#3260 RHOBH S15E13 Part Two: Madame Butterfly AF

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But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. - So, Bubs is like, well, but it does come up, it does come up. And is it something to be hidden? Is that why, why is it why, why do you want to hide it? - She didn't hide it, it's in her blog post, that's the point.

And Bubs is like, okay, there's no problem if it's there on purpose. So, what are we even talking about? She's like, it just felt like a deep knife to get dirt on me.

“- Well, I mean, you should take it as a compliment”

because I don't usually go blame you one. But you said you've sold hundreds of thousands of books so I went to research a book. I meant a friend to school to fuck. - But like, cult is like a serious word,

'cause like, the mum is like cult. You didn't have to say gaya. And like, literally who would wear that, like, so gross. (clears throat) - Absolutely, meaning the criteria for a poem

in the environment has to be unique, controlling systems of reward and punishment. - I get it, I researched it before I said that I was in a cold, so that I was more credible when I said that I was in a cold.

- By the way, Amanda complaining that they were potentially doing a deep dive or like doing research on her to like dig up dirt. When she essentially started the season telling a sudden that she had talked to someone who knew Avie

and that Avie was talking shit about something. Like, don't people in glass houses shouldn't throw manifestation journals, that's what I'm saying. - She didn't google, she just went to a gay bar. - She went to gay bar and she got all the dirt.

So then, to be like, what was your experience? And she says, "Oh, see you wanna talk about the cold right now." She's like, "Isn't this what you're talking about?" Sure, well, the way they're reward and punishment worked is that. - No, just sort of on the beginning,

go back to the beginning, actually. And so, Amanda's like, "Uh, okay, let me open up this pain for everyone." - Just to start this off, right? Like the purpose of the cold, it's like a religion.

I mean, give us a highlight reel. Okay, log line it, elevator pitch me. - Did they serve President Melon in this cult?

'Cause it kind of sounds amazing if they do.

(laughs) - A lot of Rachel just bring her like, make this quick because I'm already bored by you. - The highlight, she's like, "Culton Hollywood are old." Is like, this better be a good cult.

- We've had Netflix's brought us so many good cult stories over the years, you cannot come in here with like, I was crushed in. Okay, so make it better. - So she goes, "Okay, highlight, we all, okay.

Girl growing up in the Bible about, they were close to her. Youth pastors, they were like parents to her. They're moving to start a church. So they recruited a lot of their church youth to go with them.

And at first it was like a church internship. And it was like pretty chill. Like, scary, isolating, scary, controlling. And I wasn't speaking to my family. And the more isolating and controlling it gets,

it's like, you no longer have words or language for like, regular world anymore. 'Cause you're like, in this system, that's like, not normal. So like, you just like, can't go out to the world

and you can't have a conversation because the way you think and speak is like, so not of the world anymore, right? I'm like, that applies to every single woman in this show by the way.

(laughs) - I mean, I don't, I'm just listening to the story trying to get the cold part, and Dary goes, so we out in the mood at that point. And she goes, "Well, yeah, we had day jobs to support

the church, but that was just like recruiting for the church, which let's. So, so you did go out into the world. I like that Dary, it's just like squinting at her,

“like, I think if you're encouraged to like,”

not talk to your family anymore or kind of ties, it does feel a bit more coldy to me. You know, like, yes, it does sort of also feel kind of like, okay, you're just being real super religious, but there's sometimes a fine line

between being super religious and being in a cults to be fair. - Well, yeah, I mean, look. I feel like it gets tricky because there are people who are like,

but I was in a cult and it was like this, it's not, I'm not even saying anything against that. I'm saying that Amanda in general comes across as completely full of shit. She's a drama queen whenever she has a problem,

It's like, you know, I'm mad at you.

My son died. Okay, well, we'll talk about it later, then it's later. But you talked about it when my son died. My son died, my son over and over. And then it's like, okay, well, you know,

don't be weird. - Don't you don't say that in my own house. - Oh my God, I last night I had crippling anxiety because of the abuse I suffered at this time. It's like everything she says is she spins it

to make herself this huge victim. And so I think at this point, when someone's like, I'm in a cult or I was in a cult and I ran away to the point where they make a blog post about it and make their own line personality kind of about this,

it needs to be more than I was in this kind of church where I followed the youth pastors and then they felt controlling and then I left. - Like, yeah. - It just needs, like, just for your own story,

it needs to be more. - I'm just giving you tips as somebody who is into this stuff, you need a better pitch for your cult because this doesn't sound too bad. - You know, it's like, you know, it's like Delta comfort plus

not really business class but like a little, a little touch of cult, you know? - Yeah, it sounds like a touch of cult is what it sounds. - A touch of cult. (laughs) - So no one's really buying it.

They're like, okay, and she says, yeah, you know, like it went crazy as it went on

and I finally said it to the pastor.

- I was like, y'all, I'm gonna go to college. (laughs)

“- But didn't you say you were like in your 20s when you joined?”

- Well, I was 16 when I met them and then I moved and followed them after ministry training. So I was like, in my team then. - So when you're isolated and young like that, those are the only people you socialize with, right?

Like, 'cause I'm just trying to help you build up the cult feeling of your story. It sort of just feels like you went to Florida. Okay, so cult, cult, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- You're very impressionable, you're very impressionable. I was in an Emilio Estevez cult. - Sarah, 'cause like, when I think of cults, I think of Charles Manson. I think of people out there murdering people.

What about that mother of God cult? You know, the woman that turned silver and they carried around her dead body around the back of the staged wagon or something and wrapped it in Christmas last.

Someone thought, "Mother God, you know?" Like, that's how she-- - That's it, that was her stuff, that's so funny. She's like, the lighting turned silver. And then they carried a dead body around

the back of a staging wagon, wrapped in Christmas lights. What? - Now that, that's the cult.

- I never heard about this one.

Did you know about this one? - Yeah, the mother of God. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. - There's a really good mystery about that one. - I missed that one.

I mean, I feel like I know the big ones, you know, obviously the hillbop one, well, I forgot their name. The ones that were the Nike shoes and they were like, gonna have them skate. Heavensgate, there was branch to video, there was nexium,

there was wild wild country, all I thought was good one. - That was a good one. Wild wild country was a very one. - That's a great cult. - That's great cult because as I was watching the documentary,

I was sometimes really on the cult side. And I don't often feel that way, but I was like, you know what? They were doing some pretty cool stuff. They built a whole society.

“Like, let them just have their own little world, you know?”

- Yeah, what happened with that one? They just got greedy in the end or something. - Well, they had a lot of town gown kind of issues, meaning that the locals didn't like them. And we're being sort of aggressive towards them,

so they were sort of fighting back. And then it was like, I tried to poison people out of solid bar in the town. - Right, they poisoned the solid bar. - Yeah, wasn't, wasn't, but then there was, but you know, the other thing is that the documentary

presented them as this like, very utopian society. And then the other side of it was like, no, they were doing crazy, like sex orgies and blah, blah, but also like, let them have their orgies, right? - You took, yeah.

- Anyway, I somehow missed this one. I missed this, this mother God cult, which makes me sad. - So America, the parents, the carolinas, you know? - The carolinas, what's that?

- Lade one, wasn't it the cool aid? - Oh, like the gym. - The cool aid comes from that. - Jim Jones, one. - Yeah. - Yeah, some good cults out there.

Yeah, so you've got a lot of competition. - Scientology. - You can't just be like, "Wow, I followed some youth pastors. "I had to get a job." It's like, I need more, you know?

“So I think that's what Erica sang, and I agree.”

And so she was, "But, you know, I mean, "maybe it's not like the man's and family, "but maybe it's a cohesive tightly controlled environment "and some people would type, you know, "some people that pick from yoga was a cult."

So, fuck, he got a boo. (laughs) - I don't really know what the point of Erica is. - I don't know what I tell was. - Erica's having the best season she's had

a long time. She's so funny just being there commenting on everyone else's stuff. Yeah, she's sort of like moving towards, like, just like, queen at the, drunk queen at the bar.

- It's time for commercial. - It's time for, crap, it's commercial. - So, Doritos goes. - So, what's there any physical and emotional?

Pringles abuse, and just--

“- So, I was just like a con, psychological,”

but not physical or sexual. And they want the girls to marry the boys in order to-- Well, I mean, you make babies right away. And I mean, then you're stuck there, am I right?

- But do they let you leave freely? - And the man does, like, "Oh, I ran away in the middle of the night." And I was like, "Ooh!" And so, Jennifer said, "Today, they have a track you down."

She's like, "Well, they tried. I called the place where the pastor was licensed and no ordained and told them to call him and to leave me alone."

And they did, and I never heard from him ever again.

- Like, I'm trying to forget his goes. - Wow, that was easy. - She's like, "I canceled my membership to the cult." It was very simple. - It was a form.

- It's harder to get out of a 24-hour fitness than this cult. - Tell me about it. I'm still fricking, subscribed to LA fitness, even though it canceled.

- Dude, need to. I still have 24-hour fitness calling me from like 20 years ago. And actually, I had to write, like, a lawyer letter, I had to do all this stuff, and I finally got out of it.

But then they refunded my money, and I didn't know about it. And it's like $200 that's been sitting in, like, the money owed thing in the state, so my uncle keeps going through to see if any carams are owed money, 'cause he's a miser.

And he keeps every year, he sends me an email, Ronny, you have money with 24-hour fitness waiting for you. But I can't get it because it's my old address

from like a billion years ago,

and I don't have anything with that address on it anymore. So it's just sitting there, Texas has it. Thanks a lot 24-hour fitness. He said 20 years later, or something, I still can't get that fucking money back.

That's a cult, Amanda. Well, it's like LA fitness, how I canceled my LA fitness, membership back in, like, 2020 or so. Like pandemic around then, and then I discovered four years later that they were still billing me, which is my own fall,

because I should look at my credit card statement more carefully. But like there's a lot of stuff on that statement. I'm sorry, I got lost. I don't know what happened, but I didn't see it. But I don't have any, like, I don't have a paper trail.

I don't have a paper trail to be like, I canceled it on this day, because I went into the gym, and I said, I'm counting, or I called them up, whatever it was. I don't have the paper trail. So now, I'm just like, I've been paralyzed,

because part of me is like, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna do something, and get my money back, 'cause I'm principal, this terrible, 'cause I'm principal. This is awful, but then part of me is like, well, but then I just have a membership,

so like, I do have access to LA fitness around the country, technically, right? So I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what to do, and now I'm just stuck getting charged, like, $14 a month.

You're still getting charged? - Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, you have to be able to stop it now, and you can still write the letter now and have them. - Yeah, I think I should, I think I should.

“I think, I think, principal is probably the best way”

to run your life. So, you know what, guys? I'm gonna leave the LA fitness goal. I'm gonna do it. They stop fucking charging me of that $12 or $14.

Although that is kind of cheap. - That's what I'm saying. Part of me is like, if they've been charging me like, $35 or $50, I'd be like, I'm out. But it's like a really good rate, so I'm like, I don't know.

- You know, like maybe I'll be in the city with an LA fitness, it's actually like this. - My gym in LA is like a one-off gym. So if I'm elsewhere in the country, I don't have access to gym memberships,

but like, do I really need gym memberships around the country? And then I think about it and like, what should I do? And then like, I'll just decide tomorrow,

and then I just never make the decision.

And then there it goes another $12. - Oh gosh, I love that. - So anyway, Jennifer's like, well, I think everyone is interested in this idea that someone like Amanda with like five mom cars

and really bright lipstick, got attached to a coat, but then she's like, but then I've asked, and then we're like, oh my god, and then what happened? He ran away in the middle of the night, and then she's like, that's it, hanging.

(laughing) - At the end of the spring, I was, yeah. It's like what, so it reads like, well,

“if you have to escape in the middle of the night,”

surely there must have been some type of pressure. Like, oh, I'm happy that you brought this up, actually, because like, it really wasn't at the forefront of my mind anymore, but then I brought it to me, and you know, like, I had a really great conversation with Erica,

and then I sat down, and guys, I have an announcement. I outlined my next book. And post was like, oh, oh my god, those are like, this charlatan, this month of bank. So Kyle's like, everyone's just like, oh my god,

Amanda goes, and it's gonna be on this topic, which is all kind of perfect. And I'm like, really happy about it. And Rachel's just like, oh my god, how am I? - I think they'll turn to her head away.

She just moves her head, and Kathy's like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Well, did you ever want to go back after you left? Because it was something that made you want to lead the system. Oh man, okay, well, I don't know if I have the stamina

Oh god, Amanda's the most boring story I've ever heard.

So she takes the dramatic sip of water, and to eat, it's like, well, if you're gonna write a book about it, you're gonna need stamina, trust me. There's I'm a book writer. - Oh, well, I can write a book, I've proven that.

And then everyone's just like, whoa, Amanda says,

“I believe that when you're open in life,”

you get exactly what you need. And I didn't know I needed a bad shit, crazy person, bring up the cold all the time to inspire me to write about it. But God delivered, and we are gonna capitalize on it.

We're gonna write the book. Thank you, Doree, bless her and her ghost writer. - She is so much crazy. So did I send you this social thing of her that she put on Instagram this week?

Come on, let me make sure now we can, I'm gonna play it for you now. Samantha with her bright red lipstick and hat, and she's walking around, and this is one of her positive Instagram messages.

- I bet I can help you raise your vibe in about 30 seconds, Doree. Everything works out for me. Money comes quickly and easily to me. Life is on my side.

God is on my side. I am on my own side. I know who I am. I know what I do. I expect the best.

I receive the best. I am the fucking best. I create good shit in the world, and I get paid for it. I love who I am.

I love what I do. I know my words. I know my work. I know my role in this world. It's all for my good.

It's all in my favor. - Just shut up already.

“- Why don't I feel like that person's going next?”

- I know my words. I love my words. - I love what she talks about. - What I mean? I know my worth.

No way. I'm in this world. She's walking past recycling bins. She's like, yes. Also, literally the most culty things

you could be saying right now. She's like, guys, I let the cult and I'm safe now. - Like she's, she could not sound like more of a cult leader than she does in this moment. - Yeah.

- I mean, you know, the message isn't bad. Like telling people, you know, you need to believe in yourself and positive thinking and everything. I think it's more the price list

than I'm like, oh fuck off.

It's like, well, okay, here's what you get.

$15,000 to journal. Like no, no, man. So yeah, she's foolish it. So the sentence, like, well, it's funny to me. But everyone's like, why do you want to share a room

with Amanda? Well, she's interesting in this very wild way. You know, 'cause Amanda, you have a very interesting life. - Okay, so how is the room? Do you enjoy it?

This is Amanda every five. Can't a badge. You know, I have a fine. - Well, you know, you don't stay listening to Taylor Swift when we got ready.

- This sounds like, yep, having a great time. Having a great time, rooming with her. Wow. It was not you anti hero four times in a row. - All of the Eric was disgusted.

She's like, oh God. - Rachel's like, like, wait, what happened? She said, like, what? So, Sutton is like, I was like, well, I just want to make sure that she feels welcome here

in the Florence with us. That's it. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you getting saw some brown. - Yes, I am getting involved.

- Cadi, I was, well, she can switch on the doll. - I'm going to watch over Sutton, right? Woo, woo, woo. - You're at the sun, brown. - So now it's the next day and Kyle's doing lunches

in the driveway. And she's like, oh my God, I'm going to talk, oh, I'm like jogging in place and stuff. And then we see Amanda and Sutton in their room. And Amanda is recording an Instagram reality.

She's like, "Good morning. "Have some exciting news. "I am riding the Don book, you guys. "Maybe I'll call it like spiritualist fuckers on thing. "I'm not sure, 'cause like everything says

"is fuck at the end 'cause that's my branding.

“"And this what I saw one night, and I believe in it.”

"I believe in me." You guys, I name the book and I'm talked about it on Instagram. It's happening. Thank you universe and thank you. - I love Amanda, clingy on to the as fuck convention.

It's like desperately clinging to 2017. - She's like, "Guys, I mean, everything AF." - It's so cool. - She's like hang on to Stasi slang from 2017. I know, seriously, she really kind of is,

like even Stasi's moved on. So now Doree's getting glam and Jennifer Chile goes, she puts on a mask and then she takes the glass elevator

down to the first floor and first she gets startled

- It's a fucking polar bear, right next to this glass

and then she realizes that she's actually trapped. And she's in some weird face mask. Did you already say that? So her face is like coming off and there's a polar bear and she's like, "Um, hello."

Hello. She can't get out. - I just wanted to cap a chain. I'm not the beginning of last. - And then we go to the villa courtyard.

And I just got that, lost to our friends. - Um, I just, so we go to the villa courtyard and now Kyle, on the heels of Kyle acting like she wasn't totally, you know, influencing Amanda, like Amanda thinks for herself and has her own opinions.

Now we have a scene where Kyle is going to tell Amanda how she should act and behave and respond to everyone in the group. - Yes, it's a Kyle and Amanda, it's a Kyle and set in pep talk.

So they come out and they go up to Amanda who's sitting there under a laptop and Kyle's like, "What are you guys up to?" She's like, "I'm writing my book." (laughs)

- I feel like it's like Amanda has like a crayon and she's like on a pad just like making big pictures. I'm writing a book, guys.

“- So Kyle is like, "So how are you feeling about last night?”

You want to be getting angry at someone?" She's like, "Well, if I'm being really honest and Kyle goes, "That would be nice."

I think I always am Kyle.

- Whatever. - Whatever. So to me, the energy and feels hostile, 10, you could cut it with a knife and that's not fun, that's not how I want to do dinner. Like, that's not how I want to do it.

It was hostile. - Well, then you have to make it stop. Yeah, but the person who can keep their chill and just say what they want to say is the person that's more control.

So it goes, "Well, I would go crazy. If someone went and found something and tried to make it really negative, it's not like she was saying, "Oh, this is all passing "to me tell me about this cult."

It's more like, "Well, you weren't a cult, you weirdo. "That's how it comes across." Get mad. So, well, I mean, do not feel like she's judging you about the cult.

- I mean, she's bombingly judging me. - And so Kyle's like, "Well, and she was upset "for you for judging her about the PK thing, "but then she's judging you about the cult." So, why don't you tell her

if she has such an issue with people judging before getting to know them, then why are you judging me for being in a fucking cult? That's what you need to say. Hello, are you gonna write this down?

Write it down. Write it down. - So, Kyle giving a seminar on how to be a housewife, which is hilarious. - But also, it's like the manipulation is just so blatant.

It's just right there. She has a resort to just like blatant manipulation for this Amanda girl. But honestly, she's also not totally wrong. I have to say.

So, Amanda's like, "Well, it's also certain "it's like they're both, you know, "sends like I'm friends with Drake now." So, that's why I'm gonna get this girl to yell it through.

- Yeah. - In the proper way.

“- That's why she wrote trying to use this girl”

as a weapon. Just, it's like, it's like deciding to arm somebody, but they can't be giving them like a floppy foam sword. You know, she's just not a good weapon. Get a better weapon.

You're trying to train the wrong guy. - They've got the wrong Trojan horse here. They just have a Trojan condom. So, a sudden is like, "Amanda, I'm sorry, "but you're frustrating me.

"Okay, don't let her steam roll over you. "Only we're allowed to steam roll over you." Okay, yeah, like don't let anybody, okay? I'm gonna get ready guys. I can't tuck in circles.

Like, 'cause you can't make a cat a dog. "I don't know what you meant by that, "but you probably should just go." It's not an expression, God. - God, that's not a thing.

- You can't even make a dog stop eating cat poop. - Wait, trying to watch while you were asleep on your new rolly TV and live in a room. - I thought that was pretty iconic. Like, can't we make it a meme?

Can we make it like a gift? That's like really on fleek. - You can't make a cat a dog, guys. - Okay, I'm running now. - So, Sutton is like,

"Well, connect with your feelings. "Okay, and share with them. "Share them. "Why am I in Cheetos?" - Why?

- God damn it.

“- See, I'm like being in touch with my feelings.”

- God damn, share it. - Oh, God fucking shit out. - I still eat 'em. You know, it's just my nature, man, but learn. - Oh my God, oh my God.

Oh my God, oh my God. If I have a long fire, in the original zone of room. Guys, I can't even believe this. Pamela, Pamela, I literally wake up out of a jet lagged blackout sleep.

And I get this message from Kias and he says, "Mum, I heard you match with Amanda Francis." I was like, "Oh my God, how did you find out? "I'm like, mortified. "I'm embarrassed.

"Did you get to have your pursuit melon this morning?" I didn't even get to have that. I'm like, it's awful Pamela. So I want to kill myself because I can't even believe I wasn't awake.

And it was like six a.m. my time here. So I'm like, I feel I'm just gonna throw up. Like, time differences, like, oh my God. Pamela. - Yeah, I get this text from Kias.

And he basically tells me, you know,

has dad sat him down to talk about the girlfriend. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a drink comes in, she's like, "Baby, baby, oh baby.

"Look at this text from Kias. "Look at it, look at it.

“"I'm sorry, it's hard to read because the text was moisturized.”

"Just wipe it off a little bit." (baby crying) Okay, you can stop reading now as too much. The conversation I have with him, you know, I won't say his name.

Roger, no, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it. Okay, I would, okay. It was just to tell him, tell them about the boys and about the girlfriend. And like, I don't, I said, don't bring her around

without my consent. Like, I thought him bringing her to the airport for camp was the worst. And I already annihilated him for that.

Okay, but then the first night you're fucking with them.

You're like, she brings her along. No, yes, the first night, in like five, six weeks. And like, this is what you do, that, that. But he knows you're a wee. He knows I'm a wee, he knows you're a wee.

He knows I'm a wee, he knows you're a wee. I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah, he's a fucking asshole. He's a fucking asshole. Oh my goodness, guy with him.

No, he's at his best friend's house. So like, hi, hi.

“Well, without, guys, guy, and without me, me.”

It was terrible. Who's me, me? Just me. ♪ C'mon, shoes, here comes one right now ♪ So, what prompted him?

In that moment, you're not around. He just decides to drop, drop a bumbley, no? Well, can you imagine this? It's like, Kaya's can't even reach me. And then I can't even call him now

'cause it's like five, third in the morning there. Like, the whole thing is so twisted. This is confusing to me 'cause she's already said that the kids know about the girlfriend. I mean, they've talked about it on here,

but yeah, I guess that's something you need permission for when you like introduce that. And talk right after they sat this down. Sat them down, I'm gonna tell you, like Adad, he has a girlfriend or whatever.

He like had like the talk and Rachel did not know that he was gonna have that talk. He knows men are so stupid.

Why are they always in such a rush?

It's like, oh, here's the new one. Yeah, this just happened in my family. Where the X is like, hey, I know I haven't seen my kid in months and months. So I'm gonna make a dinner to see my kid.

So they go and they're like, okay, I'll go meet you for dinner. And he shows up and then the girlfriend shows up. It's like surprise. And they're like, oh, yeah, I didn't agree to come.

(chuckles) Did it agree to come to dinner with you and your girlfriend? He's like, oh, it's wide, just a surprise. It's like, what is your desperation

with like forcing this? Your kids don't care. You know, think about someone else. You fucking, yeah, that's annoying. So to read, like, sharing your kids

that with your kids that you have a girlfriend is such a finality. 'Cause you know what that does to a mother, thousands of miles away. Not being able to sweep it and grab your kids

and make it better. It makes you feel like a failure. A failure who's matching with a man to friends is just insult injury. Yeah, forcing my kids to be in a situation

where they don't feel comfortable. I mean, one time, Kai has went to a school that didn't have moisturizer in the bathroom. And he was out of there in two seconds, putting up with this shit.

To me, this is absolute blatant disrespect, disregard for the family dynamic. And it's like the only thing that I'm actually thinking about now is like, how do I get home?

Is there a pursuit melon on the plane? Can I just get on a melon? Write myself in pursuit and fly to California? How do I do it? There's no way I'm having fun right now.

What do you mean there's pursuit melon here? Oh my God, I love this trip, I'm staying. Kai, do you want to say it? I love you, I love you. I love you, they can come to me.

“So, Doreet is like, are you going to message RUJAH?”

It's like, yeah, I already did. I was like, what the fuck are you thinking? I was like, did you ever take drugs? And you know what, if I ever took drugs, now would be the time.

Because if I ever smoke cigarettes, this would be the time. This would be the time. If I ever burned cars in the street, now it would be the time.

OK, if I ever provide a cocaine to Lindsay Lohen, now it would be the time. [LAUGHS] Do you radically guys, in my head, any biases? I would have them right now.

Oh, gosh, so that's that. So Amanda is just oblivious, man. I love this Amanda just being like, why, but now I'm riding my bucket in land, just don't understand why everyone's so man.

But they do need to stop trying to make this fight between Dury and Amanda happen. It's over nothing, give me a break. You guys need to do more. This cannot, I cannot believe we're about to enter episode 14.

And you guys are still trying to get Amanda to fight with Dury about some innocuous comments she made in episode three. Come on, no, it's a real challenge. It's, well, running on empty.

Well, I mean, we had fun. That's the good. Yeah, I always have fun.

And you know what, I always have fun watching it, too,

This trip is kind of giving me vibes of that one

where they randomly surrender pump off.

“And then the rest of the season was completely dull.”

And they went to France. Wasn't that the same season they went to? Yeah, and it was so painfully boring. And Lisa Rina just kept running around being like, we're so fun.

Are we having fun girls and cos like, oh my god. We're so fun with that Lisa Vanderpomp. And it was just like, oh, God, Spain fall. Yeah, at least this season you do have like, Amanda France is being a total idiot.

And like, that's like, you know, there's stuff to make fun of there. And that once Vanderpomp was off of that season, it really came ground grinding to a halt. But that being said, like, it is, you know, it's fun for us, but it is kind of a tough watch for me.

And I just get mad that, you know, Miami is sort of like on pause and being reconfigured or you have Andy saying like, well, we just wanna get it right, you know, and we got these other shows on. So we just wanna get Miami right.

And then you got something like Beverly Hills, just taking up space.

And like this is a show that has really never had to have like,

a moment of, you know, like, reconstruction, you know, or I try to figure it out and like rejiggering. And I'm like, I kind of think they need to do that a little bit. Like, they need to give it some time. Actually, they did have a moment.

They had one time where they were like three months. They spent like an extra three months before they came back. But like, let's, let's after this season, let's have like a moment with Beverly Hills. Let's just like have a hard look at it and see what we can fix.

And let's let us show like Miami, which actually in my opinion required no tweaks, no adjustments, no reason for pause. Let's have that come back. Because like, there's just no reason for this show

to just be getting a pass season after season. - Yeah, but this show does have some good things going. I mean, the stuff that is good about it, I think is really good. I mean, their friends over great Kathy and Jennifer.

- Yeah. - They don't, you know, have to do much 'cause they're just friends of, but they're still hilarious. I mean, the most iconic thing from this was Jennifer and that elevator.

- Yeah. - Don't look happy. - And then Kathy's one line from the episode is kind of the one that they've been using for the whole season in preview.

So they've still got that stuff. Erica's been pretty funny this season. Doreeds fine. I mean, they're gonna just, they just need to, both as a great voice to have on the show.

“But I mean, honestly, they just don't have anything going on.”

They need at least three new people who are absolutely co-co. - I agree. I think we need some agitators there. I think that Bose is great.

I think Doreed is actually kind of great. I think Doreed and Bose and Sun are all really strong. Although we need Sun's track. - No. - Sun and round.

- I think Sun's done. - Yeah, I think that she probably would be done. I think Erica honestly could be moved to friend of. - I think Erica's only moved to friend, yeah. - As someone who comes in, who just like,

- A little, I don't know. - Like she's really good in this role, like you said, as sort of being this kind of side character who's just chiming in. That's fine.

And then that also takes care of how the fight this doesn't really share anything. And you can keep Jennifer and you can keep Kathy as all friends, that's we don't need Natalie. Quite frankly, I think--

- That's Kyle's time for you to get out. - What'd you say? - I don't even hate Kyle this season as much as usual, but I think-- - No, Kyle's just tired and doesn't do anything.

She's got it. - I was gonna say-- - And they have a new anchor now with Rachel. - I think so too. I think you can have Rachel as an anchor.

I think Kyle and this is not coming from like a long standing, like, oh, we just love to dunk on Kyle. But I do think that Kyle may be kind of at the end of the line for her. You know, this is sort of where Candy Burr is was,

where it's like, you know, ultimately we acknowledge

that Kyle is a significant part of this franchise, but she's just sort of run as theme. She's not really doing anything interesting and she's sort of trying to sort of pop, but I feel like she's reached the end of the road.

And I think that that's dragging the show down to a certain degree. It's still very entertaining and those-- - All right, so we have get rid of Kyle, get rid of Sutton, Demote, Erica, who else?

“I think you need to get rid of one more to bring in three people.”

- Like who else? - Well, I guess Amanda maybe, I don't know. - I don't know. - Yeah, did I not say Amanda? Yeah, get rid of Amanda's mom.

Amanda's just fun on funny, you know? - Yeah. - It's fun to watch her annoy people, but I don't think there's anything. - Yeah, she's like a good one season.

She's a good one season. I wanted to, you know, like, fodder, cannon fodder. So get rid of Sutton, Kyle, and her, and bring in three absolutely bonkers people. - Well, I'm sorry, I would say,

if we're getting rid of three, I would get rid of Kyle, Erica, Erica downgraded, Amanda, and Kyle fully off the show. I think you could maybe give Sutton one more season. If we're getting rid of three,

I would say Erica over Sutton, just because Sutton, when she's unhinged, is like incredibly entertaining, and I think that she's just trying to have a, quote unquote, normal season,

and if we can go, like, get her back to being sort of batshit, like, that would be good. - Yeah, I'm not giving passes anymore.

I'm always, I've always been a Sutton fan,

but this year is just, you're giving nothing, so go. That's what I say. I'm not, I have no more patience, like you're all fired, all three of you,

and then remote Erica, and remote Erica in the most complimentary way,

“because, yeah, I think she should still be here.”

And then get two, three new wackadues, and have them mix with this cast. They need it, they need to do it. It's still in high-estrated housewives, you know? - I know, this is the ratings,

but they are lower, they are a lot lower. They're still the highest rated, but they could be so much better and they're coasting. So, come on back. - It's me it's very interesting

that so many of the legacy shows on Bravo are actually kind of struggling. You know, New Jersey, they're having issues, obviously, and having issues with New Jersey,

Atlanta has been sort of having issues over the past few seasons. This show is sort of dull. Like the marriage medicine, a lot of people, it's been all over Twitter for this past weekend.

The last week's episode, I think broke people. And people are just like, what is going on with marriage medicine? It's like, Twitter's been like a wash. And like, remember, the glory day is a marriage medicine.

So, marriage medicine is having issues. Like, all the old guard is having issues right now, and the new shows, and obviously, Rooney is like a perpetual problem now. But like, the new shows are flourishing.

So, it's kind of, I think there's something about these older shows. Like, how long do we keep these shows around

“before you have to like give like a full refresh”

because if they stick around for too long, maybe they just kind of, you know, die on the vine a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I still love them all.

By the way, this all comes from a place of love. It's not me hating on any of it. I think it's probably the same for you. We love these shows. We just want to see them be their best.

Yeah. But you do, you know, we see that Bravo still has it too, because you look at things like, Rojas was a Rhode Island has to even come out. Yeah, and I know that's going to be good.

That was amazing. Ladies of London is great. That's a really good one. Um, Miami, I'm not supposed to say it. Miami Salt Lake City, like,

put Potomac City. Salt Lake City had an awkward, it had a kind of a downer's last few episodes. But I think for the most part, that was a pretty fun season, too.

Um, I think South Salt Lake City is like a little bit in a danger zone of, okay, you guys are starting to become a little bit too self-aware or too, like, self-producing. But it's still by and large, like a super, like, super, super strong show.

Um, I think the new Vanderb own rules is get Southern hospitality is a great example. Like that Southern hospitality. Yeah, you know. Yeah, so the good, you know,

they're still pumping out some really good stuff. So they've still got a lot of talent around there. It's just these legacy shows and being afraid to fire people when it's time, you know, and it's time. Good bye, Kyle.

Good bye. Good bye, Kyle. By the way, I would, my controversial hot take is that I, that I actually think that season two of Dubai was really great.

And that also is another example of, like, a newer show. Although season one, I thought, sucked. I hated season one, but season two was really good. So another piece of evidence that we can, we can create something new and we can, like,

“if you want to, like, wrap your head around it properly,”

like, Bravo knows how to, like, put together a really entertaining show. Well, I'm sure they all listen to this. They're all on board meeting right now, just playing. Thank you, Bravo. All right, everybody, well, thanks so much for being here.

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