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Let's get to the news. Let's not. Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine. The Vox Media Podcast Network.

I'm Caris Wisher. And I'm Skack Alley. How you doing, Scott? I'm tired.

I take the red eye back from Mexico.

Mm-hmm. But fortunately, the infrastructure is so superior. The airport is in Mexico now. Talk about three minutes to get. And I'm not exaggerating.

I agree. I texted my assistant.

“Check it through the airport early and she said, no, no, not to where it's Mexico.”

I'm like, Jesus Christ, how far have we fallen? It's really weird. I have to tell you, I'm so glad I'm not traveling. This way we traveled a lot last week for South by Southwest. And it was quite fine.

It even though it was sort of building the idea. It was building in these airports. We'll talk about it. But I am so happy. I'm not traveling.

And it seems like airports. It's like lines, delays, crashes, and ice.

Like the end, of course, plain riding was never the most fun thing in the world.

Um, did you have a good time in Mexico with your friends? I love when you do that. Yeah, I go every year with the same guys. And because we, because one of us past, one of us past, we now feel as if, in a weird way, now we almost feel a weird obligation to go every year.

Um, but we love, I love it down there. I can't stand the catastrophizing or demonization. Whatever the term is of Mexico, I think it's a fantastic place to vacation. I think the food is incredible. I love the weather.

I love the people. What did you learn something fresh from your friends? Did you come to a conclusion? Like did you have a moment? A hug?

A cuddle? One of my friends, Adam. I mean, there's a couple things. As you get older as a guy friends, you are very competitive early on. It's sort of you get together for kind of a non-serious of controlled boasting.

“Trying to show how well your life is going.”

Yeah. And get drunk and be more outrageous than the other. And then as you get older, you do sort of pivot to really enjoying and celebrating each other's achievements. But I'm now at the stage where, I mean, just last year, there's this great gym called Jungle Gym and Tulum and me and my friend Adam,

and I'm going to go still to go to the gym together. Now me and Adam get up early because we can't sleep. And we take a long walk. Oh, yeah, because he's getting his knee replaced. I mean, things are changed.

Yeah. Yeah. You do become low. And men need to do that. I think it's really, you know what I did last night.

What'd you do? Majon. Oh, that's great. My mom just went Majon. Yeah.

Well, it's the thing now. It's the hot thing in case you're interested in. Are you going on that? You know what? It was a Majon lesson.

I got it from my school auction and I invited 16 people at friends who didn't know each other, which was really good. And we had a teacher there at my school. And we little snacks, the wine, the beer, and we learned American Majon. There's two different kinds.

I happened to like the Chinese monk better for various reasons. But it was fun. And I have to say everyone was thrilled afterwards because it was interaction, brain work, some wine, and learning. And you know, these were all different.

I had different ages of people too. Was it all women's?

It was men and women. And it was fun. Okay. Hold on. Any straight men?

Yes. I don't believe you. Yes. No.

There was an oil trader there.

Let me just tell you. Yeah. Oil trader. Yeah. He was definitely straight.

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Yeah. It is. Everyone's playing it. It's challenging. It's interesting.

It's a mind fuck of a game because you really have to think. And it's also tactile. The noise of the clickety tiles and everything is very satisfying. And it's it's it's about strategy and cooperation and non cooperation. Anyway, it's a great game.

Especially we played. You know, Sean, when we're going to win, we played Majon. Oh, no wait. We bought Molly from a woman in the men's bathroom. Very similar.

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“But of course, I'm that overbearing parent and my son at the age of 10 or 11 wanted”

to walk to his friends on by himself in Florida. And of course, his mom made me follow him stealthy in our car. So I'm following him trying not to get caught. And I park. And immediately, fucking neighborhood control these two 90-year-olds come out.

What are you doing here? And I'm like, I'm stalking. I'm like, don't worry. I'm stalking my son. I'm stalking teenage woman.

I said, I'm following that 10-year-old boy, which did not come out. Right. I did that. I did that.

My mother took my kids for the first time.

I followed her on the street. And you're like, I thought you lose some.

Maybe she didn't see me.

And then he'd go around a corner of the floor.

Yeah. He probably knew. Now we know. Anyway, we have to get to the news. Two pilots are dead after an air-candidat plane and a fire truck collided at

LaGuardia Airport on Sunday evening. There's stoppages at Newark everywhere. As we record this, LaGuardia is closed. The accident comes as airports chaos across the country. Not just TSA lines.

Due to a DHS shutdown. Because they're not paying the TSA security people. The Trump administration is now sending ice agents into airports. They can't. We're masks.

Because there's no criminals, apparently. Border control. ZAR. Tom Homan says ice will be there to help move these lines long.

“I think he was told about it in a true social.”

He had to do something about this poor, feckless guy. It's like, oh, God.

Trump just announced if ice isn't enough to help the airports.

He'll bring in the National Guard. TSA workers have been calling in sick and record numbers. And more than four officers have outright quit since the shutdown began in February. They're not being paid. There was just a report that there was an agreement between John Thun and the Democrats,

which Trump rejected. This is fully in Trump's. This chaos is Trump's chaos. He's trying to send ice to do this. Elon Musk as usual because he can't, you know, because he's a narcissistic prick.

Hasn't served himself into this offering to pay TSA salaries during the shutdown. This is not how we want to fund government. President Trump says that it's, it's the Democrats fault. It's clearly chaos is follows him wherever he goes and you won't do any deal. Because the Democrats want to put strictures on some ice activities, which seems appropriate.

And airports suck for people. You're seeing videos after video after video of the lines, the chaos. The shutdowns, the lack of security, the possibility of accidents everywhere. You go any thoughts? Another attack on the middle class is that probably the most obvious investment in the middle class

is investments in infrastructure. Because when people can get to work, when people have more opportunities, when people can spend more time with their families,

“and people have an absence of stress when they can take their kids to Disneyland.”

And, you know, that's that's a creative to the prosperity of the life. And a fairly decent metric for the progress of a civilisation and how much it cares about its middle class is its investments in infrastructure. And when you see this type of political warfare breaking out,

I mean, here's what's happened.

It doesn't, the 1% that the controls our government now has their own infrastructure. They do. I mean, they're own transportation and their own plans. They're on security and they're on police force. If you just give a little bit of money away, you can get, you know,

you're on practically your own stay-in-government. So, I'm not exaggerating. I go to the Cancun airport. You know, I buy a, you know, whatever I bought some. Yeah, I bought a modello, especially all, and there was no security line.

And I thought, oh, I have to come to Mexico for investment in the middle class. Anyways, I find the whole thing incredibly discouraging typically before our podcast. I do 30 seconds of research in this one. I just couldn't do it. It just couldn't do it.

Yeah, well, it's not a very good look. Who do you look? I hate to say who looks better here. But I think this is one of these visceral things. The way the attacks on Minneapolis were,

this is a visceral thing that goes all over the world. It's a very comfortable, they blame government in general. I think they blame Trump. I think chaos follows this guy. And it looks like there's very clear reports.

The Republicans tried to settle it, and he refused, he's refusing. He refuses to give up. Well, that's, but see, that's the problem.

“If you want to, if you want to get air traffic controllers and TSA pad,”

it's pretty easy. Just cancel all, immediately past legislation. That grounds all tail numbers that are private plans. Private plans have their own special type of tail number. And all of a sudden that Prince are going to come through the constipation of the legislative process,

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nothing else. By the way, he's been very busy this week, besides offering to pay TSA, he's got a shut up. I felt like that this week, he's busy keeping his hands in politics, he's been fixated on advocating for the passage of the Save America Act, a strict voter ID bill attacking send majority of John Thun in the process, even though there's very little evidence.

By the way, the New York Times is just outright saying that there is any voter fraud in these areas, or examples of it. He's still holding influence in Ukraine by the way, in a positive way, having cut off Russian forces, Starlink Internet access last month, that's because they were getting them through the black market, the Russian forces using Starlink, and he cut them off.

Very good job, Elon. Let's give you kudos for that. And over at his other business, Tesla's semi-trucks are finally here actually winning over truck drivers. It looks like a pretty good product, and Tesla says Tesla's SpaceX will launch terror-fab

chip project in Austin because semiconductor manufacturers aren't making chips fast enough. That's not a surprise. I think everyone's doing that. Everyone's going to be doing that, but sort of, it's a mixed bag healer. This jury trial will see, he'll probably like exhaust them with appeal after appeal.

But the jury didn't like what they heard, how he behaved, and he still has never paid for

his misbehavior when it comes to the SEC and others.

“He tends to win or get off, and he thoughts on that, or any of these topics?”

The definition of "markamant impulation" is what he engaged in. If I were on a board, and I went out and set falsely on Twitter, as a board member with insider information, we have funding secured to take this company private at a 40% premium market, and the stock ground up, and then it ended up not to be true, and all the people who bought those shares in an elevated price.

I think I'd be in jail. I know I could never serve all of our directors, but here's the problem, I think he's going to be found guilty. I think it's going to be fine $2 billion, and it doesn't fucking matter, and the right answer is just...

He was found guilty, let's... the damages, and it's not guilty, but he'll appeal it, right? He's appealing. It's liable, not guilty. I think... excuse me, because it's a civil case, it's liable, thank you. But here's the unfortunate thing, it doesn't fucking matter to him, and it's not a

point of adjust to system, is not only punishment, but it's to create incentives, so people don't do things again, and not only criminally, but in civil litigation, and what we need to move to is what they're proposing with a wealth tax, and that is the whole point of a wealth tax is we're going to take a percentage of your wealth. And now I'm against wealth tax, tasks not theoretically, or philosophically, but practically

they just don't work, but we need to move to some sort of proportionate civil liability fines, and that is the following.

It's not a $2 billion fine, it should be 20% of your net worth.

And that is, if you commit this type of mark manipulation that where people lose faith in the markets, you don't own $2 billion, you owe 20% of your net worth.

“Otherwise, what is the incentive not to do this again?”

Yeah. Right. And the same thing should happen when meta is found guilty of creating addictive products, and so is alphabet. It shouldn't be.

It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be a billion dollar fine. It should be 10% of the market capitalization. Yeah. But it won't be.

So what's good, like here, the jury's that it's interesting, it wasn't a judge, they decided to do it jury trust. So jurors do not like this guy, obviously. And he's very clearly not a sympathetic character. He's not a sympathetic character anymore, and he has gotten off on the pedo thing.

He got off on the 420 thing. He got off on funding security. He's gotten off over and over again, and would he either wears people down or continues to attack, right, when he lost in court to the center for countering digital hate, he went back again, or he pushed the government into bothering the person who founded it.

I mean, this is the thing, is he just keeps on coming, and like this fixation on the save act, which is evidence free, that there's issues that they're trying to solve here. And at the same time, here he is doing this kind of cool technology in Ukraine, or the

But I wish you would just do that.

Right. You know what I mean? I mean, I was going to say it's called pivot, but there could be a podcast, it's called Muskie Creates, so much news. I mean, the guy is a big thinker and creates a lot of news.

Look, I am super excited about the prospect.

“I'm anything that helps, is it brave people of Ukraine in their army defend against Russia?”

And push back on it, I applaud, I applaud Elon for doing this. I'm thrilled about it at the same time, it represents something much scarier. And that is, there shouldn't be one individual that has the ability, who is unelected and not subject to any sort of, and he feels like this. I would argue to be, say if he got Molly from the lady in the bathroom, one of the most

valid criticisms of Trump's unilateral war would just one other country is he didn't even, he didn't even get any sort of advice or prove it from Congress much less to do with George Herbert Walker Bush did, and that is get a consent or get approval from the UN. He acted. Some people would argue unilaterally.

Now a lot of people would say, he didn't act unilaterally, he got 79 million votes. Okay, Musk is changing the face of war, fortunately for what I think is in the right direction. This case. But should, that's right, but should one man be able to create so much wealth and technical mastery that he or she can change the course of civilization and war.

This is, we keep talking about the wisdom of crowds, the ignorance of the individual is really frightening. Yeah, who like that thing? And that is. Wisdom of crowding.

I just made that up. I think the Molly's kicking out.

You always do things like that.

There you go. It's just being nice to make us. We've got an argument this weekend. We did. The, it is, power corrupts and absolute power, absolutely corrupts.

And we should not have any individual that accreed so much wealth and power in technical sophistication that they can change the course of civilization. No, some people would argue that Napoleon did that, or gang is con. But these people were incredibly, they were incredibly savvy and they worked their way through power, structures and ultimately, ultimately they fell, but I am uncomfortable with

someone who is not elected by people who's not accountable to anybody who can pay his way out of or appeal his way out of any civil or possibly criminal. I mean, the Christ, I hate to go here. The only person in prison from the obscene files is a woman. So it's, it's, okay, if it should be there, I'm not arguing that.

Like, my belief is there should be other people in this else next year. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, they shut down a lot of these investigations right at the beginning. But what happens when, but what happens at Musk, all of a sudden, decides, I'm pissed off

with the left criticizing me, I'll show them. And he turns off Starlink in the middle of a ground offensive trying to push Russia, trying to push Ukraine out of, you know, I'm just telling you, it's up to the lady in the bathroom with Molly.

“That's, that's a dad kind of, that kind of summarizes it, right?”

What do you feel like today? Did he get, did he get a nice night with his lady friend or did he have a bad fight? So to a certain extent, Donald Trump in some ways, I mean, he's more dangerous. But what's more dangerous? I'm going to commence you with military or someone who commands two thirds of the world

low-earth satellites. Yeah. But I say Musk, Musk. Musk. But it's not elected by the public.

I mean, you can make the argument that, okay. And now because we chose Trump. We didn't, we didn't, but Congress, all we also believe in three parts of government. And that's agreed, but he has more legitimacy, correct. He has more of a legitimacy to make these type of decisions than Musk.

Yes, but when I first heard this, I'm like, oh, that's great.

Good for him. I even put out a thread saying, well done Elon Musk, and then I thought, fuck. But I want him to have to go to Senator Kelly, Clovis Shah, the Joint Chiefs of Staff. What should I do? He may.

And Senator Warner, you think he might have. I don't know. I don't know. He might have coordinating. Who knows?

That's a fair point. Maybe he's coordinating with the Joint Chiefs. My dad. Who knows? I suspect he's probably in.

I mean, I don't know. When I got approached many years ago by that Ukrainian defense person asking if I could call him to stop geofencing Crimea, I was astonished. And they were like, could you do that? I'm like, why is one person deciding this?

Like why is it the, I remember, that's where the, was the center of our beef at the, it was anyway. But also, I do want to say, I do think just calling balls and strikes.

“I think the, the Tesla semi-truck is a winner.”

Looks great. I think it's a winner. Looks great.

It looks good. We'll see how, how if they can roll it out. Um, agreed, agreed, it looked, I was looking, I was reading all about it this weekend. Looks fantastic. And not only that, but that is, he can make innovative things.

“That's why the guy is clearly a genius, all right.”

Stop focusing on hate, Elon, focus on the things you do that are good.

And I've always thought that ground zero, ground the most obvious autonomous, something

like 90% of the damage into our highways is trucks. You talk about a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a 10 to four, a 10 PM to four AM, it's not a great job. It's not a healthy job. So it's always felt like if there's, if there's ground zero for autonomous, I've always thought it's long haul trucking.

Yep. You should look at my interviews with the Aurora CEO, Chris Irmson, who started Google, the Google. Oh, I was going to say how is Aurora doing, but I want to go. Yeah, I don't, I'm just saying, I love all these efforts.

And I'm thrilled that the truck, I've never wanted to own a semi-truck trailer. You're not like one of those. You are absolutely not getting one never, I don't think you've ever driven me anywhere. And I don't think you're, you may have been going to a great driver. I grew up in California.

I was stuck from the agenda. I understand. I'm a great driver.

We have never, you have never driven me in a car.

Well, that, what do you want to sensitive men, so both people can be crying in the car and the parallel parking spot remains. I'm trying you, I have driven you in a car, but I don't think you've ever driven me. You're, you're a good driver. Yeah.

I know. I don't think anyone would say that. I'm of angry driver. I try not to drive as much as I can. You had to sit on two phone books.

That was a little unsettling. No, you didn't. You're big guy. You did. To see of the steering wheel.

I put you in a mini. I put you in a mini. I sit way up front. So the Trump administration has also unveiled a national speaking of control of tech mobile guards over our government, unveiled a national AI framework to replace state by

state rules. One federal standard. The framework proposes regulations like child safety rules and standards for energy use of data centers. He calls on Congress to address issues like intellectual property rights and preventing AI

systems from being used to silence or censor. Lawful political expression to just sent the administration says it wants to work with Congress to convert the framework into a bill in the coming months. I mean, I'm sorry. They are so everyone involved in the government right now is a tech industry

shell. So this is not the states have passed.

“I think 71 laws in 27 states, it is chaotic at the same time.”

The government has abrogated all power to these tech companies. So I don't think any good will come of this. Your thoughts? There needs to be federal legislation. Absolutely.

Yeah, because if California and attempt to maintain its economic growth, all of a sudden puts in place technologies that might inhibit the growth, such as, okay, you can't use AI for surveillance of Americans. I mean, the CIA has a role, essentially one of the most covert organizations in the world, which I, by the way, think is the only organization in history that can keep a secret.

They have a role, you can't, they don't kill American citizens. There needs to be, there needs to be regulation and legislation around AI and it needs to be a thoughtful discussion and then, but what I hate is just all of a sudden a race to the bottom around AI where, okay, Texas says it's a free for all and you can use it to surveil Americans or create.

I get it, it's just, our government has not, our federal government never made social media

laws. They never made privacy laws. Well, they're not making laws, but they're not doing this to create better laws. They're doing it to get everyone out of Texas West.

“To delay an office gate and to attempt to regulate, yeah, I think that's right.”

If they were doing it, they would get together with Congress and do actual laws that are in everybody's interests and that tech would be a voice of many in this thing. They don't want, let me say, this is yet another attempt to abrogate states or the only groups that are doing something somewhat effective and they shouldn't be doing it. But they have to because the government has, the federal government has lost all responsibility

for regulating what is a very frightening situation that we should all be cooperating, not just in this country, but globally around AI, safety, where it's going, who's, you know, jobs on child safety on cancer research on everything, there should be rule about surveilling citizens, et cetera, et cetera. We are not, this is not in administration, I trust to do it because everyone in a position

of power has someone else behind them who is in tech and they are all grabbing for things. Well, in 2025, seven of the largest AI companies in America, SNAP, X, Open AI, Pipe Dance, Microsoft, Alphabet and Meta, I spent over $50 million on federal lobbying. By the way, best ROI in history is not AI or CapEx, it's lobbying. And in 2025, hired 87 lobbyists, roughly one of every six members of Congress, open AI has

ramped up its lobbying spend nearly 70% from last year. What's interesting is one of the greatest brand declines in history over this, over the

Think about how excited we were about AI just 24 months ago. One, a few research pull found that Americans are five times more concerned than excited about AI. There are roughly doubly amount Americans who think AI is a fact on society will be negative than there are people who think it'll be positive.

War's brand destruction, you're right. The brand erosion in AI is historic, two-thirds of Americans think that AI will eliminate more jobs in their creates unless in a third of Americans trust AI in three quarters of Americans think AI poses a threat to humanity. Existential threat, let me just say ahead of the midterm Silicon Valley has poured $100

million into a network of packs and organizations to advocate for these strict AI regulations.

And a report from public citizen found that one in four federal lobbyists now work in AI.

“Think about why do you think they're working their kids?”

They're not to help you, they're there to help them and they have the White House captive. In any case, we'll be a great idea to do some bills, but not with this administration not in its current environment. This is the opening for a Democrat, I spoke to some, this morning running for president. And there no one on the Democratic side has been able to say we need federal AI regulation

focused on these three things. No one has been able to articulate what is needed around regulation in AI and it is a real opening for one of them because it's the technology of the day. It has created a huge amount of anxiety and no one has been able to articulate a vision for what sensible regulation that protects Americans while ensuring that our federal

breads continue to run because there really is economic value and we don't want to hamstring our best and brightest such that China gets out ahead. There are real concerns on both sides, but someone needs to thread the needle here and come out and say, "I regulation it a federal legislation focused on the following three things.

It's a big opening for a Democrat."

It is. I just did a two-hour interview at Tristan Harris. He said the exact same thing. It's a big opening. Just on.

Just on. He's so good. We've been talking for ten years about this issue. Now he was early to the, to the, I hit big tech game, he's very compelling too. You are incorrect.

He does not. He's like Kara Swisher. He does not need it. He doesn't like what they're doing with, with they've made a mess of our house. That's why I feel.

I feel shamed. I feel shamed. He's a great new documentary coming on called it, "Pakalop Demist." To AI, he's both positive and negative about it and- "Pakalop Demist."

"Pakalop Demist." It's called the AI. I don't know. Creature the lives of 30,000 people. He's a "Pakalop Demist."

He's a "Pakalop Demist." He lives in the bathroom with the woman who has Molly. "Pakalop Demist." Well, let's go on a quick break. "Pakalop Demist."

"Pakalop Demist." "Pakalop Demist." All right. All right. Let's go on a quick break.

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Broadcast station owner next star will merge with rival techno after the FCC signed off

on the $6.2 billion acquisition, creating the largest operator of TV stations in the

country. This is unprecedented. The commission has waived the rule that bars a single company from owning TV stations that reach over 39% of the US households. Guess what?

The new entity is allowing next start to own 60% near doubling. The combined company would own over 250 stations reaching over half of American households, eight states have filed emergency motions to stop the merger as usual, Brendan Carr, the bureaucratic toti, just waived it right through because they're conservative and they are, they were thanking President Trump, they're the people behind the Kimmel mass, they're

one of the people conservatives are actually split on the issue. I'm thinking it's a great thing, because it helps the conservative side, their team, the other people feel as correctly you wouldn't like it if a bunch of liberals own these like 60% of the stations.

That said, mainstream media has leaned, well, it's leaned middle-left, middle-left kind

of things. What do you think about this? Obviously, this is open, this is something, this is Rupert Murdoch's wet dream for many years ago, the ability to own things across the country, although who's watching local news at the same time.

I'll tell you, he's watching local news, really hold people and I could program local news, it's called, what stupid people did today? Two people were mugged in a parking lot at 4 a.m. this morning, or it could happen to you storing. And the weather.

Killer B, it could happen to you, it could happen to you, and the moles on your penis. It could happen to you. Are you losing here because of your drinking water? It could happen to you.

I'm torn because the idea of any one entity controlling that much information flow to a populist and disproportionately votes, it feels, feels uncomfortable at the same time.

“These companies are in structural decline, and the only way they survive is your consolidation”

and cost cutting. I was on the board, it's now time for the latest episode of Scots Week Flaxes. I was on the board of a company that was a Yellow Bay Discompany and it's one of my best investments because typically these companies, we know local stations are fucked. But they're not going to go out of business as quickly as people think.

So for example, in 1999, you could buy a block bus, everyone knew block bus was going away. But in 1999, you could buy a block bus for franchise for two times cash flow, and they did go away, but they went away 13 years later, I mean, you four or six extra money. So you can buy these things that pretty distress prices, and then you need to consolidate

the back end, back to the Yellow Bay Discompany. We knew that the Yellow Bay Dis business was going to go away. You could buy these things at two times cash flow. So we would go buy every regional Yellow Bay Discompany, quite frankly, consolidate the back end, which is Latin for layoff, everyone, but the sales people.

And then we went and bought the biggest the Yellow Bay Discompany in Canada, and then the biggest one in Australia. And it's a great business. Now to a certain extent, is that bad? Is that too much concentration of power?

So these companies are melting ice cubes. They need to consolidate. Well, they were when the Yellow Page is mattered, but go ahead, which they did kids. But it's the same thing here. These businesses are going out of business slowly.

And so I'm of two minds. I don't trust this FTC to make these decisions. I'd want to see an economist say, I'm sorry, the FTC, I'd want to see an economist issue

to do anything regarding investigative journalism at City Hall or the local courthouse, that

these guys need to consolidate, having said that, this level of concentration feels pretty unhealthy. Yeah, 60 is a lot. I think you're right. I mean, remember when we were in the tour or as I'm wondering, everyone just asked me

about CBS, and I'm like, show of hands of who's watching it. And it was like no relevant. And I thought, so we're worried about one irritating person at a station that's, I mean, a network that's declining faster than all the others, by the way, the other two are doing okay.

They're double in size, essentially. I was like, so no one's watching it. And even the strongest player is slowly dying, you know, who's doing okay.

“And they definitely throw off a lot of money, right?”

Like your Yellow Page is thing did right now. In 2017, percent of America watch the Academy Awards, you know what percentage watched it. It went down, right? Like three.

Five percent. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. And so you're sort of sitting there, you're like, okay, it's really irritating and grow task.

And at the same time of this consolidation and these people that are doing, you know, performative, you know, blow jobs, Donald Trump, which they were, you know, around Kim Olson's. There's no other thing. It's a performative blow job. Okay.

That's an oxymoron. I don't know. I'm not going to go into. I'm not going to touch that. I don't touch it.

You're like going to happen. I have a filter that says, say nothing, Scott. That'd be fair. You should say nothing. I have sex with a man, but I'm not a, don't go to the job.

Anyway, thank you for the information, because that's gross. Well, you know, Taylor Swift, like all these, but it's all the songs about men breaking

up with her, but she's never written a song about blow jobs.

Connect the dots. Connect the dots. Okay. All right. In any case, I had the most interesting money, I'm not going to go into it.

So, uh, cut. Is this shell egg, or you actually found it? No, no, I just was, I have a whole gay tail or thing called the, my gaylar play. A gaylar. It's bought a fun.

Anyway, whatever. Well, what we talking about is a blank now. Listen to Cornelia's street is all I can tell you to everybody. So, I mean, I'm going back on track. I don't, I don't think it matters, and yet it does, because these, they do have an impact

on a certain population and watching someone like my mom or other people get twisted by

“propaganda on, say, a Fox News, it does actually matter, right?”

It's really bad information that said I don't think most of these local stations, except for a very small few, do journalism anymore. So, it doesn't matter in local politics. That's right. But they don't do much journalism.

And I think they matter much. Her status. Her status, genius move. And it went about all the local news stations in swing districts.

Because basically, the dirty secret especially retail is that for 45 weeks a year, it loses

money. And for seven weeks, it just breaks into shit ton of money, basically between Thanksgiving and Christmas. The dirty secret of these local news stations in the swing districts is they lose money for 22 months.

And then for two months, the quintuple their ad rates is so and so overspend trying to, you know, trying to be the local representative. Yeah. That's where it is. Do you know the average age of a Fox viewer?

The average. 69. That's exactly right. I think that's young. And so that means that if a 40 year old accidentally turns on Fox, a 97 year old is

“also watching to get the average age of a local TV news viewer?”

78. Dad. They're dead. Anyway, all right. Scott, one more quick break.

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Let me just tell you, Project Hail Mary just brought an $80 million of the box office.

That's a record opening for Amazon. Can you see it? I did. I went on Friday night. I heard it's about friendship.

I'm sorry to interrupt you. It's about friendship between a man and rocks. It is an alien who looks like a pile of rocks. It is a wonderful movie. It is about science.

It is fun. It is, it made me, it's infectiously delightful and it deserves, I can see why I did 80 million dollars. The box office. I saw it on IMAX film.

You don't need to, really. There's some beautiful things in it and some beautiful photography, but you hardly, you could watch it. It's a wonderful. It feels like a little like a tea, a little bit.

It's got, it just is a wonderful movie. Ryan Gosling is still delightful.

“He's the kind, you need to see it because it's the kind of man you want to be.”

You would, because he's the guy that you want to be. He's sort of a reluctant hero, of course. And at the same time, it's about ingeniousness. It's about, it's the same writer of the Mart Martian, the same book and everyone, what's interesting, someone told me, people read Project Hail Mary, someone who I didn't think

read much, read both the Martian Project Hail Mary. It's a lot of plot, not great writing, but the movie, the movie has become marvelous. I think I love the Martian. It's about sort of fix it things, it's, everyone in it is great. This rock character that becomes his friend, they're trying to solve humanity's problems

together, is, you start to really love this character, it's a really great character, which is voiced by a puppeteer, I think, a very well-known puppeteer, amazing. Like, I can't believe, I first, I was like, I'm going to look at a rock character this entire time and it ended up being delightful. I got to say, it deserves, it did much better than people thought Amazon.

This is their first big hit, that is an original, and congratulations to Amazon first. I have to say, wonderful movie, again, Ryan Gosling can do anything, he can say he can dance his funny, it was great on us and now wonderful, what a movie star, but also totally

“approachable as a dude, that's why you'd like it.”

My fail, you know, there's so many obvious ones, I mean, more than nine months after

its announcements, mobile phones still hasn't launched, it never is going to launch by the

way, there are a bunch of grifters. But I think probably something I got a lot of press was President Trump's reaction to the death of Robert Mueller, former FBI director, Special Counsel and Braun Starmarine veteran, he died this weekend at the age of 81, I don't know, I don't know, I do, it's sick.

Well, former President's Bush and Obama share their tributes to him, Trump, what the other direction posting, I'm glad he's dead, you know, then Scott Pescent, that little Quizling week, week, weekling was like, oh, he was the victim here of Robert Mueller and so he should be able to say that, but it does open, it is really shocking when everyone sort of gave the left a hard time for not being unhappy that Charlie Kirk had died and

by the way, it was terrible and murderous way and nobody should be celebrating that. This was just like very typical and it sort of opens the door to when some day Trump sheds

mentally-during madness of King George moment. That's, I was like, are you, can you just

“shut the fuck up and not give us your thoughts on every awful thing that crosses your,”

you're increasingly aging brain? Yeah, I love those, but we're increasingly, it's like, when you hang out, people begin to look like their dogs, we're becoming the same person, my feel was the same time, so I'll take the other side of it, but before we get to that, I want to just talk a little bit more about blow jobs. If you're, do you think it should bother you if your spouse

who's given hundreds of blow jobs to random men or is my wife overreacting? Oh, my god. That's good. I bet you'd be good at giving blow jobs, anyway, sorry. My win. I would think you'd be better than me at it though, because all right, enough, even I have limits. I knew that would stop you. I knew even I have limits. I knew it. Okay, so I don't know how to make a clean segue here. So my, we, we, we, we talk a lot

“about what, talking about an aspirational vision from masculinity. And I think, unfortunately,”

it's been confused with volume, dominance and attention. And that's, you know, that's not strength. Cara, that's just insecurity with a ring light or a Twitter handle. And if you want an actual template for masculinity, you could do a lot worse than Robert Mueller. And this was a guy. He was a Marine of Vietnam. By the way, he volunteered. He didn't, he didn't avoid deferments. No bone spurs. Also in high school, Captain of his lacrosse,

hockey and baseball team, an amazing, physical athlete, Captain, all three teams decided he

should be the leader of that team. Marine of Vietnam, where he earned a bronze star, went on to lead the FBI for over a decade. And then later in his career, he took on one of the most politically radioactive investigations in modern history. And how did he handle it? He had, there was no three at the Atrix. There was no personal branding. There was no need to be at the center of the story. He just did the job. And before all of that, as I mentioned, a

very serious athlete in a scholar went to Princeton and get this married for over 60 years. Raising

“a family, including I believe two kids while building a life of service, that's a decent”

outline for masculinity. It's not performative outrage, no constant self promotion, but discipline, restraint and commitment. You know, to your work, your country and your family, and his posture was simple. You know, service matters more than me, the work matters more than me. And I feel like I feel like with today who we should be looking to for role models and masculinity, that's what we've lost. We've started rewarding people or men for being loud instead of being reliable

and that for being visible instead of being being credible or empathetic. And this guy was real strength. It's quiet. It's showing up. It's doing hard things. And it's not making everything about you. And so when we talk about using masculinity as a code or a guide for young men, you know, if you're trying to figure this out, what it looks like here's a filter, are you are you optimizing for attention or for service, right? Because one of them is more immediate

but the other compounds over a lifetime. And I found it so upsetting that this guy who's such an outstanding role model and such a fantastic example of what it means to be an American and what it means to be a man, that his family would have to endure that nonsense. So he'll be he'll be buried. That was the story. He'll be laid to rest with full, you know, full honors and there's few people that deserve it more. Anyways, Captain Robert Mueller, you know, United States Marine

Corps, Rest in Peace. What a wonderful example. He set for Brawl Americans and especially young men. That's my win. That's it. That's all I got. You said the fail. Okay. All right. I have one more win. Scott and I did get in a tiff this week and then we settled it and I have to tell you you acted like a man. I have to say you handled a lot of people wouldn't have called me back. We had a little tiff. I was a little snarky. You got we got mad at each other and I have to say I said to my wife I said Scott handle

like a real man. Like really we had a good talk. We worked it out. We'll always have little tiff.

It was really I was really very much happy with it. I have to say that. I said you acted like a woman really is what you did. Well, that's the less version of a man. Just happy on white lotus. We should be on white lotus. We know those people. They should make us white lotus. Hello.

Hello. Hello. Molly in the bathroom. Oh my god. Finally, Cara takes Molly and that's the

plot. What happens from there. Something's got to die. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Obviously. Anyway, and then I'll have to solve the mystery. As long as it involves for a format of blood jobs from someone, I'm willing to like the story. Yeah, solve the mystery. Anyway, we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nmag.com/pivot. Send a question for the show or call eight five five five five one pivot. Elsewhere in the Karen Scott

universe this week and on with Cara Swisher. I spoke with experts about how the Trump administration

“is dramatically expanding the immigration detention system. I think it's really important to focus”

on things that people have lost a little attention to, especially this prison system or building. Erin Rikland, Milnak, lawyer and senior fellow at the American immigration council says Steven Miller won't stop pushing for more deportations, even if the focus has been off them of late. Let's

listen to a clip. His goal is a million deportations a year. I don't think they're going to hit it,

but they're going to try to spend every penny of that funding that they can in order to reach that goal. And that means more people caught up in this rapid system, more people held in detention, more people subject to awful conditions and more people who see what's happening and say, I can't take it anymore. I just want to give up even if I could have a chance to stay in this country because I don't want to spend another day in this hellhole. So anyway just to not lose focus on

things, we tend to do that in a society right now. So I thought it was important to talk about the issue, these detention. I'm glad to do that because one of the things I was thinking about is that so many really important issues, including incarceration in this country or in the United States, are the most incarcerated country in the world, it bubbled up to be an issue where a lot of important people were talking about it and beginning to visit it and think carefully about it.

And it's been pushed down because we just have so much fucking nonsense crowding out

“everything else. Right. That's the whole point. That's what they're doing. It's a flimplamory.”

And one of the things is it's easy when it's many apples. We can see it. This stuff is hidden because they're behind this is where they want the hiddenness of it, but it gets out. And so I thought it was important to keep focused on things like this. Which is why I did the Epstein survivors and like, let's not forget. Let's not forget. Let's not forget. Anyway, it was a really good panel with a really good group of people. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot. Be sure to like

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