against me, for sure they're going to show this.

This is like a pinnacle moment for one of the traders to be outed, and it never came." And then I said, "Well, wait, if he didn't tell him on the show, then where did he tell him? And how did he tell him?"

So, these are just the questions that I think anyone with-- - But if he, if he did, if he had told him, wouldn't he have to say, "She's a trader, and I know because I'm a trader." So is the insinuation? - Right, what is also telling him that he was a trader?

built a case against me.

“I think Candace is a trader because I saw her do this.”

I heard her say something, or she's been acting

something. And from my purview, I was not detectable. There weren't really a lot of people if anyone. My Toby he was suspicious of me because I gave him skills at, like, in, like, episode three or something.

I was like, "I mean, that's a smoking guy." - Just giving-- and the same sort of critique when I suggested Johnny go or get a shield during the portrait challenge, I was just being nice. There was no strategy behind that.

- I have to tell you Candace, one of my biggest frustrations with this season, because I'm somebody who plays these games,

like Mafia, et cetera, I'm a big, like, board gamer.

I do all these games, and one of the biggest frustrations I had is that you gave-- you didn't just give, like, one bread crumb. You didn't give just two bread crumbs. You gave two big pieces of-- you gave two loaves. You gave a holla.

You put, like, a holla out on the table, and you were like, "It's Rob, everyone, good night." And, like, as much as you could without saying it, and the way they did not even pursue that. Like, did they even talk about, like, it seemed like they just

completely discounted it, and it was painful for me

“that they just would not, and Mora was like, "Well, I think that's”

it might be that, but I think she just messed up." And I'm like, look at that. You have so little to go on. I want you to look at the one tangible thing. How was that for you to watch that?

I was bad for me, but as you as the one who actually left the bread there, how was that? Infuriating, in a word, especially watching it back, because, of course, I left. So I didn't know what they were going to do with the information,

but to watch it and to see just the blatant dedication to being dumb. Like, you have to try to be this dumb. Like, it's, I think, who said it? My sister, King, you said it in one of season of Atlanta,

and I was talking about poetry, she was like, "It almost hurts me to watch her be so dumb." And I had to go back to that place and just sit with her, because, wow, it, my flabbering were gassed in at just how you, how do you miss this? What of, and they kept, they kept almost getting it.

Like, well, why would she do that? It just didn't make any sense. I learned a little bit. Yeah, but the skills, but it was, I was, I was, I was watching clips this morning and bad as I do. More getting her burkin on watch what happened.

I'm not sure that's been alive, yeah. Yeah, I saw the clips. Congratulations, Laura. You, I hope that restores some faith in men for her, because she's spoken at length about how she doesn't trust anyone, you know,

“least of all men, and for once a man, what did she say?”

She said it's not so much that you got the burkin, but that he kept his promise. So, if for nothing else, restoring some faith in, you know, in men, is as, you know, it's hard to trust them in general. There were stories in my, I mean, I thought you'd do a burkin, because I thought that was so old-fashioned when a man

fucks you over and then he gets you a gift, but I'm going to see that still there, and we're not just getting fucked over and that's the end now, because I don't like men take no life. Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk one positive thing, like, or I hope a positive thing is you coming back to, like, reality being a big way here with this, do you feel that you've been seen

differently than you were on the Potomac? Like, do you feel like, oh,

I finally got to show a side of myself, or people got to know me in a different way,

they may have had preconceived notions of how I wasn't Potomac, but now they actually got to see a different canvas. Yeah. That was part of the reason why I think I wanted to do the show was to sort of open myself up to a new audience and, you know, perhaps reframe the way that the current audience viewed me because, again, black women are not monolithic. We are layered and we come in many different shapes and colors

and sizes and personalities. And, you know, when you're, when you're on a show with, you know, six or seven big personalities, it's hard to see all sides of someone, especially when you become sort of typecast and I, you know, I own that I was sort of this spoiled princess who was, you know, seen more often as emotional than she was not. And that is me. I own that part of

you know, you're employing things like strategy and, um, Congolines to sort of show that there's more to me. And, um, I am fun and I can be light and I, um, I can, you know, get through a season of something and not get into, like, a huge argument with someone. Unless you're a fake, you think that. And that was a rough end to your, to your time on Potomac. I mean, that was just like intense. It was not pretty. That was like two years of intensity, like severe intensity. So it was a

short recovery. I remember. I imagine my God. Yeah. I love to see the Candace Sons as I'm going to call it right now. The Candace Sons on the Traders. I love, I, I thought you did actually,

“you did do. I think a great job. Um, and I honestly, well, the only thing that really, I think I'm”

really bummed me out was I loved you Lisa and Rob when you guys were a trader family. I thought you guys were so fun together. And I knew you guys wouldn't ever be able to make it all the way through together. But I was, when it started to crumble, I got so sad. I was really, really sad about that, you know? Yeah. I, I will, I will say this. I actually did think shortly, probably by episode, episode six, episode five or six, I would, I would, I woke up one

morning that morning. And I was like, wow, we could maybe win together. Like, we could maybe all three traders go to the end. Because at that point, it still felt like we were a cohesive unit. And we were still really flung under the radar and we had been pulled off. At that point, I think

“it's one, I think we pulled off both of our high-sarp murders and plain sight. We were just sort”

of working together with a great team. So I naively, obviously, hindsight felt like we could go to the end together. Um, and yeah, I was also just really disappointed that the band got broken up because I think that, you know, in the history, the short history that is US traders, we like, I think we'll go down as, like, some of the most iconic trios of traders to get that far and still be on one accord. Yeah, I really loved watching guys work together. And I guess,

I'm sorry, we are going to let you go very shortly, but I do have, I do want to ask you some questions

about, like, when you first voted against Rob and then the second time. So the first vote against Rob,

I think a lot of us in the audience were like, oh, no, this probably won't end well because this is going to start, like, you, when you did that, was that like a spur of the moment decision, like, what was your thought behind that? And then also then the subsequent vote, it seemed like the talk was between you or Steven, but you were trying to do a push for Rob, do you feel like you kind of like split the vote? Do you think if you were just piled on to Steven, it would have been

better for you? I'm just, as a fan of the game, like, I love to see what was going through your head.

So with my first vote, that was a strategic move. I knew at that point. I knew earlier that day

that I was probably not going to make it because whatever seeds Rob had planted, he had garnered enough trust by, like, shoving his back what are going to everybody's throats and gotten them to, like, get on board with him, that they were, they were not going to trust me over him. It just, there was, I knew there wasn't a lot that I'd be able to say because I'd seen it. I'd

“seen just the, the very hard-lined, like, vehement, like, what's not Rob, so who else is it?”

As people who are going through the list. So for me, the moment was about, if I'm going to go out, I'm going out clearing desks and as much as I can within the confines of the game, I'm going to shout Rob's name so that even when I'm gone, my ghost will live on as I, people can hopefully somehow recall back to, well, why did Candace do this? This doesn't make sense.

It's out of the blue and, um, we'll get over to the other question. Oh, it was basically actually

all wrapped up in that. At that point, did you realize it was, like, I was too late, so I'm just going to just put all the, put it all onto Rob as much as possible. Yeah, yes. And I, there were, no one was really saying Steven to me. I was not hearing Steven, um, in, in, in that that point,

and that was it. That was all I was hearing. So then I was, my goal was just to, as much as I could, get people to look at Rob without, you know, just saying, yeah, learning out his name. Yeah. My God. Wow. Well, great job. It was a great season. And it was good to think you did great.

“Yeah, you'll see. You need to also, you're, you have a new podcast out, right? Yes. You”

tell us about it. Yes. I have a new podcast. It's called Undimesticated. We're on the Odyssey podcast

network. It features myself and my amazing co-host Michael Arsenal. And we are talking about

everything that's happening in your group chat at your kitchen tables. We're talking about, we do a segment, um, where Michael talks extensively about, um, baddies on Zeus, because he is a baddies fan. We have a segment called Nobody Asked Me, but, um, which was kind of born out of my, uh, to quote, my former boss, my, my being a disaster on Twitter. Uh, it's a space for, really me, but anybody that comes on the show to just, oh, pine about whatever, like, nobody asked me, but I think that

Borah is a fool for accepting the Birkenback or whatever you want to say. So it's, it's a space to

“get your thoughts out about anything. Um, we talked about relationships, we talked about pop culture,”

people were kind of like up in arms that I was talking about housewives, why did you leave the show of you're going to talk about housewives? Well, housewives and pop culture. So if there's a, uh, a breaking news moment, like my former cast member potentially going to jail, God forbid, we're going to talk about that. Like, that's, that is, that's the news of the day. That should be one of the, not going to let NFL people talk be football commentators. I mean, the whole point is that

you have the experience that makes you more. In terms of talk about it. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's, they are. And that's, but that's, that is a small grain of rice in comparison to everything else we discuss. Whatever is happening in pop culture, in the zeitgeist, we are discussing,

“and we're doing it with Michael's sort of signature cynicism and my just passion for”

being malady and loud. And you know, the mess you saw before you. We love that. And you have a new single out too. We also would have to promote everyone to go download it and listen to it right? If only. Yes. If only. Yes. It is, um, the new single that will be a part of my new album, which will be coming later this year. I do also have a remix coming, um, to if only with, uh,

an amazing, um, vocalist. I won't say who yet, but an amazing vocalist that you all know and

love, um, and then I will actually be going on tour, um, with this person later in the year. So nice. Lots of exciting moments on the music front. There's also a visual out on YouTube and Vivo, you can check out and just keep streaming and downloading and letting me know what you think. I, I love all of the, um, the feedback on the song and I can't wait for you guys to hear the remix and the next single, which will be coming soon as well. Fabulous. Well, congratulations on that.

I mean, in my mind, I do believe that you have, like, one of the very best housewaves songs in Drop Back. Love that song. Um, thank you. Thank you. Candice, you were hilarious. Oh, my god. Thank you for spelling all this tea on our podcast today. You were great. Congratulations on your run on the traders. And thanks for being here with us. Everyone go check out our podcast. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Candice. Bye. Take care. Bye.

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