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Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. Today, I have on a special guest who was very much involved in Sir Arty Life at a school in the Midwest. She's a good friend of mine, and also in a new season of the valley, Janica Perna, welcome to Dirty Rush. Hi, my friend, you guys, so Janet and I met, it was the BMAs, right?

I think it was the iHeart Awards. Oh, it was iHeart Awards. Excuse me. Excuse me. Yes, it was. We sat next to each other, right? Yes, and had the best time.

“And we had the best time. I was like, who is this lovely, lovely woman?”

And we had a couple of the other cast members from the valley next to us as well, right?

That was a fun night. Yeah, I was Britney's date for that, so always a fun night to get to

be Britney's date. Yeah, yeah. So, all right, so I want to talk a little valley, but first, since this is Dirty Rush, tell me where you went to school or tell us, where you go to school, what's the word you were in, all of that? Yeah, okay, so I went to Ohio University, not to be mistaken with the Ohio State University, which is like the bookwise. Ohio University is like an hour and a half southeast, a smaller school,

and I was an English major there, and I was at Kaiomega there, so it's a tall alpha factor of Kaiomega there, so I was an English major too. I don't know that I ever used that degree for anything, maybe you know? No, no, it did not really serve me. I just like to read. Yeah, that was made to you. I was like, it was nice actually the balance between also being a sorority girl and kind of having that social aspect of something and then getting to go like

be with all my like nerd English majors. Yes. Read and write. It was like such a balance. Yep. Yep. So, okay, first of all, well, let me just go back just for a minute. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Dublin, Ohio, so just outside of Columbus, where the Ohio State University is, so

okay, but I never wanted to like go to Ohio State because it was too close to home. It was like 15 minutes

for my mom's house, so Ohio University was like an hour and a half drive. I was like, if I'm that far away, my mom won't be able to like pop in every day if she was, yeah, if she had to plan a trip down to visit me. So, I university was like known as being a party school and at the time in high school, I was like, that sounded really nice. Yeah, I hear you. Well, do you have friends from your high school that went with you? Yeah, it wasn't as a lot of my high school went to Ohio State, but I would say

you were probably like 15 or so kids from my high school that went to OU. But not a lot of them ended up in Greek life. So, that was kind of like my separate thing that I could do that was just kind of separated me to from like having a break from like my high school friends. Yeah, what made

had said it for college, I wanted like to be able just to start over high school was fine and like,

“you know, fun for me, but I really like the idea of like having a fresh start and like being able to kind of,”

I don't know, carve my own path, have like, yeah, I don't know, a new chapter in life. Yeah, every time I felt like I saw, you know, a lot of stuff that's already fraternity Greek life in movies. And so I was like, okay, you know, like, L woods and legally bought. Of course. Of course. Of my generation. Yeah. So, I felt like I was like, this is just what you do in college. You like find your sorority house. And it just felt very, very college to me. You know, it's so funny that you say that because

I started out at Boston University and I transferred from Texas. I transferred back to University of Texas. Yeah. And I think a lot of that was about that. I just didn't feel like I was having that

kind of college experience that that whole the fun of Greek life and and big campus. Although

be a big, but it's a whole different scene as a city school. Right. And sports and football and all of that. And I think that was, you know, a lot of why I transferred from you. I wanted, I wanted all of that traditional stuff. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted typical college life, which honestly, like I know, I've listened a couple episodes of this podcast. And I feel like there's two kind of routes that people have with their opinions of Greek life. And I feel like the bigger schools, especially the

“more southern schools where Greek life is like 70% of campus is in a fraternity or sorority. Right.”

Maybe I feel like the more negative experience and like the high pressure circumstances. Then like my school was a smaller school. I mean, we had like 16,000 students I think when I was there. And I think like 10 or 15% were in Greek life. So it wasn't like a big pressure. It wasn't like everyone did it. It was sort of like niche group. It was sort of like, right, if you're not doing a sport, if you're not in a club, like Greek life would be kind of a thing you could do. But it wasn't like a

mandatory thing. And there wasn't a lot of pressure to do it. So I had really good experience with it. And like I back on my sorority days fondly, but I know a lot of people don't. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I was talking about this with another guest. But the pressure of it. We were actually talking a lot about she was saying that she felt a little bit less than she didn't have a lot of the girls. And she was also into a southern school, but they had the money to get decked. And the outfits were

over the top. And I felt that way as well. Physically, I just didn't feel like I measured up. I don't know how you felt going through it. I mean, you're beautiful, you know, women. And I'm sure you are just as beautiful then. But like in terms of like outfits that you wore, or just the physical piece of it. How did you feel about all that? It was not the high pressure thing. We were not getting glam for this. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is getting professional makeup done.

I mean, we cared about like, you know, what dresses and stuff we were wearing. We wanted to look cute for everything. Right. Right. This was like we were going to forever 21 and get it like whatever color. I feel like each of our days. Because I like Gia talked about her experience. I feel like mine was very similar. And then it took like three weekends where you were spending your Saturday and Sunday rushing. And there were different nights. And we had like different

colored outfits. So like one of the nights they wanted us to wear a black dress, one of them they wanted to red dress. But it was really low stakes. And that we weren't buying like designer stuff by any means. We weren't spending any more time getting ready for this than we would any other, you know, day going out in college. Yeah. I love that. Really low stakes to me. It felt it felt fun. And there were definitely like, you know, reputations for each sorority house. Right. When I ended up joining

“was like more like the blonde sorority house with like, knit the best grades, which honestly,”

how I credit to like graduating on time and having good grades in college. Because I wasn't the greatest student in high school. But in sorority, if you if your GPA dropped below a certain point, you couldn't go to any your probation. Right. Right. And then or you would get kicked out if you were, you know, multiple semesters in a row where you weren't making grades. So it really like that motivated me. I was like, I want to go to all the parties. I don't want to be put on social

probation. And so my son is always number one in grades. And I really like, I think that had a bit

of big effect on me. Oh my God. I have to say at least not, I don't remember time talking with one of my guests. Them saying that being a sorority helps so much with their grades. I think that is really interesting. And to a lot of our listeners who are considering rushing or are already, like that is that's a fabulous, you know, advantage. I don't know that a lot of people would credit this their sorority with good grades. But I guess that's, you know, it happens. I don't, yeah.

We also, we had a computer lab, which I'm looking back is like so outdated with like actual

So like if you were taking Econ 101, right, a filing cabinet, pull up all of the Econ professors

“names. And then you could pull all the notes that the girls took previously in that sheet. Your”

ass off. And it wasn't a cheat. It was more like study guides are like, if you missed a day of class, it was like, all right, well, I can just go and get somebody else's notes. I don't have to like be worried about taking the best notes the entire night. And then if you did take like really good notes on a class, you would drop them in the filing cabinet and be like, all right, the girls after me are going to love those. Wow. That also was like a big help like being like, okay,

I can at least like go look at somebody else's notes if I'm like not doing well in the class. Yeah, that's so. And because I don't remember my daughter really even talking about not being able to go to parties if her grades were, I know my son talked about that. And I want to say there was one semester where he was close to getting put on probation and it definitely kicked his ass. Because we don't talk about that a lot on on the pod. Yeah. About how can actually give you that,

you know, motivate you a little bit in terms of your grades. I got on social probation

“once. I think freshman or so. What did you do? Okay, not for grades. This was so bad looking back.”

Our sorority house actually, we did not bring guys back to the house. You could have guys in the main areas like in the living rooms. Like until I don't know nine p.m. or something and like

till maybe 11 or something on the weekends. But other than that, like guys were never upstairs

in the hallways or in people's bedrooms ever. And if I was like, I always liked that. Like when I lived in the house, it felt safe. You could walk around a towel or bathrobe and you weren't worried about like bumping into some boy friend or hoping. But before I lived in the house, I didn't, I was like, oh, that can't be like a real rule. And we had a rooftop deck that like, we would lay out and like, sun tan on. And one of the fraternity guys that I met freshman year was like,

let's go smoke pot on the coyoteck. And I was like, yeah, sure. I'm sure like that's probably what they do every week at that. But they're like, trying to be smoking all the time. And so me, not even living in the house, snuck a guy in the house up to the rooftop. And we were like smoking a joint up there. And you and I would be best friends in college. I was, I was a person in college.

“It was a big big sonar. And so the older girls were like, what are you, what do you think you're doing?”

Like, this was so bald. Oh, dear you. Truly, they were like, we don't even bring our boy friends here. You're going to bring some random frat guy freshman over to smoke pot. Like, good for you. You're doing. And so I got put on social probation, which now to this day, I credit a marriage and three kids too, because we were, I missed our like yearly date party, which was Uncle Box, which was like a, like you dressed up in cowboy themed stuff. And it was like in a barn

in the middle of nowhere with a DJ. And we would just like dance and everybody brought a date. And I was supposed to bring one of my guy friends who was in the same fraternity as the boy I snuck into smoke weed. Yeah. I was like, Jimmy, I can't bring you to the date party. I'm on social probation. He was like, man, I really wanted to go. Like, that's, it was like one of the hot date parties of the year. Everybody. Right. I was like, my friend, Jess just got dumped. Why don't

I see if she can bring you? And you guys, you know, you might actually like her. And that they started dating after that, getting married and now they have three kids together. So thank God that I ended up being put on social probation, because I like set up this couple that's like now been together for like 15 years. Look at you go. I thought you were going to say that it was the reason

that you got barren and have three kids. And I'm like, trying to, I was like wait a second. I have to

rethink your everything for a set. Right. Okay. Oh, because I was in trouble and I couldn't bring him as my date. I set him up with my friend and there's still together till this day. Just doing good. Do one God work, baby. Yes. Absolutely. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. Our mental equilibrium over. It's 1969. Malcolm Max and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated.

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have any experiences that you want to share? They were a party girl, a little bit. Yeah, I was social chair. My, I want to say, of course you were. And that, the whole thing about social chair was like, we weren't allowed to use the social budget on alcohol. So we had to like find, they would give us a chapter like cash that we could take out. But we had to like account for what we were using it for. So we're like the public social chair was like, I don't know exactly

“what laundering money is, but I feel like that's what I was doing. Being like, oh we're like”

using, this is like cups and decorations and food. And you would just like make a list and like right out the accounting for what we were using the money for. Right. It was like $200 a party, which now looking back on. Wow. Like you're a party for like, I mean, this was like almost 100 girls in my sorority, 100 fraternity guys. So like under 500 bucks between the two, you know, sorority fraternity, like to throw like a party for that many people and cover the booze for that many

people is kind of insane. But yeah, we would throw it would all, all the money would end up going to like nattilight. It was like the gross beer that we would get. All right, nattilight. That's, who said, I just learned that was there's a Morgan Wallen song. Oh, it's about nattilight. Yeah. Yeah.

“Yeah. So it always, at all ended up, I think you could get a 30 pack of nattilight back in my”

colleges for $11.99. I could get like a couple hundred dollars worth of nattilight. And all the

We would do like, kind of think of some of the other good ones we did. But we all we do like the like boat hoses and something like golf pros and boat hoses would be like one of them. We're like all the guys who dress up in like polo's and golf stuff. And we would be in like basically bikinis.

Right. We would all do like theme parties. It would almost always be in a gross

frat house basement. And we would just hug and nattilight. It's the whole dress hilarious. It's like my mom was ended up paying for my beer budget because, you know, we need the sorority do's that then ended up going to the social fund that I was then, you know, like sneaking ways to find to buy nattilight with. Anything like about just being the social chair that our

“listeners may be interested in or would you do it again? Would you want to be social chair again?”

I mean, it still still a lot of work. I thought it was the most fun of the jobs. Like you president or vice president because you had to like get people in trouble and be in people's like people's meeting. Social chair everybody loved like there wouldn't be your party girl. Yeah, it would be like, oh, thanks. Like you got you managed to get the beer covered. So yeah, it would be a really fun job. And I would say like if if you don't take things too seriously,

that's like the position for you. Yeah. It didn't feel like it didn't feel like work as much for you. All right. I don't think there was, I mean, I had to go to like the executive board chapter meetings with like the president vice president, you know, accounting chair. I'm sure I think of some of the other positions we had. Yeah. Like, you know, mine was just like everybody knew that like my main job was like making sure that our advisors didn't find out what you're

spending the money on beer. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely what I would want that would be the role that I would be interested in. Absolutely. How did you get it? How did you become social chair? I think we voted for people. And you know, I think I got it. This is, I like I said, I was like a stoner in college. That was like like my thing. And my sorority was like, you know, we were the good grades. Like I was like kind of like the odd man out in that sense. Like not a lot of my other

sorority girls like were like smoking weed with me. I would like go like friends with a lot of the frac guys. And we would like, I would like be like their bro and like smoke points with them. But there was

“one, what was it? A really important ceremony that we were doing. I think it was, oh, it was our”

initiation when we were bringing in new members. And this was like a really serious ceremony where we were all in the basement. We were all wearing like white robes. And we would read from like the scripture of the sorority. We were like like a church service. And the initiation ceremony happened to fall on 421 year, which is like, you know, the stoner. Right. Right. And I was like, oh, man, like, I remember like begging my friend. What is it? I'm sorry. I don't mean to trip, but because I know,

I only learned about it through my kids. What is like the pot. It's like national pot day or something.

Yeah, I think it's like Bob Marley's birthday is something like that. But like 420 is like always

been like the weed pot all the day. Right. And so I was like, I was like begging the president. I'm like, you have to move it from 420. Like, we're not going to do this. And instead, they wouldn't move it. I was like, I got really into baking and college with weed. So I would like make weed butter and like all this stuff. And on, so like the day before 420, I made a hundred weed funfetti cupcakes. Oh, you would have been my best friend. I would have been, I would have,

I mean, still, I feel like you and I just just definitely clicked. But oh my God, you would have would have been like this, right? Right. Right. Yes. So I was like, I may have these little green funfetti cupcakes. And the main thing was like, I was going to, like, the, the frack eyes had given me a bunch of pot and they're like, and then sell them for like five bucks a pot. Okay. If the sorority girls who want them for initiation, every single girl was like, I want one. I kind of want to try it. Like,

if I'm going to be stuck at home on 420 in this initiation ceremony. And half of these girls

have never smoked in their life. So they were like, all right, here's five bucks. I'm going to try

“pot for the first time. Like, whatever. So every, like, I think almost everybody in the sorority”

bought a pot cupcake off of me. And we all ate them right before the ceremony. That again, it's like church, like we're in like white robes. It's like kind of like looking back, like, not the place you want to be stoned for. And so everybody is like eating them. We're all like, they're all like, what's going to happen? And I'm like, you know, give it like 30, 45 minutes. You're going to feel great. Giggly. Halfway through the ceremony. Everybody loses their mind.

Everybody is cracking up. All of the girls who are like having to read from like the scripture are like getting like through like a half a sentence and like unable to like control themselves. Like just and once one person cracked and like sort of, whole room would start laughing. We like barely got, I don't think any of the new girls who were like going through the initiation knew what was going on. They were like, why are they all right? Right. Everybody just ended up getting so stoned and

sense. If I was there, I would have thought Janet for social care. I would have 100% campaign for you.

It was a natural fit, right? Yeah. It felt like a natural fit. It was just this like funny thing. And I still get texts from friends now who are like, oh, my kids are in bed. It's 420. My husband and I like got edibles. We're going to do it. Do you remember the time that we all took those

“weed cupcakes? I'm like, it'll ever forget that. So you're still good friends with a lot of girls?”

I have a couple. So I probably have 10 girlfriends, my sorority that I stay in touch with and for that I like, we do like a yearly trip together every year. Yeah. Yeah. So we're all in different parts of the country, but we make a point. We have a group chat and then we try like once a year

to do like a vacation together somewhere. That's fun. I love that.

Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. Our mental at Glamour. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And black America was out of breaking point. Riding in protest broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's alma mater, more house college. The students had their own protest.

“It featured two prominent figures in black history. Martin Luther King's senior and a young”

student Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a black Panther leader in Chicago. The story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-Building on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. What do you do in the headlines? Don't explain what's

happening inside of you. I'm Ben Higgins. And if you've been here, me is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of light, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story we talk about

“what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff,”

identity, when you don't recognize yourself anymore lost, that changes you purpose when success is enough, peace when your mind won't slow down, faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figured out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to, if you can hear me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the spirit daughter podcast,

where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic, aquarium visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius, like our misunderstood, a son, and Venus in

Aquarius, in her seventh house, spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it. If you're navigating your own transformation, or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to this spirit daughter podcast,

starting on February 24th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful

spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is a special agent, Riegel, a special agent, Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the US government is on to him, but the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Here how they got it on the 6th Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of his life. And that's the unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the

inner workings of the MSS, and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts,

Okay, so this is a little cornbally question, whatever, but I have to ask. Do you feel like being

social chair prepared you for, I don't did a prepare you for anything, did you take it with you,

“into your actual life? Do you feel like it's a role that translates into anything you're doing now?”

I mean, obviously we'll talk a little bit about the valley, but do you see any similarities? It made me want to be a host, like I liked the idea of like hosting the party, sending up the stations, okay, making the theme like you know, just having it be like my party, like like that aspect. And I now like my favorite thing is to like throw a dinner party. I feel like we get stuck having to do a lot of the theme parties, like on Bravo shows, yeah, some of those I'm like man,

I like got that out of my system in college, there's times where I'm like Brittany, if you pick a theme

for this moment, you can't we just like have a normal night, but I also say like I think it may be like jump started the host in me and like enjoying like planning and setting up a party and and then like you know, the praise of like everybody having a good time. Wow, yeah, that's I could see how that would translate. I mean, the last thing I ever want to do is throw a party. Really, dinner, oh my god, I like to go to a party. Yeah, I like to go to one of your parties, but no,

like figuring out a menu that would not be for me. Love that. That's my favorite thing is having everything over cooking a big dinner. Like having a 12 person dinner party is my favorite thing on earth. Oh my god. Oh, yuck. Okay, so got to talk a little bit about season three of the valley, which is premiering April, April 1st April 1st. Okay, so very, very exciting. Tell me a little bit

“about how filming this season was compared to last season. Honestly, last season was so dark because”

we were all kind of right in the center of Jackson Brittany's separation, yeah, looming divorce. And I feel like Jack's kind of sucked the air out of the room a lot. It was like just very heavy. A lot of the topics that we were having to deal with because of Jack's. We're just really dark. And it just it felt like anytime we were having fun, it would be like Brittany would be like, guess what he just did or guess what he just texted me. And that kind of was like this dark

clouds kill. Yeah, around last season. And I feel like this season was it's the most I've ever laughed like, well, really. Yeah, it's had the most most fun. I feel like and it just felt a lot lighter and more fun. Great enough. There's still drama like there's a bunch of us like, you know, don't like each other or don't get along over certain things. So there's still all of that. But it

“just felt normal like bullshit that happens in life, not like really dark heavy topics all the time.”

Well, so interesting because in terms of like the two seasons I did on Housewives of New Jersey, the first season 13 was so much fun. And we had so it was again, there was drama. But it was like,

we still, we had so many laughs. The cast trip was like amazing. And then season 14 it turned into

a lot of just heaviness and darkness. And now we've been on pause for a couple years. So I, if I'm picking, I would definitely prefer than season three to season two of the valley. I'm so excited to watch it. Yeah. And you're also going to see Lala and Schwartz join, which I'm so happy about like Lala's been one of my best friends for years now. And so it feels right. I feel like one of the things that like the valley really like nailed in like in picking all of us is like all of us

are real friends in real life. Right. You know, Lala popped in. She was like at my birthday season one and she filmed a little bit season two and she was pregnant. And so you saw little bits and pieces of her because it would have been strange for her not to be a part of it otherwise, right. She in Schwartz are full time with us, which it just feels like right. I'm like, you know, all the stuff any time she wasn't at like a party or an event. And like this wouldn't, how this wouldn't be how it is like

if we didn't have cameras up. Right. So it feels like cameras are like now at the things that we would have off camera. Got it. It's all like lining up the way it's supposed to. You know, you have a best friend. It's next to you. It definitely changes everything. Right. It's like a sober best friend. Like Lala's sober. So like days after when all of us are like lit and having the time of our lives on camera and people are like, well, this person said this and then this happened.

Lala's like, oh, that's not like that. This person and she said this, then this happened and we're I'm like, thank God. I'm like, we have somebody sober in the group who can like fully just like recount everything as it happens and tell the truth. It's a Greek chorus. That's awesome. Yeah, I cannot wait to watch. So can you compare the valley and your experience on it with being in a

sort of like, yeah, I feel like in we all have our our individual like groups like, you know,

Brittany Lala Michelle and I like we have a group chat. We talk all the time. So I feel like in the sorority life, like you had your best friends or your group. Yeah. Then you had like the big group that you would see like at all the socials. So that's like, you know, people that are like, maybe we're not as close with, but like, you know, we're still in the friend group or you don't like that you have this anyway. Right. And then it's almost sort of like the bravo world, too, is like

other shows or sort of like other sororities. Like I remember talking to Gina from Orange County and being like, you know, sorority sisters, just a different sorority. Yeah. So the bravo kind is like, you know, getting to bring all that together, which is so much fun. Right. Sort of like mirror that, like that that sorority group, like there's different clubs and different different groups, but everybody kind of has the same understanding of like, you know, like you can you can bitch with

another sorority girl who's in a different sorority about like, oh, I have to go to like, initiate today and like the others and like, oh, chapter meetings are like, you know, so annoying on Sundays and I went, you have the same understanding for how things work. I have a confessional. I have a cast trip. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's interesting because I definitely clicked with people at BravoCon. And I, unlike a lot of people that go on reality TV, I am a fan. I've been a fan.

I watched every housewife episode ever. So it's a little bit of my first one, especially like I

get, I got a little star struck. Yeah. And but this last year, I was like, it was just so easy to

“connect with people because there's, there's just a shared experience there. I think that probably”

applies right to sororities in terms of just new, you're going, and especially like the sisters that you pledge with. Yeah. Right. It's just sort of this shared experience, which is really fun and very unique in terms of, I think, friendships, life, you know, long friendships and, you know, to be able to have that, to have that history together. You kind of bond to you, right? Totally. Yeah. That shared experience. Yeah. Yeah. Sharing your life, like getting love and hate

online, like, you know, it's something all of us, you know, no matter what show you're on or what you're doing, it's like everybody experiences like those highs and lows, you know, like the having to be in the glam chair so much. Yes. There is a lot of like shared experience. I feel like that all of us have, and yeah, Bravo Con, I have been such a big fan of so many Bravo shows for a long time now. Chris, you gave me forward on our show. It was like, you're a fan. I'm like,

“I'm a proud fan. I'm 100%. I think it's so much fun. And so yeah, same thing, like, getting to meet”

people from shows that I've watched for years in your house, so cool, right? You know, fine. So iconic. You getting to sit next to you. I heard words and be like, oh my god, Jen Fessler. So that's to be like, oh my god. It's just like, yeah, it's in a really exciting fun world. Yeah. I remember this past time, I met her before, but I was in the bathroom, Bravo Con, and Kathy Hilton and Nikki Hilton came out and Kathy, who has said this to me, other events.

And I'm bragging a little bit, but I can't help it. She's like, I love what you are wearing. Oh my god. She gave, she I, it was, I thought I would die. She's like, I love you. You look so chic. She goes, you really don't look like a housewife, which I thought was hilarious. She probably

thinks the housewife fashion is like so over the top and like extra. Yeah, I mean, I never really

“am old, so I've never like, you know, tits out for her on bay. So that's the expression, right?”

I love that expression. That's it. Good. Good. All right, my friend, I loved having you here. You're a dog. It was so much fun. It was really fun. I love you. The best. You're the best. Okay. You guys April 1st, Jen, I really am. I'm psyched. I love that it's going to be a little more fun, a little less dark. It's going to be good. I know, those are always the best seasons. Yeah, my love. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right, guys. So we will see you next

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