Canadian Sporting Arms & Ammunition Association w/ JENN GADBOIS | The GoHuntBirds.com Podcast

My guest today is Jan Gadwah.

“She's the managing director of the Canadian Sporting Arms and”

Ammunition Association. Try to say that five times fast. Also known as the CS AAA, they are an organization that promotes and protects the legal rights of manufacturers, importers, resellers, and stakeholders in the Canadian shooting sports industry.

I met Jenna dinner a few weeks ago and I wanted to get her on the podcast to chat about why people should be aware of their association and what they do for us as hunters and generally just wanted to chat and find it a little bit more about the CS AAA on my own. So I figured I'd have Jan on to tell us about it and hopefully we get some

information from her today. So enjoy the show. [Music]

So yeah, so Jan, welcome to the second episode of "You're going to have a

news conference at the end of the show, and I'm going to tell you about it. I'm going to tell you about your news conference at the end of the show. I'm going to tell you about your news conference at the end of the show. I'm going to tell you about your news conference at the end of the show. I'm going to tell you about your news conference at the end of the show.

I'm going to tell you about your news conference at the end of the show. So yeah, so Jan, welcome to the show. It's a beautiful spring day, and one of the touch space with you and chat we had met at the dinner there last week, and although I didn't have a huge chance to chat with you, I figured you know what, let's follow up with a podcast and kind of

find out a little bit more about the Canadian sporting in arms associations stuff. Our ammunition, sorry. Canadian sporting arms and ammunition association. There we go. It's a long one.

It's a long one, but so yeah, so welcome to the show. Thank you. It was awesome to meet you at that dinner. That was a really good dinner for sure. Good crowd.

Did you read? Thank you for having me. Do you generally go to a lot of those dinners? I'm starting to get into the more and more. I started working for CS AAA two years ago, so that really opened up a lot more opportunity

to go up to dinners like this and do speeches, and meet more of the hunting and firearm community in general. We're not in cool. So before we kind of get into that, then let's go back. Tell us who Jenny is.

Where are you from? What do you do? What's your passion and hunting?

“And how did you get into hunting and kind of just give us the origin story of who Jenny is?”

Nice. Yes. Absolutely. So I live in Eastern Ontario, really close to Cornwall, which is probably a bigger landmark than a little town I live in, over 300 people.

I got into hunting and sports shooting right after college, didn't grow up around it,

but it's definitely something I was always very interested in.

Then after college, I had, you know, a little bit more time and very little, but a little bit more money to kind of take the course and start getting into it. So I graduated from the Hunter's Headquarters as well as my PAL course, but the cheapest job done I could find, got some hunting permission and kind of started that way. Learning you guys like, oh, lots of reading and research and asking friends and watching

YouTube videos and now listening to podcasts really helps, now that podcasts are more and more of a thing if I want to kind of target a different species and learn that way. So I do a lot of hunting, a lot of waterfowl, goose looking forward to snow goose, that's open here, but just have to wait for the snow goose to arrive. I think they're going to show up soon.

I think the birds are on their way now. Actually, I did. I had the window open in my office a few minutes ago before we started reporting and I heard geese flying. So I'm like, I need to try and maybe get out this weekend, we'll see.

Yeah. Yeah. So as far as I didn't go, I just do lots of waterfowl, turkey, deer, a little bit of coyote.

“In sports shooting, I, if you want to work at our local range and I'm on the board there,”

it's really nice to be able to get more wind and more people into the sports shooting. The organization that I work for is a CS AAA, they've been around since the 70s and they're the organization that represents gun and hunting businesses in Canada and the board is made

men and women I know when it comes to the gun and hunting industry, so amazing mentors

for me. Yeah. That's, that's me, I suppose. So how does somebody who didn't grow up hunting and kind of didn't get into it until I, I want to say probably early 20s or late teens become working in the fire arm industry,

you know, that's a bit of a transition for you. Yeah. For sure.

“I think I just, like, really, really dove in quickly into this and I kind of, you know,”

the first few hunts I went on, I'm like, yeah, this is definitely something I want to continue something I want to get into. So I started to really try and learn as much as I possibly could to make up for all the last time. And then after the May 2020 prohibition, I realized just how political, you know, the whole

fire arm case really was, I tried to avoid politics before then, but then, you know, they kind of started attacking a way of life that I really love and I'm like, well, I guess they've had our survey and attention. So once I really go into the politics, I started volunteering with different organizations and sort of building up connections that way.

So see how's the trouble I reached out and said, hey, we've got this position if you'd like to interview and send us your resume, we can see if you'd be a good fit and it all worked out from there. And here we are. So you get to spend a lot of time playing in the hunting circles and the hunting world.

That's cool. Yeah, it's great to meet all these interesting reps and so many new people. Some, I didn't really get into hunting until I was in my 20s either and same kind of same story. You got to do it more so through the friends kind of get me tag along and now I'm greatly

over complicating. It's pretty much all I do. You're around. Yeah. I hear you.

“And on the same as you, it's pretty much water-fowl and bird hunting, a turkey hunting.”

And a little bit of deer hunting, but not a ton, and then trying to chase the migration, go a west and hunt and go to the states and hunt, so it's been a lot of fun. Oh, that would be awesome. Yeah. I really, really hope I can let the goal kind of travel in the future or do some hunting outside

of Ontario. Yeah. And you're living pretty much in the primary for spring, snow, goose, and fall, snow, goose, and things. Have you shot a snow goose yet?

Have you been successful? Yeah. I have. So a couple of years ago, I hunt mainly on my in-laws farm that got a lot of crop there. So of course, the geese can be pretty destructive when it comes to crop.

So they're always very happy to have people come and take care of that.

I've got a few snow goose that way. But I had a lot of success when I went out with CSS earlier in the air and the cadence, so women's society, we went for snow goose, and we had a great time, great group of ladies to go out. We went out with St. Lawrence on fitters, and it was an awesome time for sure.

Awesome. Yeah. I don't use the sound system or anything like that, or nearly as many de-coices they have, so seeing a big set up was pretty exciting. Well, you can't get better than both those groups, Dave and Josh at St. Lawrence are good

friends of mine, and Lorian has been a friend of mine for 20-plus years. Yeah. So it's a very small world. Lorian, and I went to college together, pre-hunting circle world. So I'm going to Lorian, since we were in our college days.

Oh, very cool. We're in some places. Yeah. She's been in my place here lots and stayed here many times on my house. I love it.

Okay. Good. Yeah.

I've gone fishing and hunting with those girls a couple of times and always see the mode

to show us some stuff now, and they're a huge asset to the-- Now did you go on the fishing trip this winter with those girls? Ice fishing? No. I did not.

I went to the one last year with the males. Okay. So my sister-in-law's may have been on that trip. The rape girls. Did you meet those girls?

I think so. All the sisters is for them, all fish and hunt.

“First, I believe there-- yeah, I do remember there was four girls that all came together.”

I feel like I might have been them. Yeah. So anyway, because I know they've been on a couple trips of Lorian, so they met Lorian through me. Oh, okay.

I don't remember how I ended up eating Lorian. I feel like we just stumbled upon each other in social media. I wouldn't imagine that's the case. That's how a lot of these relationships end to happen. Start to happen, so.

Yeah. So tell me a little bit more about your role than you know, have you down here as the managing director of the Canadian sporting arms and amunessance association, as you call it CS AAA. That's way easier to say.

So-- Yes. So tell me what you do. And tell me what the association is about, and why people should know about it, and--

No, 100%. So we do represent the only organization to fully represent the industry in Canada.

and the gun stores, they'll see all around those or our members.

And the board is completely voluntary.

“So we've got about 12 to 13 different major industry”

stakeholders that are members of retailers. I'm stores or distributors that distribute major products in Canada. They're on our board. We work to try and mold political policy,

so it's not as damaging for the community end industry. So we're the one organization that kind of gets to have those conversations with the government, no matter which government's in power. Unfortunately, right now, the government that we're working

with isn't the most firearm and hunting friendly, but we still get to have those conversations with them as a nonpartisan group, since we can't promote a certain party, we still get to speak to the ones that may aren't in favor of what we represent.

To have small wins to try and, you know,

it was many of our guns as possible. Like having the big list that was originally introduced in Bill C-21, showing them the actual economic impact that would have had on the businesses really open their eyes. So my role for that entire organization

is kind of executing the board's ideas, planning and executing any trade shows

“that they would have range days going to these events”

and helping educate on our cars and how the current gun laws are impacting the businesses and why this AAA does what we do to protect our businesses and how the business arena is completely different in a way from a consumer or individuals firearm usage,

or you know, not being able to, I guess I should say, like the businesses have these guns that are created registered to them. So they're kind of in a different situation than us individuals that have firearms registered

that us that might be prone to, like they have a risk of losing their business, their business license, their career or so. - Well, exactly, you know, like, - It's not awareness and promoting them

and I am, I'm their only sort of employee as big as the organization is, we run off the board and then me. So yeah, I kind of oversee the day to day. - It's a lot of, you know, like somebody like you and I

who have, you know, maybe a gun safe full of guns or a couple of guns. And one of those guns that we own goes on that list, it's, you know, not a huge deal, but if you're a, business that's selling those guns

and you may have, you know, 50 or 100 of those guns kind of... - That's a big deal. - Yeah, it's insane, like, you know, and you know, these businesses work on, you know,

30, 60, 90 day terms, they're buying these guns. They have a bunch of money tied up in them and now they can't sell them, nor can they get rid of them, nor can they return them to the distributor.

They're kind of in limbo, you know? - Precisely, yes, exactly. - That's the scary part, and it would be, you know, great to say, you know, we're not getting up, or anything like that, but then they're losing money

and they're risking their own business and they're lively. - Yeah, and it's, you know, from a sports shooting standpoint that gets not a huge, there's not a lot of people in Canada that do it when you look at the demographic

of, you know, 36 million or whatever,

the demographic is in Canada now. Like, I know from a waterfowse standpoint and I've referenced this number of lots and maybe you were aware of it, maybe you're not, but in Canada there's only about 125,000 people

that bird hunt, waterfow hunt. - It's been 25,000 people, it was the bird hunt. - And that's based on the waterfowse standpoint that you buy when you sign up to waterfow hunt

“at the start of the year, you buy that stamp, right?”

So, you know, the $20 stamp is an indicator of how many people are actually purchasing stamps and candidates around 125,000 people. And so I love that number, like how many of those people are getting out, maybe once or twice a year, if that.

- That's it, I mean, I've had friends, they're like, oh, I'll just purchase the stamp and case I wanna go out with you one of these days. - And then they don't go out, 'cause they have some cheap. So, yeah, that's true, probably even less.

- You know, so when you think of, like, from a waterfowse hunting standpoint, there's probably only about maybe 20 or 25,000, really hardcore legitimate waterfowse hunters that do it as much or more than myself

or maybe somebody like you, that gets so quite a bit. Whereas, you know, we don't have the advocates when it comes to stuff like that. They're just not the voice that's gonna be heard. When you're going to the government

or you're going to some of these bigger places to kind of get your voice heard. - That's so true, yeah, and I didn't even realize that the waterfowse community alone was so small, 'cause I mean, we could be such a huge voice

if we were able to get more people into it.

so it's kind of harder for somebody like myself

that just kind of started out hunting alone to go out and do a whole group hunt on their own. Kind of, it's not like deer, you just sit there. - Well, not like obviously, Barry of entries the equipment and the cost and the knowledge.

Like, like, you find it with enough for any alluded through other of these conversation, going out with a big spread, it's no goose decoise. You know, and I know that the spread that David Josh put out, they generally put it out.

At least 1,000 to 2,000 full body goose decoise. And if you were to buy those retail, they're about 20 to 30 bucks a piece, you know. - Yep. - Who has the money to go out and do that

“to maybe get out twice a year, you know what I mean?”

- Yeah, it doesn't make sense for sure.

- Same thing with goose hunting,

same thing with, you know, even duck hunting to an extent, I mean, little less need on the decoise, but then you're getting into dogs or boats or any of that. - Well, that's pretty exactly, I mean, that's more challenging because you need a way

to retrieve these ducks. - Correct, so it's a huge expensive hobby that we've kind of undertaken. - Yeah, that's true, and I don't even think about it. - You know, so I mean, the fire arm

is probably one of the lesser expenses when it comes to bird hunting. You can go out and buy a $500 gallon in a way you go and get your license in a way you go when it's, it's, everything that comes out.

- Everything that comes after it exactly, so. - Yeah, I mean, I'm sticking me years to build up

for what I have now for Canada goose even though.

- Yeah. - We're just gonna add on every year. - Everything has gone up in price,

“especially over the last couple of years since COVID,”

so imagine somebody getting into it now. You know, in 1819 year old, getting into goose hunting now on top of trying to pay for school or say for a house or whatever the case may be. So it's, you know.

- And that's it. That's the, it's difficult to, we have the fire arm. Business side because with handguns gone, a lot of the modern sporting rifles gone, distributors and businesses in general

are seeing a huge reduction in sporting ammunition, or sort of pistol ammunition and sporting equipment. And of course, they've lost so many firearms that they have an option to sell that the hunting equipment is gonna become more expensive as, you know,

they're having smaller imports, higher import costs, less businesses as businesses closed down because I mean, that the business environment is not very nice right now. - So is that something that the CSW AAA does more

of is trying to have a kid to get more people involved in hunting?

“- No, I'd say that's something that I kind of like”

who we definitely definitely promote hunting and promote the sports shooting, but we're more business oriented, so there's definitely the consumer groups, like, you know, CCFR NFAC, SSAC, USF,

they're great at getting the community involved in getting the community into the hunting and shooting, and that's kind of something I'll do on a personal end, aside from CSW AAAs, trying to promote that. - Gotcha, so CSW AAAs more from the business standpoint

for the business owners and the industry folks that are kind of players in the game. - So I noticed on the website, there's an option to buy a membership, why would a business want to sign up for that? What does that money get spent on and what does it,

I would imagine that it would be, at the end is helping the whole wheel move forward, but give me kind of a close notes on why a business would want to sign up to that. - Sure, so there are quite a few benefits.

We cover near CFIB membership, which can be a huge savings depend on how many employees they have, so the Canadian Federation of Independent Businesses, and they're a fantastic lobbying group for small businesses in general,

so at least we get that branch, and they offer a ton of business discounts and services and assistance if whatever business is having a hard time finding a supplier or merchant that deals with firearm businesses, some of them are kind of way potting firearm businesses,

unfortunately, so CFIB will at least help them find someone that can help, and then they get access to all of our trade shows, so we'll have trade shows throughout the year that are industry specific and industry networking shows.

They're also supporting our lobbying advocacy, as well as we'll go up to Senate and Parliament multiple times a year to lead our case for whenever bill, they're trying to push through at the time, and then we do quarterly round tables every three months,

where we have all of our industry members online, we go over what's going on politically, what's going on on boots in the ground, there's usually a lot of issues going on with the web portals that businesses have to use

to transfer firearms or import issues, shipping issues,

so a host round table so we can discuss any changes

that are going on answering questions, that people that are on our border in my eyes and in the eyes of many industry experts, so they're really great to lend a hand to any businesses that have questions about navigating things

in this really difficult regulatory environment. - Yeah, there's a lot of red tape involved there, especially when you're dealing with a government. - So make different services that they use, merchant services or shipping services

that just don't want to handle firearms or ammunition or anything like that anymore. - What about with the, in pretending to like traveling with a firearm or flying with a firearm,

is that fall under your expertise? - No, not really, we sort of refer them to, so call the firearm like our CMP, the firearm program or something like that, just so that they can get it straight from their mouths

get the documentation that they need.

- Like I know with a lot of people, you know, I've mentioned people like, oh, I'm gonna go hunt in the States and like, oh, you can't bring a gun across the border. And I stick, well yeah, there's a process

and there's paperwork that just fill out. - You can't, but... - Same thing with flying, flying at West to hunt and how are you gonna get your gun out there? Well, there's paperwork and, you know,

what the right case and the right blocks on it, it's not an issue, so it's... - Not a label.

“- Yeah, you know, it's, I think it's just”

a lot of general education needed for people that are in the hunting circles, you know? Most people generally hunt in, yeah, most people are just gonna hunt in the wrong backyard on their own couple of pieces of property

and not do a lot of traveling. So they're kind of a little bit oblivious to what's going on outside their backyard, but, you know, there's... - There's a lot of like inaccurate information

out there that I hear, right? I mean, I've heard that you're not allowed to use the handguns whatsoever now. We've been at a range, shouldn't it? Well, no, you're not allowed to transfer them,

you can still use them, or like you said, you can't travel with a firearm, you can't do this or that, yeah, people just need to be educated on the laws and... - Can't shoot a ghost, 'cause that's Canada's bird, right?

- Oh, my God. - Have you heard that one? - I have heard that one so many times, and when I say, you know, I'll just try and educate them and say, "You know, they're doing all that's not true."

Don't fight it, and I'll say, "No, no, it's on the website." I've had someone send me the screenshot,

and it's kind of, you know, the first thing

that Google will throw at you, and it's just the paragraph that said, "It's a protected bird, but they meant in the sense

“that there's regulations you have to follow”

to hunt it, you can't just, it's not open season. No limits, no nothing." - No, we, we as sports people need to do a better job of educating the non-hunting public, so... - Completely, and I feel like we're starting

to make a change in the red direction. I feel like more hunters are becoming more and more aware of how important the education piece is. - Oh, I know I'm seeing, I mean, with organizations like yours and the other firearms,

awareness, you know, stuff that I see online and the different companies that are becoming a little more educational. I think it is coming. I'm seeing a huge influx in women in hunting.

I'm seeing a huge influx in kids getting involved in hunting with their parents, especially after COVID with the need to kind of want to get out and get your own food and, you know, forage and hunt and that kind of stuff, so sad, it's good.

- Yeah, and you're like years ago, people felt that they had to hide what they were doing and be super, you know, hush, like, if we stay quiet, the government will bother us, people won't just like us, but that's not how it works.

I mean, the Sigma has built up so much that we have to get out there, we have to let people see us, let people see what we do and educate them on, you know, the ethics and regulations and everything that we follow.

- Exactly, well, listen, let's just chat a little bit more about Jen and a little less about government and politics. Tell me, yeah, about some of your hunting and scapegoats,

“what's been your favorite water for once in the last few years?”

- Oh, um, I had a, well, actually there was one that's kind of fun for me. I went out alone, got my limit pretty quickly, even when it was only like three at the time. Yeah, I guess I doesn't say much.

And then I called my, I'm gonna say it, I'm like, there's like so many birds lying and I need you to get out here and I need an extra limit or extra gun or something. So he came out with his friend,

we all got our limit, that was great. And yeah, I'd have to say the hunt that I went on with the Canadian Sports Woman Society, 'cause I don't generally go out, I don't get to go out,

I don't think what the group's the lady's often. There aren't too many female hunters that I know in my area just yet, so I haven't really been able to build up my own little community to go hunting waterfowler with on a regular basis.

I'll generally just go over either alone or with my fiance and a few friends that we can reel in at the time

and want to try waterfowl hunting.

So definitely the Snorke who's hunting went with Canadian Sports Woman Society would be one of my most memorable also. - And I think if I remember, that was just this past fall correct.

- It was. - 'Cause I know Lorraine had reached out to see if I could attend that

“and I wasn't able to make it, but I think you guys did somewhat well.”

Are you shot a bunch of birds? - Yeah, yeah, it was a really successful day, it was great. - Yeah, 'cause Snorke's hunting is generally fairly difficult. It's a little easier in the fall than it is in the springtime, but we don't live in the best area for it,

but we're just lucky enough that they kind of pass through that soathies, you know, part of Ontario. - Yeah, not really going to spring season. - Yeah, so. - So you're going to try to get us. - Season opens soon there, you're going to try to get out?

- Yes, absolutely.

And my, really, I shouldn't go for a turkey now,

that's like, I can't really decide, I think Turkey's more exciting for me in the spring than Snorke's. - Yeah, for me it is too, so have you shot a turkey yet? Have you been successful?

- Yeah, I got a few, didn't get one last year, unfortunately, I had a couple of Tom's in front of me, but you know, it was sort of the situation. I couldn't get a good shot, couldn't get them in close enough. There was one time last year that I was calling and calling

and I could see the Tom coming across the field and I had my blind up, but of course you went right behind my blind. But like, I'll please just come over a little bit more, but no, he went, he took off further into the woods. But my favorite turkey hunt, I got a Jake,

but it was last day of spring season. And he was at the field, I'll puffed up with a few hands and I was like belly crawling through the woods, turn it, get to 'em, see me and thank God, he didn't see me somehow.

So I took him and dad turned me on,

he was just always so exciting.

- Oh, it's a lot of fun. I try to get into the turkey woods, you know, 25, 30 days per spring if I can, just, you know, get out of myself, try to get my own tights fill, try to get my girlfriends tights fill, try to see who's got to,

hey, you want to get out of your gut to tag, let's go. And then, of course, we have the guests to come and hunt with, go on birds to come every year. So it's a lot of fun. So we live in a great area where I have a lot of places

to hunt right close to the house. And we live on the border where it's Quebec, Ontario, we can hunt both sides of the river. So we get a few additional tags that are non-reasoned that takes to go hunt over and Quebec. - Oh, okay, awesome.

I haven't been hunting about where you have. - Yeah, so, but I've never been up this way, we're up in the West-Meath Pembroke area. - Ah, not really, actually. - I don't know if you've ever been to wilderness tours,

we're the way water rafting is,

“you heard of that place, you've been to that place?”

- I've definitely heard of it, but I've not been outside where. - Yeah, so we're right close to there, right on the river here. So, we're in kind of the primary of from Waterfall, hunting in the fall of then, of course, turkeys are kind of all over the place in Ontario now.

So it's great, but in the fall of the waterfall, if you look on a map of Waterfall, kind of funnels a lot of it through here, based on the Ottawa River. So we get a great staging area all fall

for kind of the geese and ducks. I don't get a lot of snow geese here, that's more of your area of Ontario. - Yeah, so we definitely get the nice big dump of snow goose. - Yeah, awesome.

- Anything else you wanna chat with us about to the CS AAA before we sign out? Oh my gosh, let me think, I did go over a couple of points at the taste of the wild dinner. That might be a little bit helpful for hunters.

Just kind of to make them aware that firearms are still being added to that May 2020 prohibition list. I mean, I had turkey, I'm gonna use our turkey, I had hunting at it after the list was announced, and there's firearms constantly being added to that list.

And I would really hate for a hunter to kind of unknowingly be in possession of a prohibited weapon if the worst was to happen. So yeah, checking to armolidics.ca to make sure your gun isn't impacted by the prohibition

is a great resource, great way to stay safe and informed that you at least know what's being impacted. - So what does somebody do if that happens? Like you have a gun, you bought it, you own it, and then it ends up on that list.

So now why? I just have to kind of keep it in your gun safe the further notice. - You can't take it out, you can't shoot it, you can't do anything, you've got to leave it in your safe.

“There's an amnesty until October of 2025, I believe now.”

So you're allowed to have it in your home, but now gun ranges of said, you're not allowed shooting them at the ranges. If they're a formerly restricted firearm, then they just gotta sit there and collect us.

- And if from a government standpoint, I mean, we don't have the gun registry anymore. So how does the government know you have that gun? - Since it's a non-restricted firearm,

is if they listened to this podcast. (laughs) - Well, we're not gonna name any names of them. - We don't need all the models, so they won't. - Exactly, you know, but I'm just saying,

“I'm just saying in general, I believe it's a non-restricted,”

they don't know, and that's the crazy part, like, I'm thinking a few guys like in a realistically thing, you're gonna collect these firearms, I don't know. - Yeah, I don't understand the logistics around how they feel that this is gonna play out in a court.

What I really feel is gonna happen is we're gonna change governments. That's some juncture. Hopefully as soon as this year. And the next government, this is just gonna

come in and scrap that whole list, and it's gonna be just a big waste of taxpayer dollar, you know, and money, you know, that kind of stuff. So that's just my personal thoughts on it, you know? - I feel like our thoughts align.

- Yeah, so I don't know what you're allowed to say, not to say to, because you're representing an entire organization, but from my standpoint, you know, representing go hunt birds in my organization, that's what I feel's gonna happen.

I think there's a lot of people that are kind of not in the know that are making these rules and decisions that didn't really intruthfully, it's just gonna get scrapped the next kind, you know, we give a different person in power stuff.

- Of course, it's a political wedge, and I think they're gonna be really keen to use it when we have our next election, and then if this government doesn't make it through the next election and conservatives get in,

I don't think that that whole confiscation thing is gonna fly too far. - Yeah, I don't take so either, but we shall see what happens, but for current time, I mean, we're still all able to hunt and-- - Ah, exactly.

I mean, I pull myself away from the politics and try and get my head away from work and just focus on the positive, like getting more people out, educating more people, building up the community more,

“because I think at the end of the day, that's what we need.”

We just see more people educated, even if they're not gonna be hunting, at least they'll know more about hunting and that we're not just a bunch of Yahoo's. - Exactly, and that's been the premise of my business

from the get coach. I've been in business a little over 10 years now at the whole entire premise of what Go Hunt Burch does, is to share Bert hunting with people and to get more people involved, educate more people,

you know, kind of keep people in the loop, get them aware of other organizations and other people that are in the same past time or hobby that they are, and just generally grow the community, which is why we do podcasts like these.

- Yeah, and I think it's a great idea, because I mean, even as to get somebody out who's hunting, like it's set or waterfall-ending at all, it's just an exciting action-pack time, so it's not like I took someone out deer hunting

for the first time, and I was like,

"Oh, this isn't a great introduction, "because it's cold, we're not seeing anything. "I'm just sitting here, like, "starting at an open field, but at least for Goast, "you can talk, you can go and do things,

"you can call, you can have them coming in." - Oh, that's great, even if they're not shooting, and also it's a great introduction to hunting for children and kids, because they can bring snacks, they can talk, they can get up and move around,

they can make noise, they don't have to sit quiet, you know? - That's true. - There's generally dogs to play with, and you know, ideally other kids to play with, and other people that talk to you, and I have a little boy

this nine years old, and he's been coming water for a hunting with me since he's been about four, and also he loves it, and it's a lot of those reasons that I just mentioned, he can participate in it, without actually holding a gun, you know?

- Yeah, that's so true, right. - You know, it's a great introduction for people that don't hunt, that they wanna see what it's all about, that wanna come out and watch. You know, I've had a lot of people come out over the years,

they know, they wanna bring their girlfriend to their wife, and she comes and watches, or she comes and takes pictures, or she comes and does what, you know, watches their family dog,

“do its thing, and that's how the sport grows,”

but people coming down. - Oh, yeah.

- You know, so, yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to find,

because I always try to bring people out, and I'm like, oh, I'm not sure they have their hunting license and they're done license, but it would be nice just to bring someone out just to experience it and watch it, and then, yeah, I mean, watch and learn,

or watch it and see if it's something that they do wanna get to some of the thing that can go get licensed in. - Yeah, and that's how I got into it. And I didn't hunt the first couple of times, I went out hunting and buddy,

you might just say, hey, why don't you come with us? You don't have to, you don't even wanna go on, you don't need to just come along and hang out, all you need is a camel jacket and a hat, and you know, I already owned both those things,

and a couple of times out, and I was like, hey, how do I get my hunting license? Where do I sign up? What do I gotta do, you know, and especially in Waterfall hunting, it's not as bad now, but it was years ago,

like, you didn't bring people out, you didn't wanna show them your spots. It was kind of us, you didn't wanna share in case somebody took your spots or did it better than you,

and I never believed in that from the get go.

I'm like, why we don't wanna share this with whoever wants to come, right? So. - Yes, exactly, I think that this thankfully becoming an outdated way of thinking,

and I've completely heard about, especially from like, you know, older hunters, and I know, I feel like I don't tell anybody

Oh, I'm sure.

- There's gonna be more birds,

“but I can just shoot every bird mountain,”

and we're gonna be fine. - And it's funny, you know, speaking to Lorian, I did a podcast with her a number of years ago, probably if you go back on the archives and look, and there's a podcast that we did with Lorian,

and her getting into hunting was the fact that she married a guy that, who's, it was a family thing, you know, the wives, the kids, the girlfriends, everybody went. Lorian grew up in a hunting family

that didn't bring their women out. It was, oh, women didn't, weren't allowed to go. Women didn't go hunting. They stayed at home while the guy's went hunting. And when, you know, she met her husband,

and they got married, that that was part of her introduction was the fact that she could go out with her family

and her husband and, you know, go,

and it was a family thing, and, you know, that was kind of her real introduction to hunting. So it's interesting, how the tide is changing, and like I said, there's way more women involved than hunting now, you know, we've done ladies,

weekends here, many years, the last bunch of years. Through Jason St. Michael, who was at the dinner there, we were with Jason and was involved in our 150 program for kids, and we used to take 20 kids out hunting every fall. So we, we've seen it grow.

- Yeah, and I feel like it's, it's great, because women are really building up a huge inclusive community. I mean, even on social media, it's just so big now. It's much as I hate it, and hate to say it, but, yeah, I just have a great community of ladies

that I follow on social media that are all into that. Bores and hunting, and they'll, you know, post videos and pictures of them out hunting with their kids and their families and stuff, and it just brings a whole other perspective to the whole lifestyle

and sport and general, seeing these women out there, seeing them bring their kids, seeing women out through doing it alone. Yeah, totally different than it used to be, and it's great. - No, it is great, so actually, as we speak right now,

my one system, I was down in Kansas, doing a snow goose hunt down there, whether with my father, and also sneaking away. So it says, it's awesome to see women involved. So, totally, absolutely.

- Listen, before we let this go, we're, can people find you and how can they get a hold of you and how can they get involved with the Canadian sporting AAA and, and kind of where, who should get, you know, who, who your target audience,

who should be reaching out to you to see what they can do or to be involved, and I want to say it's probably more business owners. - Yes, if anybody in general wants to reach me on the socials,

“I think my little handle on everything is at Jen,”

J.E. and D.V.C., Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all that fun stuff. And see us AAA, yeah, so we're see us AAA official, we deal with the business side, so if any business is wanna reach out,

[email protected], I would be more than happy to explain more about what we do and let them know how we're promoting and protecting businesses and how we service businesses. But yeah, on the hunting and fishing and wild game,

cooking side, my personal socials have all of that, and I love answering questions. If anybody's sort of crossing the questions about getting out as a first time hunter or female hunter or anything like that. - Awesome, and then just on a little side note,

how awesome was the meal that Andrew put on if that didn't last weekend? - What kind of goodness, that was amazing. - I love that Mahima who I was. - Me too, so I, little side note,

I snuck away about with three plates of those 'cause a couple of the guys didn't know what it was or didn't want to eat raw fish, and I was like, "Oh, I will have yours." - Yes, I would have definitely gone back from war

and the bearers' sliders were always a staple

and anything he makes, I think. - Yeah, no, his food is so good. - I don't know, food, yeah, that's definitely somebody that people need to check out the wilderness chef. - Cool, well, he is on this podcast very shortly,

if not, maybe by the time this one airs, it will air ahead of yours, so. - Oh, that's funny, awesome. - Yep, so we had a chat with Andrew earlier today, actually. - Super cool, yeah, and it was great, cool.

- Well, one last thing, we should try to get you and your fiance up here.

“I think you would fit in with what we're doing here.”

So check on our website, kind of see what we're about, a little more, and I think you get a good education coming here for a weekend and kind of just checking out kind of how we roll and run things, and I think you would fit in.

We generally have a lot of fun here in the fall, so. - That sounds like fun, I am 100% gonna do that. - Cool, well, I will let you go and enjoy the rest of your day, and we'll be in touch. - Awesome, thank you so much, and it's really fun.

- Okay, Jen, take care. - All right, take care. - Give me my bottle.