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special guest as our first guest co-host. I brought in Scott Galloway's hero, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Welcome, Madam Secretary. Oh, it's great to be here. I didn't know this was

officially Scott free August. Yeah, you're the kickoff. You're the kickoff. I'm excited.

Wherever you are, Scott have a great August. We are very excited to have you here. You're one of my heroes too. And we've had some good times recently. Then you just went to the liberty game. How did that go? Oh my god. Well, you know because you've been there. It is the most exciting and fun experience.

“I mean, honestly, the way that arena, you know, Berkeley in Brooklyn lights up with the liberty.”

And of course, LA, the elephant who is naughty and fun. Did you win the naughtyness? No, wow, I'm not at all. No. I think it was shaking or tail at me the whole time. I loved it. The crowd loved you, by the way. Oh, well, I love the crowd. I mean, this, you know, going to a liberty game in the summer in New York, people are in a good mood. They're happy. They're, you know, they cheered literally everything. I mean, if the referee walked, you know, onto the court, they

cheered. They were just in such a good mood. So yeah, absolutely. I would like to bottle that and make sure that it's available year round. It does make you feel better. How do you feel about like women's sports becoming it? Because it really is sort of hugely popular of suddenly women's basketball. And there's a lot of controversy around again, obviously. Recently, Mag is all upset. If Caitlin Clark doesn't say something about trans people, it's gotten really

“political too. Yeah. Well, I think that kind of shows that it's succeeding. I mean, it's really”

broken through into people's consciousness. Because, I mean, I obviously can remember when there was nothing. Maybe, maybe roller derby was like the closest to professional women's sports that I can remember. And I love sports growing up. And I was lucky enough to go to a public school that we played sports, but only intramural, only in physical education. There would know inner school teams. And the rules for girls were often different. I played half court basketball,

which those of you of a certain age, although it's coming back in some places. Six people on a team, not five and three on each side of the center court line. And it was just a, it was a disappointment in a way because I think a lot of girls that I knew loved sports, they could swim. And if they were like really, really good, you know, maybe someday the Olympics. But that was such a small number. And then thanks, you know, to Title IX and passing legislation, which really made a difference in

required schools to offer equal opportunities, you know, it took a long time to get fully embedded.

okay at half court basketball. I never could have, you know, I would never have made a school

team and either. But I love sports. And I played sports all summer long with my brothers and the kids in the neighborhood when I was growing up. And it really made a big difference when girls who were much better than me and more dedicated to sports got a chance to compete. And thanks to the, you know, the national women soccer team, they really put themselves out there on the equal pay demand. And, you know, and they open the door. And now there are, now leagues, softball leagues that are

being professionalized. As I said, I heard just recently, there's some kind of a half court

“basketball thing that is reviving. So I think you're going to see more and more of it. But you're”

also seeing pushback. Like we're seeing on anything affecting, you know, women in the public eye. So we have to continue to, you know, push and defend. Yeah, they're kind of trying to make these racial beats. They're trying to make trans beats, you know, trying to sort of enter controversy into something that's actually very joyful if you've spent any time in any of this. It is joyful. I mean, I would encourage anybody, you know, my husband watches, you know,

watches both men's and women's basketball. And I watch some of it as well. But there is just a feeling. And my friends told me this, you told me this. And others told me, just go to a game. You will have a sport experience. I've been to women's soccer games. But being

in an arena with a crowd that is so enthusiastic and it was just an amazing and an an

naughty elephant and an naughty elephant. I know I eat elephant. I wish you'd have been a donkey. But it wasn't naughty elephant. Oh, no. Okay. That might turn around the demographic party.

“Thank you so much. What do you have? No. Question, what have you done the rest of the summer?”

What are you up to? I've done a lot of traveling with my family. Going out west went to, you know, Wyoming with my daughter and her husband and the three grandkids had a great time visited some friends in Montana. You know, obviously the American West is just awesome. Yeah, did you get out to the code? Do you want to be on Mount Rushmore? Do you think it should be on Mount Rushmore? It's just thinking. Not only do I not want to be on Mount Rushmore. I don't think anybody else should be

added to Mount Rushmore. But it's quite a sculptural feat. I mean, when you get there and you look at these giant hills on the side of this mountain. Now, I'm also told that similar to the reflecting pool screwing with it could possibly bring the whole thing down. I'm just predicting that there may be conversations happening some places that, you know, Washington Southern Florida about trying to figure out how to shoehorn another head into that. I don't think that's a good idea. Nobody does except

one person. But can I ask you a question really quickly about the reflecting pool? How are you felt about that? What's happening? Well, first of all, if you go through the chronology, it's really clear what happened. You know, they hired a guy who didn't know what he was doing and he did what he didn't know and the result is, you know, the algae center of the universe. And,

“you know, I think even Janine Piero says, "I can't prove this case." Now, she went and guns”

of blazing into the old office, I read, and basically, you know, said to the president, "It's not my fault. It's his fault in points to the interior secretary," which has some truth to it. I mean, she's a US attorney. She's not the interior secretary. She doesn't run the national park service. She didn't give the contract to the pool contractor who didn't know what he was doing. And so she survived. She actually had good arguments on her side, and she was unafraid to make

them. But it's just another example of the absurd world in which we are living, that you've got up the president of the United States obsessing over a failed, pooled job, a construction job, gone wrong, that he oversaw, just like what he's doing now on the south lawn, tearing it up for the helicopter landing zone. I mean, honestly, the guy is so out of it right now, unhinged, obsessed and focused on all the wrong things. You know, maybe we should be happy, he's

messing around with the reflecting pool and nothing, not starting another war somewhere else. Yeah, we're going to get into some news in a second, but did you like the east wing? Did you

want a ballroom ever? I never really thought about it. You know, what we did, and it was a temporary

put up a tent. Now, I'm not against the idea of a ballroom. I'm against this ballroom. I'm

against the process that, well, the fact there was no process that created this carbuncle on

“the side of the white part, which I think is so unfortunate looking. So I don't, the next president's”

going to have a big decision. What do you do with the half-finished ballroom? What would you do? You know, I don't know. I mean, the idea of tearing it down is, and we don't know really what's going on underneath it. You know, several floors down under the white house. There are security structures, there are safe rooms. If you remember after 9/11, there's a picture of Condy Rice and Dick Cheney in a room, very crowded looking room, that is under the white house.

So I don't know what they're doing down there, so you'd have to figure that out too. But I think they'll have to be some, probably have taken down the arch, which he is determined to put up, which I think is just a terrible idea. I think we'll have to worry about the reflecting pool because it's not going to be fixed by the time he leaves, assuming he leaves. So there's going to be a long list. I'm making a list for the next con part. Are you making a list? Do you

going to degold the horses? The degold? The horses take down. Have you seen them up close? Yeah, I saw picture. I saw a piece like Saddam Hussein. You know what that's a very, you know, when I was in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein, I had meetings, I was in a senator, I had meetings in some of his palaces, and they were quite reminiscent of what we are seeing in our own white house. It's just the goal. In saying this, is that hard for you to watch or just they're like,

"I'll take down the gold." It's sad. You know what? It's sad to me. It's sad that it's so tacky up and it is, it's a reflection of, you know, his narcissistic personality and his need to feel important, including sticking gold, embellishments all over the walls of the Oval Office. I mean, I was in the Oval Office, you know, under gosh, I think Carter, you know, Bill, obviously, you know what house, Obama, Biden, et cetera, and I'm looking at what he's doing to it, and this is

a man who can't concentrate. This is a man who is mine, apparently goes to where can I add more gold instead of how do I get out of Iran without looking like the looser that I am? How do I begin to, you know, deal with AI, which is a serious threat to our security or labor force and so

“much else. His mind is about, what are these things that reflect my need to appear important?”

And so that's what he spends his time on. Well, we can always take it down, right? We can always take it

down anyway. That's on my list for the next two hours. He's a secretary of taking down the gold. Isn't that big good idea? Secretariat, cleaning it up, fixing it up. Oh, my, they would lose their mind anyway. Well, it's already gone. Let's talk, let's move to the Democrats as we take progress or candidate Abdul El-Sayat has nearly one Michigan's Democratic Senate primary defeating moderate representative Haley Stevens in one of the party's most watched races. The race has

been widely viewed as a test of Democratic party's direction, hitting the progressives against

the establishment representative Haley Stevens, a side spent over $64 million in ads in the race.

Well, I'll say spent $7.1 million. I'll say he goes back by Bernie Sanders and AOC will face Republican Mike Rogers in the general election that could help determine the control of the Senate. I want to do Democrats read into these results. It was very close, which was closer than people thought.

“I think you have to look at both the candidates and the messages and the support that each had.”

I know Haley was a terrific member of Congress. She was a really effective member of Obama's auto recovery task force. She's a doer. She's a doer, but she's not a modern politician. I mean, she is not somebody who has mastered the art of video and performance online. And I think out of the lesson is, that's what people are looking for, or at least have to people. Because as you said, it was absolutely skin type. The election wasn't even called until just recently this morning.

their obsession with their screens. They're looking for a candidate regardless of almost where that candidate might stand or their positioning. But who, first and foremost, they can relate to through the screen. How does that person come across? And I'm just hoping that the people who come

across well on the screen are also people who can produce results because that's not always the same

“thing, but that's what the evolution of, you know, political contests now is pointing us towards.”

So is it more than just the screen? Because I mean, look, being good at podcasts isn't going to get you elected, right? Exactly. You have to have that skill as you had to have various skills over the years. But there's this whole idea that there's this sort of struggle within the democratic party. And I think of my own son who lives in Michigan. He just liked what he had to say. Right. And there's also a throw the bund out thing. I think he was impacted by the money.

He was sort of like, what's with that? And he wanted to be able to articulate it without being, like, I don't like a pack slash Elon slash anybody coming in. And he wanted to be able to articulate that without being called anti-Semitic or whatever it happens to be. He just was, there was something else happened. Well, that was, that was going to be my second point. I think that the message

was very powerful. And, you know, people are fed up. They want to see results. They want to see

“government working for them. That's those who voted for Trump. That's what they thought they were”

getting. And so I do think that the message, which is, you know, very clear, you know, Medicare for all get money out of politics. And the fact that she was an incumbent, all of that worked to the advantage of El Saeed. So I think it was a, it was a, a confluence of his skills, his, his presentation skills, which I think are pretty obvious, not an incumbent. He also had pretty broad name recognition, because he had run against scratch and wit Murray, wasn't totally new to the, to the, to the state,

or to the voters. And his, his message was a very clear, simple, straightforward, you know, Medicare for all, get money out of politics. And also, you know, I, I think there was, you know, some questioning on the part of people like really, I just want to try something different. I'm just not happy with where we are. I'm not asking you for advice, but which Democrats do about this sort of, and the right is really taking advantage of this, it's the progressive, left communists,

those are powerful words. But yeah, what, how do you met, to me, you just say, we have a lot of people,

we have a lot of different people in different states, what's the very, very different from Mickey Cheryl, very different from Amy Klobe, which are very different from, you know, that kind of thing, or grudge with Murray. Then, how do you, do you think it is a wake-up call, or just a, like, we evolved,

“and we changed kind of. Yeah, no, look, I think there's no doubt that, you know, the,”

the Republican Party is the Trump cult, and the Democratic Party is a bigger tent. You know, we do have a broad cross-section of people, what they believe, what their experiences are. I think that's an advantage, but we also have to win general elections. And so how we pivot, and get behind the candidate in Michigan, so that we can beat, you know, the Republican candidate, Mike Rogers, that's going to, that's going to require a lot of outreach and a lot of willingness

on the part of the, you know, the winning candidate and his supporters to know that they need the people that they, we're vilifying online in person. I mean, the kind of things that we're said about Haley, her supporters, you know, there were a lot of really nasty personal attacks in this family. You're familiar with that. And, and, you know, one thing that we haven't yet seen enough of is that when the progressives are left, whatever we want to call, you know,

candidates on that side of the, the Democratic Party, when they lose, they often don't support the candidate that has been nominated. You know, there was a lot of reluctance to support Kamala Harris. There was a lot of reluctance to support me when I got the nomination. So, it can't be a one-way street, you know, if we're going to have a fair election as there was in Michigan, and somebody comes out ahead a little bit ahead, but needs to get a huge percentage of the

voters that voted for Haley, they're going to have to be willing to, you know, get into a conversation

and the, and the real fight will be how, how do we make sure that people who voted for Haley

“feel comfortable voting for Abdul El Said, and how do we get independence to feel comfortable?”

And you can see that it's not just about Michigan, but the Republican messaging is communist, socialist. It's going to be a very effective attack. And so people on the left have to be prepared to answer that, and to be effective at answering that. Do you think communist is an effective attack in 2006? Well, all I know is that's the attack that Trump is leading with, and I assume they've tested it, and I assume that they have reason to believe that it's effective, or they

wouldn't be beating the drum on it, because now it's not just him. Vance has done it. Others are doing it.

They are trying to, you know, bring back scare tactics about our candidates, and

you know, didn't work in New York. Mam'Dani was elected, and there was a lot of money he spent against him. But again, when you have an effective candidate on the left,

“it's still is going to be a close race on our side. So then how do these candidates who win”

whether they're the, you know, candidate that's more conventional, so called moderate candidate, although really moderate compared to what? Not compared to Republicans. They're, you know, very much on the, you know, social justice, you know, redistribution side of the ledger, but if they are going to have to pivot to support the candidate on the progressive left side, they're going to need to feel they're welcome. They're going to need to feel that, you know,

yeah, a lot of people like your son voted for him. They liked the message, but other people voted on different grounds. I mean, you know, Israel played a role in this election as we know, APEC played a role as we know. So there's going to have to be, you know, on both sides, a, an understanding, look, we got to work together. We're not going to beat Republicans by being divided. What's the message against Rodgers that he's a, you know, he's a Trump candidate that

he's going to show up and he's going to, you know, vote for the Republican agenda. He's going to vote for Trump and how well is that worked for you? I mean, even the people in Michigan who voted for Trump is that what they voted for? Did they vote for the war in Iran? Did they vote for corruption

“unlike we've ever seen before? Did they vote for tearing down the East Wing of the White House?”

I mean, there's a long list. So he can't, he doesn't have much maneuver room or Trump will denounce him, although Trump, you know, can't go too far because he needs, he wants him to win. But, you know, Mike Rodgers is not a, you know, clone of Trump. He's not a, a certified cult member. So I think it has to be a two way attack, pin Trump on him, but also force him to have to decide whether to separate from Trump, but then undermine Republican enthusiasm for those

who are, you know, the true believers of Trump. Right. Well, one of the ways they did it as midterms approach was seeing an impact that the redistricting wars, the Democratic's pat to retaking the house has narrowed according to the Cook political report. Thanks to newly redrawn maps across 10 states, the number of competitive swing seats has dropped from 87 to 77. Democrats need to win at least 57 of those 77 seats to take back the house. And meanwhile, Maryland Democrats are trying

to fight back lawmakers, put a constitutional amendment on the ballot that could open the door to redrawing the states congressional maps. But even if voters approve the new maps, we wouldn't take effect until 2028. So talk a little bit about the jerrymandering for the upcoming. You're the

first person who said, I'm a little worried to meet and I picked my head up. That's it. Yeah.

No, no, no, look, they're Republicans. You got to give them credit. They know what they're doing. They they have to try to narrow the electorate in order to elect their candidates. And they're purging voters. They're they're waging all these lawsuits trying to get a hold of the voter roles. They are trying to intimidate voters. They're trying to undermine confidence in the election. They know exactly what they're doing. And one of their most effective strategies is what they've

done with jerrymandering and redistricting over the last years. And Republicans have no doubt about what's at stake. You know, they could care less about good government. They could care less about trying to figure out how we create an optimum environment for even more people to vote and feel their vote was counted. That's not what they're interested in. They're interested in winning, holding power and then inflicting their values on all the rest of us. So the Democrats

for years and there was a big movement. We wanted to go to nonpartisan redistricting. We wanted

jungle voting. So they could vote for both Democrats or Republicans at the same time. We did all of this in the name of good government, expanding the electorate, all the right things. Meanwhile, the Republicans on the other side of the aisle were doing everything they could to create a map that they would dominate. And they did it. So it wasn't enough for them what they'd already done. Then Trump was looking for more votes because he knew that the midterms would likely be bad for

him. So that's when he called, you know, Abbott and Texas. And you know, I'm really happy that

Gavin Newsom was one of the first to say we're fighting back. We're not going to sit here and be treated

like Trump's. You know, we're for good government. You're for power. And you're going to dominate us for the foreseeable future. We're not going to live in that world. So we have fought them to sort of a draw, but they ended up with an advantage. And there were a couple of states that resisted Trump until he literally picked candidates to beat the state legislators who thought it wasn't the right thing to do. So they are still on the march to do everything they can to advantage themselves.

“Our, you know, effort in Maryland fell short because a democratic, I think, Speaker of the”

House or Senate Pro Tem Leader was against it. So he Westmore couldn't get it out of the legislature. So he's tried to take it to a vote of the people. We saw what happened in Virginia where they went to the extraordinary lengths of getting a, a new map that they submitted to the voters. You didn't see Abbott doing that in Texas. They just drew the lines and, you know, told people to fall in line. And so when Virginia was overturned, that would have given us if it hadn't been overturned on

what I thought was a kind of a procedural, you know, red herring, but they did it. So we lost those potential seeds. So this is going to be a real fight. So you're more worried at you were expressing

more worried. Most people think it's going to be a slam dunk. Well, I'm, I'm always, I'm always

“worried. I think we will still win, but I don't know how big our margin will be. Which needs to be”

the margins important. It does. It does. It needs to be big enough to accommodate our big tent and also to drive an agenda in the house. And I still think, like I say, I still think we're going to win. I still think that, you know, the efforts that were made for us to fight back, you know, did give us some advantage. I think maybe we'll even see some surprises in the Texas redistricting, because I'm not sure they did as good a job redistricting because of the way they cut up black

districts. But then along comes the Supreme Court decision, getting the voting rights act. And so all of a sudden, that gave states that wanted to limit black representation. Another bite at the apple, so to speak. And it didn't work in Missouri. It didn't work in Louisiana. Yeah. And it worked

probably in Alabama. And so, you know, that, so they never stop. I guess my point is they're not

interested in very unfair elections. Yeah. So very briefly for the Senate, most people think the

“Democrats will not take the Senate, but what is your prediction? I think we still have a 50-50 shot.”

I mean, it really comes down to Michigan and Maine. Can the new candidate and Maine beets Susan Collins? You know, she has a remarkable staying power in Maine. Speaking of car bunkers. You know, I mean, you have Farnaca. The, you know, Maine voters have voted for her while they voted for Democratic presidents, Democratic governors, and Democratic members of Congress. So he, you know, he seems to be, you know, really vigorously trying. And unlike the, you know,

the problems that we had with the first candidate, he seems to be, and I hope the stretch to, you know, be able to compete all the way, no surprises. And then back to Michigan, we'll see. We'll see whether, and it's the best year for somebody like LCI to be running. It's the best year because, you know, Trump is so unpopular. His popularity, I think, is down to 33%. So he will have the advantage of running against a Republican when Republican and the Republican brand is not in

special candidate. Yeah. And a lot of people I talk to about Iran, Cara, say that we're not going to be out of it by the election. It's going to linger over this country and cause problems in the economy. And just about any way, Trump now tries to get out of it. He's going to look like the loser, which I think our candidates can then add to their messaging against Republicans. Yeah. All right, Madam Secretary, let's go in a quick break. When we come back, Todd Blanch,

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Search for the inventory time, impact on your favorite streaming platform. Matter of Secretary, we're back with more news. Senator Republicans advanced Todd Blanche's nomination for Attorney General after he committed to killing Trump's anti-weaponization fund, Republican senators John Kornin and Don Tillis, dropped their opposition after Blanche put in writing the fund without mood forward. Democrats argued that changes aren't legally enforced,

but more than the fund could be revived in the future. Senate Judiciary Committee voted 12 to 10-long party lines to send Blanche's nomination to the full Senate for Republican told 53 seats. However, Senate with Senator Mitch McConnell expected to miss the vote. Blanche can afford to lose only two Republican senators and Susan Collins already said she'll vote no. And great news, Blanche told faith leaders that he was planning to roll back abortion acts as not great news

for women, even in states that have laws protecting it making jobs permanent in every state. How much do you think the Justice Department changes under Blanche compared to last

“several months and how likely is the anti-weaponization fund resurfaces in another form?”

Now, a lot of people say if you didn't get Blanche, you just keep him there as acting and what's the difference or I'll put someone worse in. Thoughts, although it's gone from bad to worse, from Pamboni. Well, look, I think Todd Blanche has proven himself to be a total sick of FANT in every way. I mean, he had a fairly robust legal career before he began representing Trump. And he is all in. He's not the Attorney General of the United States. He is the personal

lawyer of Donald Trump, presiding over the Department of Justice. And what they're done by accident. And that's already a slip of all time. I know. And what they've done to the Justice Department, I don't think most people who are not lawyers or don't follow this closely realize what the perversion of justice means. You know, I've heard you and Scott talking about what are the real pillars of the American success, our political success. But especially our economics is

success over, you know, 250 years. Well, part of that was, you know, look, with exceptions,

a legal system with judges who were more interested in following the law than curing

favor to the president who appointed them. That is a key to whether or not we have a confidence in our economic system as well as our political system. So what they've done to destroy confidence in the justice system has far reaching implications. It's not just about Trump trying to get a immunity from having his taxes ever audited. You know, I've been in politics for a long time. I've been audited more times than I can remember. You know, what that's part of the way that you

show that there's nothing to hide and you show that you have confidence in our legal system. Trump doesn't want to be accountable to anybody. Any down has an attorney general who is a, you know, absolute implementer of whatever grunt or grievance that, you know, Trump puts forth.

“And I think I think Todd Blanche is extremely dangerous. And the idea that you would say what he said”

about abortion when allegedly the Dobbs decision was to put it back in the States. That was never

their final goal. They always intended to go from returning it to the States to try to prevent the States like Kansas, a surprising red state that consistently votes to keep abortion out of politics, to give women the choice to make what is best for them and their families. They don't want that. They want a uniform national set of, you know, criminal penalties and rules and Todd Blanche is going to deliver for them. The best he can. How can he do that next? I don't know.

I don't know what he means by that. I think what he means is they're going to try to appeals with the, because abortions are up numbers. Yeah, that's the irony. If you really wanted

abortions to fall, which I've been working for since the 90s, I've been working to decrease

teen pregnancy, working to, you know, make abortions not necessary by providing, you know, contraception to people at an affordable way so that they could, you know, make decisions when they felt ready to make decisions, doing more education so that people, particularly young people, knew what was at stake. And there's a lot of things you could do. But if you're going to treat women like their disposable commodities and they should be barefooted in the kitchen,

you're going to get more abortions because and they're going to be either legal abortions in the states where they are still available or they're going to be back alley abortions. And anybody who is studying history or knows anything about this understands it. Right. So do you think he could bring back the anti-weaponization fund? It seems it. It seems to stick in Trump's crawl quite a bit. Well,

“I think they will try to re imagine the weaponization fund and call it something else and bring it back”

because Trump wants to reward his insurgents, particularly from January 6, but, you know, others who have stuck with him despite all the evidence to the contrary, they want to finalize this immunity from auditing, which I don't see how they can do that. And I think that can be reversed. So I think he's going to, he has a checklist. He has the Trump checklist. He's going to go down it. Right. Would you apply for the anti-weaponization fund? Well, I don't think I'd be eligible

under their definition. Oh, but I would, you know, certainly, you know, consider it if they're going to take care of, you know, the the crazies on the right who tried to upset our election and we're beating police officers, which is absolutely disgraceful. So do you, but do you do you think he'll

“drop this? There's only a limited time he has. I think they're waiting to see what happens in the”

midterm. I think a lot of this will wait till after the midterms. And I think it's going to be likely that Trump is even more out of control after the midterms. And let's, let's assume, from my perspective, the best happens. We take back the house. We take back the Senate. He's not going to work with them. He's going to do everything he can to undermine them. He's, he's going to instruct people to work from not to respond to inquiries or even

subpoenas. He's going to be in a big standoff with the Congress. And he's going to be using executive orders and whatever power he has from the presidency to pursue his agenda. I think he'll be partnering a lot more corrupt people. You know, you look at the list of the burdens that he's given. It's a total transactional exchange. You, or somebody on your behalf, give us me money. I don't care if you've cheated, you know, elderly people in nursing homes,

dollars in compensation. I'm going to take the money and just erase that. And I think a Democrat

“can run against some of those patterns. Most people have no idea what he has done. He's given out.”

Yeah. And what he's taken for it. I mean, the amount of money that he's taken for it. Right. No, it is coin operator. It is coin operator. It is coin operator. It is coin operator. Cyber coin operator type of whatever it likes to get any money. Or you get a, you give money and you get a contract with the government. That's the other. To fix the reflecting pool. Whatever it is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I bet you could fix the

reflecting pool. Anyway, I bet I know, I know where to go to get the right people. It's true. You know a pool guy, right? I do. I know a pool guy. As we record this, but speaking of water, US and Iran are reportedly closing in on an interim agreement to reopen the state of

“Hormuz. I think I feel like it's groundhog day here. We've heard that before similar deals in”

arrangements of a made, only to collapse when attacks resume. Trump said Tuesday night that a lot of progress has been made though that came a day after he warned Iran to face decapitation. If it failed to reach a deal, which he said before, he was going to fall in the back to last Sunday or whatever. We're now in the six months of this war that was supposed to last for a couple of weeks. Do you talk a little bit about this? And I'm going to make you repeat something

I've had to repeat several times. What do you think is happening here and do you have any confidence in this latest deal? Well, I don't have any confidence that it's a good deal, but it may be the best deal Trump can get because he doesn't really understand. I mean, he approved of a ceasefire agreement a few months ago that was a terrible deal for the United States and the region and international shipping and the list goes on. So he really doesn't understand what is happening

and what the stakes can be. So as I understand this latest attempt at a deal, it would result in fees being charged to at least some category of container ships going through the

straight-up or moose. It would be a service fee. Now that has never been applied prior to this

ill-conceived war that Trump embarked on. So that's a definite loss. The losses that what used to be free, free navigation, a commercial sea lane that was open to everybody is now going to be an effect taxed by Oman and Iran. That's the first loss. Second loss is, Iran still has ballistic missiles. It still is producing deadly drones. It is still a tacking shipping and it is still encouraging at least its proxy the hooties to attack and they

went so far as literally to attack a ship in Egyptian waters. So what happened to the destruction of their ability to launch ballistic missile to launch deadly drones? That's a third loss. The leadership, yeah, he got rid of the people who were at the top but the infrastructure prevail.

So you now have probably a more militaristic government structure that the Iranian Revolutionary

Guard Corps dominates and the clerics have been somewhat weakened but are still useful to keep

“the regime in place. So that's a third loss. And I think the fourth loss is that a lot of our allies”

have watched this in total confusion. I mean, the lack of strategy, the lack of effective implementation, the lack of results that were trumpeted as what was going to be achieved and people are going to not just start. They have started hedging their bets. I mean, how are you going to look at the United States? At least so long as Trump is there with any kind of confidence at all. So I think it's a major loss, not just for Trump, sadly, but for the United States.

So what would two things? If he called you and said, Hillary, I want to get in here and fix this for me. What would you do? And secondly, you said something, you said Putin's in it in a way that

Netanyahu's in it in a way. It's called the domain of loss. So let me let me talk about that first

and then I'll answer the question about if he were to call me or, you know, somebody were to ask me what to do that had any authority. So the domain of loss is a psychological concept and it applies to human behavior. When you think you're losing and this is why casinos make so much money and

until something happens that you either run out of money or you are kicked out of the casino

because you can't pay your debts, whatever it might be. Well, the domain of loss is a concept that applies much more generally to our behaviors. And for leaders, it's the description of how they double down on losing hands. So in today's world, Putin is doubling down. He's going to inflict as much punishment as he can on Ukraine because they won't quit. They won't, you know, lie down and die the way that he wants them to. Trump is going to continue to, you know,

rant and rave. He's going to go after his enemies. He's doubling, he keeps threatening, doubled down on Iran. Maybe we'll get out of this. Maybe we won't. And the same thing with Netanyahu. I mean, he's in the domain of loss. So he has to keep, you know, fighting in order to preserve his political in his mind, his political chances. And it's a, it's a psychological description of behavior that I have found very useful. So let's say somebody called us, I had to get out of this.

“Well, I think you have to broaden the decision makers. One of the problems with Trump is he has a”

very narrow band of people that he relies on to negotiate everything. And, you know, after a while, that just doesn't work. I mean, even if they were the most accomplished negotiators, diplomats, whatever, you know, it's the same people you're sending everywhere. It just doesn't make the impact. And it doesn't have the staying power that patient diplomacy requires. So who has the most to gain from getting the straight open, getting this war over? Well, obviously,

the Gulf region does. But so does India and so does China and so does Japan. And, you know, people who depend upon oil that easy they're coming from Iran or coming from the region that needs to go through the straight of Formus. And I would have them be playing a very active role

in, you know, basically persuading the Iranians to back down from charging fees, which is only

going to make their costs go up as oil is transported to them. I would be looking for ways to try to get them personally engaged with the Gulf so that the Gulf Arabs would be similarly sending that message, you know, why are you raising all of our costs? You know, this is not good for us. It may be in the short term, you know, a tactic, but it's not going to be a long-term strategy. So it would be to expand the base of people that are interacting with Iran and to make it clear

that Iran has some, you know, stake in getting this over, getting the straight open and being,

“you know, open to negotiations on its nuclear program, which I think is going to be extremely”

hard. You know, I told you once, Cara, I started the nuclear negotiations back in 2011. After we got a security council resolution that imposed global sanctions on Iran,

which had never happened before. And then, you know, I worked with the Gulf, particularly with Oman,

which is now a major player in what happens going forward. And we began secret negotiations, very small group of Americans and Iranians to test whether they would be willing to negotiate seriously about their nuclear program. And, you know, eventually we ended up with an agreement. And, you know, people say, oh, it didn't go far enough. It's hard. You know, doing negotiations is hard. And we see the alternative. We've tried to bomb their nuclear program out of existence.

We haven't decapitated them. We have not, you know, we've decapitated, but we haven't ended the regime or its ambitions. Right. And it continues to be so.

“Would you, what do you think his next move will be? I think it depends upon his mood. I mean,”

he is the most impulsive, moodiest president. It depends upon how he's feeling, how he's being treated, what is being said about him. You know, the Iranians have played him sadly, very effectively, because every time he says, there's an agreement, they say, we're not negotiating. We don't know what you're talking about. Right. Yeah. They fuck with him. So if he can be quiet and try to figure out how to get a better deal than it seems like the one that is being offered

could be, maybe he can get himself out of this in, you know, a couple of weeks. Otherwise, it's going to be a ping-pong game. You know, he's going to get upset. He's going to attack. And we're running out of munitions. We're running out of missiles. And one of the great tragedies of this

crane to defend itself against Russia. They run out of Patriot missiles. They can't defend against Russia's missiles. Putin is, you know, just angry and determined to just beat them into submission kill as many civilians as possible. It's not going to break the Ukrainians, but it's unnecessary terrible cost of human life. So where we could have had a win, where we could have had a win there. Yeah. Literally, we could have helped the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian war

by maybe helping them defend themselves. And he would have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

“I think, you know, I'm the one, I said this months ago. I said, if he got an honorable”

peace with Ukraine, they don't have to give up any property, they can go back to running their country. I nominate him for the peace prize. But he's more interested in his relationship with Putin. I don't know all the reasons for that. But, you know, he wants Putin's favor even more than he wants a Nobel Peace Prize. You nominate him. Can you tell? I don't know if you're willing

to tell this story, but that picture of you and Obama laughing, which is the second meme that's

taken off. What precisely were you telling him right then when you were laughing for people that is so funny? Well, I was sitting behind him at the opening of their, you know, very impressive Obama presidential center in Chicago. And I hope people get to go visit and come visit our presidential center. I mean, presidential centers really try to tell the history that Trump and others

“don't want you to hear. So we were sitting there. I was sitting behind him and Michelle Obama was”

giving this incredibly clever speech. Touting all of Barack's many accomplishments. And then, you know, she got to and, of course, you received a Nobel Peace Prize. And I burst in a laughter. He started to giggle. I poked him in the back and I said, oh my god, I am sure Trump is watching this. He thinks he's now in the third circle of hell. I mean, the way that he, she just tweaked him about the Nobel Peace Prize. And he goes, yeah, I hope he was. It was great. It's the two of you had that moment.

Do you like your little meme, your little Obama? I do. I do. I mean, it's fun for me because, you know,

I never know what might become a meme. I'm just out there living my life and all of a sudden,

there's a meme. But the first meme was with me in sunglasses, looking at my blackberry. The thing, a hundred years ago, like fuck you. That was not on a plane. Yeah. And two young men did that meme. And I thought it was so funny. I invited them to the state department so that I could meet them. So we could take a picture. I said, here, we'll have a real picture. So yeah, I get a kick out of it. And you get a lot of memes. I have a lot of memes. Yeah. Some of the memes are not so good. But, you know,

it's kind of, it's kind of goes with, you know, the life that I lead. I like the one of Trump looming behind you means. Oh, my God. That was so bizarre. You know, people still talk to me about that. I mean, it was disturbing. I wish you had turned around and said, what are you doing? Yeah, you know, I thought about that a hundred thousand times as you're my guess. And I was thinking about it in real time, because I mean, he's looming over man and he's tall. People are like, it's tall and he's

bulky and, you know, he's got a big, you know, physical presence. And so I'm thinking to myself,

“as I'm also trying to answer questions, I'm thinking, okay, if I turn on him and say, what are you doing?”

Or back off, does that look like I can't handle him? Does that look like I am rattle? Does that look like I, you know, a woman who shouldn't be in the oval office? Yeah. If I ignore it, how does that, you know, approach, how do people feel that that is communicating? So I ignored it. I mean, that was what I eventually decided to do, because I didn't want to look either like I was being made to be nervous. I think he was trying to actually provoke something out of me. Yeah,

he was. Yeah. He was. And I wasn't going to give him that, but in retrospect, there could have been some, you know, great good stuff. Yeah. Good pushbacks. What the fucking creep. Yeah,

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“getting enough attention? I think it's how we're going to govern AI. I mean, there's a tension”

being given to a carrot, but there's no real action. You know, this government, other governments are ringing their hands. They know that we're heading into a totally unknown world. If I were able to wave a magic wand, I would be having literally a huge diplomatic effort with experts and, you know, really, other people from different parts of the economy besides AI,

literally working on treaties and covenants and rules and standards and basically

bring the world together against, you know, the tech companies because, you know, there's no way to deal with what is coming at us unless we have some kind of global response. And that's just not happening. I mean, there are conversations, you know, CEOs were in Washington yesterday talking to Trump, but, you know, he wants to take pieces of their equity. He doesn't want to govern in any effective way about what they're producing other than things that might be totally scary to national

security. But I just feel like there needs to be some global effort to try to get ahead of this

“insofar as possible insofar, especially this is the story. I think data centers are the proxy”

politically. I do see people's worries about it. Can you blame people? I mean, he's big, hulking concrete buildings that make all kinds of noise and suck up water and get put onto your grid and maybe raise your prices. I mean, these questions need to be looked at. I mean, I was proving of Kathy Huckle when she, you know, put on a moratorium. Let's figure out what this means before just, you know, Willie Nillie going ahead. So I think people's instincts who are showing up at

city council and county commissions and all kinds of political forums to say, no, we don't want this or at least tell us what we're getting and how to make sure that it's not going to be harmful. I think I think people have a good instinct about this. Yeah, a mayor of Lansing was telling he had a good deal and the people wouldn't accept it because they're so angry at it. You know, you can't even do a good deal. It was. Yeah. I mean, we don't really, does the mayor of Lansing really

know what a good deal is? Wouldn't it be good if we took a hard look at our very tricky grid and said,

“here are things you have to do in order to buttress the grid? I mean, yeah. Yeah. So a good deal”

it's bigger. It's bigger. Local people shouldn't be stuck with it. It's too big. It's too big and the issues are national and even global. Yeah, absolutely. I yelled at Tony Blinken at a dinner many years ago saying we have to have a global. I understand it. I'm just not a global, right? The global. I said it's global. It's a global issue. Yeah. All right. Moving on, what are the most

three most important qualities that democratic presidential candidates needs to have in 2020?

That he or she can win the electoral college. That is the only quality and because we don't know what's going to appeal to the electorate. Will the Democratic primary voters want a relief after Trump, a counterpoint to Trump? Will they want a fighter? Somebody who is just,

is now a terrible rumble. It's totally unpredictable. But then you've got to be able to win and it's from my personal experience. You don't that doesn't mean getting more votes. It means when in the electoral college and that is hard for Democrats. And it's something that a lot of Democratic primary voters are understandably not thinking about. You know, I'm going to vote for who I like. I'm going to vote for who's expressing my anger. I'm going to vote for, you know, the

person that, you know, I think can be the best fighter. All of that's great. But somewhere in the back here, my new niece can this person win the electoral college. And at the end of the day,

“if we're going to win, that's what matters. That's what matters. That's all that matters. It's”

only a moment or a woman or no or no. But I don't think we should be preemptively just qualifying anybody. Let everybody get out and compete and see who emerges. And I hope it's somebody who can be a good president, not just win. But can also going into office be prepared. Like we were talking about earlier. Clean up, fix things. You know, there's going to be so much

to fix. I mean, first of all, get rid of all of the holdovers. Do not let anybody hang around in

some small office somewhere who can literally subvert your program. And you don't even know that person's there. And I will predict that, you know, Trump and his minions are going to try to, you know, people. They're going to try to move people from political appointments to so-called civil service appointments, although they're trying to destroy the civil service. So people are going to have to be really searching to make sure that they are not going to be literally subverted from

within the government. That's a really good point. That's a really small point. Is there very quickly, is there any Republican candidate you're looking at? Do you think it's trouble? No. I mean,

“obviously everybody's talking about, you know, bands and Rubio, I don't know, but I think there'll”

be a lot of Republicans running. The real question is, what will Trump do to try to hold on to power? Will he stay? You know, he, he, when he goes around putting that, you know, third term

hat on, you always have to take Trump at his tail. You know, this is a tail. He would love to serve

a third term. Or at least he'd love to have the power of a third term if he can install somebody as the, you know, that's a good point. President that he controls. And so who's he going to pick? Who's he going to be behind? And is he looking for an opportunity to try to upend that election? You know, he's active like he didn't care about the midterms, but he has $400 million sitting in a super PAC. Right. And he's got his buddies like Elon and others have said,

they're going to spend whatever it takes to try to prevent the Democrats from winning in the midterm. So is he going to be very active, spend a lot of money to try to prevent the Democrats from winning,

or keep their margin and a very, you know, small number? And then just basically do everything

you can't undermine them. Is he going to want the contrast of a Democratic Congress that he can play off against? I mean, I don't know what their game theory is about the upcoming elections, but I do know he doesn't want to give up power. So what is he going to do? Is it a proxy? Is it him? Does he figure out some bizarre way to get Todd blanch the attorney general to side with him? The five of the Supreme Court justices that are, you know, movement conservatives

decide with him who knows? But I think we have to watch all of that. Well, that means, you know,

“Obama can run again. Dilken. Well, that's what we've been joking. We say, okay, so Obama can”

go for a third term. I was going to go for a third term. I mean, you know, okay, if you're going to go for third terms, let's look at everybody who's eligible. Yeah, it's too. I'll buy he would like lose his mind. He would lose his mind, although it would be amusing in a different universe. All right, we're going to do a few rapid-fire questions for you that are more fun for you. All right, what TV show are you watching? Right. Well, I'm about to watch the new season of Ted Lasso. So I love

Ted Lasso. And Jason Sedakas and Hannah Wattington and Wattington. It's a Wattington Ham. Right. And cast members were at the Liberty Game when I was there because this season, he is convinced to coach a woman's a woman's team. So I am, yeah, really excited about, I think it starts tonight or tomorrow. I mean, it's going to be a lot of fun. And we need, we need some, you know, some positive good feeling going on again. Yeah. He's there a

lot, Jason. I see him in two of them at the Liberty Game. Yeah, he's got a great conversation with them.

Tyler reminds me of you, Hillary. I haven't. No, but she is amazing. I really, I like he's a

“tall drink of water. Yes, she is a tall drink of water, but she is so much fun. She has a great”

sense of humor. What writer died? Okay. I got writer died. I'm writing it down. Writer died. You've loved it. It's so funny. I finished it last night. All right. You're the grandmother of three. What are your grandkids call you and what's your favorite thing you do with them? I see you're wearing a necklace with your granddaughter's name, actually. Yeah, well, I also have my grandsons. I'll three of them are on this this little necklace. They call me grandma and I just like doing anything

with them. I like, you know, hanging out with them. I like swimming. I like hiking. I like watching funny television shows with them or whatever they're interested in. I like reading with them. I mean, literally anytime I get to spend with them is, you know, just a delight for me. It is the only experience in life that is not overrated. It is really worth waiting for. Do they know who you are?

“Do they know? Do they have a sense of who you are? I think, you know, they, they, I remember”

my grandson found a book in his school library that was about me. One of these little paperback books about my life and he checked it out and he brought it home and he said, you have a book about you. So I think, I think they know that their grandfather was president. I think they know, you know, that I was in, you know, a senator and secretary of state. I'm not sure they fully grasp it, but they find it, you know, somewhat confounding. Like, how, how, when did this happen to you?

What did you do? Right. Absolutely. So Bowen Yang is the latest start to step into the role of Mary Todd Lincoln speaking of. He's been good at that. Yeah. Oh, Mary. If asked, would you serve? No. I'll do. No. Yeah. Okay. I mean, the amount of physical comedy that Mary does, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I have to work out for a year in order to get credit. You look good, by the way.

“But I always play, play myself on TV and movies, but you've had a lot of people portray you”

over the years. What was your favorite Hillary Clinton? I really don't have one, you know,

because I try not to watch them. So I've never seen anybody portray me. No. So you don't have

a favorite. I guess it would be Kate McKinnon, right? Because you did appear real. Well, you know, to be, I was thinking of the more dramatic presentation. I loved, I loved Kate McKinnon. I, I, I love her as a person. And I thought she did a great job as me. So you don't watch any of the other Hillary Clinton. So I couldn't do this. No. I don't think, one of the Murdox told me he didn't watch succession. I didn't believe him. I didn't believe him. I bet they did. Or else they had somebody

watch and summarize it for them. He doesn't watch any of that. There's a lot I've watched all your Hillary Clinton. Well, so who's your favorite Hillary Clinton? Emma Thompson. It's not my favorite movie, but it's a lot of time. It's a lot of traffic actors. Yeah. I would say she did a good job. She's sort of issued. Is that some, I'll put that on the list for, you know, I'll watch it. I'll watch it in the next decade of my life. Can I watch it with you? No, you are. We're getting out. I like popcorn. A little bit of butter.

It's too much. Let's go with Kate McKinnon on that one. All right. Madam Secretary, one more quick break. We'll be back for predictions. Join us for the next episode of D&V's Maritime Impact Podcast. This time I speak with Dean Mees Shore power expert, Hilde Burstab, about how Shore power is shifting from a local emission solution to a strategic priority for ship owners. What are the biggest barriers to adoption and what needs to happen next? To get the answers, search for

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Presidential races are always messy. But 2028 is shaping up to be our messiest presidential campaign

yet. There are a ton of names that are rumored to be thinking about throwing their hat in the ring.

So this week on America actually, I wanted to hold a little fantasy trap. Of course,

we got to have ALC on the list and stud George Clooney. And to do that, I wanted to invite two of the messiest people. I know. Vox journalist and podcast host Cara Swisher. Let me tell you. Uh-huh. He is the charm of a cybercrack. And independent journalist and political commentator, Don Lemon. This could go really fast, because I got boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm sure Cara's the same way.

I'm a stead herrington. And this is America actually. Catch us every Saturday on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, we're back. Do you have a prediction for us? Yes, I do predict that we will take back the house. I predict that even with all of the obstacles. And I predict we have a

slightly better than 50 50 chance to take back the Senate, even with all of the obstacles.

All right. That's a good prediction. Yeah. I'm going to make a very brief prediction. David Ellison wrote it up in the New York Times saying democratic state agencies are fighting in the court because of false perception on his politics. I don't really care. I don't like the essay very much. But the anti-trust trial is and what he wanted to start in November,

“Paramount did the judge set for March. I think there's going to be a settlement.”

There has to be this, this is economic. Sorry to get economic. What do you think will be in the settlement? Do you have any thoughts? I don't know. I don't know. It depends on, I think, Bonta's, Rob Bonta's played this right away. And it'll probably be Governor California at some point. I mean, I think he thinks he's done. He's been a good attorney general. I think I like him. I think he surprised them. I thought they were arrogant. And I think I don't know. Maybe

spinning off the cable networks, spinning off CNN. It's hard because if they get rid of CNN, there's a big, they make a lot of money from CNN right now. Really? They make money from CNN.

They do $700 million dollars. It's a possible. So they need the money because of the $880 billion

in debt. It's a real financial, even as people as rich as the Allison, they're going to have to give up a lot of money to own something that they may not want to own. So you think there'll be a settlement

“between now and the start of a trial in March. Yeah, wouldn't you? You're a lawyer. Well, I think”

doesn't he have a breakup fee or a delay for you? Yeah, there's a delay fee and a breakup fee. Yeah, it's a delay fee. I think the delay fee starts in October. So I mean, he's going to be paying a lot of money because he can't close the deal. So there may be economic reasons. Yeah, it's $1.2 billion by the trial itself, and then there's a $7 billion or a good fee. But that's not a lot of money to them. But it is. It is a lot of money given the Oracle

stock is declined rather specifically to make it as you know, to an AI shake out. So we'll see. That's I think they're going to have to settle. Yeah. Well, I am worried about the AI, you know, shake up. I'm worried about the debt. I'm worried about all of that, which is kind of why I want to see some legitimate effort taken just kind of figure out how to normalize or regularize this market people to like it because the polling is terrible. Yeah. So people are scared. You know,

they're scared. They're going to lose their jobs. They're they're scared that it's going to take over the world. I mean, so either people are just going to live with this fear and we're going to just go full speed ahead and to whatever the future is or we're going to try to at least have a

“process that might make a difference. That's what I'm full. Yeah, there could be a real stock decline,”

which will hurt everybody. Yeah. And of course, probably drop more than anybody if you think about it, because he sort of put his whole lot in with AI in a way that feels corrupt. I guess. Well, I think, you know, you mentioned the data centers and one of the candidates, well, my friend, you know, Sherrod Brown is running in Ohio. He's now calling his opponent the face of data centers in Ohio. Yeah, of course he's been all in on data centers. So the political issues are going to get played

out one way or the other. But at the end of the day, we still need some kind of governance mechanism, some kind of, you know, that is correct. Evaluation of the upsides and downsides, some restraint on what they can and should do or not. So that's my whole such common sense. Hillary Clinton. Oh, I know I'm so out of my, you know, I'm so old-fashioned. I mean, truly, really, that I'm just a walking anachronism, you know, believing all of these things that

I still think would work if people actually did attention. Yeah. Well, Hillary, it's time for you to start to speak up more. Yeah, as you know, I think that anyway, um, we all need all the good ideas we can get in this country going. Yeah. Well, we're both going to have to get out there and and talk as much common sense as we can. No one's putting no one's putting Hillary in the corner. I'm not me. No way. Anyway, you've been wonderful. I really appreciate it. I just want to

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