Jessica Tarlov: POTUS Needs Some Moral Support

I'm very excited to have one to show today. Big news, we're going to do another fundraiser live show.

“This time in Dayton, which is really close to Springfield, Ohio. You know, the proceeds are going to go to the Haitian community and”

Springfield. It's been somewhere we've been wanting to do. It's in two weeks. So, if you're bored, on September 25th, you don't have anything on your calendar. Come on, fly to Dayton. Come hang out with us. You can see, I don't know, some airplane museums. There's got to be some other stuff to do in Dayton. You're going to hang out with me. It's going to be a really good time. You go to thebolark.com/events to get tickets. Proceeds to charity for people who can't come. Well, obviously, give you an opportunity as well

to support the community after just the horrifying suicide of Pierre and just all these other stories and the videos from Mark Wayne Mullin, like shackling the Haitians who did nothing and putting them on these deportation flights back to the hell. I just we got to upset about it and felt like they had to do something. We'll be in Dayton, September 25th, bok.com/events. It also has the details for Columbia, which is goes to selling out and then

Charlotte and Atlanta in October. I'll see if we bang Sarah's book. Have I mentioned it? Sarah has a

“book. You should probably buy me that as well if you haven't. Here's what I want to rant about.”

I wrote an article yesterday for thebolark. It's something I've talked about a couple of times on the podcast and it is a woman, Mariam Thomas Sebe and her husband, Aisa and her son who have been in tournament camps in Texas for over five months now. Separate ones, husband, his and like a literal prison camp, and Mariam and her son are in Dilly, the Dilly detention center, which we've been covering here in horrible conditions. The family has done nothing.

It's literally Japanese in tournament but for Iranians. They're in this detention center because they are Iranian because Aisa's mother was one of the hostage takers in 1979, which is awful and horrible and condemnable and everything, but none of these people were even born in 1979. We are in prison, because of their bloodline. They've been in there with no accusations of crimes, no jury, no due process, poor medical treatment for months. And Mariam gets email one hour

a day and she's been emailing with me. I included some of the emails in the article and so please check it out. The headline of it is Marco Rubio's Punishing and Teenage Boy for his grandmother

sentence. The first email, Mariam wrote me was about how she wanted. She just wanted her son to

celebrate his birthday and freedom. And this is a boy that got shackled and surrounded by vans. It's a school drop-off. Friends could watch because his grandmother did something in 1979 and it's fucking unimaginable. So I wrote about it yesterday and you know Mariam first wrote for the nation, which is what drew my attention to it and much credit to the nation for covering it. But last night, I was like, I don't understand what this is going to be more attention. I feel like if I went back

in a time machine and we were chatting and it was whatever 15 years ago and we said, hey,

“in 2026 we're going to be doing internment camps for Iranians in Venezuela. I think we had”

just assumed that that would have been a pretty major news story. This is something that we are talking about in history books. One of the horrors of what our country has done, one of the darkest chapters in our country's history. I was learning about Japanese internment and the way we treated Japanese in high school, probably when I was about Mariam's son's age. And so it's like we're doing it again and it's like nobody's even covering it. I searched

school news this morning for Mariam's name and looked back through and when at first I had an

April markup about a press release where I tried to brag about how you know screaming Mary or whatever the grandmother's name is, her family, you know, he's taken away their green cards. And so at that time, there were a few articles about this, the hill wrote about it, some local places in LA, the New York Post wrote a lot, kind of waving the bloody shirt about how happy the people at the New York Post are that we are keeping this child in a prison camp. New York Post was very

excited about that. So they've written about it several times talking about how great it is. Besides that, newsweek probably is the best other article about this. They wrote something back in April. Again, April is what? Four months ago now? Five? Here's CBS article. And it's like, oh, there's one mainstream media outlet article from our friends at Barry ISIS CBS. This is April 11th, 2020, six is written by Mark Osborne. Mark writes this, United States

Isa, Mariam and their son have been detained by Isa, ahead of their deportation in the department

“said in the statement, Hashemiyah's wife both worked as professors, she goes on to talk about Isa's”

mother, and they quote, "Markel," and we talk about how they came out of visa issued in 2014, and have their lawful permanent residence. And then they go on to talk about other people related to terrorists. So we've captured, unclear how that's relevant. That was April. So like, according to this article, in CBS News in April, we're deporting them, which I would have been against. But at this point, Mariam, they want to be deported to

not not to Iran, but like they they offered to self-deport to Turkey. But we've captured them,

and we're trapping them. So we can't do that. So I don't know if I was Mark Osborne of CBS News

who wrote about this on April 11th, but how we're deporting these legal American residents. I don't know, I might be interested in doing a follow-up story on September 9th, like why are they still in an internment camp? The State Department told them that we're deporting this person because they were a danger to the country. You would think that CBS News would have some follow-up questions. What is the danger? Why are taxpayers paying thousands of dollars a day to keep them

in these kind of dusty hellscapes in Texas? When did they get access to do process? What is the rationale for this? Like why are we punishing these people because of their bloodline? You would think that that would be something that would get more attention. And yet nothing. Like there's nothing else. You just go through. And like all summer there's been nothing that she wrote in the nation, as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago. So I don't know. I know we have some journalists

to listen to the show and we have some democratic politicians or listen to the show and others. And I would think that there would be other people that would care about the fact that like the United States government is currently holding a teenage boy in a prison camp because his

“grandmother was bad because I don't know. I think a lot of us probably have some bad family members”

including Marco Rubio, his grandfather was an illegal immigrant and his brother-in-law was a cocaine dealer. So anyway, that's where we're at on this. I have a very slow-boiling simmering rage about like the lack of interest. I hate to be venting to all of you because all of you have been so good and many of you wrote to your members of Congress. The last time I raised an issue the pregnant Venezuelan woman that we had in the internment camp was trying to self-deport

luckily, finally after much hassleing and much outrage they've been allowed to be back to Venezuela.

And so that's my honest good news. And so we know these people fold. We know they folded on Oz Turk and on the caught. But the race of Oz Turk's story for good reason was a major national news story and I don't see how this is anything but even more outrageous than that given the length of their detention. So that's where I'm at on that. Go read the story, you know, call your local member of Congress or send a letter to the editor, I guess. And we'll see if

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up long been jealous of author of a new book coming out this week. I disagree winning arguments without losing friends. Another thing I could really use to work on, Jessica Tarlopp. I'm here for you. I am great. I feel like it's a little bit of the calm before the big book storm. Sarah is in the midst of it on the high seas, and I am watching with baited breath for how intense it is, but she's nailing it. There's some of the heat. She's nailing it. Go by. I've got it right

here. How do you nail it? You know, I get to support my guy. I know. I don't have my copy here, but I do have my copy. I'm going to take a picture like eating it or something to make it

“feel fun. I just use that next week. And that's what, and just like I said, about general”

city yesterday, listeners can purchase, I disagree, and not feel any betrayal of Sarah. Because it's out next week. So you guys aren't competitors on the charts, you know? It's only Sarah versus Ted Cruz. We're friends. And then Jessica and Sarah are friends. Okay. Well, maybe I want to lose some friends. We'll get to that. We'll get to the book stuff at the end. Maybe it's, it's okay to lose a friend or two. Where's the end of it? I get it. I just, I want you to feel

equipped to talk to these people if you do want to keep them in your life or invite them back in. That's what I just agree is about. I'm not trying to force you to do anything. I just want you to be

better when you get there. Yeah. All right. We'll explore the ways to do that here in a second.

We're going to do the news first. Tonight we're having a midterm. I'm editing myself. Some people are calling it the Trump of Palusa, which I like because it has lose right in the name, but they're trying to bring it as the midterm convention. It's not a convention actually. This is an important distinction. A convention is an actual thing. You know, where you have delegates, do nominate people. It's a political process by which, you know, back in the old days before unfettered democracy,

it's how we used to pick the candidates. Some of us in the pro-democracy movement had the contrarian view that there was some benefit to that. Anyway, that's either here now there. I can't possibly see how this is useful for him, but I don't know. You're kind of in the belly of the beast where I was watching Fox this morning. We get to that where they're going to try to spin it. They're in me some people on the network that will try to spin it as a positive. What is even

the possible positive outcome here? Steelman for me, what could work? If anything. You're like

“preview the five for me. What are you guys going to be talking about? What will Dana say?”

How will Dana argue that this is going to work? I don't think that Dana won. This is a

Jesse won. I think for how it's going to work. The Iotola's dead. That's always a good one now.

We only have Iotola Jr. Maybe he's gay. We hear about that a lot. That there are military has been decimated. What was Biden's idea? Biden's idea was stop in Latin as dead and GM is alive. What would be alive in there in their spinning? Iotola's dead. I don't know. Trade world of Canada is a lot. Very much alive. I want to figure out something with this straight-of-ormous. Anyway, there will be some talk of the accomplishments of Trump's second term and how the groundwork is being laid

for an economic boom that will hit. I don't know. November 1st. So it comes just in time for you to go ahead and vote a couple days later. I don't know. We're going to hear about how there is a lot

“to talk about and how dire it will be if Democrats take control. I think it is going to be much more”

about the negative messaging than it is going to be about the positive messaging. And Donald Trump has been leaning into this as he's been out on the campaign trail. He's going to go to what is it like 35 swing districts. He's taunting people with and you see the various degrees of abject terror coming across the faces of these Republicans who think I just stripped you off my website and now you're actually going to come to hang out with me. But I think it's going to be

a lot of the greatest hits that are not resonating with people right now. And it is very telling that so many Republicans are opting not to go. That obviously the tickets are not selling. I can't believe how much they want it to charge members to come. Like that money would clearly be better spent actually campaigning. And I think if you went out and asked voters, even the biggest MAGA folks, like should you spend tens of thousands of dollars on going to this or like be here

for a town hall? They probably say, "Oh, maybe you should be here for a town hall." So I don't expect

ego. And then I think it's also about the one-year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's assassination,

“which is tomorrow. And which will be very, it's very heavy-think. So I imagine because Beyoncé's”

the headliner, tomorrow night in Trump will do the closing remarks that that'll be a big focal point. I try to be fair in balance here. I will, I'll give Trump this one thing listening to what you just said. I thought he was too old to kind of go out and do the campaign. He seemed pretty, like he's kind of just walking with that hilt and he's dozing and falling asleep and maybe sharding and these meetings depending on what you look at. And he just felt like, "God, 35 states feels like a lot. It's hard to travel

in your, it's hard to travel in your 40s. It's hard to travel in your 80s. You know, it wears on you."

So he is doing that. But the interesting thing is it's funny like the conference you said

that like some of the frontline people won't be there. But Trump's a message is the opposite. He put out a bleet that was like, "We don't need people who are up 45 points as much as we love them. Like we are trying to save the stage for the candidate who are in tight race." The candidate who are in tight race is like, "No, no, opposite!" opposite. But even this midterms, and I'm not sure how comfortable you are forecasting or, you know,

what you're thinking about in terms of how the night will end up going. But candidates who should be in safe position feel concerned. And there's widespread reporting about that. You know,

people winning by double digits that are saying, "We are not equipped to handle this. We don't

have enough money. Our voters are deeply upset and distrustful of our agenda and how we've been governing." And I do think on the flip side, you know, Democrats have some real badass candidates running in these districts. And I don't think that they expected for it to be quite that uphill of a battle to save some of these seats. I just saw this this morning. It was just one example. This was last week I had Drederica Appalach who is over at majority Democrats on the show,

and she had highlighted this strike that wasn't even on my radar, which is this Florida 22

“Trump had won it. I think double digits. This poll I'm looking at right now, the Trump recall”

vote was plus 10. Some people lie. So, so maybe it's a little bit more than that. There's some people that are looking around right now. And like, no, I didn't do. I wasn't made the vote for Trump. So I think the rate of the actual members a little higher than 10. And Pia Dandias, that she was highlighting, she's this really strong kind of surprising challenger. She's up to in that district that the Trump won by that. And so you're seeing that in a lot of places. And

to me, like that, the only case for this midterm rally that they're having is, can you try to generate some excitement, even if it's a do it for Charlie, like, to try to store up these plus 10, 12, 14 places. You know, to try to get people that are in the Republican vote that aren't really necessarily liable midterm voters to turn out. Like, that's honestly the only thing I could think of that's even marginally useful. Yeah. I mean, the enthusiasm gap is

enormous. And it has been consistently through the Trump era. You know, Democrats have been overperforming if they're losing their seats even by historic margins. And I kind of hate that comp, you know, when you're like, oh, you know, we got real close. Like, I just want to win. But I'm, you know, some battles you can't win. But, you know, the timing of it that it's 9/11 on Friday that, like you said, if a do it for Charlie, there is a way to cast this as,

these are people who don't love our country. Right. They're not patriots like we are. And I'm sure there will be a lot of fear mongering about mom Donnie. There will be talk of the, you know, the 9/11 family is who don't want him there at the background zero on Friday morning. He is going to go, which I do think is the right thing to do. What coming back to that? Yeah, it's a little, a little

“teaser. But that feels like the only way that they can really go on offense. You know, I'm sure”

how many shots are we going to have to take with his son, Piker mentions? You know, there's going to be very little substance, I think, to the content from the convention. Also, it's going to be so hot and miserable. You were lucky that you were on the other side of that crooked, kind of stage when we were on that panel together with the song, because I'm in all the pictures. You are. That's right. That's a little picture solo outside, and that lives like my colleagues

every day are like that picture of you and Hassan is the biggest thing in my timeline, because anything that I say, they're like, she loves the song, Piker. She is a communist.

And you're like, I'm sitting here with you every day, Jesse, you're in favor of internment camps,

but okay, we'll get back to that. No big deal. It's a tough spin for them a little bit on all this, you know, like getting people to get upset about some of these other things. We'll talk about whatever, whether who shows up to 9/11 Memorials, the Trump isn't showing up to. It's a little challenging when you have like gas prices jump this morning, like their biggest

“jump in a while. I think you kind of stopped monitoring this a little bit, like right when the”

Iran war started, there was, you know, because there was just so volatile. But now it's just been creeping up creeping up, it's now back over 100. Like in the early days of the Iran war,

I was using the Tommy from landman, you know, kind of measurement. Because he said one of the

episodes that we want to keep it between 60 and 90. Because if it's over 90, then people start to get pissed at us. And you can start to feel it. We're back over that right now. And last night, we have Central Command said it destroyed five Iranian oil tankers, Iran fired in our base in Jordan, question mark about whether there are injuries there. There's the military lies to us about that. Michael Weiss, new bullwerke contributor who are excited about pointed out that Ukraine

wanted just 300 Patriots to help protect themselves this winter. But we're running out of Patriots. We wasted 60. It just a one night defending, you know, these attacks on Jordan.

This seems to be kind of out of control. The good news is hard to find. Because there's always

some knock on a fact from something that has major implications. And obviously, we won't ever know the real source of the stockpile leaks at the outset, would start at the Atlantic. And then it got to the times. But I firmly believe that it's JD Vance and his team. And they're the ones that have been looking at the writing on the wall with this. And whether or not they actually

“want to be able to help Ukraine at the level that you or I think that we should”

doesn't really matter. Because they know that something bad is going to happen. There is going to be a crisis moment, whether that has to do with Russia or it has to do with China, vis-a-vis Taiwan, etc., or in the Middle East if we keep going on the track. And we are not going to have the equipment to be able to do this. And it's a strange place to be for our government, you know, we have the best resources in the world, the elite fighting forces,

all the things to have their head in the sand to this level. I like, I don't even know how Dan Driscoll's resignation didn't feel like a bigger deal to people. If that's unheard of, that the guy went around Secretary Hexeth to the President directly and said he is making decisions that hurt our readiness for the future. We are eliminating drone units, we are firing every general that is in charge of something that we need to be able to become a

modern fighting force. And it was like a two-day cycle and then gone. Yeah, if that. Yeah, and we have like vacancies, a top, the army. I like there are multiple positions at the top of the army now that he is resigned where we don't have key leadership in place, we don't have confirmed leadership in place in the middle of a war of choice and Iran. And who knows, potentially, you know, an increase as we start that back in the winter and hostilities in Eastern Europe.

We also don't know what happened with past characters. Like the resignations that have been around, remember when we used to shoot at random fishing boats in the Caribbean and kill innocent people and repatriate people to places they're not even from like, I mean, that feels quaint now, looking back, but we still haven't heard from Admiral Holsey about why he resigned you know, a year into a dream post for somebody. And you know, they're military folks. So

I doubt the telal is coming in the same way that it would from like a cable news host. But these stories, I'm not doing that. But these stories, that is not what I disagree as if it's a candid.

“You can, it's okay to tease kill innocent in the right context. I mean, I don't, I think that if”

Pete Buttigieg became president next time and was like, Jessica, I want you to be attorney general, you might do like, I don't know. I don't know if that's quite me, my role. Yes, I need something else that involves more hair and makeup. Thank you very much, president Pete. But my point is, we're moving so fast through stories with such enormous importance, especially in national security and we are all a lot less safe as a result of it and

strong indication of the fact that the rest of the world is not kidding when they say we're figuring it out without you. Like, we've got to go our own way and it's not like we can wait a couple of years to see if president Pete or off-off or whoever it's going to be is going to bring back the old version of America, because their new deals are going to last longer than this and their new alliances. And we will not be the entity, the country that was their partner when they really needed us to be.

Canada holds its first defense coordination talks with China, not a decade.

Also a story that people barely looked at. I brought it up yesterday on raging moderates with Scott. I was like, this is an enormous thought in military relations between Canada and China. This is even just about trade, right? You're talking about military partnership. And again, it barely broke through. It's a good point on wholesale. I even, you know, like that was not a top of

“my mind. You forgot wholesale. I think about them every day. It's important.”

My business route to colleagues at the board. You know, we must all have our hobby horses about all the horrors of what's happening in the administration, because it is impossible to keep

track of all of them. Like the human brain is not meant to keep track of the scandals that are

happening in every single cabinet office, right? And among every single member of his family has a different scandal. You know, so we all have our obsessions for me. It's Jared and the internment camps and you know, other people focus on other stuff. But holds getting holes on the list of like the testimony list for Robert Garcia is pretty long. Yeah. I mean, he has to start like in Trump land, I think. Right. But yeah, the list is very long. And he said that pushed to the

customers at the top. Which thank God. I mean, Jared Kushner is kind of running a legal foreign policy. It's a non-government official on multiple fronts while taking money for all the countries. But the the open telegraphing of the polyana attitude about these people, like, I mean, the day is of, you know, wick off saying, I'll just talk to Putin without a translator. Like, no big deal. He's a really good guy. And then you listen to Jared talking the last few days. And

you're like, how did we end up in this fresh hell? Like, how is this possible? And what can be done about it? You know, you wouldn't in an election. Hopefully, you know, it's too big to Reagan and all the things. But the institutional rot is so deep at this point. I thought that the wick cough comments. We were sitting outside just now, me, Jared and Carol, and then Yuri joined us. And we were all talking about when we retire.

We'll have all these incredible stories and incredible memories. And yours will be right at the top of it all. I thought this was very revealing the way he basically just says, you know,

“this is all just a life experience. You know, it's kind of like life is short. What are the kids?”

He says that we're doing it for the plot. That's what I have an interesting experience for the plot. And for me, like hanging out with you, Mr. Putin, who's bombing innocence and kidnapping kids, and, you know, starting an invasion of choice. Like, just getting to come here to Moscow and

have some vodka and talk to you is something I'm always going to remember. And it's just going to be

great for my memoir. Like, I do that. And that's the level of seriousness that we're doing with. They don't care at all. They're also so in awe of wealth and power that it can make anybody seem like an appealing person to have a chat with. You know, like they look at everything that's so gilded. You know, it's a dream or spectacularly for these people. What does Scottsay that Trump would make everything into an Iraqi, or house, if he could, that liberal achy design?

So, you know, Moscow has got all of that. I remember I went to the World Cup in Russia in 2018. And it's, I mean, St. Peter's work was really the most stunning thing. But you walk around Moscow and you look at it. And it, you know, the Empire feel is still there. And these guys are just so obviously in love with power, even if it comes in dictatorial packages. I'm jealous. I don't know if I'll be able to go fear of imprisonment to

keeping me from ever visiting Moscow. And salinity. I got it. Yeah. No, and I started talking about how MBS was on her Maphrodite. I did. My husband did tell me

“that that kind of prevented any trips to Riaud probably. Do you think it was worth it?”

I do. I don't know. I did. But it's, I would go to the scene in Moscow and Riaud. And I wish that,

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I actually think that'd be wrong, but I spent the morning watching Fox and Friends to prep for the podcast because I have working out of my head like an index for how bad things are going for Trump based on the Fox news topics of the segments and a Fox topic index success rating. And my theory of the case was that there are seven main categories. You've got bragging about something that went well that Trump gets credit for. It's like one. So if

they're doing a lot of that, things are going well for Trump. Two is kind of like positive news about this other conservative thing that's happening, maybe not directly to Trump. Number three is making up something good that Trump is doing. Number four is talking about bad elected Democrats, something that they're actually doing bad, and then kind of a four B is making up something they're doing bad. And then if we're trying to get into these last three categories, things aren't going

so well for Trump. We're going to talk about a random crazy Democrat. We're going to talk about the WNBA or some culture issue, or the last category, the juicy one that we really love that you get to bring to the five is we kind of have some criticisms of what Trump is up to, like maybe it's

not perfect. Yeah. And it's always watching Fox and Friends this morning with this rubric in mind,

I was looking through and you know, we had trade gouty do eight minutes on how Lane Kiffin is bad. So that's a classic number six. Blaming house Democrats for killing the Lindsey Graham sanctions bill. That's a four B. That's making up something bad. The Democrats are doing Mike Johnson is running mouse. You know, we go on and on. You knew he was bragging about Trump's midterm convention is a great idea. That's a number one. So like, as I watched, I don't know,

I was hoping it was going to be worse. I was hoping there was going to be more of a sense of dismissing. Wanted like all six. There you go. Was that in purpose? Oh, yeah. No. Does that make me like, Jesse. Good. I won all six. Yeah. I was like, was ready. I was wanted some delicious six, sevens. You know, just WNBA Lane Kiffin and people being like, House prices are a little high. But I didn't get that. Tell me what you think about the index,

but more like, is can you sense a vibe shift around there or not really? I will say that you've definitely spent more time thinking about this coverage than I have. I actually I will certainly today because I didn't catch any of that. So I don't know if the vibes are in that particular show. But I do think in general and you see this found out across supporters of the president in every facet. You know, people who go on TV and also in electives and people in surrogate spaces that there is

he probably doesn't like that. They feel that there is more leeway for criticism, but there is. And

“the, you know, liberation day. I think was sort of the kickoff to it. I mean, if you think about”

that, that was only like what three or four months into the new administration anyway. But the Warren Iran has really upset the apple cart in this sense because there is an overwhelming feeling that it is not actually going well and that we have moved so far from the original goal posts, which are things that I think we could all in principle say would be good if they happened. I didn't agree with going in and doing this and thought the idea that it was going to be, you know, a 48-hour

weapon and that the proxy forces are taken out and that the people are free and, you know,

they're not in weapons deals with the axis of evil. You know, like all the things that that all sounded good and it was clear from, I don't know, a couple weeks in that we were not trending in

“that direction and I think that that has been communicated in a wide variety of ways. Some of it”

explicit, sometimes it's, you know, I don't know if it's the president's advisors, right? Like we're not going to lay this at his feet. Like he's getting bad advice and I think that when you see what Dan Driscoll did for instance, that you get the sense that he is getting bad advice that Pete Hexeth is not pushing us in a good direction and that the people who have his ear, it's funny,

I'm not sure if you've been thinking about this, but their energy levels are obviously different

Trump and Biden, but there is the same feeling that he's running an insular presidency the same way that Biden did where there are only five people who actually get to talk to him or have an impact on his thinking and that's a very dangerous place to be no matter if you are a president that actually believes in democracy or one like the one that we have right now. So I'm not sure if that fully

“addresses your question in the way that you would have liked and you want to, if you want to”

meet a play, you know, one through seven. I don't have a good idea. I'm going to get what's on the five run down today. I can go through what the categories are now. I mean, it only doesn't in that, I guess just on the run thing in particular, I'm tuning in and out. I'm not Aaron Roupar here, watching three cable channels every minute of the day for 24 hours. So there's stuff on this. But it has been kind of, it's notable that there's still some Iran war jingoism happening. Anyway,

from like the times that I'm watching, you see a lot of criticism in kind of the alt mega media on the right, you know, of the Iran war. And I think that there's still a bit of a wagon, so I think, I don't know, I think you mentioned the Biden pair. I think back to Afghanistan, folks know that MSNL is going to be quite generous to Biden in a lot of ways in the Biden administration. And they were like, that's just reality. Like there's a lot of criticism of the Afghanistan,

what's wrong on everybody. On this on the show. Yeah, on the shows. Do you notice that growing? Or like not really. I guess it's my question. I think that there were fever pitch moments and we are not in one because I just, I don't think it's the front page story. And that is a story in enough itself, right? That it should be a bigger deal that we are actually, there's a war going on, whether he wants to call it that or not. And they want to talk about a dumb, you know, 48-hour

circle jerk and Dallas instead, right? So that is that is saying something about the state of the war. But when there are moments where it is obviously going badly, like taking over the street of Formus, you know, the MU for instance, right? That was apparently Iranian propaganda and then it turned out to be completely accurate that we had actually agreed to these kinds of terms. You saw that across the board, even from the president's most ardent defenders, whether it was

because they were upset vis-a-vis the impact on Israel because there's a contingent where it's about

that, for instance, or part of this America first contingent who's thinking like, it's America

first doesn't mean Americans surrender, right? Like we would have rather that we weren't in there in the first place. There's also a little bit of a rug poll, where they like leaked the details of the MU and a lot of the folks on Fox and other places trump defenders like went out to be like, it's not this. This is misinformation from Iran. And then the real one ended up being exactly right. I mean, you were talking about that on the show. Well, not only that, it was crazy

coincidence because JD Vance was on the five, the day that the top end. And so I'm sitting with to hand and he said it was misinformation. And he said that I was parading Iranian propaganda and I said from the Wall Street Journal, like let's be real here, man. And then within 24 hours, the White House has confirmed it. So A, a statement on the E's at which these people will lie, will look you in the eye or at the very least, look a camera in the eye and say the direct opposite

of the truth and also what a scramble it is and that they feel to some degree at least invincibility

“that they can keep bullshitting through this. But that's why elections happen. And you see”

this uprising in people where they are following these stories, you know, we went through a bunch of

if you go through the comments on the bullwork or on raging moderates, you know, everywhere,

people are paying so much attention to all of this. It has kicked the American populace into high gear where they say, yeah, my gas prices, obviously, I know about that. You've got a daughter, I've got a couple back to school. I mean, the cost of school supplies, these things that are really

“hitting families hard. But they haven't forgotten Admiral Holsey, they remember that what Dan”

Driscoll did and they're tracking all of this stuff that the administration would love if they could just, you know, push into the closet. Do you think the JD, I obviously can get into this head, like your sense kind of having that dispute with him on TV? Like, do you think he was lying to you

about what the MOU already think he just was so out of the loop? Yeah, and he's on his book tour,

you know, that he, you know, just kind of like, like many people in Trump's defense, like assumed it couldn't be that bad. I don't know, it's hard for me to think that the point person on the war doesn't know what's going on. With something that is as big of a deal as the MOU, yeah, I'm sure that there are some, you know, language experts that could parse through exactly what he said, so that it wouldn't mean that he was really saying the thing that we all heard

and experience. I mean, calling you in Iran propaganda for talking about what was actually in the MOU as was revealed 24 hours later seems like a, if not an intentional lie, a smear. It didn't feel great. I'm getting in the pushback of, we're talking about the Wall Street Journal

“here did feel great, though, because, you know, there's nothing, I think, more potent than you”

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on Fox this morning. What a, it's just quite a joy to wake up and kind of get to spend some time. Most of my friends are trying to kill me, etc. And so I just, I appreciate it all the time I got. But it ended with a segment on 9/11 families, and this is for Dana actually. She's interviewing somebody who's dad died 9/11, obviously tragic, but then it pivots into the desire to ban Zoraan from going to the memorial, the elected mayor of New York. On the same day, 9/11 Jake Lang, who's

Islamification of America. Rally, that's on 9/11. Juliani said it's offensive for him to go.

And here is Councilwoman Vicki Paladino. I'm not asking politely for the mayor not to come to 9/11 to that ceremony. I am asking, I am demanding that he not show his face at that sacred ground. He does not belong there. So I guess this is a 4/B. We're talking about something that I guess. I mean, he didn't do anything. It's not like you can imagine them praising him if he said he wasn't going to go. He was going to use

Zoraan as a lightning rod because he's a Muslim. Yeah. Part of this also is the association with

Hassan Piker to go, "I don't know what number Hassan is on your chart." No, I don't know what to

“Democrats. We're not even a Democrat, really, but good. No, a tent mate sometimes, I think, is the best way.”

What is the association exactly? Does Hassan work for him? I think he can be like he was, I think so. Either way, it's a DSA thing and it doesn't matter. That's the point now that it doesn't actually matter. If you have a certain way of talking about your political opponents, you just go with it, no matter the details. I certainly know what it feels like to be the Debbie Downer. That's like, could we actually unpack what Angie Nixon's policies are? Or could we talk about the fact that

Abdul Al-Sayed isn't a DSA member? Now, he is very progressive, 100%. But the guy's a capitalist and owns a bunch of property and his wife doesn't even take Medicare. What are we doing here? This is

very sad and personal to me. Vicki Palizino is being Vicki Palizino. She's always like that.

She's a vibe. I totally get it. But I feel awful that these families who have suffered such tragedy have something else that is so upsetting to them. You know, that day and the 25th anniversary should be able to just be about your loved ones, right? And the terror attack and the aftermath of

“it without this complication, whether I agree with where they land or not and I don't. I think that”

the mayor, the duly elected mayor of New York City should be at the 9/11 ceremony, which he has said. And he looked quite pained answering questions about it. Mom Donnie said, "You know, I love my city and I love my country and I will be there." But I hate this for them. Right? That's something that's already so hard and traumatizing feels worse. I mean, I wouldn't pick on the family members, but I don't know, the politicians who are journeying. Yeah, the commentators, like,

and this is anti-Muslim hysteria, is what this is. You know, you can't imagine any other like somebody from any other racial or ethnic group who's a politician in America, people saying you can't come to a memorial because the perpetrator of the crime was your same race or religion, like that's insane. It's a Muslim special, for sure. And there's also a lot of misinformation circulating even amongst 9/11 families around the 9/11 memorial and museum, which Mike Bloomberg

built and a group of them felt or were misinformed that control was then going to be seated to Mom Donnie, right? That this was something that actually got passed to whoever's in office, which doesn't make any sense because Diplosio was an in charge of it in America, I'm so it's an in charge of it. But there's a lot of anger and anxiety and some degree of Islamophobia percolating in there. And I don't know. I feel badly for them, frankly.

You were not the biggest zauron fan at the start. I wonder what you assess for how he's been doing.

“I think that in some level, and this is bad because it's a Zlamophobia, my silver lining”

that I'd put on this is like, I don't know, he hasn't really given them folks who are his political opponents a whole lot to work with. Like about his actual governing. I mean, you know, the Pieda tear tax or whatever, some people didn't like how he was targeting specific individuals. I guess we're trying to say is like the level of fear mongering about what would be happening in New York versus what's happening in New York. It feels

like he's been pretty practical. Now, when you live there, maybe I'm missing something. No, I mean, you see that in as a approval rating, which is at a I think 57% which is pretty high

about this and didn't know what a mongdoni administration was going to look like. I have

friends in the modern orthodox community. They are still not fans of mongdoni and, you know, don't feel like he is treating anti-Semitism, anti-Semitic attacks that have happened in the city, you know, issues around demonstrations outside of temples, for instance, that has been,

“you know, taken as seriously as it should be. But I think on the policy front, he has focused on”

the things that everyone was actually pretty excited about or could wrap their heads around, like, why people would want their mayor to do these things, right, talking about universal child care and extending free pre-K. The way that he communicates has continued, which would be an expectation from a millennial mayor like that. But I think that it does make people feel more connected to him. And frankly, you know, he has in a lot of ways, I think sidesteped some of the big mistakes that

folks in the DSA have made because he stands shoulder to shoulder with police commissioner Jessica Tish as often as he can and touts the drop and crime. I mean, we had the lowest number of murders and how long was it over the summer? And you know, summer, there's usually an uptick. A lot of people are on the streets, kids are not in school, etc. So I am definitely in the pleasantly surprised category. You know, he's definitely, those, like, if you look at Chicago, San Francisco, some of the other

left mayors mistakes. He's avoided. I guess last thing on this in a transition is that the book, as you wrote about this, you lost your dad, was related to Chris and agents after 9/11. I guess or some documents from that that were private that they put out this week. I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts on kind of that and how it's impacting your family.

Yeah, so I think that this is amazing that he's done this and I don't want to

make a joke out of it, but the fact that he's, but it feels like the Epstein files for 9/11 survivors,

“right, and they're families. Can I ask, what was the argument for keeping them secret prior?”

A lot of powerful people made bad decisions, right, and came out there and said things like the air is safe. You can go back to your homes now. You can go back to your offices. And there has, you know, been a constant drumbeat from people in the 9/11 community and then advocates like John Stewart who is out talking about it yesterday as well with mom Donnie standing behind him saying, like, we are owed this at this point. And I don't know, I think it's very much

a stain on a New York leadership that we haven't been able to see it before because there are real present health implications for people. You know, as you said, my dad died of tongue cancer related to 9/11 to my best friends, one of them, their mother passed away from her ovarian cancer,

“linked to 9/11, the other olympoma linked to 9/11. And we are not unique in this and a lot of people”

think about 9/11 as that tragic day and the first responders, but quite literally an entire

set of communities in the vicinity and then by extension of people were commuting in and out because Wall Street had to reopen are still living with the knock-on effects of 9/11. And it'll be interesting to see how this move to release all these documents is taken by members of the 9/11 community who might not want him right at the ground zero ceremony, but they say, oh, this is the mayor who's actually giving us access to this. And, you know, the 9/11 victims fund and all of the machinery

around it, the infrastructure that they created is the best that there is. I mean, these are the most kind and caring people that work there. Like, my mom has worked with my father was treated at Sloan Catering and has worked with their grief groups and social workers, she said nothing compares to the people that work with the 9/11 community. You know, it's the same thing as that day when people just poured in from across the country where they just got up and got in their

fire trucks or in their cars. And that spirit is still very much alive and it feels like having access to these documents and then by extension registering yourself, you know, with the 9/11 fund, so they can track, like, you know, I'm 42 years old. I was a senior in high school in 9/11. What does this look like for my generation? What does it look like for the little kids that were

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You do, but you don't family members, high school pals. You don't want to get rid of people in

the community. I don't want to stop going to my LSU tailgate because a couple of guys are in

mega hats. There's certain things you don't want to give up. You want to one way to do this is just talk about football or the weather or whatever, come about. But if you decide you want to engage, that's not possible. Some tools for doing it. So what launch you give the pitch? Yeah, so the pitch is that I disagree is a survival manual for having contentious conversations.

“And the subtitle is winning arguments without losing friends. I totally get it if you want to”

lose those friends. Like if the gumbo chat is not even good enough to get you through a tailgate. But what I have found, and I talked with Sarah about this as well, and she got this from her focus groups a lot, that even when people outwardly say or behave in their day-to-day, like they are impervious to the effects of having lost these relationships. When you really dig in what them, they know that life is longer than this political moment. And they would really like to

find a way back into each other's lives. And the book is part memoir and then part how to. And I use my life experiences, everything from how I grew up and what the dinner table in my household was like to the table on the five to chart this course through acquiring and the hard work, frankly, of developing a skill set that has allowed me to be able to very peacefully co-exist with people who feel very differently than me about politics, about the president. And I'm sure that

you got this too as someone who works in communications. People say, how do you do this? I want to be

“better at being able to talk about this really hot stuff. And that's what the book says. So every”

chapter has a little tips box at the end, because I wanted to be able to be a business book for people also. Obviously, there's a lot about rewiring your brain to think in data and numbers. I have the PhD in politics, instead of a quantitative study for that. I worked as a pollster, the numbers matter. You know, thinking averages and not anecdotes, be able to process criticism better. You know, that if someone's criticizing you on style, you probably won on substance.

And I really hope that it's going to be able to help people. One thing what I want you and I think about is this kind of slices both ways, some of it, because like I really admire how prepared you are. And you know, my kind of style when I'm going on to peers is like think about two or three stats and then just drop insults. This is not in the spirit of your book. But you know, whatever. That's kind of where I shine. You're so measured and so prepared. And oftentimes, you know,

they're offering. But the thing that just makes you wonder is, I kind of, I don't know, some of these people aren't moved by facts, right? And so at some level, if you're engaging on like here's the facts and they're like engaging on a gut level, is that it is our disconnect. Totally. And it's funny now to have transitioned into feeling like the embodiment of Ben Shapiro

circa 2012 when he first said the facts don't care about your feelings. And then that obviously

became the rallying cry of the Trump defending right. If for 2016, post-Axis Hollywood tape where it's just like, okay, you know, we don't actually need a moral leader. I don't need to, you know, elect someone who I would leave like alone to babysit my kids, you know, I want someone that's going to rev the economy and, you know, has the right ideas on foreign policy. So yeah, sometimes there is just a massive disconnect. And one thing that is a big through line in the book

is that I don't see my job and I don't see your job or what people, you know, who think like us and are, are talkers professionally are doing as necessarily changing minds, but opening them up

“to the possibility that there isn't alternative point of view worth considering. And that's why”

it's so important to also be a recurring character in people's lives. You know, if you drop in, like you say, like, I prepare for peers, I want to say these couple of things, but then I also

want to make sure that, like, I love this incredible insult, right, that I have been brewing

at whatever MBS is a maverity, a truth nook on, you know, Tim Pool or whoever is sitting there. Like, I totally get that, but I'm in a different kind of relationship with my co-hosts and I'm here, you know, half the week because Harold Ford is on half the week, but basically every day, right, I'm in the building doing something. And it's not a Harold Ford club's out there. Sorry, keep going. I'm just, you don't have to respond.

It's a different argumentation style. Okay. One way, that's nice. It's diplomatic. It's a lesson for the book, diplomacy. It is a lesson from the book. Not, and I get it, some people don't want to be diplomatic, but in doing research for this, I looked at a lot of the social science related to how we actually

hear and process information that flies in the face of deeply held beliefs. And I didn't realize that actually your threat reflects goes up in the same way as if you were scared because you see someone in an alley and that your pain sensors go off. So when you're having a conversation with someone

and you're like really laying into them and you're like, uh, over 70 percent of the people that

I start picking up having committed any crime and they're looking at you like they're in pain, like they actually are. And feeling and understanding that really changed the way I thought about

“a lot of these conversations that you have to not only keep your side of the street clean,”

but you have to understand where the other person is coming from. And that's not just how they grow up and obviously you can make a better argument when you really understand the totality of the person, but that there's a real struggle going on and likewise or correlated, I guess I should say, what what happens to us when we're confronted with information that flies in the face of our long, held beliefs and narratives because we react the same way as humans. So what is your best

short piece of advice for people who, I'm sure you get the question, I get it. I'm sure you get it a thousand times more. What am I supposed to do with my family? Like how do what do I do? I don't want to stop talking to my dad or my brother or whatever, but they're just off the deep end. What do I do? So I mean it's one of the lessons in there and I use the example of talking with Greg my co-host after Charlie Kirk was murdered that really taught me this lesson about the value

of listening and just how badly people want to be heard and how oftentimes liberals are the first ones to cut off actually, not only cut off the relationship but in conversation. So the

“lost art of listening, I think is a big component of it, but this marriage between averages and”

anecdotes. I think is the special sauce in having these conversations and I call it in the book your soft start, the way that you build connective tissue and a closeness in a conversation that could turn contentious before you move into your database world view. And I'm not saying you're going to sit at Thanksgiving and be like the pupil, the NPR poll, the Washington Post, did you see the fox poll? Like no one wants that. I would get kicked out of my own, my own celebrations.

tomaton or they're just a big bag of feelings. And if you have listened and given them the space

that they want and that they need to express their point of view, then you come in with your soft

“start and your data. I think that you will have a lot better of a Thanksgiving. And actually the”

alternate title was surviving Thanksgiving because that is what I hear from people where they're just like, I can't fucking get through this. This is so miserable. So my appendix is 10 tips for your table, which is a cliff note. It's like you got to be at your uncles in an hour. This is how you talk about abortion, this is how you talk about ice, this is how you talk about the corruption, this is how you talk about the constitution, all the stuff that might come up.

I think that's particularly valuable for family members and I'm a big people don't always

like to hear this because all you know may and kind of I think sometimes because I can be such a deck people want me to be like, fuck them. And I'm a softy and the D. I have a hard candy show on a soft center. And I'm like, I want people to be able to, you know, coexist with their loved ones.

“Life is too short for otherwise. The professional people that you deal with”

though, I do kind of put in a different category. And like this is the thing the frustrates me about Greg Gutfeldt he mentioned about you give a story in the book about Ailes about how he told you in 2016, he first met with the T.S. for K.S. and he's kind of moderate. And like when I read

things like that, it gives me this rage inside. And like there's this moment on the five recently

where Jesse did something that I could receive more compliments than anything. I think anyone's done on Fox for the long time, which was you got to the W had to be a topic and he's like, I'm not going to pretend to be mad about this. And I think there was a reason why that resonated with people. And I can just speak for myself. It was like this Ailesus in the desert where I'm like looking at all these people and I'm like, you're full of shit. I could be one thing if you like

really deeply believed this. But like I think that they're elements of it you deeply believe. Of course, right? It's not like you're not conservative. But like there is this fakery that happens. And when all there's all this pain out there in the world, like when we see the suffering that's being wrought by this administration, it makes me want to just scream in the face of the people that are spinning for it in ways that they know at some level or disingenuous. And like

that is where I wonder how you go a different path than what I wanted to, which is just a place I don't choose violence. Yeah. How do you not choose violence in that case? Well, I would say, you know, that moment obviously which went, you know, very viral is consistent with how Jesse talks about those issues. He is not down the rabbit hole in the same way and you even saw that in his interview with Abdul al-Sayad, where he's talking about like dangling things like that.

And the Natalie Harp comment from John Osaf. Again, he said, I'm not going to pretend that this offense me. So I picked out Greg and Roger Ailes. It's the people that I was talking about. That you wanted to do murder. Yes. And the book is very clear also on what a bad guy Roger Ailes is. It was just an important anecdote to share. And I was just using that as a representative. On the

“record, Roger Ailes, bad dude, was bad dude. And here's the thing. And I think it comes, you know,”

in part from obviously knowing these people much more personally than someone who just consumes the show or most of the time people who just watch clips of the show. I mean, people who are out in the, you know, pro-democracy YouTube ecosystem probably don't know that I can talk for longer than 60 seconds out of clip, right? Because they've only seen Asyn's clips of me flying around with a narration from Adam Makler or, you know, someone who's like, we got to talk about this thing.

And the show is a lot more than that. And I'm not saying that what about is the right way to play this game. But I have, I am able to put myself and I have heard this from my colleagues when I bring up this stuff. Because it is an ongoing fight that I actually have with Greg about Trump, where he's like, why do you care so much that I like him? And I, I said, it's not just like a friend you're bringing to the bar that I find annoying. Like, this is someone that is putting decisions

to place that the consequence of our people are dying from it, right? Like, at a home in a broad, this is happening. And then, and it's, you know, it's dirty politics in this sense, but they often bring up how many of us sat on TV and didn't acknowledge an enormous immigration crisis.

like $230,000. It was a horrible way to work a lot. It's like, okay, fine, then fuck you,

then get mad. Then don't fucking smear in a good. Like, like, those are conversations that I have had right where I have said that and push back and been loud and slamming hands on the table. But there's this sense that, you know, we're on this higher moral plane and that we are legitimizing them. You hear this, oh, I hear this all the time from the left. You know, don't platform this person or that or this gives them legitimacy. Like, we are not the gatekeepers anymore.

We are not the arbiters of who people take seriously and who they agree with. And I would much rather be in the conversation and be able to be representing my point of view and the point of view of tens of millions of people who think the same way that I do about everything from Renee Good and Alex Prattie's murder to how, you know, immigration enforcement is happening to what the job decision did to millions of women across this country, to the disastrous war and

Iran. There is an opportunity to be able to engage that we miss out on because we rage too hard. And I'm not honest, sedative. I don't take sedatives, but I have one. Yeah, I know a guy for sure. I can help you out. I know that that isn't a good enough answer for you. No, look, I'm happy you're out there doing it. I guess my point is that it's what you're doing is different than what Greg's doing because you're an honest broker. And like, it's just not true. Like,

you did criticize Biden's immigration policy and Afghanistan policy. And it's like, okay, so just because whoever, you know, random, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to

spare anybody. So random, lefty resistance person never did. Yeah. Okay, so like, this is what you

learn when you're nine, you know, like just because Jamie, you know, if I can, you know, jumped off a bridge, does that mean you're going to? And it's like, like literally the first moral test that you get taught by your parents. And like, you have little kids. So I do have a triangle on. Yeah,

“you just, you have to move past that. Well, you don't. That's it. You don't. And that is,”

it's totally fine to feel that way. But I think that oftentimes we are missing out on understanding the point of view of millions of people who are not represented necessarily in what Greg is saying and have somewhat more muted perspective, but who are genuinely flummixed by our parties inability to acknowledge things that are meaningful to them, whether that's knowing the names of American citizens killed by illegals who should have been deported,

eight offenses ago, you know, like angel moms versus the black lives matter movement, right? And I was very aware of the fact that I could rattle off the names of all of these unarmed black men that were killed by the police, but I didn't know the names of these girls like

“a Kate Steinley, for instance, and obviously I think Lincoln Riley, you know, set off a little”

bit of a different trend in that sense. But those are people that are losing their lives, too. And I don't think that it hurts us being. Yeah, but I want to put their killers in jail.

I know I just want to put their killers in jail. Who? Yeah, no, the first thing killed Alex

Freddie and Renee Gooder still on the street. Totally. Yeah, no, but I will say, I mean, I'm going to be, I guess that person, like, when you watch these speeches that some, you know, blue city mayors or blue state governors give, you know, rallying at size, which I agree with, you know, I think that they are, and out of control force operating with reckless abandon, they don't have enough experience to be doing the job, they are breaking the law, they are

violating, you know, Americans, rights, and people are here illegally, they're rights, which they

“have. Antonin Scalia even said that. But we don't weave in these important points into the”

way that our rhetoric is around these issues. And you just hear ice out, no cooperation, even in a state where there has been someone who was recently murdered by someone who was here illegally. And it is just not that hard people, like I was saying, that they know about the andreschool, and they know about Admiral Hulsi. And they are, they remember everything, because the average American is smart, and they are interested, and, and they are informed, and they care about this

and concern and intelligence on these issues. And I really wish that our platform would shift to make

“that more obvious. Like, once Tom Holman came in, and after Christy Nome, a gripe of, you know,”

were pushed out, it made sense that Tim Walls and Mayor Fry said we're going to work with you, right, to get the bad guys out of here, because then it would be even more obvious that you're just going after whoever is a little bit brown. And like, I want everybody to do that, because the enormity of their cruelty will be so much further on display. But we give them, we don't have them license, but we give them the cannon fodder to keep having these terrible polarizing conversations.

And then we waste valuable time having to defend it and say, well, obviously, I'm not for keeping, you know, people here who commit crimes on American soil, like across the border, that's one thing.

“But like, you hurt an American, you should be out of here.”

No. Jessica, I did serious when I say this. I, just like I was saying earlier, that, you know, everyone has to have their hobby horses and a role to play to make sure people understand what's

happening in the world. I, you know, we're all built different. You know, I wasn't never going to be

the defensive lineman for LSU. You know, there's nothing I could do. And I don't think I could have

“been the person to sit there the last nine years. And you are, you do a great job. I'm not sure”

you can jump an hour. And we appreciate that you're doing it. And it's a good lesson for family members as we're completely aligned on that. So people should go get the book, especially, you know, with Thanksgiving coming up. I'm sure you need some tips. You do need some tips. Thank you for having me. The book is called "I disagree." Winning arguments without losing friends. That's just Taraloff. Come on back soon, all right, girl? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'll come anytime you want me.

Have fun on the book tour. Go check it out and rage you matter. It's everybody. We've

acted on my own with another edition of the show. See you all then. I dream music singers have always been a real close family.

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