S2E19: Talk Tracks Season 2 Episode 8: A Non-Speaker and A Family Secret

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“In this series we'll dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths”

from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that we've together are understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like side abilities. If you haven't yet listened to the telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiences

who illuminate extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today but won't for long. In today's episode, we hear from an incredible family in Rockville, Maryland. Ethan is 24 years old and he was finally unlocked when he began spelling his thoughts on a letterboard at the age of 18, and like many families that you've heard on this podcast, spelling his thoughts on a letterboard, open a door. That door led somewhere unexpected, along with poetry and complex communication,

Ethan began describing connections to ancestors, a spiritual plane similar to what others have called the hill, and experiences of telepathy within his family, a secret they kept locked away. They even joked that before they heard the stories of other families via the telepathy tapes, they thought they were alone and leading a double-life because of it. In this episode, you'll hear from Ethan's parents and siblings about diagnosis, doubt, belief, and what change when Ethan finally

had a reliable way to communicate, but you'll also hear from Ethan himself. I should note the whole family was together recording this episode over a zoo, which was so fun, and Ethan was often up and down and in and out, so you'll hear him in and back on at times. First, his sister, Madeline, gave me a brief introduction to the family. So right now we're in Rockville, Maryland, which is where my parents live with Ethan and Jack. We all grew up here and now kind of have

“gone our separate ways, but always come home and I think Ethan's definitely. What brings us all”

back together home? Ethan's mother, Jennifer, describes what it was like with Ethan from the time he was born. So Jennifer, what did you start to notice that Ethan might be different from other kids? It was pretty obvious right away. For so he was my third and fourth. It was a twin. He was just so flat and helpless that I thought he was going to you die in his sleep. So I had one twin in the bedroom and one twin next to my bed. It's like you just know something's not right.

He never tried to eat. Never. It was an easy baby, but there was something flat.

And then he was diagnosed pretty early on. And for you, when you got the diagnosis, I mean, was it pretty hopeless or were you given any shred of hope that you'd have a connection with him someday or that he'd be in there? It was pretty hopeless because the right away they said send him to school, do ABA. And I was like, I'm not comfortable. I didn't want to send my other kids to preschool. So they didn't. There's no options out there for you to do it on your own.

Ethan starts spelling when he was 18 years old. How did that change you just to meet him for the first time? And I felt terrible because I really treated him sort of like my baby. Took him to speech therapy. I took him to OTI. I tried to, of course, get him to talk. But when it didn't happen, I was like, I'm okay with this. He's my baby and he's with me. And everyone, yeah, I was like, oh, we knew he was so smart. We didn't really know he was so smart. I knew that, you know, he was logical. He wasn't going

to maybe walk into traffic. But once he started to talk, felt horrible. You can see he was smarter than anybody, right from the get go. I mean, he would just make jokes about commercials on TV. I'm like, how are you making the pun about a commercial? How are you? He would read these poems and

oh, we were such a good teacher. I wasn't. We watched TV. We watched baby tapes. You know,

“we sang together. We went to the park all day because that's what he did. We went to the pool all day.”

From many non-speakers, the school system is not a viable option. For Ethan, he was unable to sit still at all. His mom worked with him and tried to meet him where he was at. He spent many days walking or running at parks, swinging endlessly or swimming. All of that movement was necessary for him to feel regulated enough to attend therapy sessions in speech or occupational therapy or music therapy and eventually RPM would help him form the motor pathways to spell out his thoughts

on a letterboard. Once Ethan started spelling, his family finally started getting to know him

in a very different way. Here's his sister Madeline on her early experiences with his typing. So when he started typing, I was obviously really excited and I would get like really short messages from him and his communication partner at school. Like I would waded the computer and be like,

“oh my gosh, what is he gonna say? It felt like an overnight click of we were able to type together.”

I went to one session and observed his communication partner and she kind of walked me through how to assist him, how to hold the iPad and then it was like boom, we figured it out. It was like all of his observations of our family, all of the like interpersonal relationship he has with all of us, family drama, funny stories, like everything from our past, he was able to kind of tap into and we just like talked for hours and hours and hours. When Ethan started spelling

to communicate by pointing to letters on a letterboard, he revealed a love for poetry writing. His poetry was super exciting for me because in my knowledge I was the only artist in the family.

I was like, I always needed my favorite person but you're this amazing poet and we can sit and

talk about art and how we create. I always loved Ethan so much but then to like crack open this whole other side of him was just incredible to see how amazing he truly is.

“Yeah, that is so incredible. Do you have a favorite poem that he's written that you want to share?”

Yeah, I think my favorite poem of his is I am a tree. This one is one of the first ones I assisted typing and just I just felt such like pride and amazement as I was just watching him type. One letter at a time, this like amazing poem with very little edits. Here's Madeline reading the poem. This is I am a tree. I tower over humanity, stoic and strong on the outside, lonely and longing on the inside. I know laughs from cries. I know your friends and soul mates.

I live for your gossip and gawk in the face of your enemies. I have wisdom behind my bark. Know the air you breathe comes from my love for you. Providing is a thankless job. My life provided air to your ancestors. I watch them grow. I've been standing on this earth since before your first breath. I have eyes and ears that live through many more decades than you have existed. My heart breaks for those who can't see my domination over our ecosystem. They only pay

attention to me if my leaves change color too early. If the buds of my flowers forget to bloom, look beyond the limbs, peeling and broken sapplings. Look beyond the hungry parasites that invade me. There is love in God's design. My roots are dug so deep into the earth. My creation was not a mistake. Love is in the veins of being from heaven and earth. While you are here, be kind to the trees. Kind of love that. Wow. I love it too. It's also he's super tall. He thinks like six four.

So we always kind of joke that he towers over us. So I love the parallels of like him being

so tall and comparing the trees of just towering over everyone with the wisdom that they have. They love it. We've shocked that there was this poet in there. It was overwhelming. Ethan's typing skills took off around 2020 and then he slowly began revealing to the family his telepathic ability and so much more. He kind of waited to introduce the telepathy at like part to me bringing up kind of things that happened in my life that I haven't told people. Even things

of like being bullied in middle school. He said, oh, I can give you insight on that. I can give you insight about this thing that happened in college about my performances. My head study needs it. So like my head space is in performance and how I would get nervous. Like all of these things one time I sat down and he could tell I was thinking like, can you make my mind like how am I ever going to tell people if he can? Because this is a little bit crazy. And so I was having

these like almost doubts and thoughts. He sat the next me and he was like, you're thinking of eating this for lunch. You're thinking about this story from the past. He goes, and you're thinking about this boy on hand to you or you want to kiss. And I was like, oh, it was like Ethan. I was like, how do you know that? He's like a part of life you want on a day. I know this and he told me details

or just click into your mind? Like how did he say he knew the profile of the hinge profile?

He just had how to description and it was almost like he did see it through my eyes just because of how just clear it was so like simple to the point. But his abilities didn't end with telepathy.

“I happen to be really into dreams. I think they're super fascinating. And something I would do”

every morning as I would wake up and I would just as a conversation started to be like, hey, Ethan, what did you dream about? And we would type about his dreams. And then he mentioned, you know, I see angels and my dreams. And he said, my angels and he named three names. And I didn't know one of them. And I was like, huh, well, what were their names? My great-grandman, Annie Jean, my great-grandma, Annie Bert. And then he said, and Harriet. And I was like, who's Harriet?

That's weird. And so I was like, mom, who's Harriet? And my mom's job literally dropped. She was like, oh my goodness. Like that's my other grandma sister who passed when I was really young. And I just didn't hear that name a bunch. That was like, do you see these angels when you're awake too? And he was like, yes, I do. I was waiting for you to ask. And it kind of even went a step further that he feels kind of more and more shared how intertwined we've been.

“And it was everyone believing him or were you? I mean, I think belief in a family can take a while,”

and I've watched this with my family's. You know, someone just like a holdout. Like, how did it go for all of you? Like, around the medium ship that's lovely, even the competence, just believing that he was writing those words. Totally. I think the typing everyone believed all along everyone was

on board. He shared with me first the medium stuff and the telepathy stuff, you know,

delve into psychics myself. So it made sense that he told me first. So when the telepathy tapes came out, like, did that and bolden you to talk more about it or like, how did that affect your family's psyche? I mean, that's got to be so strange to be like, I'm alone and then like, whoa, this is a major, this is bigger than I thought. Yeah. So I thought it was really difficult at first. I was like, I feel like I'm living with this major secret, like, living a double life. And we are

really afraid to share with other people. There were so many people with kidadautism who dotted just the typing period. So it was really scary to, first of all, like, it stains when people have those doubts. But then when you're getting these amazing poems and messages, we were so scared to share because like, you didn't want anyone to, like, jab at this amazing experience we were having.

“Honestly, like, the first two years, it felt like my whole family was in this secret club”

together. So it's really amazing that the telepathy tapes came out when it did. I was curious what Ethan's parents had to say about all of this. Here's Ethan's mom, Jennifer again. How is all of this change due? This is all very new to me, but I wasn't as shocked as my husband. The minute he said

it, there was no question. Look up, look, of course. And there were always weird things. I mean,

having a child with autism was really hard, but there was something about Ethan that he would get at. Sometimes I had four kids. I would be overwhelmed. He just knew. She's going to lose it. I'm going to chill. And I'd be like, how does he know that the other three don't? Right? The dribbler would be nasty. I'd have to get in the car and pick somebody up. Anything would just get himself up and get in the car. So it was almost like, you know,

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And my dad just starts crying and he's like, what? And my dad is one of those people who's, you know, I would say very earth-based science-based logical dad. So I was so relieved and happy that

he kind of could use this amazing example to instantly hook dad because Ethan never met Harriet.

Here's Ethan's dad, Joe. It really was Ann Harriet that sealed the deal for me. I was very close towards my mom's sister and she was like the fun aunt and I always wished the kids had met her and spent more time with her and it was just wasn't in the car she died when she was like 70. But she was like a very close confinant and then when my wife showed me Ethan's typing and said, you know, I talked to spirits and I talked to Nani, Gina, like, okay, that's whatever. I wasn't believing

at that point and I talked to Nani Burke and that's my father-in-law's mother. So it was a great

“grandmother and then he said, I think it was and this nice lady named Harriet and I was like, oh my,”

because there was just no way. I've not spoken about this person. And he never seen a picture of her.

Never. Wow. Now he describes her. To the T and in a way the way he looked with mediumship and the way that he talked about her or when she was quote-unquote visiting with us, her personality just came out. Was it words that she said or like expression she used? The words she said to me because I was doubting, she called me by my nickname that no one really knows and exposed that which was CHAP, C.H.U.K. And then I forget what I was saying. I was like, come on, this is just,

you know, I can't believe this and she goes, please stop because I'm talking to you from the king dead. He's act words. Okay. And it doesn't, oh my god, that's that's just, that's her. Wow. What a gift. Yeah. Madeline tells us another story that helped convince her dad of

“Ethan's mediumship abilities. Then another example was our uncle Arnold who passed. He recalled”

fishing stories that him and my dad shared that no one would know. What would be an example of one of the fishing stories he spelled? Oh, gosh. Like, you know, someone got seasick and someone threw up off the boat. Someone did number two off the boat. Like, funny things that, I mean, only people who were there would recall, you don't come home and say, hey, I threw up off the boat. But Ethan's laughing, saying, you know, uncle Arnold told me, you know, you almost had

an accident on the boat. This shocked Ethan's dad, Joe. Here he is, recalling the fishing trips in question. It would be my father-in-law. Arnold or friend of my father-in-law is in my brother-in-law. And it was just men being, you know, jerks out in the middle of the ocean. We would drive 50 miles out to see to try to catch big fish. And we were terrible fishermen. And it was just, we just make it fun to be each other the whole time. So Arnold would bring up these stories about, I was

got seasick, being sick. Or, you know, my father-in-law and not knowing how to operate the boat or going through a storm. And it was impossible for Ethan to know all this stuff. Because he wasn't,

“he wasn't there. How did that change you or your view of the other side after life? Honestly,”

I'm still very, very confused by it. And I struggle with it. But I'm much more accepting and much more open to the aspect that there's more than one life and that being, you know, have energy and energy doesn't go away. It just transfers. Did you grow up underneath any religion or faith philosophy or pretty agnostic? Pretty agnostic. I would say, I am not a religious person. I was forced to go to Hebrew school, but I, I was pretty cut and dry and pretty black and white.

I didn't think there was a God. And I figured when you died, you died and, you know, yes, you were sleeping forever and that was it. That's gotta be just unbelievably, I think my altering the start here and the stuff was the telepathy, like was that just like what the heck, or did you think of that was that harder to believe? Compared to everything else, the telepathy

was easy to believe in. First off, his typing to me was just amazing in the sense that we never

knew he could read. And when he went to tell, he just started typing. And to me, that was like the big kind of, okay, this is for real because I never knew he could read and he's writing and his vocabulary was that of a 50 year old. Someone who has lived like really lived and the way he used his words and the way he delivered his poems, you know, he wrote a poem about my wife. Who's it called? You're my angel. My mother is an angel. My mother is an angel.

Ethan's poem. My mother is an angel. Can be heard on our backstage pass. But I've gotta tell you,

it, but then Ethan has a really neat way of just bringing me back, not down to earth, but up to, up to beyond. I was curious if Ethan had ever brought up going to the hill. Has he ever brought up the hill? When you guys heard about that in the telepathy tapes, what did you think about that?

Here's Ashley. He's always called to the plane, but it's the same concept as the hill,

more basically he can communicate with people who are both dead in the life. Some of like people who are as spiritual who he knows, he can communicate with on the hill. The better I think it's our dead ancestor is who he communicates with. When did he first talk to you about the plane?

“Like was this part of your family's secret before he realized there's others out there?”

Yeah, he kind of brought that up as soon as he told us he was a medium that this was this place he went to, and he could communicate with people telepathically, and that it was his voice without having a voice if that makes sense. It's so remarkable, so he and he said that other non-speakers were there. Yeah, it does sound like it's the hill. The way Ethan describes it is very similar and it is a lot of it is based on like love and appreciation and acceptance. The family has also revealed

Ethan has expressed having extensive knowledge about his past lives. Here's Ethan's mom, Peterine members, all his past lives. And his life to be special because he says this is his last one, and this is his hardest life. This is his first life with autism. This is his first life as a medium, and he needs to make it special, and he feels bad what he stole from our family. We didn't really go on vacation. We didn't go to restaurants. We stayed home.

“When did he so bring it past lives? And how was that for you to like, my handle?”

Doesn't bring it up so much now because there's so much other stuff, but it's just unbelievable. And he knows our past lives too. Wow. Does he say if you all were together in each

life? He was always with Manolin, myself, and Jack, the twin, but they were never twins,

but they were always together, and he was never autistic, like I said. This is all, it sounds crazy to say, but yeah, it is interesting because it comes up a lot from a lot of non-speakers. Some of it's scary, but he knows how people passed. He knows how he passed in his last life. He knows how his brother passed. And then some of the ways that we have passed, it shows the things that were anxious about now. Give me an example that's fascinating. Here's

Matalan again. Our younger brother, Jack, is going to afraid of the water and boats like forever. We would go on a boat as a family and Jack would be like, nope, I'm staying home, guys. Like, you have fun. We could not get into going to boat and eat then shared that he passed from a boat accident in his last life, but he was like a sailor and it happened in a harbour and he was he was working on a big ship and that he like tragically died. Another weird thing is he says,

sometimes in his dreams, he goes and he visits his last family before us, like his soul does, which is so fascinating. In the family's initial email to our team, they mentioned that you can have a near-death experience that affected him in a profound way. I asked if they'd share that story. Here's Ethan's older sister Ashley starting it off. So the story started, it's kind of started with me and then ended more with my mom and Matalan. But the first time I went to

typing school with Ethan, I was asking him what flavor cake you wanted me to make for my grandma's birthday. And she wrote peanut butter. So for some context, Ethan's twin Jack has a very severe

peanut allergy. I would grow up in a completely peanut free household. So Ethan has never consumed

“a peanut in his life. So I was like Ethan, like, I feel you, you should try peanuts and I even”

confirm with my mom that he had gotten allergy testing with Jack when they were babies and he wasn't allergic. That all passed when I called him to Matalan because the rest of the story says, "So I was with my mom and Ethan was getting a haircut, and I think it's pretty universal, people with autism don't enjoy getting haircuts, and this was like a particularly rough one. My mom was like Matalan, go walk over to Harris Teter and get him a treat. And I was like,

I have the perfect treat. Let me give him some peanut butter mnms because he's been wanting to try them, which was my mistake. So I got the peanut butter mnms and I walked back over to the hair salon, and I gave Ethan one and he loved it. So he ate the whole bag very fast. We thought everything was fine, we left, and my mom Ethan and I walked to the car and Ethan kind of starts coughing, but we don't really feel that alerted. And then once we get into the car,

we notice something seriously wrong. Like his face is bright red, he has shortness of breath, and I remember like me and my mom locking eyes in the rear of the mirror, and me like, we need to go to the hospital right now. This is bad, this is serious. And Ethan like crawled up and laid in my lap, and it was staring at me like he could not breathe.

because at that point he was going in and out because he couldn't breathe. He got an epipen and luckily, like by the grace of something, everything was fine, but he was so close to death. It was such a close call. Thank God that he made it out, and that he recovered and we got to go home that night. And once he really started typing at home, he said when he was going through anaphylactic shock. I was in a waiting space. It was beautiful. I couldn't see beyond the gates,

but I could see mom and Maddie. I could hear you all. My nanny Jane gave me the push to get up. I believe Jane is my guardian angel. I know she was chosen for me. She said, "Get up." So I did. Classic me running into the hospital. I'm known to take off running at odd times. Up there in heaven, the angels told me to embrace the letters. They knew I could type. We talked about my ability to communicate with the dead. I saw heaven and I came back twice.

I never take a day for granted. I always think God for each day. I feel more vulnerable.

After this experience, things are going to get better, and they didn't. And the nanny he was saying was saying, "Get up." She's a living nanny. I wish she'd on the other side. She's past. She's my great-grandmother. Okay. So she was cops in the car. He was laying on my lap, and we rolled up an Ethan literally bolted inside, and then laid down on the ground in the ER. So he was saying that your grandmother, who's passed away, was saying to him in the car, "Get up."

Yeah, and that will him get up and run into the hospital. Yeah. Wow. What a story. Is he talking about the future? What are some of the things he wants to do? Or does he even dreams or hopes? Here's Ashley. Yeah. We're currently working on writing a book. So that's something he wants to do. And mostly, I think just wants to educate people on his experience, being a non-speaker, being autistic, to let by the, I think he just wants to normalize it,

“and help people understand what his life is like and what others' lives are like.”

Thanks to all of our listeners who sent in questions to non-speakers via our backstage pass, we sent some of those listener questions and advanced to Ethan. And I just want to remind listeners that we will be collecting all the questions you submit over our backstage pass, and continually asking those to all the non-speakers that we'll be interviewing over the next few months.

Now I know he wrote all these amazing answers to some of the questions. Who wants to read those

or do you want to get turn reading the questions and answers? He said he wants me and Ashley to read his answer. Okay. The first question is, what are the top three things you want humanity to understand and do in these times based on your elevated perspective? Ethan's response was, be open-minded, put humanity first. Doing good gets you further than money and greed. Life is short compared to heaven. Hoping humans will act better knowing this.

I love how love intertwines every thought. I love my abilities so I can be a part of my family's life,

“regardless of my physical presence. My life is important. It gives me purpose to give spiritual”

guidance to my family and friends. God helps if you let him. Love is religion enough. God can be polarizing.

Compassion and relive is the way. So the second one is, I've been working with autistic non-speakers

since September of last year doing RPM sessions. I would love to know how to best help my students. Some days I failed to feed it in discourage and think I'm not doing a good job. How can I improve or enhance my perception of what the students need? Sometimes I feel like they are trying to connect with me but I can't receive the message. So Ethan's answer is, trust in your instincts. The answers are there. Listen to your mind. Big problem knowing the answers and ignoring the instincts.

You will have no problem connecting once you trust that not all of your thoughts are yours. I love my rolling knowledge from spirits. I love assisting in this by directly reading. That's a great answer. Okay number three is, when you are on the hill, have you been in the presence of and are communicated directly with non-human intelligences? And are you able to ask some questions and receive their responses? If so, why are they not

openly disclosing their presence on earth? Ethan's response is, I truly believe there is intelligence that goes beyond the human race. There are things you want to believe if they're word of mouth. The hill is not a granted wonderland that all of us go to. It's what we make of it. I can choose if I believe and who I can communicate to. I go to the hill. I'm on it now. I see

“dad people. They give me new perspectives on both life and mortality. Life is fragile. The fact that I”

will be dad longer than alive makes me get up every morning. I want to talk about my life and prior lives. I want to explain that the present life is distinct from prior lives and future lives

soul that has many lives. This is my only life that I have been a medium and have autism.

“Beautiful. So this is question four. It's I've observed that some non-speakers appear to demonstrate”

a form of knowing that goes beyond typical intuition. In certain cases, they may be able to participate future events or outcomes of the notable consistency in a way that resembles predictive cognition or subant-like perception. From your perspective, how should this phenomenon be understood? So Ethan says, by seeing that people I can predict some future events. Every human on planet Earth has a spirit guide even if they don't believe it. They are the compass that leads

them to their placement in their ungricable timeline. They know what will happen to them if they make a wrong turn and sometimes they are helpless to stop them. I know if something is going to happen to others. Their guides are not shy. In fact, they are all the same. Blunt. Very direct and not

always the most articulate. But at the end of the day, the future is what we make of it. I want

people to know that they are not alone in making their futures a reality. The beautiful answer. As he ever talked about the spirit guides of all of you in the family, like has he named them or that he can see them and what does he say about them? Yes, he does. So what he's shared is that me and Ethan are more creative brain. So my name is Gene, who was a second-round Earth. She kind of helps me and Ethan and my name is Bert guide Ashley and her daily life. So it's

really cool to have that insight and it's cool to just, you know, in our average brains, we're like, hey, thanks for helping me out or thanks for guiding me. Yeah, and it really does, at least for me, it really changes like the idea of like ancestors and their role in our lives, you know? Yeah, totally. It's really nice to know that and to get that like validation. 100%. So does Ethan want to say

“anything? Like, while he does he want to communicate anything or having messages he wants to share?”

Yeah, I would love to share his last response, which is a little longer. We typed this out last night has a lot of good insight. And then, yes, we can totally go ask him if there's anything else. He wants to call it our peace-like pace and upstairs. I can tell he's excited. Yeah. So the last question is, "Hello, this question is for any of you non-speakers. I'm so happy that you guys

have found your voice. I've always been interested in psychic abilities and would like to know how

one can access such abilities. What is the process?" So Ethan says, "Sychic abilities come when we are ready for them." Most people have intuition and dreams start there. I don't believe dreams are just our brains firing. What a silly dumb-down way of accepting science over spirit. Both exist together. Dreams are where to start. Meditating regularly helps tremendously open your abilities. Start accepting magic before demanding spiritual gifts. Our minds are radio stations

that are tuned to what we choose. Normal people have too many distractions to fully connect. Meditation calms our bodies so we can hear what flows through us. Abilities are grown by building trust with the universe. A city of new faces exists beyond our minds barriers. Barriers of reason will creep in and say, "It's fake." I assure you, it's real. My encounter with spirit was scary. My uncle Arnold died at a saw him in my room. I hid under covers. He told me

many stories about fishing with my dad. He got me through many frustrating moments in childhood. I grew up talking to him in heaven while I couldn't talk to my family on earth. My friends dad died tragically when I was eight. He was very spiritually inclined on earth and taught me to

embrace my spiritual gifts. My family is always around guiding my siblings. Nice great-grandmothers

take care of me. Now I'm open to everyone past and alive. I hear Maddie like an angel on earth. She's open. Magic is a part of our world. God doesn't care if you believe or not. He's there. Your past loved ones are too. My gift on earth is powerful. It is hard to live in my body.

“My mind is where I stay. My life is metaphysical communication. Not a choice for me. My purpose.”

My goal is to help others with my gift. I hope I can bring peace to those who need it. My spirits do that for me. My gift is not unique. Others have access to this. I love you listeners. Thanks for supporting my community. I love you. I love this opportunity to be heard. You love that so much. What a great answer. Yeah. It's beautiful and it's I love how it kind of encompassed a lot of what we talked about already. At this point, the Statter family

carried the laptop upstairs to Ethan, who mentioned earlier, he wanted to spell for this part of the interview. Hi Ethan. I just want to see if you want to say anything else. I love everything you've written. It's so beautiful. Ethan was laser-focused. Spelling on his bed about the opportunity to speak to all of you listeners for this interview. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. I love this part of my life. Great job. Love resoportunity. The might have been hard to understand.

Right. Love this opportunity. I'm so glad you could participate. And boy, Ethan, you have some

insights that are just profound. And I think you're going to help a lot of people before we ended. Ethan spelled out one final message. And here's Mattel in reading it. He said, I'm happy. Beyond

“happy. Just feeling grateful. Know this part of my life is great. Love this opportunity.”

My life, not by accident. My life meant to share my gifts. Love my community on the hill.

Mom, best mom, ever. I'm lucky. Makes me happy to hear my family recall my stories. People need help. This life is not just making money. How precious or souls are to be trusted on earth.

“No God is proud of you, Kai. Please keep going. No big success is still pending. Just the start.”

Please keep fighting for my community. Of course. Thank you, Ethan. Those are also beautiful messages. And it means so much to hear. So thank you for sharing that really. This Friday and exclusive episode will be released on our subscriber only backstage pass. Here's a clip from that episode. She's just looking at me the whole time with her mouth hanging open. And she said, everything you said is accurate and exact. Those are all places that we visited. Those are all things

“that we've said to each other and experiences that we've had. She said the only thing is he is not”

dead. He's a couple doors down. You know, at home, he has dementia. And I did not know what to do. If you'd like to hear more, subscribe to become an exclusive member at the link in the episode's description. That's it for this episode of the talk tracks. But new episodes will be released every Wednesday. So stay tuned. As we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together are reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true

skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators, producers, Katherine Ellis,

and Selena Kennedy, technical directing audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole, opening and closing music by Elizabeth P.W. and original logo and cover art by Ben Condor Design. I'm Kai Dickens, your executive producer, writer and host.