Episode #95 Featuring Filmmaker Laurent Goldstein! An inside discussion on making health documentaries and helping to change peoples' lives!

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$90 with my special discount. Take control over your health today with a Palo Nero. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Dillon Jamelli podcast. So my guest today's got a little role reversal going on for him because he's normally filming and asking the questions in behind the camera, but he's with me today and I'm going to ask you the questions which I'm really looking forward to.

So I got to meet my guest recently, actually, and became really, really fond of him in about two minutes after we got to talking. He does documentaries and I just got done finishing watching the one that you sent me and it was just such tremendous work. I had no doubt after speaking with you, but you got some other things that are going on. You've had your own health journey, you know, your documentary is really, really drove nice focus into what I love to do with health

and wellness. You've been in the music industry. You've been around some amazing people.

So for me, this is so cool to get to get behind the scenes and talk to somebody as established as yourself. Get into this crazy lifestyle that you're living now that I was just joking with you about, but I am just so happy that you made this trip down here to see me, man, and I know that you're busy, but thanks for taking the time because this is going to be a fascinating interview and I want to get into your mind and to what you do. So my friends, Lord Goldstein.

Well, thank you so much, Dylan. And first of all, I am very grateful for the opportunity. I really think that you have an amazing story, an amazing background, the story of transformation,

“really, a story that is inspiring others. And in my documentary, that's what I always try to do”

is to maybe inspire others and get people to look at their life. Maybe sometimes with different perspectives, their life or their age, in the case of the film your second 50, changing people's belief systems around aging is what really motivates me. So it's a pleasure to be here. I'm looking forward to that conversation. I really enjoyed the short time. We spent together 20 minutes, half an hour. I don't know. In Florida, it was wonderful. And so I felt a connection

and so thank you for the opportunity. You said that somehow that I was established, you know,

like, I feel that I'm not at all. I feel like I'm always on a, how do you call moving songs?

Yeah, but it's always coming with a sense of adventure and always kind of renewing yourself. And what I really learned filming documentaries around the topic of aging in particular? That's my second one. No, is that we need to keep a very open and flexible mind. So it's actually the opposite of being set. You know, it's kind of always being open to possibilities

“and changing and open to change. It's not easy. Yeah, change. But I think it brings a great”

reward in the process. What is it that you're trying to accomplish when you do a documentary? What is the driving you? The driving for so I've done now six feature length documentaries. And I wrote a screenplay for an actual movie called with an open heart. Haven't been able to fund the screenplay ever that movie yet. I mean, I think it's a very interesting screenplay. People love it. And we have wonderful cast members. But raising the money

in that environment hasn't been easy for that movie. So it is being shelved. So in the process of doing that movie with an open heart, because I was getting roadblocks on the funding I decided to do your second 50 listen to the lion. And what was driving me not kind of the same

people that can make a positive difference in their lives. That is what motivates me. I think and the way I like to do my documentaries is to do them in a way that people are touched emotionally and in a way that they get inspired. What I think when people get inspired, they actually are motivated to implement changes in their lives, even if these changes are not

always easy. What that is not the case. Often when people are just educated, there is a turn of

“the education and information out there. All you have to do is do a Google search and you can be”

educated and informed. However, that does not necessarily translate into people making actual changes in their lives. What triggers the changes I believe is when people get inspired. So how do you do that? When you do a documentary, yes, you have to provide information, you have to educate people. But doing it in a way that is emotionally engaging and is going to inspire people. And I think what motivates me is to hear people stories.

Everybody has a story to tell. Sometimes some people you see in the street and they don't look like much. But if you get to actually talk to them, you find out that they

often have an amazing story. And so that what motivates me as a filmmaker is to tell people story.

So ultimately what interests me the most is connections with people. You know, relationships we have with others. And yes, hearing people stories and sharing with stories was the world is what motivates me the most. And that's it. When you watch a documentary, you get a closer intricate feeling about what's going on. The music that you put in there and the way that you show the story being told and convey the message. Like you said,

man, I can read stuff all day long and I can learn a lot, but I doesn't necessarily mean I feel shit. You know what I mean? Like you don't get that feeling and you don't get inspiration

“from just reading text. It's very difficult, too. I mean, the only thing that really inspires me”

about reading text is the Bible to be honest with you. But for you, let's say we're filming a documentary and you've got this big plan. Like the second 50, how long does something like that really take to do to do it your way? So I mean, after six documentaries, not at the beginning, the first couple of movies, you know, I was kind of finding my way. But now I kind of know because I've done several, it typically takes two years of the whole process filming and editing. From the time

we start filming, to the time we wrap up the movie with two years. Wow. So it's a process. You have to be really motivated when you start. And with me, it's not an intellectual process. Like, in other words, what I mean is organic. You know, when I started two years ago, I felt the need of the drive to revisit the concept of your second 50 because 10 years ago, I met a guy by the name of Frank Muffat who wrote a book called your second 50 that is on Amazon.

We met at an RV dealership by chance. Because this chance doesn't exist. It was supposed to be the guy who owned the car dealership. Actually, it was a client of mine. I was producing a video for his dealership. And there was their meeting with him. He said, "Hey, Lauren, you know, my friend,

“Frank is here." And he wrote that book and I think you should really meet with Frank.”

So he called Frank, "Hey, Frank, can you come up? We were in the boardroom upstairs and Frank came up and we started talking." And that day, we went to dinner together at the cactus club restaurant in Calgary by the airport and we decided to do a movie from his book. You know,

that was how we just clicked. We just connected. I've always been fascinated by the concept

of time and how we can maximize our experience while we are alive on this planet. So that's what motivated me to do the first your second 50. Back, 11 years ago, we started the process doing the film because two years to do it. And we filmed it in six countries, literally on three continents all over the world. Frank knew some people, great people, like in New Neo-Mijad, in New, a lot of people in the music industry because our kids are amazing musicians. They actually compose the songs for the

movie. And then I knew a lot of people because of my connections in calo practice. I spent

of calo practice who used to come to calo practice conferences and regular bases. People like Jack Canfield, Bruce Leapton, but Proctor and many other big names were not calo practice, but were invited to Brazil, Mancini's calo practice, of course. But all these people around the calo practice profession, I knew them intimately because I used to own one of the largest

“companies in calo practice for 12 or 13 years. And so that's what, you know, I had that”

background in music, I had the background in health awareness because of my own personal journey,

growing up in France, always interested when I was 18 years old, I was reading books on how

meopathy. I was going to health food stores and buying supplements and I was buying organic food. I was 18, 19, 20 was already immersed in that space, where did that come from and not sure, but it started very early on. I was treating myself by how meopathy and my primary physician at the time in France was a natural path. So it's interesting. And then I moved to Canada for business, I became a business entrepreneur, I started several companies, run large sales teams in my companies,

but then it took, you know, like you have, you have to go through something quite tragic in your life to actually be reborn. Yeah. And have an amazing gift to share. I had to go through something very traumatic for me, which was to lose my company, Brian, which was my company calo practice in 2009 when the recession hit, I lost that business. And it was my retirement. We were doing very well, I had 40 employees, I had to let everybody go and start from scratch and I was in my meet 50s.

And at the time, one day I had that vision that I should start a video production company.

“And that's what I did. In my meet 50s, when I lost my business and we lost everything,”

we moved on on our boat with our two dogs, we lost everything, just like, we were doing very well. So we went from doing very well, having great lifestyle to losing everything and adding to staff from scratch again. So I started the video production company and literally doing call calls and selling my videos and we exploded. We, I saw, we have our way of our 1000 clients that I just beat it myself from scratch, literally from less and scratch, even reinvented myself.

What's very interesting is when I was growing up in France, as a kid, I always wanted to be a

film director. I even did a film school to be assistant director. I learned that I borrowed a 16 millimeter camera to short to film a short film. I did all of that stuff and then I shoved it. I forgot about I became a business man. That was not my calling. It was not what I was supposed to do. I was losing myself, running all these companies and being that business owner and that entrepreneur. So it took me to actually go through the trauma of losing my business in my meet 50s

and having to reinvent myself for after four or five years of shooting videos, meeting Frank

Buffet, doing my first film and then after that I never stopped. And actually I'm already planning

my new film, which will be also in your second 50, but we can talk about it a little. I don't know if I want to say too much about it. I don't want to jinx it. Oh, that's fine. You know, one of the things, one of the many things that I look at, like you said the trauma and I used to say that about things too, but then all honesty, it's really training. If you look at it that way because it's training you for what you really are supposed

to be doing or need to get ready for because you weren't ready to be doing what you do now at

“the time and that's why you weren't doing it. You know, it's interesting. You said that because in”

the film, towards the end of the film, in the spiritual segment of the film at the end, I have a Jungian therapist. My name is Dr. Adam Mosul. I am a big fan of Carl Jung, like, you know, I've done 20 years on and off of Jungian therapy as a patient. I just love the dream exploration of that fascinating story. And the connection with the spiritual world and it's a love cowlroom. And she says, at some point in the film, life is a series of

traumas that must be overcome. So we go through these traumas and that each of each time it's

been at and it's understanding that some of the struggles that you get and the hard times are actually gifts that you're given if you look at it in that way. And then I started to go, man, this is tough. Like, I want to comprehend this. I want to get it. And then sometimes if you just sit back and antiquate this and go, wait a minute. Now this happened, but it allowed me to do this. So was it a gift? Was it? And then I'll go, huh? As much as I thought it sucked because it did,

had it not happened, then what? And I love how in your story, like, the time that you spent, like, having to go to jail and all the time, the two years, how somehow you explained that it taught you something valuable and that you found something positive in that

“experience. I think you were talking about the fact that you had that routine, that you were only”

relying on that. And I'm sure it actually taught you something positive that you're still implement today. Maybe I'm guessing it made me a lot more accountable and it has helped me with I'm management and and keeping on track. And it developed more responsibility to me and more understanding of look, you can do this. You can do anything. You've been reduced to nothing. You can't

get any worse. Having you can't. You can't get any worse than I was at. So it always reminds me,

but it also gives you more value. It gives you more value on time. You can't get that back, right? So then sometimes when I get complacent or I get where I, it's very easy to take things for granted, just everyday stuff. It really is. And it's problem. It is. And then I start to think, man, just be getting to go to a nice gym to work out at or even have the ability to work out. Like basic stuff you go do when you go home and you're like, oh, I'm tired. I want to eat. I want to do this.

When I leave, I always take a minute just to thank God for the most basic of basic stuff, because you don't realize how many people would kill to do one of those things. 100%. You know, it's interesting you're talking about being tired. In the first thing, you're second 50. One of the amazing people, I was grateful to interview with Bob Pogto. Yeah. You know, Bob Pogto the

“architect of the secret and all of that. Yeah, yeah. And at some point, Bob was talking about, you know,”

you could be exhausted. It's the end of the day. You're tired. And you don't feel like doing anything anymore. You want to stand a couch at home and just watch TV. But your wife tells you, okay, let's go dancing. There is a boron dancing even to that. Let's go dancing and say, okay, I'll go.

And then you go and you always your wife on the dance floor and suddenly you're not tired anymore.

For example, if you forget about the fighting, why? Because you do what you love to do. And that is, you know, there is energy that can be found in that. I am fascinated by the concept of where can we find sources of energy? And this is why I'm so grateful to have Dr. Donny Epstein in the film Epianogetics. Donny, the Epstein is a genius. Tony Robbins just had him on stage. Again,

“last weekend because it was Donny's birthday and they're very close friends. And Tony Robbins just”

raised a video on YouTube talking about how much Donny Epstein has taught him in his life and how much of a genius is. But Donny Epstein is all about tapping into sources of energy that you may not see

out there and he's helping you access to that because ultimately we cannot be alive and feel really

alive unless we feel that we have energy to do things. So how to keep your energy going in your 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. That is what I'm fascinated to actually talk about. And that's in the movie, the little spin. That is really one of the things that we really drill on. So I mean, you get so many cool people that come on that are brilliant, you know, in different minds. So I mean, we talk all day about the production and stuff. But what about on a personal side? Like, hey, how much do you actually

learn and absorb from all these different minds and be like, do you develop like close relationships with people that are working thing where you just kind of talk whenever talk to them again, like for you, because I know everybody's different. Yeah. How is that for you? What I'm most fascinated about, what I'm most interested about is a relationship I develop over time. Yeah. And so yes, I have developed fantastic relationship, Dr. Bruce Lipton. We go back 22 years, he's one of my mentors. Yeah.

books and his wife Mark Wright at their home. And it was amazing. And in the process of doing the

“film, your second 50, I have developed relationships with people that we've become friends. I give”

you an example, Wendy, Corn, Osborne. Yeah, I'm called Hat. Yeah. We became really close friends. I mean, we text each other every day. We became good friends with Christian Drapo and his wife Stephanie, we've earned in their home in White Fish Montana. And I could go on and on. I mean, most of the people who are in the film, we've developed really close relationships. Oh, great. And that's what I value the most. What tells is there, beside the relationships we have with other people.

That's it, man. That's it. You know, and it became also very clear doing COVID for me because being in Canada doing COVID were really isolated for many reasons. I guess you understand some of the reasons. I don't know if I can go to you. But I mean, I refuse to take that stuff. Okay. So in Canada,

“we were banned. We were like literally, we're hard for what we were forbidden to go to restaurants,”

for bidon to go to the gym, for bidon to leave the country, for bidon to go on a plane, for bidon to go on a bus and I said, screw that, I don't care. I'm going, I'm out of the box. I'm going to do my own thing. I drive everywhere. I don't care. You know? And I'll eat in the car by, you know, sub zero temperatures in the winter at night, traveling to meet, you know, another person I want to interview, whatever doesn't matter. But during that time, these relationships

we had, I had built around the care-opractic profession in particular. I've not just that. Became so valuable because they also were going through similar experiences. So we were spending hours together on the phone, on zoom, sharing and talking, supporting each other. And that is wonderful. It's so valuable. Makes us stronger and richer. Those, those things that happen in some of those circumstances that were horrible, man, they really brought some really good. They taught you a lot

and made you become less reliant on certain aspects and more reliant on yourself or other people. You know what I mean? And that's, that's once again goes back to taking what looks like a negative

and taking something really beautiful out of it. So I'm assuming that you are always

getting something like that with all of this working, getting to travel because I guarantee without even asking you, you do it all this travel, especially in an RV, stuff happens constantly. Right, frankly. And lots of challenges. Yeah, happen. I mean, like when we came down on that trip, we left Canada. We were in the Okanagan Valley. We have a home in a small town called Oliver's really cute there, in the middle of vineyards, in the desert of the Okanagan.

And we start driving and we spend a night somewhere and then the next morning I start driving and it's ice. The road is literally, it's a small road to get down to Yakima and then Portland. Yeah, and it's completely ice. And I'm driving a van. It is. And I'm thinking, and we have a deadline. We have to be on a specific day, you know, in California, to spend time with both. And that was

“very important for me, obviously. So here you go. You know what you do? You know, so it's, the challenges”

are there. So we are kind of looking at different ways to drive there. But it comes with a sense of adventure. What's interesting is, can you do, can you do that when you're 70, 70? That was one of the motivating factor for me to do the new film. Because to turn 70 was kind of traumatic for me.

Even though I had done your second 50, the first one, rising above the fears of aging 10 years before.

So now I'm turning 70. I'm thinking, hey, Laura, you better walk your talk. You better implement some of the things you were talking about 10 years ago. But 70 was a number that was hard for me to kind of wrap my head around. I could not believe, I don't connect with being 70 years old. So again, the idea is forget about that as David Spree says in the film at some point when I interviewed David Spree said, forget years. They are old school. I love them. They are old school.

Forget that. I celebrate a percentage of my goal. So if my goal is to be 120, I'm only celebrating a percentage of that. Forget years. They are old school. So I had to kind of really center myself back into that mindset because you're second 50. That's like, okay, you know.

chronological age and are telling me, what you're driving to Florida, you know, I could never do that.

“Well, if you want to do it, you can. Yeah. No, you can. I mean, look, if you want to do anything,”

you figure out where to do it. Play an example. And people, people are so quick to give up and not even try something that they don't even do it. So you guys are, you guys are at the road a lot. So what is a typical year look like for you? Are you just going all over the United States? Or like driving everywhere? Do you ever have a place where you set the state for a little bit or like the place? For me, that's my boat when I'm in Vancouver. I mean, my office is in Vancouver. The

boat is in Vancouver. That's where we are. And outside of that, our home is a van. So when we travel, of course, there was a lot of traveling during the making of your second 50, listen to the lion. Now is going to be focusing on online summit, thriving in your second 50 that we are launching at the end of February. And for that, we don't need to be traveling as much. So once I am back in Vancouver,

“after that trip, I think traveling back to the States, not going to happen until March or so.”

I think changing life and destiny is going to be the next place where the theme is going to be screen in the U.S. as a big event. So I'll have some time to regroup and do some work that, when that travel is difficult to do sometimes. So are you traveling to go interview people and sit with them and talk with them or what's the... When I film, when I film, yes. And it's you know, coordinating with the film crew, organizing all of that and filming the visuals, all the

scenery, the bureau, the organizing all of that. And I'm going to start the process soon again for the new project. But right now, the focus is more on the summit, the online summit, and for that, we don't need to travel as much. Because the interviews, some of the people we haven't captured yet for the summit, we still have a three or four weeks, maybe to do that, I will do it by zoom. What's the summit? So swiving in your second 50, if not now, when is a tagline? So it's a four-day

summit, my wife Jennifer, is the architect of the summit that's really per thing. And the summit has four different days that are organized around different themes. So for example, one day is a theme of stem cells, peptides, exosomes, hormones, another one. Yeah, another day is a theme, the theme of the brain, you know, cognitive health, where we have people like Dr. Bob Potter, Dr. Dale Braderson, Dr. David Permute, like that there. So each day is a different theme and the goal of the summit.

Every time we do a film, and this is our second summit, we did one, five years ago, around a film on chronic pain. So one of our film was on a scale of one to 10, I wanted to help people who've been struggling with chronic pain and didn't find a solution. So I wanted to show them

out of the box ideas and solutions and modalities and therapies that they may never have considered,

because they didn't know. That's the film. But the problem was, most interviews in the film were only two or three minutes. So the idea was with the summit is to take the whole interviews, edit them a little bit to make them clean. But have people be able to really go deep into what this expert really wanted to come. These aren't like live talk, or if you went and recorded interviews, then you're putting your people to watch. Okay. All right, I hope you got some solid names

that you're dreaming of there. We have some amazing people, we have some big names, amazing people,

but we also have regular people who are not known, but regular people who do amazing things in

the second 50. That's great. And that could be in any, it could be in their sport. I love sport. I think it's amazing. And my sport is table tennis. I'm actually going to compete in the US Open again in Las Vegas, not next week, but the week after some doing F4M. And so no next week, next week is a US Open. So I'm going to be competing from Tuesday, until Sunday every day, at the US Open for the third time. Two, that's sweet. I love it. I love it. Also, there's a lot of good

people in my space, this space, everything. But there's people that are kind of money demanding.

“So I guess my question is, are people, you have to pay people, do they just do it for you?”

Or like, typically in the relationship I create, it goes back to maybe, it's hard to explain.

So I used to own that company where we developed the patient education software program.

“It became really big. We saw the hardware and software and the content to other 3,000”

caloperative clinics all over the world. We had a coaching program for caloperators called the past Wexelons. And then we organized seminars for caloperators called the art and sort of caloperatic seminar series. They were weekend long seminars all over North America with really big names. And over the years we've developed really cool relationships. And because of that, I guess when I'm doing a film, I'm lucky that I can pick up the phone and people and call and they say,

yes, if they are available and we make it happen. So that's kind of the way it has been done. We already have the cost of making a feature lens documentary like that's very high. I mean between the all the technical, the the cool, the the travel cost, the editing cost, the buying music ride, buying sometimes we have to buy stock. We tried to avoid buying stock because we like to keep our film with a kind of a unique look and feel. So I tried to avoid

with trying to use our own visual, you know, library basically and create our own visuals for each film.

So that's kind of the way we do it. You know, I was most of these people, we money is not doesn't become an obstacle. It's not there. I don't think it should be. Now, I like to be more organic authentic. There has to be a desire on the other end as well. It has to be an exchange, and usually, you know, the people that I have in the film they like that concept of your second 50, they want to share things that will help their audience as well, navigate the second

part of their life better. Do we all have ways to make money when it's an opportunity to be put in front of people and help and get your word out? That's priceless. It shouldn't be needing paid for that. That should be something that you are blessed, even at the opportunity to be asked

“to do in my view. I think so. You know, and I think we do good work that so far, all speakers”

are in the film who have seen the film they're very happy. They love it. We all have to work to make money so people get that lost in translation. However, everything doesn't have to be about that. I mean, you're blessed to be in that position to even have somebody want to hear what you

have to say. That's the way I look at it. I always, I don't care how busy I am, just like today,

to get you in here, I had to go bend over backwards, but it was well worth it to me. Well, I do. I appreciate that very much. You know, you appreciate anything. My point is that I wanted to, and because, you know, I knew you had one chance to get here, and I was like, man, I'm taking a bandage of it. But it's an interesting thing. And I think we talked about music. You could be to beat. I think you. Oh, I do. Yes. I do. And I am the biggest music fan of the planet. I listen, man.

I DJed several years, but my wife, she'll always ask me, how the hell do you know the words to every song of every genre? And I've got my, if you saw my record collection and CDs at home, you'd be like, too. What is going on here? Well, it's it's going to be how to impress me with that. It's your right word or older than me. Oh, my stuff now is in storage because when you leave on the board, the Rolling Storage for two years has been on storage. But, and you know, it's interesting,

a side note. But at the time, I was really attached to all that stuff. Yeah. My books, my music, my records, my CDs, my DVD, my trophies, my table tennis trophies and medals. You know, I had a literally a cave, you know, you know, all of that. Well, all of that was, and it was like kind of my universe. Yeah. And I thought there's my pictures on the wall that were dear to me. And it's been storage for two years. Do I miss it? Not at all. It's not important. No. It doesn't matter

because what's important is what's inside of you. Yeah. And that you can take anywhere you go. I know. So, so that is a lesson you learn the hardware as well, potentially. But music is so important for me.

“That's how I started really listening to my parents who are really music lovers. My dad was”

really big on the jazz, New Orleans jazz. He had an amazing collection of 78 RPMs, you know,

his very heavier record. And even organized some concerts for Sidney Beshett and some of these musicians. I mean, some of the big names, names of the New Orleans jazz. That was a passion. But he was also in a lot of classical music and he loved some of the French, very big names of the time, the George Brassan's Leo Ferien, a lot of these big names. So as a kid, I grew up listening and hearing

I heard the French song music that was so amazing poetry and wrote that. And then I went into that

field. And so, and it to me, music is every day, I would say pretty much every day, I listened to probably at least a couple of hours of the music I really love. And, and before going to bed, I usually do immerse myself to listening to some pieces of music that uplift me or, you know, in a spiritual way, I would say because it is, in my case, the most direct connection to a spiritual realm of life. The new film, I dedicated it to Van Morrison. So the new film is dedicated to Van Morrison,

I said at the point, a lot of the chords in the film and the chord that I sang the camera at the end of the film are directly taken from Van Morrison's, some of Van Morrison's songs. That's awesome. And the song I have playing at the end was the end credits was actually a written by his ex-wife,

Janet Planet Morrison, who was his muse when he did his first album like Astral Weeks and Mundans

and all of that, to Plohoni and all of that. And she, connected with her and she was excited about the project, she gave me the rights for the song which was so grateful. So I hope Van, Van, the man. I hope somehow he's going to see the film and I think through hopefully through Michael Beckwith with the spiritual, you know, I probably know Michael Beckwith is very close friend of Van Morrison. He actually had Van Morrison's sing live at some of his events. So I hope

“that's through him because that's why it's through his lawyers and all of that. It's impossible”

to get through him that way. I have to find another way. But I'm very persistent and very stubborn, got to be. And actually Van Morrison is going to be giving some concerts in a, at the end of February in San Francisco. He had one book, it's sold out right away. He had another one sold out right away. So now he had the third date which I'm planning to be at. I'm going to buy some tickets for that. So we'll see, but yes, the connection with music is huge for me. I listed all kinds of music

and like nine inch nails was a concert I wanted to see forever and they came here.

My wife's never been to any kind of concert like that where it was a little bit harder rock,

but still really, you know, what was the band? Nine inch nails. Oh, yeah, sure. And so we went and it was, I've been to private, 40, 50 concerts in my life. And this was so far beyond. And they're coming

“back in March and every bot take it's like to it to go back again. That's how good it was.”

Now you're inspiring me to listen. Oh, and to watch some of you should listen to it, man. They're coming back in March. What a show like it's like a, we say a life altering show because of how amazing it was in the music. But my stepson was over recently and and I was telling him I said, you don't know what it's like to listen to music on a record player on vinyl. He never listened to it. And I said, okay, as soon as I put that thing on, you should have seen this face. Because to me,

and I was born in the 80s, my dad had a, it was a huge like record and record person and I've listened to everything, eight track records, tapes, CDs, most of the stuff nobody in that would listen to. I want your thoughts, but to me, there's nothing like listening to a good vinyl. I mean, I personally, what do you, what, well, I'm just talking my language. But I, when I said that, you don't have that issue. Because you're young guy, chronologically,

I'm 70 chronologically. So if I mentioned that, it makes me look like again, an old father. Oh, no, no. Well, but this is interesting. What you're saying is interesting. There's two things that come to mind. Number one, you're absolutely right. There's nothing like listening to actually a record on a good high five system. Yes. Why? Because the quality of the vinyl quality gives you a warmth and a rounded sound. Thank you. That you cannot get even from a CD. You just cannot.

You have on a CD or Spotify. You get more of a metallic sound. It doesn't have warmth to it. There is a price to pay, but I don't think it's a big deal. Yes, once in a while on the record, you may hear some scratches, but it comes with a territory. Yeah, that's one thing.

“But the second thing is equally, if not, more important in my opinion. When you actually”

put a record on a term table, there is actually a process and it's almost like a ritual. For me, it's a ritual. You first of all look at the cover of the album. Some of this cover are beautiful artwork. Yeah. Then there is line on notes. Then you take the record

Then you put it on the term table and make sure the needle is clean and you start and it's part

of an if you have friends there and you're excited to share the music with them. They are here. They're sitting down. The glass of wine, maybe. And they're excited to listen to the album, but then you share the cover and they can look at the line on notes. Yes. And then before that, there is another part of the experience. I've experienced so much for many years. I would go to a new city. Let's say, I would park the car. I would look at on a map. We

did not have Google Maps on a map paper. Where the record stores were and I would park the car and I would walk. Sometime for hours to go to a record store and very excited to look into the the record to find that record that I was looking for for maybe months or years and so excited and also excited to ask question. So the says guys, I mean the record store. There's a great movie. I forgot his name. Anyway, a great movie that actually is set around the record store.

“And I think Jack Black is in that film. Yes. I know what you're talking about. Yes.”

Now high fidelity. Yes, that's it. Okay, that's it. What are the other things that I really appreciate? As much as a music fan as I am when you have a CD and you can just skip songs, and skip songs and skip songs. You turn a record on you. Let it play. You don't go up there and you don't want to move the needle around too much because you know you're going to ruin your record and you don't want to mess the way up on the needle. So we bought a pool table when I moved

into my house and Iowa right after we moved in and the me and my wife had a ritual where we'd go down there and we'd play for like an hour and all I would do was play music. And I realized as much as I thought I knew about music and oh that's my favorite band or rapper or that's my favorite artist. I was skipping over half the songs because I thought that I didn't like them and I wanted to keep listening to the same songs over and over. You know how much I learned that I missed

and that I was like a hundred percent. Actually, Dylan, if I can say that, the most interesting

songs or pieces of music sometimes are the ones that do not reveal all their beauty at the first

reason. That's exactly right. A hundred percent. So my favorite band is Stone Temple Puyler.

“It's to me it's them and everybody else. Like that's how I rate. That's why now you're motivating me,”

you're inspired. Yeah, it was so listen to them. Yes, you have to. Well, let me some links. Oh, send you everything. I'll do it right when we're done. It's like the music documentaries. So I mean, that's really my space. It is the bear the best of the best and I think you'll understand we listen to them. They had a certain style of music and it's like alternative music where it's not too heavy, but there's there's some personal heaviness to it's grunge era music in the 90s. And then they

came out with this album called Tiny Music and it was completely different. And at the time, I was like, man, you know, I was in eighth grade and I didn't grasp it. You know, my favorite album is now after I listened to it. It's tiny fucking music. This is the thing, what when artists, great artists, great musicians, they go one way and usually they want to innovate. They want to change, they get tired of doing the same stuff. That's the stuff that maybe the record house wants

them to do because it works. It's successful. But it doesn't satisfy them at a creative level anymore. You know, Brian will listen from the beach boys. This is why he did pet songs. The beach boys, they had all these huge hits and they were cruising and he came up with a concept album pet songs like, wow, and his band is, why do you want to value crazy? He had that drive that desire to innovate, do something different. The greatest musicians, they usually don't stay

“stuck in doing always the same thing. And I think that's maybe why you've discovered the beauty”

and behind that album that at first he didn't reveal itself. So I was really lucky to be able for my music documentary to live death and beyond the music of magma to have Robert Trujillo, the best player from Metallica, agreed to be interviewed in his home in Venice, California. And to have Jelobia Frad, the dead Kennedy's, I interviewed him at four in the morning in San Francisco. He was amazing. Guys crazy. But I love him. He's just genius. You know, he was really

maybe the first punk rocker. And also, we have all these amazing musicians,

Trigon from King Crimson, doing that film was an extraordinary adventure. But over time,

yourself over and over. It's like a character on a movie or you do too many comedies and then it's like, oh, that's not so funny anymore. You know what I mean? And like, and if you what I find to be the most satisfying and successful is to be able to step out of the box and do something

different and resonate and then go people go, oh, then you can always go back to doing that

because then they miss it. Sometimes, you know, you see great actors doing that. Yeah, where they are typecast in doing just comedy, for example. And they step out of their comfort zone and they do a movie where it is like a drama and they're all is really more tragedy than comedy. Yeah, many people have done it in carriers. And then really I'm so many, so many more. And for them, you know, at a creative level, it's very satisfying. Yeah, but even if it doesn't work,

you can still go back and people will miss what you didn't want it to go back. Otherwise, people get accustomed to stuff. They take it for granted. It becomes stale. So when you do that, you may smash or you may just get them wanting you to go back again. It's that ties together when we talked about how to find new sources of energy. Yeah. There's a new source of energy. When you step out of your comfort zone, right, you bring something new. So how do you relate

that to what you do? About a hundred percent, how do I really do that? All I've done is changing stuff

“in my life. I think even today, keep, like for example, buying an RV and for the last two”

years going on the road, this is new. Right. It's a wealth out of my comfort zone. It's like, you know, so why not? How many states have you been to? I would say probably 25, maybe more. Where have you been that would have sounded like a place on these, on last two years? Yeah. Because I've done more states. I've probably gone everywhere. But in the last two years, I would say, yeah, everywhere. Where would you say you've been

that surprised you the most in terms of a place you baby would have never even considered going

or never thought of going, you got them or like, whoa, this is amazing. But days, I find beauty,

I try to find beauty in every scenery, in every little town, which right through, you know, I had like states like Alabama, I had never gone to Alabama, Mobile, Alabama, I'd like, you know, and I drive through it and say, wow, this is, this is very nice. And I like meeting people, and I, I, I, I'm the kind of guy, I strike a conversation anywhere with anybody. I just love I love it. I go and I talk to people. Yeah. I just love it. And you never know, sometimes you

really have connections that start just from a random, you meet somebody on the parking lot when you park your RV and you start chatting, yeah, I like your dog or like your cow, whatever,

“and then you start a conversation. Yeah. It's very interesting. Yeah. I think it's because I”

had a lot to tell stories. There's a lot of beauty that God has made out there if you take the

time to look. I, I always used to think it was so lame to look at scenery and look at this

and that and I've realized that's actually the best part of my day now. It's when I look, when I do this simple drive now, just when I go to the gym for my house and it's all skyline and mountain and I'm just sitting there going, man, I am really blessed to be able to look. Yeah, and I think to answer your question more fully, well, I've seen the most beauty consistently is probably in the state of California outside of British Columbia, which is so stunning and beautiful

and the Rocky Mountains in Alberta. I would say the state of California has so much to offer. I have been also stunned to see how beautiful Monument Valley is. Monument Valley. The Grand Canyon, yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. You know, Monument Valley driving on this highway with this

“red earth and these structures coming out of the ground literally blew me away. I think it's one of”

the most spiritual places and I love New Mexico. Yeah. We love Santa Fe, but it's all, it's all beautiful. I mean, you know, except Kansas. Drast of worst driving driving so Kansas, I don't, I don't wish it to my worst and I mean, I was going to stay in Nebraska and Kansas or the two worst of the worst. So if the anybody, no, I'm not saying brilliantly are all depressed to even hearing it. So trust me, you know, what one always surprised me, because when you think of California, because you brought

that up, you always think of the beach and the sun, but when you get up into northern California, and you really get up north, like way north. The red, but the red lands, what's it? Yeah, then you though, yes, yes, and you get into those big red wood trees and the big red forest, yes, even San Francisco is north, but that's not really north. I'm doing, we did highway one,

challenging road, especially with an RV. Yeah, true, but it is stunning, beautiful. I just did a podcast, and I flew to Spokane and I drove to Idaho, and I'm telling you, I was like, I call, I was like, this is God's God. But Boise is beautiful. Well, I drove into sandpoint right over the border there, and I mean, this lake or whatever. Long time not is beautiful. Yes, it's long time not. Those are state. I was wanting to go to the beach every year and I told my wife we're done, we're going to go see some

other cool stuff. I love the beach, but I want to go see more of like what we're talking. It's beautiful. And I bet when you do a documentary or something and you get to go to all these places and see people's backgrounds and then the different environments and everything. But it's also because to me,

nature in the film, I would say we have all all great amazing characters, experts, speakers,

whatever name you want to give them. But there are two of the main characters in the film, one is music and the other one is scenery. Nature is omnipresent. It pretty much all of my films.

“Because I think nature, I always say nature and love are the two greatest healing powers. I agree.”

And also nature is beside music is how I connect with the spiritual dimension of life. So that's one of the reasons why we spend so much time traveling physically through states like Montana and Idaho and filming in California. Not necessarily the beach, but areas that are more remote. Yeah. Going and that filming in the Rocky Mountains of the Canadian Rockies and and rainforest in British Columbia. It's just because I, it's also I like people to travel

when they see the film. Do either documentary for me should not be, I'm not interested in doing a collection of talking ads in other worlds and interview. Then another interview and that doesn't interest me. I want people to have some kind of experience when you watch a film. This is why there is a comedian in my film. Humor, I had a comedian in my first your second 50 as well. So I want to make people laugh. I want them to travel. They see at that scenery. Wow, this is

beautiful. Where is that? We should go there. Get them to dream about traveling. Get them to laugh. Get them to listen to beautiful music. It all compliments. Whatever we want to say in the film. Absolutely. Man. I can't believe we're like the conversation because I mean,

I always just have conversation right here, but I could just like just bullshit with you all day,

man. It's good because I feel really good about where it goes because it's always feels like we're touching on something important for life. Everything we talked about. I mean, because when we're talking here, we're breaking down deeper detail into what we're talking about.

“That's where I'm from the moment I met you. That's what I enjoyed because it's I have great”

conversations with people all the time, but the depth of the conversation and what am I pulling out of it? What am I what am I gaining from the conversation is just fun? Sure. I get a lot of those, but what can I take home with me later? I pulled like 85 different things out of you in an hour that I'm going to take home at a resonate with. Thank you. That's a great compliment. Well, it is. And it's a pleasure to have you here. And I don't give that compliment because I don't have

those kind of conversations a lot. You know, and that to me is more valuable than as great as hearing about, oh, we could talk about stem says and all of that. So many people are told of all they bet those in that can. But for me is great because that's great, too, because everybody has to learn about it. But when you can just like get so many things to resonate with it, teach you about different aspects of life. I can coach all day on health. I can coach all day on your mind and

everything. Sometimes people just need to pulse them. Some things out of a conversation that just everyday life affect them or they don't have to study so hard or understand a science. They can just go, man, that help because it resonated and it made you feel good and it made you look at other parts of life. That's exactly it. And so we got a little bit of both today. So your conversation was double valuable to me. It really was. So moving forward, what aside from here,

“some at now that you were talking about, when is that and then what can we expect moving forward?”

So the summit is going to be launching at the end of February. People can watch the film for free and automatically be enrolled into watching the summit for free while it's live. The summit will be end of February. The film, they can watch it for free pretty much any day now. I think our website

is going live any day. The website is your second 50 life and it's all spelled out in words. There's

click on watch the film for free and they put their email address and they have the film. They don't

“need to give a credit card. There is no gimmicks. It's just completely free, no commitment. And”

so the summit, very exciting to have the summit going as well at the end of February, it will be live. All the information once their register to get to watch the film, they will receive emails notifying about the summit and at the same time I'm already starting to plan the next project,

which will be around your second 50 concept as well. But in another dimension. All right,

so that's going to be a lot of your next several years then, basically. We'll see. I mean the next two years for sure. I, you know, it's wow. I don't like to project myself too much in the future. I kind of think more like when we get a time. But I just want to do things that excite me and motivate

“me and and I want to do things that I believe is going to have the same impact on other people.”

If it excites me, I know there are people out there who will be excited as well. Thor, you kind of get used to now this kind of moving around lifestyle and traveling around. That doesn't bother me at all. I think one of the keys to aging is we have to keep moving. Yeah. Physically, mentally, we have to keep moving. I think the big problem when you see people in their 50, 60, 70, 80 is they become rigid. They become rigid physically. The physical body becomes stiff.

And they become there is some rigidity in the mind that happens as well. So for me, the trick is to keep moving and table tennis for me is fantastic that way because your fully engaged physically is very demanding physically. People think ping-pong playing in the basement. No, table tennis at a US open level is very demanding physically. The whole body is engaged. The knees, the hips, the torso, the arm, the everything is engaged and the brain. Where do you play if you travel all the time?

I play. Actually, I look at the club in Phoenix. I travel with all my gear with me and I play

all over the United States, all over Canada, I play New York, I always have my gear with me.

So I look at the closest, I mean the table tennis clubs and then I go, I meet the local players and play with them. I have a ranking in the US, I have a ranking Canada so I can play pretty much anywhere. And that's great. So I think to keep moving next time, that sounds right me to play. I mean,

“you should kick my ass but find out play. It's not the point. It's the point. It's to have great”

Riley's general and to have a good time. I used to play a lot. I'm a tennis player, but I always take it to either pickleball or ping-pong, so I'd love to play it, man. That'll be fun. That would be awesome. Well, dude, I can't believe the time flew so fast on us, but I guess it did. So is there any other places people can follow you online or where they could keep up? Well, we have the Facebook group, your second 50. We have an Instagram group, of course, page. We have a YouTube channel.

We have my LinkedIn, your second, and sorry, a long old scene on LinkedIn. So we have several ways, but the website, your second 50 life.com is we need a hub for all of that. Okay. We'll link everything in the description for you then. And man, great, great time talking with you. I really appreciate you coming. And I'm so glad that I was introduced to you and got to meet you. And hopefully we have a lot more conversations on the road. I feel pretty good about that. So thank you

so much. Again, like I said, everybody, I hope this was inspirational. And I definitely recommend that

you check out everything that my man Lauren is doing. He is amazing as you can see. Oh, that being said,

stay tuned for plenty more to come, Dylan Jamelli, bye and all. Thank you very much.