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Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about Sir Arty Life. With your hosts, me, Jayadjudice, Daisy Ken, and Jennifer Fessler. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. Today, I am joined by a very special guest who knows a thing or two about Sir Arty Life at a big southern school, just like me.

She's a proud Sir Arty alum, turned Sir Arty Mom, just like me. And you may also recognize her from the latest season of the Golden Bachelor. Sydney Colors, welcome to Dirty Rush. "Dirty Rush. What a salacious name." "Is that the best?"

"Just it's totally the best. It gives us permission." "To talk openly and freely." "Well, because it's Rush as we both know can be good and dirty, right?" "Well, okay. So, I'm, I already introduced you as going to a big southern school.

Tell everybody, first of all, where you are."

"I live currently in downtown Austin, home of University of Texas, which is where you went to school." "That's right." "I went to school north of here in Dallas at SMU. I was a Delta Gamma at SMU. Crown QG."

"You know, we've talked to a lot of SMU sorority girls. And I don't know if it was as intense when you were there.

“We, I think, were probably around the same age.”

Here, I might be a little older, but I, these girls are going through it now at SMU." "Even back in the day, so I was there before we had the death, I was actually there when we had the death penalty. I was cheering for SMU. And we went through the death penalty. And that really changed sorority a little bit. Oh, actually, a lot. When I was there, 80% of the people who could rush

did rush. So, it was heavily panolitic. If you weren't part of the Greek system, you just, like, you just were in the absolute minorities. So, um, or an athlete." "Well, it's okay. So, I'm just going to ask you, I should know what you're talking about. But when you say the death penalty, explain that." "Our football team got penalized and we were pretty much kicked out of the house being kicked off

campus. Our athletic system got shut down, our football system got shut down. And we weren't able to play football or give scholarships for quite some time. And you know, back, but it, you know, football at SMU, we were top 10. I know, up there." "I was going to say to our listeners, a lot of our listeners relate to that. Some don't. But football is the thing." And in the south it was. And you know, it's interesting, you know, you have a campus where

your stadium is, firstly, on campus, ours wasn't. We played at Cowboy Stadium. So, uh, the stories and fraternities would bust the people over for the games, which made it even more of a

So, tell us a little bit about your rush process. Did you rush first or second semester?

“SMU has a SMU had a spring rush. I think they've now moved to a fall rush.”

My first year as a freshman, I had a visit my friends wedding from my school. She got married that January. So, I was not able to attend rush. So, I went through as a sophomore. So, which made it a little bit unique for me, I think. Well, we have a lot in common. I went through as a junior, actually, because I transferred to UT, transferred to New York. Where did you transfer from? I transferred Boston University. Okay, Boston University was another one of my

alternatives to this interview. I don't know. I went, I grew up, I went to high school in Houston

and all of my friends were like, we're going out of state. I don't know why, because UT is just

the best SMU is such a great school. There are so many great schools in Texas. Well, we're going to have to hang. I'm from Houston, too. Yeah. Yeah, from Switzerland. Now, I'm from North and the sticks. Wow. We do have a lot in common. All right. So, well, tell me a little bit, so right. So, it was different. So, freshman year, you were making friends. You were not in a sorority, but, you know, I'm guessing that you were making friends in finding a place,

right? Making good friends. You know, if you, if you rush in the spring, there are a lot of restrictions on, but parties you can go to. And I'm kind of a rule follower with that. So, I didn't really get into meeting a lot of the girls from the different sororities during that fall semester. I knew I wouldn't go through rush, but I was still feeling very interested in making friends. So, I made friends. And then, I actually was privileged to cheer on the palm

team and then the cheer team. Yeah, so I had my gosh, especially for top 10 school. It was phenomenal. Best seats in the house. Oh, my god. Wait. So, you probably see your big cheerleader

“in high school as well, right? You know, I'm God's favorite person. I think I was not, I'm not a”

good cheerleader. I'm not a tumbler. I've never taken a dance class in my life. I'm a really good

copy. And I love sports. So, I know sports. And I'm fearless. So, we were not co-ed in high school. I found a partner in college who was a male cheerleader. And he kind of helps me with some of the partner stents. And it's just really fun. And I don't know that I was good at it. I just enjoyed it a lot. What did you think of the rush process? So, rush for me was very interesting coming through as a sophomore. Obviously, I had some girls on the team that were in different houses. And I'll be

super honest with you. The Delta Gamma house was the only house when I went through. They weren't. They didn't say, "Oh, here's Cindy. Remember, she's the palm palm girl." Like, the only house that really liked me for me in my opinion was the Delta Gamma house. And I loved that about them because, you know, during today, maybe not tomorrow. And that's not who I brought my identity in. I'm a biomedical engineer. I have a really tough degree plan. And, you know, I'm a good friend.

I was a good sister. You know, so there's a lot of things about me that I felt maybe, you know, more unique than she's a palm palm girl. Looking back at it after hosting rushes. I understand that's like the quick. That's a short hand to try and draw a reference. Like, remember, she's the only talk about who does this. So, I got that. But go through, I was a little bit offended that the reason I felt that they were interested in me is because I had a spot on the palm palm team.

So, I think that's that's interesting. I, I'm looking at you now. And so, seeing obviously, you are a beautiful woman. And I'm guessing that you were stunning back then as well. And I think,

“but I think that a lot of of girls going through think that the physical is what's important, right,”

in terms of getting asked. Let's be super clear. Like, I am the queen of shopping on Amazon and looking like sacks. Like, honestly, and I felt the same back in the day, and I didn't have the refinement that especially SMU girls had. Boy, these girls came in, you know, from prep schools and with history of lots of money. And I spent gladly. I spent every summer of my life on a farm in Nebraska. So, I'm sure I was not dressed appropriately for rush. You know, I think it's sad that some

of those physical cues are what people do look at. I'm sure. But I didn't have it all together either back when I was in college for sure. You know, I just, I love that our listeners can hear that. So, you know, I'm guessing that you were absolutely gorgeous like you are now. You were a pom-pom girl, but you were looking for a sorority that would see past that and see right into sort of more of who

And it's and find, you know, like minded girls that care about what they care about. I think that's

so challenging. It's your home. It's, it's your sisterhood. It is the family that you get to choose outside of your, you know, your significant other. It's true. It is a family you could choose. And I will say that, how do I say this kindly to those other sororities who are still very good friends with some of these women. But they still are wondering about my accomplishments and what I can do in some of those outward things. And when I'm with some of my D.G. sisters, the culture of that

house was back then and still is today with those women. How are you? It's so fun to be with you. They just really enjoy the essence of, of who I am and, and me with them. Yeah. And so, you know,

just there's a fingerprint to every house and it does more than it does change because the,

the women in the house still more than change. But find your home for goodness sake. So you have a chance to pick people who accept you and love you. Don't, this is not the time to reach into something that you're not a hundred percent. I agree. It's funny now the, the girls talk about the sororities and the attorneys being topped here. Have you heard? Yeah. I don't remember.

“I don't remember that expression back. Oh, I do. I definitely do. I definitely do. I definitely”

wish. And, and honestly, it topped here was, it was not irrelevant to me because, you know, I have, you know, I just felt like a top tier sorority would offer me top tier people. And that's you I typically align with. I wanted really smart people, really kind people, really nice people, and a top tier sorority will typically have those. So you may think top tier wasn't, you know, it was part of my consideration. I'll be completely honest and transparent. I appreciate that.

I don't know that, and I could be wrong. But a lot of times like my daughter who was in a sorority,

I'd never see a Delaware when she was looking at top tier. I feel like so much of that was about

what the girls look like, you know, and it's interesting. And so by top tier, they were ranked sort of, you know, I don't know, the prettiest girls, they were in the top tier. And I just absolutely hated that. And I mean, listen, she found a sorority and she absolutely loved it and had a blast. And I had that, you know, back at UT when I was rushing. I knew that there were more, the prettier girls went here, the sweeter, I don't know, it was all of that. Yeah, another, there is like the fingerprint.

“And we just talked, yeah, kind of talked about the fingerprint of it. But honestly, if you get a”

new girl who's beautiful, then doesn't that change the fingerprint? Yes. So if your daughter decided to go to the sorority that didn't have the pretty girls, and she's clearly, she's got to change, she's got to be gorgeous. She went to the one with whatever, the gorgeous girls. But, you know, I was not a gorgeous girl. And I got into a, I believe it. And I got into sorority because when I transferred, my friends were all in it already. So like my three roommates were 85.

So there was no question that that's where I was going. And, you know, I look back on it, I had a great time. I wonder if that was exactly where I belonged, though, you know. And I didn't, I knew that that's, you know, where I was going to end up. But I don't know, there's, it's really like every sorority, like it has a different, like we just said, fingerprint. And is that we said, is it fingerprint? Footprint? What's the expression? Thank you, friend. Anyway, fingerprint.

“Because everyone's unique. Yes, everyone's unique, right? And it's just important, I think,”

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“was it filled with anxiety? Like it is for so many girls? I think walking into the mansion gave me”

more anxiety than walking in the rush because I was a year older than the girls. I did know people in the houses. So that was that probably gave me a lot more security. I tell you what I didn't have. I wasn't going around house to house with the bunch of girls that I'd spent time with in the dormitory. So I was fish out of the water when I was on the sidewalk. Once I was in the house, I was probably more comfortable because I went through later. Harder to walk into the mansion,

huh? Yeah. I mean you're you're computing for one guy and you're watching all these women come in and they're absolutely stunning and all wearing beautiful ball gowns and just even at interest, isn't that interesting? It's like, and I'm guessing you feel the same way. But I so obviously I'm 57. I'm a very different woman than I was when I was, you know, 23, but that experience that you had is so unique, right? I'm wondering if it felt at all

though, sort of like the same thing, right? And we talk about it a lot. I've got I'm very close friends with a lot of the women of the house. We just took a trip with a some group of us. It was Robin, Carol, Jerry, and Amy. We all went to Palm Springs and was Jerry's first trip. Girls trip.

Ever. She's like I never was in a really. And this is what she thought being a sorority would feel

like. And for those of us who are have been in a sorority, it absolutely feels like that. You know,

you know, from the show we kind of call it a trauma bond. Yes. I mean, that's what it looks like as a viewer.

“So, yeah, maybe less so in the city world, but you know, you got through a shared experience”

and you can't help it bond you together. And I do think because the sororities have different fingerprints. They do tend to find, you know, women who are alike. And, you know, for our season of the Golden Bachelor, I feel like we all share different facets of one another. Like there wasn't another duplicate of Cindy. There was no copy and paste of any of us. But if I looked at, you know, the family orientation that I have, I would find that really in common with, you know,

carol and my lean and some of the fun aspects and some of the foodie aspects and some of the, you know, don't care how my hair looks aspects. You know, I would share that with some of the women. So, like different facets of myself that I could find in my sorority sisters. I was finding in the house with, yeah, mansion mates. Yeah. Tell me since you are talking about home. And I'm

wondering, I know you're also a sorority mom, right? But first let me ask you if your mom was your

mom very involved in your rush process? Not at all. Not at all. My neither.

“No. I mean, she was in a sorority and, yeah, no, I was pretty much on my own. And honestly,”

when my kids went through rush, I was going through some stuff in my marriage that I wish I could be a little bit more helpful to them. Of course, I helped them get racks and that's an aggressive process. Yeah. Holy cow. Rex nowadays. Yeah. I feel bad for for the girls going through it. And especially for anybody who doesn't have family members who have gone through it, just to have somebody guide them. I've heard now it's a little, they don't take that as seriously, even legacy does not

definitely not like a sea. Yeah. It doesn't help. Even when my kids went through, yeah, there's just too many, there's too many like a sea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your sisters, brothers, and more any of them in Greek life. No, my brother and my sister did not participate in the Greek system. My daughter, my older daughter did. She went to university of Arkansas and dropped from her sorority's senior year. I just didn't serve her anymore. Yep. And so she dropped. And then my

middle daughter went to Baylor. She was a capa and I said, tap with a whole time. She was in a capa house off campus with a bunch of capa sisters there. And that was a super sweet group for her to hang with. And that was really my first time to have like the mother daughter sorority daughter experience. Right. Right. And then my younger one is a dancer in LA. And so she didn't have campus, she didn't have any campus life. So it's got to she did online at Purdue. So I don't think

you could do sorority online yet. Even through COVID. Listen, she is not a baby. You're not going to leave your house much longer to be to frapp party. It's hard to be a mom watching your daughter and your case daughters go through the process. How did they go through the rush process? Did they have a difficult or an easy time with it? There I, my oldest had a perfect rush. So she, she had

literally the perfect rush. So she never got cut. And she got to pick a house and she, she loved

up the house and left the girls. So that was easy. And so for the second, you know, we'd already talked through it with Sarah. The two older girls were just one great apart. So it got it. Okay. Sarah went through then the next year Emily went through. And honestly, I think because we had a chance to talk through all of it with Sarah, Emily was watching Gary intensely. And so her mindset was, like, aligned. She was fine. I think you just have to. Honestly,

“I think you have to let go of the outcome. Yeah. Like so many have to let go. Yeah. I mean,”

that's a lesson. It took me a long time to learn the whole enjoy the journey thing is I was older when I sort of got that. But right, I think that for a lot of girls, I'm talking to a lot of girls about this, you know, your head is set on one sorority. And it just, it could ruin the experience for you, right? It can ruin your college. We know those who have transferred colleges because they don't belong to what they consider the right sorority. And

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We had a mom come on. It was one of the first

positive I recorded and talking about how her daughter had gone through the rush process at SMU. And how at the end of it,

“I hope that I'm remembering this correctly. I think everyone gets together. And I guess the”

story comes and grabs you or something. Am I remembering this correctly? We did that in Arkansas and all the girls are at this stadium and they come and get grabbed by their sorority and there's some girls who don't. I don't listen. Panelitic better be smarter about that. If you have a girl who doesn't get a bid, whoever their rush coaches needs to have a conversation with them and pull them from that stadium, that can't happen. That can't happen. That's so cool. Well, this

mom had happened to her daughter two years in a row. And so we were talking about it. It's just horrible. And yeah, I think it was SMU, but again, you go to the middle of campus. I don't know.

The whole, I had a great experience. You had a great experience and it really is a sisterhood that can set you up for life and life also you deal with rejection. That's just part of it. We all all have to deal with it. But it's harsh. It can be harsh, depending on the school, right? I mean,

“I feel like, you know, the southern schools are more intense. Definitely. I mean, I think the”

situation in this stadium that just literally breaks my heart and sick to my stomach about that. But in general, I look at, you know, my whole sorority experience was divergent. You know, I didn't pledge, I was just sophomore. I was very entrenched with, yeah, with my degree plan. I had a double major and I was taking every semester. I had eight o'clock class and I had 18 hours every semester and I'm trying to cheer and the travel that that's required and the

practices and all the sorority stuff. And so I was, we look back and I laughed. I was barely a D.G. So you know, you didn't hold any office. I did. So I actually, my junior year, my junior year, I was thinking about, you know, deactivating because it's financially, I, you know, I had no money

and it was a steep requirement to go to Estimule, even on full scholarship. There's always

incidental stuff. Do you tell me you went on a full scholarship? Girl, it's a lot here for me to take in. I can't get over you. What? Who am I speaking to? All right. I can say God's favorite. God's favorite, my sister. You're my favorite. It's even better. You go on. So I, I feel that, you know, it's going to deactivate in my house. I went to the, I had this sit in front of the board and all these, you know, the alumni and the sisters that I knew and respected and loved and cherished and just

said, listen, here's where I am. I can't do this anymore. And they said, give us a week and I came back after a week and they found what they call a secret Hannah. So it's a secret alumni who paid for not just all of my dues at the sorority, but she paid, it was required that I moved into the house for a year, which, what, I mean, obviously I had room in board with my scholarship, but what a gift? Yeah. Do they still, I'm going to, I'm going to tear up right now. And I felt so be, we hold it

to that sorority for reaching out to me and helping me through that. And so the other requirement is that I do the same for another DG in the same circumstance. And it's been, it's a privilege. It's secret. I have no idea who she is. You're going to, this is the nicest thing I've ever heard.

“This is at the top of my list of, of why you should join the sorority. That's, I never even heard”

it. And so I guess, maybe it happens at other campuses as well. That is just amazing. Wow. And now you're doing it for someone. Yeah. And, and you take a girl if you felt like she just wasn't worthy of the house because I can't afford it. And you make her feel like a queen princess.

And so, I mean, I've always have leadership positions in what I do. I enjoy it. You know, if you're

going to be there anyway, you might as well lead it. You have to stay on what time you get out. I think they wanted me to be rushed here in which would be such a privilege and it would be an honor. But, you know, I had kind of a higher profile on campus and I think they thought that would be good. I, like, honestly, I would have failed them because I didn't have the bandwidth to make that happen. And so, I was a panelinic representative. And so, I've had to sit on the board with the other houses

“and kind of talk through some of the sorority rush things. That's why the whole, like, if there”

are girls left on campus, I'm in a, I'm going to re-touch back with my people at SNU because that

just, as a panelinic member, we never would have let that happen. Yeah. I definitely heard that

from one of our sorority moms that it was horrible for her daughter. You know, you get those stories. It definitely, you know, I don't know, that board, which doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. I mean, that's why I want to say, yeah. Yeah, like, through the process, you know, I didn't have the money to continue and they made it happen. I, you know, I went through as a software instead of a freshman and, like, all these things that weren't perfect added up and weren't knit together

into such a beautiful story and it's my story. It's not a traditional story. It's my story. Yeah, sororities. And I hope, I, I hope that anybody listening to this considers just open yourself up to knitting a new story. It may not be what you've expected, nor what you wanted, but it's your story. Yeah. And to make it what you want, right, to make the whole experience what you want. And I agree. When I went through it, I remember just being so even

with knowing that my roommates were all in five, I was so insecure. And were you nervous about getting into the house, even with your roommates? Yes. Even with that, I was just nervous. I mean,

was just the rush process, I knew I wasn't going to end up in some of these sororities. I was a

Jewish girl who was probably going to end up in Jewish sorority. So, you know, going through the house through tri-delt, I, I wasn't holding my breath thinking I was going to get in. But I just remember everyone, it felt like everyone was just beautiful and blonde and thin, and I just wasn't. And it was, I remember it taking, it's toll, you know, and in a, especially at a school like UT, you know, there's a, there's a, there's a field to who it, and I moved to Texas when I was nine.

I was a little bit of a fish out of water. This is not about me, but sometimes I just can't seem to help. No, I, I find this fascinating. I've got 18 more questions for you. So, hold on.

Oh, God. Well, listen, I, again, I want to hear more about your experience. But I just, yeah,

“it was hard, it was hard on me, I think, even knowing that I was probably going to get into”

five, I was pretty sure. But even with that, going to the different houses and looking all these girls and, and feeling not, not as good as, not as pretty as, not as all of that. But, you know, you, I look back at it as you get older, it would be nice to do it now. All the year, listen, you, you said it was, look what you had to go through going in. It's just as hard. It's hard. It's hard. And all those, yeah, all those things that we felt

as a young girl, I think we still feel at our age and, and I think we'll feel at the rest of our

lives and the same diversity of people that we had to deal with back in a short. It was people

that you thought were judging you or, or whatever, we still, I mean, don't you feel that now? I mean, we could care less about it. I do. Going into the mansion, I would have definitely felt it. So I don't have a lot of situations like that. You know, that's intense.

“At least that's what it looks like, where I'm, you know, hoping to attract the attention of one man,”

whatever that looks like. But so that would have, yes, I would definitely felt a lot of anxiety around that. But I do feel like at my age, I, I don't have a problem walking into a room anymore and feeling, you know, that that comes with age. I tell that to my kids all the time. But I don't, I don't get a lot of insecurity about, you know, new situations, meeting people. Again, walking into that mansion in that circumstance would have maybe very self-conscious, I think.

I used to tell my kids of, you know, in these circumstances, just remember to think of a basket, a little wicker basket with a fluffy pillow, stuck with a bunch of speckled puppies. Just imagine, every, every one is so cute and so adorable and they're all so different. Whether they have a spot on our nose or a spot on their back or whatever distribution,

“we're all just a basket full of speckled puppies. And if we could just remember that as we walk into”

the world, wouldn't that be nicer? And instead of looking at just the front row of those girls, as they're cheering and singing their songs, looking to the back row and find those speckled puppies, right? Because they're, they're in every house. Yeah, that's so great. Absolutely love that. I'm going to use that, except I'm not going to tell my daughter where it came from. I'm going to completely say, she might like it. She might like it, but just come from you.

No, it's fair enough. That's true. That's true. We'll change the forest and um, life is like a box of chocolate. No, life is like a basket of speckled puppies. You seem punch by the way. This is just another. Oh, I haven't seen it yet. No, is it great? Should I see it? Oh, it's not a show. It's about that monkey in Japan. I'm only bringing it. Oh, uh, yeah. Yes, the one that's gonna go. Yes. And then, oh, punch. It's like a sorority house. Have you,

did you see it? We've got to rename the monkey. We've got to rename it. It's because it's just a hundred percent listeners. If you haven't seen it, don't look it up. My daughter was so hysterical crying for two days. I couldn't get her out of bed. But the story in the end, at least that's what I, what they're showing me on TikTok, punches found his way and girls, he will find your way. He was rejected and rejected. But now he has a friend. Maybe there's like, there's a good,

um, it's a good analogy somehow. I don't know. Or maybe I'm just, you know, grasping at straws. But before we lose you, and I don't really, really don't want to. But we tell us, there any, is there any more you could tell us about the golden bachelor or any secrets or experiences or, um, anything that we wouldn't know? I will say that, um, to all of the girls who are listening, you know, sisterhood is out there, whether it has Greek letters on it, or it is just where

you work, where you go to the gym, where you have Pilates, you're running group, you're church.

in the mansion. I came there to find a man and, as Robin said, in the final rose episode, or in the, tell all, she said, the real love story of our show is the women. And so I found a whole news to where he said, on the show of the golden bachelor. So just, just be available and aware. And I encourage everyone who is considering going through rush to absolutely go through with an open

heart and to find your sisterhood. We just go ahead and dive in if it's, it might be your second

or through choice, but in the end it's going to be the best things for you. Don't you feel like what like the golden bachelor and bachelor at the first one? What, um, what's his name, the first bachelor, uh, chalk? Oh, chalk. Do you so much for Gary? Gary was the first golden bachelor.

“Yes, yes. Okay. So Gary, okay, can't keep up. But anyway, they're men bonded and at, um, right?”

And then you saw them together and then talk about how they found this brotherhood. And you're talking about how through this experience, you have found these sisters. And so, and that feeling,

there's just nothing like it. And that is the point of, of going Greek, I think, right? There's

nothing like an absolutely in it, and it, but, but, and you'll find it throughout your life, like I'm sure when your kids were involved in sports or activities, I know some of my other closest friends were people I sat in the bleachers with for all those years. Right. Right. And, you know, you just learned to knit your life together with someone. And that is one of the blessings of going through the bonds that you get in a sorority is you've learned how to knit your

life to someone. And you learned that that's safe. Yeah. Right. It's a good place. It's a great

safety net for us all. Yeah, I love that. You're amazing. Can't thank you enough. It's been

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