S2E45: Casey Carter: The Teacher Who Started Hearing Her Student’s Thoughts | Talk Tracks

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Today, we have a very special person, Casey Carter, who was a neurodevelopmental teacher when she discovered that one of her students had telepathy. And Casey, your story was so significant in my journey personally, and I just want to share with people because I was maybe two and a half

three years into this whole journey already, basically the story was complete, I think in terms of what we were doing.

And then someone forwarded me, I don't even know how I found it, a YouTube video view completely in the shadows. Talking about the fact that one of your students could read minds and was jumping into your thoughts and that you were starting to hear him back. And watching the video, I could tell that you thought you were all alone in this, that no one else in the world was going through this, that your experience was a singular experience. And you felt really scared, sharing it, which is why you were in the shadows.

And as I listened to you speak, it was everything I had heard from other teachers, other parents, and it was so affirming because for me personally, as I was going through this journey,

no matter how much corroboration there was, not just around the country, but around the world, I'd always think could this possibly be true, could this possibly be true.

And like it was in one of those moments where it just again, like I was just like, how on earth is this real, where there you were, like alone out there thinking I'm a teacher, I'm witnessing this and there's so much corroboration happening for you. And I remember writing you saying, like, you're not alone. And I think you were terrified to talk to me, you were like, I didn't know what to do. And so I want everyone to hear your story. So take us back to where are you working when you met Jed, the student who, I think I can fairly say, changed your life.

“Yes, yes, see, my life will never be the same. It's kind of crazy. It just overnight kind of flipped upside down in the best way.”

So I was a teacher at a school, as a private school, for mostly kids with autism, severe autism. And I'd been there for a few years, and I'd work with every kind of student that there was. And the school was the great school that kids are treated really well, but there was not a ton of emphasis on getting them the communication. Like, we didn't let her board there. And if there was a letter board, like the parents had to come in and train the teachers. So started working with Jed and like, I just had this feeling that I needed to help him.

And I'm like, I don't know how to help him. Like, God help me help him. Um, and I was looking at this kid who was 12 when we started working together. And it's like he couldn't sit still. He was like, just kind of having difficult days. And it's almost like he was trying to crawl out of his skin. That's what I kept like thinking like he can't even stay in his body. Like, I just had that thought like he just looked so uncomfortable. And but I could tell that he was very smart and we just like clicked.

So one day I just looked at him and I was like, Jed, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna figure out how to help you communicate and we're gonna get you what you need. So I was just improvising and I pulled out his iPad one day and I was like, I know you're really smart. And I know that you know yes and no. So I opened his notes app and I was like, you can I can ask you yes and no and you can tell me you can answer the questions that way.

And so you would ask him a question and he'd write yes or he'd hit no. So when the first time he taught me how to spell with him because I held the iPad up.

And I was gonna help him do it independently or try to, you know, he immediately grabbed my hand with his and pointed his finger like he was grounding himself.

“And typed and I was like, oh, okay, this is great, right? So we did yes and no questions for a little bit and then I was like, we're gonna see how many words you know, like how many words can you spell?”

So I like grabbed this thousand word list and we did a few words each day and he spelled every single word correctly and I was like, okay, well, you know how to spell.

And after he had a way to truly express himself, I just saw like a change in him. He was a calmer. We were having like really good days every day and I started going through a spiritual awakening.

I kind of realized that like, they were all in there and they just didn't have a way to express themselves. He was telling us things like what he wanted to do over the weekend and like everybody was really blown away, but there wasn't a lot of questioning. We just went with it, right? They're like, oh, he's happy. Let's go for it.

“And would you tell his mom, okay, he's telling us what he wants to do over the weekend?”

Yes, we would send home notes. He was in his iPad, so I'd be at right in the journal like he typed in his iPad that he wants to play soccer this weekend. Or he wants hamburgers for dinner or whatever. So cool. So everything was being he was typing into the iPads since there weren't letterboards.

So you had a record of it or could take a picture. And he was, he did have other teachers at that time. So he was filling with other teachers too in the same way.

Like he grabbed their hand and pointed and spilled. Did you have any doubt? It was him authoring his thought. No, no doubt at all. Because I mean, you can feel him moving his hand. Yes, it's all him. So I had no doubt ever. None of the other teachers had any doubt. So we did that for a few months. And I was getting to know him. He told me, like we would ask him, what do you want to be? He wants to be an author. He told me you want to be a policeman one time. So it's a very interesting stuff. And then

So this is kind of where like I had a lot going on in my personal life. I don't know what was going on in his life.

Except we were seeing improvements at school and at home. And that was really great. But I had gone through what I call a

spiritual reckoning. So I had this really tough weekend where I was like dealing with emotional things and like just praying to like God show me. Like I feel I just felt like I had a purpose and I didn't know what it was. And like every choice I made in my life, even like the very best ones, it just still wasn't quite right for me. So I was really seeking guidance to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing. And I prayed to God on a Sunday night to show me what I was supposed to be doing and to use me for his good.

And the very next day, I found out that Jed was telepathic. And I was like, okay, wow, what have you got? It just started with like he, okay. So before this before my prayer, before I figured out he could read me the week before that he found out

“he was very emotional. He was like crying all day. And we were like, what's wrong? Like what's going on with you?”

And he spelled that he was sad that his other teacher who was a male was leaving him to go to a different part of the school. And everybody was curious how he knew that because we didn't tell them. So we were like, how did he know? Like, did he hear us talking about it? Like, but we didn't talk about it in front of him. So we were just all kind of like, that's weird. So we were straight to his cubby. And I, like we did, he didn't even have his backpack off. I was like, you, you're going to spell

for me. You know? And I was like, can you tell me the word that I'm thinking and he spelled it immediately? It was space. That was the word. And I was like, what? Like, this is crazy. So I was like, maybe it's a fluke. Maybe I was guiding his hand and I asked him again and again and again and every word that I thought he typed it out. And then I was like, okay, this isn't credible. I was like,

“obviously you can read my mind. So I started asking him, like, do you have to be in the room with”

me? Do you have like, is there a distance barrier? Just all these little things I was curious about? What do you say? He said there is no distance that he cannot read somebody. And I mean, like, you were hearing him tell. Yes, did you hear his voice or was it like, the message just coming through in your brain? So when I hear him, it sounds like my inner voice. It sounds like if I'm like making a grocery list in my head or talking myself, it sounds the same. But there's like a feeling

that comes along with it. And I know it's not me. Like, I'm not thinking this. Yeah. You know? So during the time that you're discovering this budget, it sounds like you were testing it all

You know, so we did all of his schoolwork. I would just think it and he would spell it. So if we were

“doing processing, which is like saying three items for instance, and then they have to repeat it back”

to you, I would just think them and he would spell them. We did all of his work telepathically. But it was very one-sided at this point. Meaning he could only read your mind at this point. Yes. I, yeah, I didn't even think that it was possible for me to be able to do that. So just for the audience and people, because this is one of the coolest things that I discovered in my journey, it was that teachers, even more than parents, eventually started to hear their students' thoughts

back and could have two-way telepathy, which is like the most mind-boggling thing and you're one of

those teachers. So I just want to put that out that's coming and say with bi-location, I know we just

skate it right by that, but that's all coming too. Yeah. Okay, so at this point, you've tested him, you're doing homework with him in, or not, or schoolwork with him. Did he say whether or not he preferred telepathic like communication over spoken word for him? I don't think during that time, I asked him if that was a preference, but I kind of learned very quickly that he would rather just use telepathy than the spelling because that's a lot harder for him. It's very easy for him to

send a thought to me. It's really hard for him to stay in his body, focus on the board, which is also a reason he uses like holds my hand, it grounds him energetically, but also he can see through my eyes. Okay, so you start hearing what he's about to spell out before he spells it. Yes, and it's actually this month is the five-year anniversary of when I discovered his abilities. Does anyone else still get that back-to-school shopping feeling once summer starts winding down,

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“I was like, what else can you do? Like, this cannot be the only thing. You know,”

he said he could see angels and demons. He can see the past and the future. He can astral project and that timing is his thing. Like, that is where the list of of gifts that he told to me. And for someone who doesn't know what astral projection is, what does that mean? It is traveling outside of your body. Okay. Through, I mean, I don't know exactly what it is, but it's your consciousness projecting two different locations. Okay. And now, did you ask him

to show you what that means and what did he do? Yes. So, okay, so I used to describe it as like, I felt like I was in a bubble. Like, we were in the same bubble together, but we were obviously still in our seats. And then I heard somebody talk about an experience they had and they said that

“they felt really big. And I was like, that's what it felt like. I felt really big. I felt like I was”

filling up our cubby. And I was in my body, but I was also like above us. It was very strange.

And it was only for like a second or two, like a moment. And then it kind of like leveled out.

And that was the first time it ever happened. Yes. So, you had like a visual reaction. Yes, it happened. Now, I have a lot of theories about what that was, but I do know that in some way, I'm not scientific, so I could not explain this, but we like merged our consciousness. And we became connected on like a completely different level. Wow. Okay. So then, did you start hearing him only when he was beside you? I don't know. I heard him. So after that,

when I was like, okay, I'm hearing you. This is really weird. I kind of thought when I go home, like, I won't hear him anymore, but it was like constant. I was, he was like talking to me like 24/7 on this about what? Um, everything about what he wanted to do about how excited he was, like, how our lives are going to be different or just, you know, chat, small talk, like, adby cooking dinner. And he's just like, oh, that looks good. No, you know, it's just like constantly

“talking to me. And what was it, boyish? Like, you know, because I think of, I have like a”

six-year-old boy who's like, it's like living with a coyote. He's like, oh, always everywhere. I'm

spent-mastic. You know, like, did it feel like that, like, did it have boy energy that was like excited and yeah, it had very, I would say, very pre-teen energy, but he's also extremely intelligent, like more so than me. And he's very, well, he's become very mature too. So it's like, it's kind of a spectrum. Like, we'd get really excited. And then he's just like, you know, the juvenile, like, innocent excitement. And then very philosophical, um, intelligent conversations.

When he was talking about what you were making for dinner and stuff, so it wasn't that he was just

Well, I just knew that he was tapped into me in some way, but he also told me that he's always with me.

So when I, when I say that our consciousness, like merged, it's like, he just gained some kind of access to me, where he's just always with me. I don't know how else to explain it, but like, I can ask him anything about this trip that I'm on right now, and he would be able to spell it. Wow. So, okay. Let's back up. So, okay. So you're doing school work. You haven't told anyone yet. When did you tell his mom and when did you tell the principal? Okay. So that whole week,

we were just testing, and I was like, okay, this is incredible. Do you, what do you want to do? Do you want to go to the school? Do you want me to tell your mom? Because I, as a mother, myself,

“I was like, there's, that's the only way forward is to tell his mom, right? And he was like,”

yes, absolutely. So I texted her that Friday, and I was like, this is going to sound strange, but after you picked it up, could you come by my house? And she was like, yeah, of course, she's very sweet, and like, you know, she just went with it. So they came by and he was going to spell for her, but he was so nervous that he couldn't, like, stand still. So I was like, I'll just tell you what he is trying to tell you. I was like, you know how you said,

you think he's psychic sometimes. I was like, he actually is, and he can read minds. And he's been reading me all week, and I just told her everything that he had shared with me, how we were doing in school work telepathically. And she immediately was just like, I knew who was special. Like, she had some tears come up, and she was like, I knew that he was special. We've so relieved. Yes. Because that conversation could have gone very differently. Yes, it could have.

“It could have. But I just trusted Jed. And that's what he wanted to do. So he must have known.”

She'd be asked again. And I mean, after this, she's like telling me all these stories. Well, this one time he did this and this one time this happened. She's like, it makes so much sense now. And then she was like, well, do we need to tell the school? And I was like, and he typed out, yes, we need to tell them. So she called and asked for a meeting with the founder. And we had a meeting the next Thursday. Right when we walked in, it was kind of like, I kind of took control.

And I think some of that was him because I, I can channel Jed and like, he uses my body to like, I'll be talking to somebody and then I'll just say something. And it's like, oh, that was Jed. Jed wanted me to say that, you know? So we walk in and it's kind of clear that I'm like running the meeting

here. And first, I gave my notice, which was kind of weird, because I wasn't expecting that.

And I was like, you know, before we tell you what we're here, I just want you to know, I'm not Jed said I'm not coming back. So figure that out. What? So you weren't planning on quitting. You don't want to quit. No. But Jed told you, you had to. Yes, give your notice. Yes. And you just went with us. Yes. And you could hear him during the whole meeting. Yes. Oh, my goodness. Okay. So then what happens? You're sitting with the principal. I put him on

notice. And then I was like, um, you know, we're here because I discovered I've been spilling with Jed. I wasn't sure if she knew that we were spilling together. So I explained that. And I was like, I found out last week that Jed could read my thoughts. He could hear me. And I was like, I found out a lot of other things, too. Like, he's can see the past in the future. And I just kind of gave her the little spiel. And she, she kind of smirked at me, which I was not expecting. I thought she was

going to ask me questions and be like, oh, this is incredible. Like, what else can he do? But she just

“kind of smirked. And she said, I thought that's why you wanted to see us. So she'd heard this before.”

Apparently. And then she told us, we have a secret file of kids like Jed that can do what he does. And wait. So the school had a secret file of kids who were telepathic because they knew about. Yes. And apparently they had, she told me that we have a kid out in California that can tell us who at the school has these gifts. And at the time, because we had other things to discuss, like, it was shocking, but it kind of just, I just breeze past it. I was like, oh, so you know,

okay. And then did really think about it until after we left the school. And I was like, hold on a minute.

understand why they wouldn't tell the parents. This is when I experienced the gatekeeping to begin with.

“So wow. Yeah. Because so many teachers have experienced this type of thing. Yeah.”

Okay. So you put on your notice. What did you do for work? Well, he said that I was going to home school and Jed did. And I kind of, I looked at his mom and I was like, Jed said I'm in a home school. And then she was like, okay. Which I was like in a moment, that was decided. And it just, we went with it. So okay. So you leave these her at home school and Jed. So maybe tell us about by location. And maybe you could talk about how your journey unfolded and what you've learned

since about Jed. All right. So by location, essentially, the way out understand is being in two places

at once, right? Being in your physical body and then also being somewhere else. That was pretty clear that he was doing that. How come? So I was walking on a trail before we left the school. And I ran a, I started a bakery program there. So I would leave Jed and we would go bake and then I would come back to him. And I had these garlic knots in a bowl. I was going to bring him some. And I like tripped while I was on the trail. And I dropped all of the ground.

And he like knew that whole experience. I was like, well, what just happened to me? And he was like, oh, you dropped my treat. I mean, what back here? And it was just a lot of that. A lot of like, I wasn't really even thinking about what happened. It's like he experienced it with me because he knew exactly what I was doing, where I was what happened. Here's a good example. I was at my house. My kids were asleep. It was like nine o'clock at night. And my husband works late. So he wasn't there.

And I was sitting on my couch. And I was just chit chatting with Jed and he and her lines in my mind.

Yes. And he was like, yeah, I'm always with you. I already told you that. You know, so I was like,

“well, if you're here, if you're, if your astral body is here in my house, like, where are you?”

Because I don't see him. I'm like, looking, you know, like, maybe I'll have some spiritual eyesight come up. I don't know. And out of the core of my eye, the chandelier or my dining room just started swinging, like from the ceiling to the ceiling, just like big swings out of nowhere. And he was like, I'm over here. And I was like, what? Like, he did that. He pushed the chandelier. Wow. He was at his home asleep, but he was at my house. And how many times has he impacted your physical

world like that? It used to happen more. I mean, I probably couldn't count. There have been times where, like, he's asked me to send a message to somebody, like, a text message, and I would be typing it, and I would be overthinking it. And he would just make my thumb, like, press the send button. Really? Yes. Or like, I'll be, and you feel like you'd feel it? Yes. Yeah. Like, somebody took my thumb and did that. Dang. That's scary. Is it scary? No,

because I trust him. I feel like somebody else, right? I would probably not. And I, I talked to him about, like, you know, that's probably not best. Like, you probably shouldn't do that. That's might be cross in some lines. And it took him a while to realize, like, yeah, I guess I shouldn't. So you really had to figure out those boundaries together. Yes. I was like, this is overwhelming. Like, you, you're going to have to give me a break. Like, when I'm with my family, like, you're going

to have to be quiet. And he was like, you know, I get that. I'm sorry. And I, like, he was just so excited. Okay. So now let's go for it. I want to know what came next. Because you told me story

“once that I think our listeners would really be excited by. Yeah. One of his gifts, well, a talent”

and a spiritual gift, is that he can spin things really well. So he started spinning when he was, like, very little. He would get his mom's, like, biggest pot out of the kitchen or pan and, like, spin it. And he'll, she has videos of him, like, laying on his back and just, like, spinning this big pan, like it's a basketball on one finger. Yeah, on one finger and with one hand, like, get it going. It's very impressive. But he's told me because he can see the energy that's created by the spin

and he can manipulate that energy. He uses it to time travel or open portals or close portals.

realms. Like, other realms, other dimensions. Yeah. And he'd never talks about what he sees at

in those other dimensions. Some of them are just like this one, but different, you know, like, like, like, this earth realm. And then some might be like, what you would describe as a different planet. But just a different place than this. And he says he can do that by harnessing energy. Yes. And did you, would you believe in any of that a few years ago? No. I mean, it sounds so unbelievable. But this is what's so interesting is the only other people I've heard about by location from

portals, you know, um, time travel. Some of the things you've talked about are educators, speech pathologists, like people in the education space who are working with non-speakers. And none of them would have believed any of this until, you know, their students are talking about. Now with time travel, does he say where he goes and why? Um, sometimes he needs to go in the past to know what to do in the future, I guess, like back to the future. I don't know. But he'll talk

about it. Just like, so here's a thing, in the very beginning, he would tell me what he was working on. But he very quickly, like, if he told me something that I found scary and I would pray about it,

it would affect the timeline and not always in a great way, like it would mess him up. So,

then he would have to work double time to get the same outcome or whatever. So he learned that, like, I don't actually need to know, and it's best if I don't know exactly what he's doing all the time because our intention and our thoughts are so powerful that we, we affect everything.

“What does he say about time? Does what does, has he talked about time?”

So, you know, he is able to go outside of time in space. So, he can be in a place that may feel like he's been there for 10 years, but it's like 10 seconds here. Wow. And he also is like constantly

in a dream state. It's like he's always dreaming because when he's asleep, he's talking to me.

We used to do his schoolwork while he was asleep and I would be on like the computer and he would just give me the answers and I'd put him in. So, it's like, honestly, the communication is probably easier when he's asleep because when he's awake, it's just one more place that he's like, processing, being in. So, when you guys first converged and also, and you could start hearing him, you could feel like, do you think you were just feeling energy because your consciousness

expanded or do you think? Because I've heard so many non-speakers who have a praxia state

“physical electric shocks are going through their body. Yes, I think I was feeling his constant state.”

Like, I was feeling this like vibration like internally. It's like, it was like a buzzing, like, in my whole body and it wouldn't stop. And I couldn't eat and I couldn't sleep. I was happy and excited, but I'm like, something is going on with me. Do you think this would be tricky for me as a mom because I would want this connection with my child? Like, how is it for his mom? Well, I think first of all, she's grateful that he found somebody, right, that he could connect with.

Because now she gets to know who her son really is. But I know that there is like this longing for her to connect with him also. But what I'm learning along the way through my own journey and like listening to other parents is that like, they do have a connection. And Jed and I, like, I was hearing him before I knew I was hearing him and all this is retrospection. But like, I was hearing my

“kids. Like, when you have a child, I think telepathic telepathy begins when we begin. Like, that's”

just a natural form of communication. But we don't always have the mind to mind, which is what people are expecting. But when you, when you have your little baby and they need to eat or whatever, you know what they need and it's because they're communicating that with you. And they do have that relationship. And he does communicate with her. It's just not in the same way. It's not in the mind to mind. But they are connected. And I just try to remind her of that, you know, that like you are,

it's just in a different way. I also think for parents, we have so much at stake often that there's so much pressure we put on that relationship or just that you don't even realize. And I've used this

six. So everyone's running around going the wrong way. And it's like, oh, so cute. But then when my son's

not drung in the wrong way, I'm like, oh, no. You know, it's like such a big deal to me. And I get so upset and so anxious about like, what's going to happen? Yeah. And I can just delight in everyone else's kid when they stop playing and their mad and walk off the corporate one. It's my son. I'm like dying,

“you know? Yeah. And so I think that we put a lot of like such pressure and energy into our own”

children and our experience of them that I've even met parents who can't spell to communicate with their child because of the anxiousness, like, I want them to do it. I want them to do it. You know? Yes. And of course, that's all out of love. It's not, it's all out of love. But I do think there's like a special relationship. And you could tell me more than I can postulate here. But it does seem with teachers. There's a special relationship because there's not as much pressure on it where

you can just receive not speakers telepathy easier. Yes. I, so with my own children, I don't

have this, you know, mind to mind connection. And I probably never will because when I'm caring for

them, I'm cooking dinner and I'm cleaning the house and I'm making sure they get the soccer practice and, you know, all the things. It's a mental load that you can't easily drop when you're with your kids. But with Jed, we were trained to be with them, to be present with them, to not, you know, be on our phones or be distracted that like when you're with that student, you're

“fully present with them. And that, I think, was the catalyst or that's what kind of open the door”

to this. Because when I was with him, I wasn't thinking about, you know, home, my family life. I was just on the job. And also, I was very interested after we started spelling into what he was going to say. So I just was like blank slate and just waiting for him. What are some of the more remarkable things he's told you about himself or his desires or even maybe this non-physical world that have been surprising to you? Oh, man. There's been so much like the way I viewed the

world before and after just completely opposite. He has told me that like the spiritual realms where he operates are more real than what we experience. Which is like hard to understand because this is very real and we can feel and smell and see and taste. But he's like it's what I experience outside of this physical experiences is what's actually real. Wow. So that was a big one for me to understand and I'm still trying to get there, you know. But he introduced like simulation theory

like I've learned so much about like reality or maybe not learned but I've explored so many facets of reality because I'm like, what is this place that like this is possible? This is we're not living in the world that like I was told it was, you know, does he talk about like living multiple lives? He has before said that like our like we are in a like a soul group and we have traveled together and we've been close for many lifetimes and he that's like in the beginning

“that's what he told me that we like in the past in past lives we were with each other in some”

capacity and how did that I mean it's such a I've heard so many non-speaker talk about past lives and the first time I heard it it was like a cognitive dissidence that exploded my world open because I was like I want to have my one marriage right now my my two children right now my one life I'm living and this one like feels so precious that it was so like off the grid of anything I'd ever heard so when you heard that like growing up and I would imagine like the very Christian

South like how did you take that well I think like I'd heard about reincarnation and

I always kind of believed in it like since I heard it it never made sense to me like

even growing up in a church and hearing the stories it didn't make a lot of sense to me that we only had this one shot in how to get it right like that never sat well so when I heard about what reincarnation was it just made so much sense that I just believed it before I met Jid so he had said you guys have been together in a past life but he didn't say which which like relationship was no he he said many lives so we've probably experienced like the any dynamic of relationship that

in our little group and so what else has he told you about reality that maybe has changed you

“well um first when he was telling me about angels and demons that was a big shift that would”

terrifying me that was like you know top three of like shocks what does it mean by that like how present or like okay yeah explain that okay so he just said that he sees angels and demons so they visit him right so beings come to him he he's talked to me about what his actual job is here not in great detail other than like the timing thing where it's his gift isn't being able to locate a timeline follow that timeline and make sure events happen when they are supposed to that's

like as far as I understand what he's doing I don't really know like there may be somebody out there that gets it yeah and like are all of these timelines like happening at once like what what do you mean you know what does he mean I don't know it's just so different from what I grew up being told what I believed reality was that we're on a rock flying through space like I don't think any of that's real anymore just crazy but my reality shifted so much that probably for the first year

I thought I might be crazy I mean he has more or less explained that this is not the real reality it's almost like a simulation theory that we live multiple lives but what would judge say about God in this well the message that he spelled was God is real and God is love and love is the ultimate truth I love that I asked him if I have an angel and he said everybody has an angel

some people have more angels than others he said I have 22 oh that are always around me

which is nice to know because like it helps me not be afraid now knowing that like he has angels that help him and they come to him when he in times of need right when his grandmother passed away we were there and he saw angels come and take her and you don't think it's metaphorical like you know he sees this yes he sees this for sure but it can be metaphorical just like a demon could be something he sees or something he feels and angels would be the same way

“I think anything else that he has said that could be fascinating or interesting or important to”

know or for people I think the most important thing is just that we are all special

and everybody not everybody understands that and that we all have the ability to like build a better world and that's like probably the most important thing that he's shown me because I have put him on a pedestal like he's like he sees more than us like he's so powerful you can do all of these things I mean he's told me he can be in five places at one time that's pretty incredible but he thinks that I'm incredible you know because what I have that he doesn't

and what we all do is the ability to use our physical bodies in this physical realm to create change

“and to build the world that we want to see and that's so important and I think the people don't”

realize like how our thoughts affect our reality how our reality is a mirror of our inner world and once we get a hold of our inner world and we start to heal the parts of ourselves that need healing or whether it's like from our childhood or from adulthood or whatever it is as we heal and become aligned with our soul purpose we have so much power in the physical realm and so there's no way that you're you will ever be like come untethered from him right like

I I don't know I hope not I hope I really hope not and how do your kids and husband respond to this okay so my kids are just now starting to understand jenaz dynamic and I they like overheard conversations and my son will be like your telepathic what does that mean and that explain that and he's like oh and then he'll ask me a question about jen and I'm like oh well you know

I can communicate with him at a distance they love jen like they have like a special bond from your perspective how common is telepathic and he's just with non-speakers.

“I mean I think all of them can do it but I've also I mean don't get on reddit”

you'll second guess your whole life but I mean there are supposedly non-speakers who say

themselves that they don't have these abilities so I don't want to speak for them if that's what they're saying but I haven't met one that I don't think could do this or that I haven't felt a connection with like that yeah and it is hard because like the word all is so like no one could say speak for everyone yeah but from your experience and and now meeting more parents and teachers like is it something that you feel like more people are talking about and realizing yes

I well I think the telepathy tapes has done so much well I know that it has like really open

the space where we can talk about this and like maybe they didn't know what it was until they

heard somebody else talking about it yeah but it's growing very quickly the awareness and the bill like the belief in their abilities and final question do you think many of us who aren't a praxic or severely autistic have these gifts latent inside that we could tap into like you

“being able to hear him back is so remarkable to me I can't imagine that except for in dreams I think”

that's yeah commonly where at least I feel like I received things from non-speakers but do you think it's in everyone or most of us yes I think that these gifts have been buried under lots of trauma and disbelief that you know we're just not taught about these things so if you look at a kid like their experience in world in a very different way and then they grow up and they kind of lose that connection but it's still there does if that makes sense like I

think we can all do this but it takes the the right circumstances you know yeah or someone to help yes or help I say you can yes I want to ask for any closing thoughts but also I want you to talk about converging hearts okay so converging hearts I realized that like I can't stay in this role

“with him as a caregiver forever he's maturing and he's getting well and he doesn't need as much”

support so it's like the financial strain on on a family that's paying a caregiver full-time is great and I was like I just you know they can't keep this up forever so how do we continue to work together how do you keep me and I keep you but I still get paid because I have to make a living right so we had this idea that we'd open an art studio it's taken us about three years to understand how to make art together but we've started painting and he creates these beautiful abstract

works and he puts healing codes into the work I don't know how but because he can perceive energy I'm just like speechless right now because there's been like three or four non-speakers who said that they're doing art and putting healing codes or codes into the art knowledge what does that mean I don't know putting codes into the art yeah it's like he when he makes a mark it is with intention so we all do this but they do it on another level because they can actually see the

energy that they're working with I have to tell you something because it just came to me someone told me that this this best weekend that gravity is like the king force in our physical world and intention is the king force in the non-physical world that sounds right to me not wild yeah yeah so it's like or queen force I should say but but that yeah so it's like the intention with which yeah it sounds like jet is doing things even art mm-hmm okay so I didn't want to cut you off

you're good yeah jet's making this incredible art yeah yeah it's incredible I mean when I ask him how do you do healing codes what does that mean it's like he uses lines patterns colors like all very intentionally in each painting and it doesn't look intentional but if you it's kind of

it's art that you feel before you analyze it does that make sense how it should be always yeah and

for it not just for me in him but for others to come and paint if they want to spell read books

all aging out of school yeah there's nothing for them to do so but it's like I've always wanted to

open a space for them at first I thought it was gonna be a school and then very quickly I was like no they don't need a school creative shape but they need a space where they're understood they can be themselves and there aren't barriers to what they can express and beautiful

“give to the world it's so important I can't tell you I mean you know how many parents will say once”

my child ages out of school 18 there's very little support financially or what do you do you you might have to drop out of the workforce to take care of someone 24/7 so if anyone out there

is financially well off these are the type of things that are essential in every community

literally every community to help non-speakers so are you selling this art yes he's selling it yeah so it's on converging hearts.com we have a shop we started with prints we do commissions

“it is a collaboration because he has a praxia he also has compulsions so we've had”

paintings like complete and then I leave and come back and he's like gotten in the jesseau and like just covered the whole thing so it's taken me a lot to figure out how to get this this beautiful work out of him and preserve it please tell Judd thank you for you know just opening you up and and now you're sharing the story in the light yeah your bravery is just helping all boats to rise and the ocean in which we're floating in so I appreciate you so much same and Judd we tell

“him just that how much I love him and adore him he said I heard you I think you're awesome Judd.”

Yeah thank you so he's in your mind right now yeah so wild I've never had this happen like

in real time talking to someone yeah he wants me to tell you thank you well thank you thank you Judd. Thank you Casey Carter and check out converging hearts yes that's it for this episode of the talk tracks but new episodes will be released every Wednesday so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads even the veiled ones that knit together are reality and please remember to stay kind stay curious and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind to dive in deeper

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