#3261 Ladies of London S4E03: DeWine Truths

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Well, I couldn't be any better because it's "Ladies of London Day". I'm so excited for that. Also, by the way, the last time you're going to hear us talk about this, the very last time, the very, very last time.

“Kids, we get your replay of the crappies today, the last day. That's why.”

So watch it tonight, Friday, have a Spend your Friday night watching it because after tonight, you will never be able to watch it again.

That's gone, that's varied. But that's also a good list of winners over on our Instagram. Yeah, yeah, but I am greatly so winners. We never release a list of the winners. Why don't we do that? We should have like a whole archive of the winners when we should be sending them awards and stuff. I mean, what the hell are we are incompetent? We'll, we'll figure that out.

Let's talk about, let's talk about how a good "Lays of London" is, third episode is just, it's so good, even an episode like this, which was like a heavier, quote unquote, heavier episode. Like the fact that there's still so much acid in this show that just cuts right through it is so amazing. I'm absolutely loving this reboot and it seems like everyone else is, it's like everyone's talking about it.

You know, I was so worried at first because during this episode because there is a lot of kind of slowness.

When we really do see that the people don't know each other that well, I mean, they know each other in separate clumps. But we see like, they really don't know each other. They have to have these getting together to get to know each other and I thought, oh, danger. Maybe the first two were just a fluke, but then it just got really, really good. And it is extremely dark. And so the stuff we have to talk about gets really dark.

And I mean, what are we going to do? I'm just going to go out as the show does and just laugh anyway because we're going to do. I mean, yeah, honestly.

“Yeah, but ultimately good and my new hero, I of course love Martha. I think everybody loves Martha.”

Kimmy is just my social path queen. I love Kimmy and I thought her whole reaction was so me in those situations. Just like, oh, fuck, I have to listen to you. Now everybody has to tell a dead family member story. I mean, it's very me and I love that she doesn't give a fuck. So yeah, by the end of the episode and the previous for next week, she does not care. If you don't like her, she does not care if you disagree.

And whether you disagree or don't like her or not, whatever, I just love someone with that kind of confidence in their own personality. Yeah, me too. And I love this was Kimmy's episode. If like the last episode or so was like Martha's episode, this is Kimmy's moment. She is so hilarious. She's so cutting. And honestly, what she said was exactly how I was feeling watching the episode.

I was like, well, this is a tragic story. And I know I think last week we talked about or last episode. We talked about how we would like to hear more, for instance, about Missy's brother. But at the same time, it's kind of like, this is where you decide to do it. And everyone has to be serious. And we're at such a place in, I think, our society, where when people do this, we have to be like, very like, oh, this terrible, this terrible, yeah, okay.

“No, that's whole space for that. And the truth is, I think what we're all thinking is,”

we're here to get some wine and have fun and tell funny stories. And then you're going to drop this bomb. So I was totally with Kimmy on it. I know it's mean and it's like uncaring and insensitive, but it's also so fucking real. Like, we all know. We all have been in these situations.

And then you're in a car driving back home from wherever you were. And you were with your friend and be like, is it me? Or did she totally kill the conversation? Did someone so just kill the conversation? And like, yes, I've got to thought that same way too. And that is what Kimmy is for us right now. Yeah.

All right. Well, let's get into it, shall we? A season four episode three, whining in the rain.

And Marcos, like, it matters so much where you live in London.

I mean, something you always say when you meet someone new is like, Oh, my God.

Which part of London do you live in? And when they say their neighborhood, you just note so much about who they are. You know, we're also like that everywhere. I don't remember what it was like in New York. You could just say where you live and people like, Oh, what is that?

I don't understand anything about you when you say that you live in Brooklyn Heights. Kimmy's like, Well, I've lived in Belgrade via for 20 years now. And now I'm in Chelsea. That's become quite expensive, but I love it. Oh, that says Chelsea equals affluent. Well, I live the night spread, dried by Chelsea.

May fair, nodding hill. You're right in the middle of the auction. Night spread, luxury. And then latte is like, I live in Islington and Hackney, which is mostly arty people and created as well. I would say if you're in Kensington or Notting Hill,

people are a bit more interested in material things.

“So Hackney is artsy, which by the way, if you want to live well in Lagohead, Ben.”

No, it would be like, I love that latte is doing the whole. We don't care about material things as much. I'm like your entire entire occupation is about material things. Tailoring high end suits. That's material things. Yes. Yes.

Missy says, if you want to live well in London, I would recommend find a rich husband. Notting Hill, Bo Ho Sheek. Then we see Micah walking around a flea market type thing. And she sees an antique phone and picks it up.

And she's like, Hello, London calling. Oh, God, so American to stop. Second time at a row. So embarrassing. The show's not even going to bother saying where she lives. Like we won't just, she's American.

We won't do that. You got to tap on your face. What are you eating? You're happy? Me all at the thing. Come on, America. So Micah tells us.

Portobello Market is one of my favorite places in all of London. So many antique phones we can just pick up a receiver and say, Hello, London calling. It's very British. And then there's all these vintage shops.

You can buy vintage earrings. And you can buy cameras. And you can buy literally almost anything almost anything.

It's so cool. It never gets old.

They're like, please, please, lady. Leave our beautiful market. Go, wait, get out of our, you're dropping down a property values. There's nothing. There's no teacher to say, London on them.

Please move along tourist. So Ladi and Kimmy come up and, um, Mud is like, but if you found it, Kimmy's like,

“I'm not saying what else would we find in place like this?”

Some opera glasses. Sometimes I do have a pair of those actually. I do. I just bring them for the milk. I love Ladi.

I think Ladi does not want to be here. She just looks around. She goes, oh, tell us, goats. Like this. Material things who needs them. So, um, Ladi is like, well, I guess opera glasses are pretty good for the races.

Yes. And yeah, I just have them for the look. So Mike is like, guys, you want to get some coffee? Oh my god, London calling and they want me to be caffeine. How much longer do we have to shoot with this American? I don't know. Just give it about half an hour.

I'll get a cocktail. Be more bearable. They cross the street like me. They just walk right into it. And Mike is like, oh my god, be careful.

And Ladi says, well, they need to stop. But pedestrians. So I'm going to write that in the middle of the road. That's how I do it, too. So they go to the nodding hill bakery in order.

And I'm just like, where's Hugh Grant? Because I do an American. So I just know that nodding hill is where Hugh Grant and Julie Roberts fell in love. No, Nadi. Well, I ended up just hoping that Julie Roberts can run into someone there who's holding an incredibly

bright orange glass of orange juice.

“Because that's what I always remember from that movie.”

That, like, doesn't she like spilled orange juice on him at one point? And it's like fake orange juice for because it has like pop on camera.

So there's like orange paint basically on his shirt.

And I was like, that's not real orange juice. That's like the image that's like seared in my mind from that movie. Put what you left with. Um, so Ladi is like, okay. Yeah, I'm so happy.

I'm asking the girl to have more realistic orange juice. Can we please get some more realistic proper? Okay, Julie, it deserves a better guy. So I just liked Ladi's order because I don't know if she's so beautiful. I'm like, so tiny.

And she's like, I'll have a white chocolate with raspberries or something. And I was like, that is just not fair. Come on, man. And Mike, I was like, why don't we get a ham and cheese or something? And I'm going to blame it all on you because you're a pregnant.

I feel like they're right there is the difference between like British and American.

And American ham and cheese croissant.

I don't know. It's all so white. And of course, I would want the ham and cheese over the white chocolate and raspberry. Cause I'm murdered. Hell no.

Um, so they sit down and can be like, well, I mean, I had a lot to drink last night. And Ladi's saying, well, you needed more alcohol last night with everything that happened. She's like, oh, well, Tommy last night was very strange because when all of this kick, all of this kick to off. And let me see you flash back to last night.

And there is friend being like, you're speaking about a person with that person in the room. And you're telling her to talk about other people. And it's like, that's rude. You want to have the truth. Well, Mike, I was expecting you to say something.

Mike is like, I was in shock.

“Honestly, I was like, shock calling from London.”

Just remember this call back when I was playing with the phone. You guys thought, do you guys see me do that bit with the phone? It was hilarious. Anyway, I was in shock. I was just kind of like absorbing it.

And I just, I wanted to hear what Missy had to say. Well, I felt bad for Missy because I think she got blamed for being the messenger. So we see Missy, like getting into a fight with Dara and everything at that party, et cetera. And they once again, like, they do it like three times this episode. They show Dara saying, I didn't see those things.

The five minutes later. I send those things. I send them. This is it. So back to present, Lottie's like, well, she was being made to look out like crazy.

And you were stuck in the middle. So I felt familiar. And I feel really sorry for you. And Dara should really own up to the shit she's been saying. And stop running around to not get because it's just false.

Yeah, I mean, just say it to my face. I mean, just say I'm basic and stupid. And you hate me. Why can't people just say things to my face?

“I really think the upsetting part is that I heard it from friends over the years.”

It Dara's spoken bad about me, but I didn't want to believe it. And God, the messy of all people just kind of confirmed everything. I just hoped it wasn't true. Well, I thought you handed it well to be honest. Thank you because I teach poise.

So in that moment, it was I was practicing what I preach.

And it's not always what you do, but it's like the composure in the moment for me.

And that is the strength. Like, oh, yes. By the way, you have a bit of ham and cheese hanging on off of your chin. Oh, I'm so sorry. So Kim is like, well, good on Micah for like being polite.

But then why would you cry over a friend like that? She's hideous. Get rid of her. I always say when someone's horrible or toxic, just flush. Flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash.

I mean, if they're horrible and toxic, that'd at least be funny. She should have reached out to you already. And apologize. Why are we still talking about this? I can, I'm smelling the ham and cheese for me here, darling.

It's like, I actually just missed a call. Well, we have to assume it's not your husband. 'Cause he probably doesn't want to call you, right? So I'm assuming that's there, right? There's only two people that ever call you, right?

I mean, if I was her, I'd be in Paris. I mean, awful, awful. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crappy commercial. So then we see a flashback of last night where Margo's like,

I want to be privy to what Micah thinks and feels. Micah's like, I've hurt. I'm hurt. Okay, I'm just hurt. And we come back and she goes, well, I wasn't Barrett.

And a lot of you's like, you have nothing to be embarrassed of darling. Nothing at all. You didn't do anything. Anything at all.

“If you should be embarrassed, it's to be such a wimp.”

That wasn't Barrett. That wasn't Barrett. I'm sorry.

Well, I always love to give people benefit of the doubt.

And this time I guess I just, I don't know. And so Kim is like, well, I think because you come across a little bit to genuine. People take advantage, which is not a bad thing. But you've got to be careful. I don't know. I always say, I don't make.

Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. No, no, no. We just mistake your kindness for stupidity. That's very simple. Yeah.

Well, for my own mental kind of well-being, I want to talk to Tara. I want to hear from Tara. I want to give Tara the opportunity to tell me things and to tell me the truth.

I want to say, This is Tara. This is Tara. Well, you know what you could do. You could say, "Lustan." We have to have a chat.

But I want to do it by walking. It's OK. Everyone's like, "Could someone get the Americans out of the pastry shop, please?" So, Missy is, um, she's aging her apartment.

Of course she is. This is so missing. She's like, "I say, "I'm a say, chah." I feel like Missy is kind of a faker. Like, I, you know, like, this was the episode we were supposed to feel profound sadness

and empathy for Missy. But I'm like, so team Kimmy that, like, no, like, she just, she just brings the party down. She, she arranged that entire trip just that way she could tell her sob story

And, like, as was noted,

“it is a legitimate, very serious sob story.”

But I'm kind of like, she ruined the fun.

I hate her now. Yeah. Um, well, you know, she is a real housewives of Cheshire, or a real housewife of Cheshire. Did you know that?

Yeah, yeah. Did you bring that up last week? I think maybe I did. I think I actually told you that. Yeah, she did tell me, sorry.

Oh, yeah. So, you know, that's, she's going to bring it all out. She knows the game. So, she's like, "Okay, here we go. Episode one, trauma."

You know? So, she talks about how hard she works to live in London and she used to have these big homes and cars because she was married to rich dudes. And now she's got a small apartment,

but it's her own and her son's off living with the dad, and she just has it for her and her daughter.

And she looks around and she says,

"You know what? I did that." Oh, no! That's, that black monk on the carpet. I did that too.

I was able to say it. It was... Very positive discoveries. So, Missy FaceTime's Kimmy. And she's like, "Hi, bitch.

You look gory." She's like, "Well, I want my sunglasses because I'm a bit pissed." Which means "druck" for all the Americans. And Missy's like, "We're going to cry on for all the words."

It's like, "Best." Equals British slang for intoxicated. I know, they had to do it a lot this episode. Missy's like, "Oh, I'm a bit hungover to be honest with you." "Well, I'm both."

"Well, so I called you because." "I'm both. I'm pissed now. I'm hungover." Well, I called you because I would love to invite you to a day out in London in a beautiful vineyard where I could make you feel very sad about something. So, you're all great.

And so now, she's calling everyone and inviting them to go to the winery. She's got cars. I got to pick everyone up and love to you. Like, you know, for pregnant person, what am I going to do with a fucking winery?

It's awful. Well, it has to be nice for you to come out to London and you know, have some fresh air. Pregnant people like fresh air, right? She's like, "Okay, fine. I guess I'll do that."

So, it's going to suck for you wherever you go. There's no word of fun. No word fun to go when you can't drink. You know?

“Well, I think that because of what happened at Darus dinner,”

it felt like I was a bit of a drama queen. And there's no way to make people feel like you're not a drama queen then gather them all together, making everyone laugh and stopping laughter by telling dramatic story of childhood.

And by childhood, I mean, a few years ago. "So, Kimmy's like, "Well, how much am I allowed to drink?" That's my question. She's like, "It's much as you want. Just control yourself." "I've got to walk with that."

So then Martha arrives at a storage facility. And she's like, "Hello, I've come to access my units." And the guy's like, "Okay." So he brings up the unit and they have to bring down this big giant wooden storage unit thing with a crane.

And she's opening it. She says, "Okay. Can I see what hats I've got in there?" He's like, "Uh, you come and D. Could you just, what, you just go in there?" He's like, "Look for the box that says hats. Just go through the storage unit.

Lady, you're not your hat master." So she's going through this big collection of hats. She's like, "Well, I've had some one different time and these hats look at just lots of just running around London and picking up anything without fun and attractive."

So Margot shows up. And Margot's wearing this like enormous kind of like black almost like garbage bag. But she's like coat. And she's on a bike.

So it's all like the air is like, her whole coat is like puffed up in the air. So she's just like this big entity just arriving. And then when she gets off the bike, the entire thing deflates.

And so she's just wearing this big saggy trench coat kind of thing. And, uh, she's like, you know,

you never know what weather you're going to get in London.

I have a coat on just in case. Although it's pretty big. Holy shit. This is where storage units keep their storage. I'm your storage unit's favorite storage unit.

Hashtag shop around. (laughs) Well, you know, I've just, I was destitute poor, letting this after my divorce, but this is not the first time I've rebuilt,

but hopefully this time I'll get it right. (laughs) Hardling, hardling, smile through the pain. Smile through the pain. So Margot is saying,

"What my thing is back? I want to walk into my place and feel like I'm at home. Just feel the warm, trickle, lovely coming through the ceiling and the rosy scent of black mode in the walls.

That's what I want. (laughs) This was Paulie's heart. I can't get rid of Paulie's heart. But why don't you just keep one or two of Paulie's hearts

“and then you can get rid of the rest of Paulie's heart?”

Ooh, you know, she's dead. She's not like I'm going to get any more Paulie's down. I had two sisters and I have one sister. My eldest sister died by suicide in 2013, jet bipolar disorder.

I loved her enormously, but my relationship with her was complicated. It was a very challenging relationship. So then we cut from that to her wearing her dad's face.

And she's just like crying.

She's like, "God, I miss him." And I was like, "This is very sad." And like, this is very sad.

“And I would be also crying in this situation.”

But the fact that she's sitting there crying in a giant face was sort of a funny image to me. Was just the whole image. She's like, "Daddy's pants." And then she brings out this boat.

She's like, "Daddy's sailboat." So she's holding this boat wearing a face. And Marcos, like, "Well, you know, Martha, I mean, lives have big ups and downs. You've had big, big ups, you know?

And so you know, you're up to been more than most people can dream of. Yes, but I've been down for quite a long while. Well, blue, blue. Playing with the boat in the face.

I can't. You know, it just feels like such a failure to not have my life more together at 45. I don't really know how to get out of this down. Okay, I know, listen.

This is part of moving out of it, though, right?

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“I think the term they would use trusts is new bow reach.”

This is the craziest sob story of all time. My dad climbed his way to the top of the corporate ladder. He went from just like a lowly engineer and he became a CEO. But we lost it all in the financial crisis. Actually we didn't lose it all.

He had like the amazing severance.

And it was so good that we just lived the rest of our lives. It's definitely wealthy. That's like okay. Yeah, this was a happy story, right? It was.

It was like because we're so used to our family had it all. And then we'd lost it all in the recession. And we couldn't find a job again. It was just really cruel. And it was just so sad to see my father who had worked so hard.

And now he spent the last 10 years just sort of in a funk. It was like no. And he had a great golden parachute. And we'd been living very well. And now we're so rich.

We're like if it weren't for the cast system, we'd be like just hell up there and we're society, you know? So they talk about the husband Joshua.

“And the mom's like so do you think now Joshua is going to be looking after the baby?”

You know she hates Joshua. She gets our bodies like that. He's very sweet with the catch, because well that's a bit different. Then a cat then isn't it? So baby, the cat's had bangs.

I don't think so. Like well, but you know he does the litter trays to me. She's like well, that's good practice. Just hope you'll baby can find some gravel to poop into. And of course they have a hereless cat.

Like I would never expect them to have any cat that has here.

Like of course they get like the the most he can slender cat of them all. Yeah. We've got to get the audience cat. What says oddest? More than a hairless cat.

He works so much. I said you know, you might want to think about taking the first two weeks. Off at work. And then that was an absolute no. Oh, so he's not going to do his six months paternity leave.

Just no. Exactly. No leave at all. I was like, okay, here we go. Here are some issues.

But you know Joshua, like he loves to work. That's his other baby. I hope he can take time away from that baby to spend time with our baby. I mean, the positive notice he's already taken care of with the name. He's already named a Helen Abonum Carter.

And then we see we see that they basically pay $467 American for the baby clothes, which is, you know, what I'd expect on the show.

But also if Joshua's not going to help with the baby, could he at least make some baby clothes. I mean, he's that this is his job, you know. So they pay. And now we go to Kimmy with her two kids. And they arrive at a place called Pitopata.

And it's basically like, color me mind, but in London. And so it has a better name. Pitopata. And this town took to paint some pottery. So they're figuring out what they're going to paint.

And Kimmy's like, oh, a little piggy bank. Look at the owl, meaning I think it should pick one of these on my days. It's like, I want to buy you a vase. And she's like, oh, thank you. And he decides to do a burger and the daughter's going to do a vase.

And she's like, oh, I'm a pretty hands-on mom. Because Mimi obviously she's on the spectrum. So she's behind people on a lot of things. The side of her bring her into anything that's hands on. And she enjoys that.

Because she's a really lively character when she's enjoying something. She's got a heart of gold. And let me tell you, this kid can take down a box of wine, like a sailor. And then Mimi says, like, I'm going to do a thing. It's just for mum, because mum broke it.

Well, actually, I think your dad broke my vase. And I'm just like, no, he didn't say, yes, he did. The Vinini vase, and I spent a lot of money on. The good news is Mimi's make me another one. It's a good thing I have you, Mimi.

“But yes, don't never forget, it was your father who broke the vase.”

The expensive expensive vase. Oh, don't you remember, it's your father who broke the vase. Now granted, it was broken with his head as I slung it on top of it. But still, it was his head that broke the vase. Watch your mouth, watch your goddamn father.

You know, it's door and eye. You know, we've had a lot of ups and downs, which is the theme of the episode. Up and downs, like a lot of ups and downs. But I kind of try to move on and try to turn the paid. I mean, only because I know the experience of one.

Two parents have a very fractured relationship. And so then she tells us that she comes from a horrific breakup family. And she says that her mother blamed she and her brother for everything for the divorce, which was weird because they were kids. And so when she was 10 or 11, her father took them and they went off to live in Haiti.

And because her father was associated with the people and the regime of Duvalier in business. And so then they were in Haiti and then they moved to Miami. And she liked to talk to her mom for 10 years.

And her parents never talk to each other.

And she was like, "Yeah, then we went to Haiti." And you know, he was with the Duvaliers in business ways. Get a picture of the picture of the Porsche. Okay, yeah. And then my mom playing basketball.

I didn't talk to that bitch for 10 years. And you know, they never spoke again. This one, I was not expecting a story or a story. It was Miami and Haiti. I was expecting, you know, well, you know, I was in Branch, Connecticut.

And then I went to school up at Hotchkas. And then after that, you know, I did Sarah Lawrence. And then, you know, I found my way over here to London. I didn't think that's in time in St. Andrews. No, it was just like I was in Haiti and Miami. I was definitely definitely not expecting that.

Yeah.

“Well, you know, I think my mother had her own personal issues.”

But she was young and she was in her 20s. She was probably angry. You know, realize she married the wrong guy. Been there, lost a face over it. But yeah, I don't feel like, you know, any strong maternal presence in my life.

And I was young. That's probably why I didn't want to have kids. I don't want to fuck them off. Okay. Well, Mimi, good job. Mimi's like a Jackson poll.

Go over here. Am I right?

Oh, she's got that mother critical.

I love it. I love that like bit of critical stuff that's sweet, the Sikhs in. And the kids like I'm having fun, mom. She says, oh, that's what counts. She's terrible at this.

She's terrible. Wow. I can't wait to hide this vase in the back and just say that your father broke it again. So now we go to Micah. She goes to Chestnut Coffee Shop and she orders a latte.

And she sits down with. Don't, don't, don't. This is Dara. Wow, Dara's already back. And I loved how excited I was.

I was like, normally when someone leaves the show is then not until the next season or like at the season finale that we circle back to them and I was like, oh my god, oh my god, a competition with Dara, but we're like, nope, we're getting right back into it. Literally excited to see her too. I was like, well, maybe they got her to inquit or something. I was not expecting a bonus Dara scene. So Dara's, so Micah comes up. They're both wearing cream. And Micah comes up to greet her and Dara goes, oh my god, I was literally posing an Instagram post.

I'm like, great, thank great story Dara. Micah goes. Micah goes. Just now. No Micah.

No. I mean, I kind of see what Dara's saying about Micah. Like seriously. I'm proposing an Instagram. You were like right now.

Yeah. Because like I've been waiting here forever. You ordered something. She's like, I did. I got a vanilla latte.

The use. It's me. I'm angry. I'm in my angry lady hat. I'm in my revenge hat.

“So yeah, see what you have to say about it.”

There's Dara that's a good friend. And then there's the side of Dara that I'm learning really fast. I can't trust. Like when did she do that Instagram story? Nobody knows.

Which, of course, that turns out mentioned Instagram story. It was just a highlight that she was there at first and waiting. So Dara's like, so how's it going? Just like, well, I don't feel great after we last saw each other. I feel like I've been holding on to that.

Have you really, that's such a non public-based person thing to do? Well, well, that's so sad for you to have to hold on to that. But I guess it's kind of all you have, right?

Since your husband's never around.

Did I say too much? I'm so we see all these flashbacks. Mostly of Dara just being. I never said those things. And then to production.

I didn't say those things. So then back to present. Dara's like, well, I mean, it's really just not that big of a deal. You think what's a big deal? And she had to say it in front of all those people.

I mean, that's what the issue is.

“You know, like, why did you have embarrassed me like that?”

Just, but you can imagine my shock. But could you imagine my shock? Dara. Dara. Actually, making it about her.

Wow. They really let this one fall to the cracks. She is. Wow. Marcus, like, well, I mean, but like, I was the one in the moment where it was like,

And I was really just, I just was not only shocked, but I was like, so hurt.

“Now, I was just like the person that I would have wanted to lean across the table”

to hug to be like, protect me was like person that was saying the things that they were coming from. Just like, do we stick up for you all the time? She's like, yeah. That's what friendship is. That's what friendship should be.

She's like, I know. And I stuck up for you that night at the table. Remember? And I got to that see that moment where Dara doesn't know what else to say. It's because, um, make as my sister, my cringy, walkie-talkie buying sister.

And I absolutely loved the walkie-talkie so much that I threw them in the trash because I was afraid I would be so distracted by my own one for them. Okay, but I'm just telling you how I felt. Yeah, I get it, but like, I felt the same way. Okay, but like, you shouldn't have told her that stuff.

I don't understand, but they didn't tell her babe. I didn't. I mean, she was just, like, she just happened to make up stuff about walkie-talkies to using the word cringy. I know.

Dara had such an easy out here. She could've been like, oh, I was just joking. I was like, oh my god. You know, Mike, it can be so cringy. Walkie-talkies, but then it turns out it's actually really sweet.

And like, that's what I love about her. Like, there's so many like ways you can, like, you can spin it.

“Because I think that Mike just wants that.”

Because Mike would be like, oh my god, yeah, I know I totally am cringy. Like that, that is me. Like, I'm not denying that, but like, I'm also authentic. No, and that's what I love about you. Because like, we need people who are just like,

give fun gifts like that. Like, it was taking our context. But Dara does not even try.

She's like, no, I ain't never sent that.

I ain't never sent that. I never sent that. And her defense is even, it makes it even worse because she goes, "Did I say anything to McLeod and Missy?" No, she obviously overheard it.

Okay. So you've been saying to other people that she's cringy. And embarrassing. You have no reason not to trust me. I mean, quite safe, you know me.

You know me. I don't even know how to respond to that. You know, because I've come to this table to find out what the authentic story and truth is here. And it's only denial, defensiveness, and deflection.

The three magical days. So Mike is like, I just, I want to feel now more than ever. I need to feel safe in a friendship, right? Yeah, I've been in like goals, but I'm amazed too. See, I'm really committed to making me somehow the victim of this situation.

So yeah, but like it should go both ways, you know? And you know, we should feel safe. I have your back, you have my back.

Do you feel like I've always had your back?

Yeah, and I hope that you feel like I've always had your back. She's like, oh my god, I can't. This is like it's going in circles. So she tries again. And she just keeps trying, and it's so funny.

It's like going up against a wall. And Sarah just keeps going, but me too, they'll be me too. And so finally, Sarah's like, we're going in circles. But she does funny things. But Sarah's the one in the circle, right?

Yeah, she somehow makes it seem like Mike is the one in the circle. Like it's so, it's so good. And Sarah's like, anyway, like I'd love you. And I don't want you to be upset. And so Mike is like, I've known each other for teams.

Since we're teenagers, but I'm gutted, gutted, I tell you. Okay, I'm alive to get back to work.

“So I'm sure you have to get back to whatever it is that you're pretending”

to do for a job. So you go girl, let me do. Sarah, the amount of contempt in Dara's eyes, where she was like, I'm not going to let you do this to me. Like, yeah, I did say those things, but I'm not going to admit it.

And it was just, she was so condescending. It was, I mean, it was blatantly rude, but it was so funny. Like I like to not know what to do with herself. Yeah.

So now it's 1023 in Mark pulls up on a call to missy. And missy has an umbrella. Oh, it's raining. Oh, London. Am I right?

The most wonderful things about Great Britain.

The weather, because it's always reliable, reliably ghastly.

Oh, yes, a good old dose of British weather here. I haven't been. And I have not dressed for it. That's too bad. Also, I, I gave my raincoat to a stranger in the park,

because he said he would paint paint a wall for me. And unfortunately, that was about three months ago. So I've been wet for a while now. They get into the fanciest cars I've ever seen. The fanciest mini bands.

Oh, wow. They're so nice. Oh, my God. So they all pile into a couple of those. This is like, shrinkers.

Yeah. And Kimmy comes. And she's like, oh, I don't mind a little rain, but it's passing down right now. Oh, well, thank God.

God leave. God, where is? Well, it is waterproof boats. So Emma is waterproof boots. Beats.

Beats. What did I say? What did I say? Boats. Which is what my mom always called.

Because it's so big. And then so in the car, Emma, I'm sure.

Who's going to walk around after the education that they had.

Watch what I've read. What a proof. Why would I say a waterproof boat? I don't know. I was just trying to have your back.

Oh, darling. If you can't runny, if you don't stop this right now, I'm going to take a step away from this friendship. Okay. Because I am not going to be like running as someone that I used to know.

I'm the police dead. I can't give to me more polyards than me. So Emma is there. And she's like, How does one dress for a day at the vineyard in a hurricane?

You just got to Ahmed. And Margo is like, She's like, well, I don't even know they had vineyards in England, which by the way, fun fact.

I wish I could remember who told me this because I hate giving fun facts

without being able to give a source. But what I was told is that because of global warming, the wine belt has actually gone north. And so a lot of the vineyards and France are actually having issues and and British vineyards are becoming a thing

because it's warming up enough. Then now Britain is part of the wine climate. Now, I don't know if this is true enough,

“but that's what I heard and everyone go tell it”

at cocktail partners this weekend and see what happens. Spread it and tell them you learned it on the water proof boat. I'm going to look at wine belt written. Oh, wine tasting with Kimmy. This is going to go bad for everyone.

No. This is every day of your life. What are you talking about? So they get stuck in traffic. It's 1141 and they're supposed to be there in like an hour

and it takes three. And he's like, "But I'll have to leave it to on the dot." I mean imagine we were supposed to get this slightly earlier. So yeah, that's crazy. It took three hours.

I mean luckily again, they're in like the most luxurious sprinter vans of all time. They brought right into this wine or any of us. All right, everybody. Goodbye.

I know. I'm just not a selfish bird. The journey took three times as long as it should have taken. But I really want to be there.

“But I mean heaven knows I love a wine tasting.”

But this afternoon I have charity meetings. I work for three charities. When my primary responsibility is to walk up to children and ridicule them to their face.

And I have to say that would always say precedence over social events.

First I've got to go to the headband for cancer with children with cancer. Charity and then I have to go to the plants for rolly, policed charity and then the helicopters for ladies named Helen. You know, it's very, very, very dear to my heart cause. Sorry, ladies.

So this woman in the lane is like, "Ladies, welcome to our original venue. To not do I'm not drinking alcohol, so here we go. And lard is like, "Oh, I hate being in a water. I'm not drinking wine, smelling it's even worse.

Because then you get to whith of it and then you're like, "I just want to drink it. The worst place ever to bring a pregnant woman." They're like, "Shut up, lardy, the scene must go on." Well, we pair diamonds to sparkling wine because they're two of the best things in the world.

So they must be enjoyed together. So I'm going to invite you to try and pair the wine. We've just tried with one of the gemstones here.

“That's only one right answer, all right?”

Can we just give me dozens of things? All right, all right, diamonds. Okay, well, I would pair this one with your block to block because it's all short today. And I'd say that was our white champagne.

Boom! So you're the expert of the group. Yes, and I would say that this is your block to noir because it's all pink on noir. And so it's all slightly darker, a little murkier.

Like, oh, my goodness. Oh, look at this on this wine. It's a very citrusy and freshly baked bread. It's like a lemon-posset with like a fresh crum fresh at the end. Wouldn't you say?

Like, you want a job? And Emma says, yes, she needs a job. Emma's here now. Classy Emma. She's like, she does.

She needs a job. Don't be fooled by the shocking outrageously inappropriate sense of humour. She's actually a very intelligent person. Now, can we see the clips of her sense of humour? She's like, oh, I don't like a man.

He can't eat bush. You're skinny, you're hot, and I'm not even a lesbian. How about to see your boobs, show me your boobs. My boobs are like falling out all the time. So, yeah, Emma's like, yes, she's pretty smart actually.

So, then can we taste another drink? And she goes, well, it's a bit of guava and jolly rancher. Okay, ladies, you're going to sit down and have a lovely meal, but all you'll do is laugh. Well, great.

Great. Can we have some more blonde to blonde? By the way, she says blonde to blonde, I feel like 10 times. Oh, yeah, blonde to blonde. I don't know why it makes you laugh.

But every time she says that I crack out. Like, okay, well, we'll have some more of your sparkling blonde to blonde. Wow, it's a real blonde to blonde kind of day, right?

What a gorgeous day. Thanks for having us.

“It's like, well, I feel like, because what happened last, you're assuming this crazy”

mod, because I was so frustrated, you know? Well, I thought you were just like a featherweight fighter. No, but I mean, I do have the Albanian in me, you know, because I am feisty. I'm very feisty, but I'm not going to lie. I also like the truth, and I've just promised myself from leaving my very toxic relationship

that I want to show up authentic to everyone and to get to know people on a real basis. And I thought it would be a quite nice thing to share a few personal stuff. And then I will share my thing, which will be the most serious of all. Okay, so who wants to try to start one-uping me?

Okay, okay, who goes first, Missy?

Oh, it's something, it's something serious. How about you go first, Kimmy? Emma, because he knows she won't do it. So Kimmy is like, well, I'll go first, fine. All right, well, I have three nipples.

I'm just joking. Okay, I'm just like, okay, well, I found a lot of time in Haiti growing up and my parents got to four, so my father's Haitians. Every time I go to Miami with my father and my father's really funny. And there's like a huge shopping mall in Miami.

And all the ladies in the chaos are Haitians. And my father says to them, "Cree all." I go, "See, you know, I found this little white girl in the mall." Oh, that's funny. And then I turn around and I say, "Cree all."

I'm like, "Oh, I've already slept with him. Don't worry, give him a discount." And then she says, and then she says that she says that in Cree all on camera. I was like, "This bitch speaks Cree all."

What? It's amazing. Like, I want to see Kimmy hang out with Kiki on Miami and just see them speak Cree all together. 'Cause that is, like, I was like, "Oh, my God.

This is Kimmy's amazing." So Mike is like, "Oh." She's like, "Well, my mom's from Boston. My dad's from Barbados. So I'm half-bah-han, and I growing up, I didn't come from place where that was normal."

I mean, and I have a mixed family upbringing.

The answer is, yes, I did send some walkie talkies to Rihanna,

I haven't heard back yet, but I was special to me, and I always felt really proud of that. And I didn't grow up with formal manners at all or etiquette. My career was just like, "Oh, it came out of a deep insecurity of having no idea what was going on."

“Are people falling asleep while I'm telling my story?”

Can we answer more along the block, please? Well, I've just been copying everything you do. I was just eating my fish without my knife, and I was like, "Oh, my God. I'm not supposed to scoop it."

I'm supposed to stab it and put it in my mouth. I just copied you. God, you're so good. By the way, this food that they're eating is gorgeous. It's a piece of fish.

I don't know what the fuck is even on top of this fish. It's the most beautiful artwork on top. It's a beautiful dish. Whatever it is. So then, Mark was like, "Okay, my turn."

In the early 2000s, I made a movie. At the time, it was the sexiest British film ever made. It was called Nine Songs. And the news of the world put out a hotline for anyone who had an information about me.

And I became literally like hunted game. And we see a headline that's like, you know, there's like, you know, in the movie. Like, there's a ejaculation on camera and everything. And he was like, "Oh, is it like a porn film?"

I'm talking about block to block. Am I right? Just like, "No. It went to can. It wasn't.

It can't be a porn film because it went to can."

“But I'm going to have to go on bit more deep, I think.”

Okay, everybody. I lost my brother very publicly in London. And they're like, "Oh, sorry." Marga was just talking about a movie where she caused the guy to ejaculate on camera.

And she's like, "Okay, I lost my brother very publicly." Like, "Missy." So Martha's like, "May I ask what happened?" And she says, "Well, he got shot in London. He got shot."

And everyone's like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry." Geez. And she was so handsome and beautiful and caring. And he loved everyone. And it was six years ago.

And he had two kids.

And she's like, basically, he was shot in front of his son.

So she tells his story. He was walking home from a nursery with his wife and son. And they were outside the front door. And the wife looks back and he's getting shot. And the wife is banging on the door to throw the baby inside.

And it was Christmas Eve. That's just crazy the story. And she's like, "It's my first time I ever spoke about it." But myself, you know, because everyone thinks of my family some crooks and why did he die?

Like, "What's your drug dealer?" You know, everyone was judging the death. And it's taken me so long to talk about it because I tried to keep it deep in my stomach. But me saying it loud is like, "Confirming it happened, you know?"

And Micah's like, "Wow, you know, Alex is still in your veins, though. He still lives with you." And it just keeps citing to Kimmy. And Kimmy's face is like, "Oh God." She's not really going over the top.

She's like, "Whoa." And like, she's like giving more details. And it was Christmas Eve. Oh, no.

Oh, no.

And it's just like, "Oh, my God.

One thing after another." And like, don't get me wrong. It is 100% of tragedy.

“And I would never take that away from Missy.”

It's a terrible terrible thing that happened. But you do see Kimmy and she's like, "Oh, my God. We're just talking about how Margo made a guy come on camera." And now this wall, jeez. So Kimmy, by the way, and this is a very sad parallel

to earlier the original ladies of London, which also had like shadows of underworld crime when no well's boyfriend was like suspiciously fell out of his window and onto like a fence down below. But there was like, there was like mob action.

True. Right. Yeah. Her husband was like in the Russian mob or something. Or allegedly.

Very fishy that happened there.

So Kimmy is like, "Well, this is definitely not the tone.

I was expecting for a viticulture lunch." I mean, I feel bad for Missy. But it's more than I had anticipated. I mean, how about we talk about something. Funny.

Am I right? And she's just like, "Whoa. I started cracking up because it was kind of what I was thinking. Because when you watch these shows, you know, especially in the past decade or so, everything is about your trauma.

“It's all based, you know, the only way to get anything is like,”

"Okay, now it's your time for your trauma. And they have to do it on every show. They do it on big brother. They do it on survival." It's like, "Oh, my God.

They didn't find the rice." And this reminds me of the time when my bike was stolen. When I was a child and I was literally run over by a roadrunner. You know, and then it's like, "Ah."

And then the whole time they talk about that.

And so it's kind of everyone, you know, getting social capital based off their trauma. And you're just supposed to go along with it. Even if it's annoying, you're just supposed to be like, "Okay. Well, that was sad or whatever." But just like, "Kimmy is like everyone's inside for us."

You're like, "Oh, Jesus. I'm gonna win or after you hear about your dead brother." Whoa. Can I do this? Hey, let's talk about shots.

Can we get some shots over here? Blank the Blank. Hey. I'm lying to Blank. Blank my brain right now.

This is just so boring. But there was, you know, I think the thing like that kind of rub me the wrong way is like, on the one hand, yeah, I think it is actually very nice that she's sharing this like very sad chapter in her life. But there was like a little bit of an element of manipulation about it for me. And part of it is probably the producer said, "Hey, we want you to talk about this."

So like, I can't fully blame her. But I kind of felt like, "Oh, she set up this whole thing to have this moment where like everyone's having fun." And then she's like, "Guys, let me tell you about something very serious to me." I don't know. I just felt, it felt, I don't know.

There was something about the timing of this conversation that felt a little self-serving. Maybe I'm just being really callous and unfeeling right now. But it's like what you said. It felt like it was the build social capital in a way that I don't know. It's maybe like, I don't know.

It didn't sit right with me. It seemed like typical reality fodder to me. Like, "Okay, everybody, let's unload our traumas." The reaction to it was so rude on Kimmy's part. Especially later.

Here's to it wasn't really being rude. But it was just, it was nice to see a different reaction. It's just like, "Oh, God, why are we out? Why are we out? I'll have to talk about our traumas." Can we just talk about some fucking wine?

“Because in real life, that's what you know.”

It's like, "Oh, that's what you're thinking." "Where are you ruining the wine dinner?" So everybody else is really nice. "Oh, my God, that's so sad." And then Missy then turns to Emma.

And she goes, "On to love, that was a big one." Like, good luck. Good luck. Following me, bitch. Yeah, there was kind of like a one-up sminship.

It was like a little bit of like that trauma Olympics that happened on reality TV. So it's like, "Now it's your turn, Emma." And I'm like, "I don't know what to say. My goodness." Well, yeah, because Emma's like, "I own long-lead past."

It's a Ferrari. Is it hard to struggle sometimes owning rich things? And she's like, "Yes, it's huge challenge." You know, I feel a huge responsibility, not only to the people of this country, but to the riders.

And Missy's like, "Well, especially because you're a mom too." Or, you know, you want to talk about that. Oh, yes. Being a mother, I work harder than ever. "What? Margot's like, "What does your husband do?" He runs the business. He runs everything.

Any you do it together." And Kim is like, "Oh, and he's the funniest guy." "Yes, he's hilarious." "But he's very serious in business-minded." Emma's like not giving anything. She's like, "Mm-hmm."

"It's hard." So, so your husband is a too, because that is just a Marquez. Well, I don't know what's the difference. Because I'm not English, so I don't know the difference. And Kim is like, "Well, it's higher than a joke."

I'm telling you that much. And then we see on the screen, it's like, "Hi, Ark, of English nobility." Duke, Marcus, or, "Vy-Count Baron Baronette." Not "Hi, Ark." Yeah, it's like, "You correction."

So Kim is like, "Well, thank God for Emma."

So now Martha's turn, she's well. Here's my story. I have a lot to add to. I had a sister who killed herself. She was called "Polly." And it's the pee from the signature. And I wanted it in mind.

But I got it done. I took her three days after she died. She wasn't in a fit state to fight with the tattooists. I'm like, "Oh, okay." God, listening to everyone's sound story. I mean, James, I need a drink.

Spainful. James, it's a blog to blog. Why am I shrink? James. Then it gets a lot of age.

I want to kind of reciprocate everyone being vulnerable. So about eight years ago, my dad was diagnosed with liver cancer. Oh, God. They started him on a miracle drug. He's been eight years now.

And he's still with us.

And I was like, "Oh, that's amazing."

And that's amazing. And he was like, "Oh, God." This is inoperable. I mean, this was supposed to be a nice day out. And I felt bad for the vineyard people.

I was like, "Sorry, so I was like, "Drip." Well, I think we should have fun now. So let's go have some drinks." And the server was like, "Oh, great time, Missy. What a great vulnerable lunch.

We just loved it." So now, when room has champagne pong set up. And then in the other room is Kimmy talking to Margo. So we start with the beer pong ladies. And they're like, "Oh, my God.

Beer pong." It's like beer pong, but with champagne. That's crazy. Yeah. And they're talking about beer pong.

And Kimmy's like, "Okay, Margo, we need to go talk." Okay. Oh, it's okay. So let's talk. And she's like, "My God.

That was just like way too much." Oh, because of the be at the chat. He's like, "This is like an an a meeting." Am I right? And Margo's like, "Well, you know, I mean, it's kind of a big deal."

She's like, "Oh, God, please." So we go back to champagne pong. And they're talking. And Lottie's like, "We didn't hear anything from Kimmy that we didn't already know. I was just wondering if she's normally that way."

And Martha's like, "Oh, she's amazing.

Don't worry." But can she be vulnerable?

“Because I think it would be nice to know something more about her.”

I mean, I shared how my father had antibodies find now. You know, did I tell the one about his lost his job that he's rich now? Really, things do work out for my father. But I would, I would really, there's a girl's lunch of vulnerability. I mean, even the rich one talked about how she has to have a zoo in a backyard.

So depressing, darling. I'm sorry. What is Lottie talking about? First of all, Kimmy started it off. So she didn't know that the tone of this was to be like, "Oh, let's share trauma."

So she was maintaining the tone of the conversation, which is like, "Here's a fun story of my life, my childhood." In fact, she shared that she spent time in Haiti. And I thought that actually was insightful. And I just feel like she didn't know that it was going to turn into,

like, "Let's all share something that was really sad and scary." Let's like, "Let's like, trauma bond over this." She had no idea that was happening, so you can't blame her for that. Yeah, I think she was picking up on Margo's, or I thought I feel like her name should be Margo, don't you?

But it's not anything. Everyone's name has an M and everyone's name either starts with an M or has prominent M's in it. Yeah, but she seems like more of a Margo to me. Like, "Oh, well, Margo!"

But it's not that's Kimmy.

“So I think she was picking up on Kimmy's looks”

because the camera kept catching Kimmy, and she wasn't doing overt like, "Oh, grand." But her face was like, "Oh, my god, mother fuck." To sad story. Well, who also has been dived, you know?

So I think they were kind of picking up on that.

And she was basically saying, "Kimmy's is anybody else getting the Kimmy is a cold-hearted villain?"

But it's in just me. Yeah, they're going to try to make Kimmy the villain, but it's not going to work because everyone's going to turn on Lottie and probably Missy. So Kimmy's like, "I mean, look, Margo, everything, everybody's really great."

I just think that people are quieter than others, and I thought Emma was really quiet. And Margo was like, "I mean, well, she wasn't divulging any personal information." "Well, of course." I mean, I know a lot about her and her husband. She's like, "Oh, you knew Steven first?

Well, Steven and I were very good friends before they were together." But did that change when they got together? Oh, no, no, we were just friends. I mean, we were naughty friends. Oh, did you ever hook up?

It's commercial break. And it seems like she's going to say yes, because she just gives a smirk and it goes to commercial. But when we come back, she's like, "No, we didn't hook up. I mean, come home." She's like, "Well, I swear to God, we didn't."

“Well, do you think that Emma knows that you're about, or do you think that Emma thinks that you're about influence on her husband?”

What are you saying? She's like, "Oh, yeah. You know, he put me in a ceiling in a box. I mean, we'll just slap our heads off." And he's a bit crazy, and she's kind of the grown-up.

That's quite ironic, because she's a younger person. I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah. So then we're with the champagne park. Martha's like, "Oh, Emma, do you have any orders there on your safari?"

She's like, "Oh, if I can get this. Can I go in with the orders? I'd love to swim with the orders, please. Do you think any of the orders know how to paint an apartment?" She's like, "Well, I mean, who can feed the orders in a wholesome hat?

It'll matter." So Martha misses the carpet and it drops the ball in for her. And they're like, "Oh my God, Martha won!"

She's like, "Oh my God, I've simply never chosen to live responsibly."

And she's like, "I get to feed the orders, make it in their pool." Emma's like, "Oh, God." So then, Missy thinks the night went so well. She feels so supported, and she's so happy to have this group of ladies. And so everybody packs back into the vans.

And Margo's car, she's with Kimmy and Margo's. So Kimmy, you hated it, she goes, "Hey, did what?" The chat. Oh God. Listen, I just can't deal with none.

I mean, when people start opening up too much, I just wanted to listen to you as.

“And I think that's what I was picking up on.”

Also, there was something felt like, like, I don't know why. Just in genuist is not the word I would use, but it's like that sense of like, "Why are you doing this?" What are you trying to achieve right now? So Martha was like, "Well, but I didn't know that about Missy.

I feel really bad." And Kimmy was like, "Well, I mean, I know this story. It was some drug related thing." Which is like, I'm the heels of Missy saying, like, "It's been so hard because everyone thinks that we're a crooks and involved with drugs."

She said, "Well, yeah." Well, it's some drug thing about hopping. Margo was like, "Well, I mean, that's what the press said, but who knows what the real story was. There's no nuance."

All right, right. Well, I'm just saying though. I think out of the day, you get nothing for nothing. I mean, there definitely was some drug related thing. I mean, it was.

It's just one. So Martha was looking it up on her phone, and it says Swedish kickboxer found guilty of murdering father of two and organized hit. And Kimmy's like, "Well, I mean, it was what it is. I mean, let's not make it into some fucking sob story."

Come on. Margo goes, "It is a sob story. It is literally a sob story."

“Oh, so you just think the way you think that just happened by fucking accident.”

I mean, I think it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Oh, God. Well, if you ever watched Saturday Night Live, I mean, there used to be a character called Debbie Downer.

Debbie was just always the person that would come to the party and be like,

"Oh, my sister died." I mean, you're not. And then the whole party would go, "Well, shit." You know, I mean, I hate Debbie Downer. So just, hey, don't call me old-fashioned.

Well, I mean, it's sad. It's horrible. But it is what it is. Mark was like, "I mean, Jesus Christ, what's a girl got to do around here.

He got some fucking sympathy or empathy." So Mark was like, "Oh, no, he shot him. He shot him eight times." Well, there he goes. There he goes.

There he goes. But point proof in. What is, I just thought that was so funny. Like, what is, what is Kimmy? Like, what point did Kimmy just make?

Well, there he go. Eight times. See, nothing to solve about there. A real, a real soft story is 10 times. Mark is like, "Oh, my God."

Well, listen, I've seen a lot of stories like that. So there's so many stories like that.

Because like, yeah, but I mean, I've never met anybody

that that was their family. Well, I have. I mean, when I was living in Haiti, as a young girl, the gun crime, I've seen growing up as unreal.

I mean, none of this, none of this thing. It's just crazy. She's being pretty flippin' about something really horrific. But equally, I think that's a deflection. I mean, I don't want to see it here on harp on bad things.

That happened to me 30 years ago. It doesn't help me. Makes me feel worse. Can we get some blonde to block in this car? We're crying out loud.

I thought it was interesting. Because it's this whole episode about like, "Okay, how vulnerable. Let's show all the darkest parts of these people." Basically, right?

“You have to see him with Martha, and the storage unit.”

I mean, it's been pretty dark. And this was making me laugh. But I thought it was neat. Like, how Martha turned it? And she was like, "Well, I do think this is projection."

And then, because then, it makes you look at it like, "Oh, yeah. This is like, Kimmy is like a deeply sad person." Yeah. Who's just like, "I don't want to talk about this shit." And so she just keeps going on and on.

She's like, "I mean, I'm not talking about shit for 30 years." Like, "Oh, I mean, it just makes me feel worse." Martha's like, "Well, I don't know why you're yelling at me. I was not doing with you." She's like, "Oh, I'm not.

I'm just going to throw my hat at you. I'll just kick it off." Yeah. Marcus, like, "Yeah, you just have to be in her eye line." I agree.

Clearly, you know, Kimmy's has like a dark childhood, right? Where there was this vicious divorce, the mom who blamed him. Like, she had to deal with whatever psychological baggage comes with her mom blaming you for the solution of the family. And then moving to Haiti where she obviously was exposed to some sort of violence. And she probably doesn't want to revisit those moments, those memories.

So it is pretty interesting.

“But also simultaneously, her reactions were very funny and entertaining.”

And I just love that the show is like, "Yes, we'll give you some serious stuff." And some stuff that's like, "Wow, this is shocking." And these women have like, have like really, you know, like, they've been through some stuff. But the show is also going to be like, "But we're still going to... We're going to cut through this with the dose of acid."

We are going to still be funny in these moments. I love that. Yeah. Good show. Good show.

All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We will talk to you next week. Bye. Bye.

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